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What kind of technology?That's the best you could come up with?We went to the moon...6 times.....45 years ago...that wasn't cheap or easy either. Don't tell me we can't secure our border in the 21st century.
Quit looking for excuses.
There is nothing good that comes from having an open border. Nothing...Not one thing.
The moon?
Maybe we can chant.....One small step......every time we stop an illegal crossing
you can chant, sing or bark at the moon....but you can't tell me the u.s. doesn't have the technology to secure our border in the 21st century..
Close and enforce the border.
Deport all illegals.
Motion and vibration censors? Blimps and drones? cameras? Infra red cameras? Dogs?
We are already using them
We may be using them, but not to stop illegals from entering.
Want to stop them?
Offer temporary work visas like we used to
Put employers in jail for using illegals
No fence required
Not straw-men, but legitimate, speculative 'what-if' scenarios, for consideration - with B following A... in other words: Applied Logic....I was with you on some of that until you started making up things..."if this, then that" and creating strawmen to knock down....
As you like....but when you stooped to name calling and condescension I stopped reading...
But I suggest you go back and re-read some of your earlier invective and accusations - not name-calling, but highly insulting, in their own right.
I was not the one to open fire - I merely returned fire, once you're fired the first shot or two.
But that aspect of your earlier interaction has probably escaped your notice, in your rush to try to ram-through your point, regardless of its merits, when subjected to a closer and more skeptical scrutiny.
Oh, indeed, we CAN....Yes we can seize the assets of nations who have illegals here to pay for sending them back. Despite all the end of the world scenarios you invented...
But, as the old saying goes...
"Just because we CAN do a thing, does not mean that we SHOULD do a thing."
...Close and enforce the border...
Agreed.
...Deport all illegals.
Agreed.
But make 'em WANT to go home, and leave on their own, and fairly quickly, at their own expense, without us sinking the national debt into the process.
Making them WANT to go home will also set the stage so that potential FUTURE waves of Invaders will decide that they're better off staying at home.
If they don't WANT to come here, we'll need to spend far less money, and throw far fewer warm bodies at border enforcement.
Efficient. Cost-effective. Logical.
What kind of technology?That's the best you could come up with?
The moon?
Maybe we can chant.....One small step......every time we stop an illegal crossing
you can chant, sing or bark at the moon....but you can't tell me the u.s. doesn't have the technology to secure our border in the 21st century..
Close and enforce the border.
Deport all illegals.
Motion and vibration censors? Blimps and drones? cameras? Infra red cameras? Dogs?
We are already using them
We may be using them, but not to stop illegals from entering.
Want to stop them?
Offer temporary work visas like we used to
Put employers in jail for using illegals
No fence required
We don't need any more unemployed "workers" in america at this point.
..and we don't need any more gvmt "rules" to put people in jail..you statists think more rules and laws are the answer to everything.
We have enough laws in place that are not being enforced.
Close and enforce the border.
Deport all illegals.
Problem solved.
A fence might very well be required.BS a fence is requiredWhat kind of technology?That's the best you could come up with?
The moon?
Maybe we can chant.....One small step......every time we stop an illegal crossing
you can chant, sing or bark at the moon....but you can't tell me the u.s. doesn't have the technology to secure our border in the 21st century..
Close and enforce the border.
Deport all illegals.
Motion and vibration censors? Blimps and drones? cameras? Infra red cameras? Dogs?
We are already using them
We may be using them, but not to stop illegals from entering.
Want to stop them?
Offer temporary work visas like we used to
Put employers in jail for using illegals
No fence required
No...but there are many countries where you would NOT try to sneak across their border because getting caught will be "uncomfortable"... You're just looking for excuses.What kind of technology?you can chant, sing or bark at the moon....but you can't tell me the u.s. doesn't have the technology to secure our border in the 21st century..
Close and enforce the border.
Deport all illegals.
Motion and vibration censors? Blimps and drones? cameras? Infra red cameras? Dogs?
We are already using them
We may be using them, but not to stop illegals from entering.
Want to stop them?
Offer temporary work visas like we used to
Put employers in jail for using illegals
No fence required
We don't need any more unemployed "workers" in america at this point.
..and we don't need any more gvmt "rules" to put people in jail..you statists think more rules and laws are the answer to everything.
We have enough laws in place that are not being enforced.
Close and enforce the border.
Deport all illegals.
Problem solved.
No wall in history has ever been impenetrable
more excuses not to close the border.No jobs, no reason for coming over
Jail the guy making money off of illegals and the jobs dry up
A fence might very well be required.BS a fence is requiredWhat kind of technology?you can chant, sing or bark at the moon....but you can't tell me the u.s. doesn't have the technology to secure our border in the 21st century..
Close and enforce the border.
Deport all illegals.
Motion and vibration censors? Blimps and drones? cameras? Infra red cameras? Dogs?
We are already using them
We may be using them, but not to stop illegals from entering.
Want to stop them?
Offer temporary work visas like we used to
Put employers in jail for using illegals
No fence required
But let's make sure that we flush-out the Wave of Invaders ( 12,000,000 !!! )that are already here, first, OK?
But let's make sure that potential FUTURE Waves of Invaders would rather stay home than come here, OK?
Afterwards - once we've proven to ourselves that we've recovered our balls and will enforce our own laws - THEN, let's revisit the fence idea, OK?
If the border is still problematic at that point, then, sure, let's go balls-out, and build the frigging wall.
If the border is NOT still problematic at that point, and if you, too, agree, at that juncture, then, maybe we can save ourselves the trouble, and the money.
A holistic solution that will ultimately accomplish everything that all of us - who oppose Illegal Aliens, anyway - could possibly ask for - one way or another.
A fence is required, and deporting all illegals is culturally and financially impossible. If our GOP tries to deport everybody or even support it, the Dems will get override majorities in the next election. Let's not throw away what we have won.
A fence is required, and deporting all illegals is culturally and financially impossible. .
No, Rota, it is not financially feasibly, and patriotic America will not support it.
Why should we follow YOUR advice and (1) spend untold billions upon the next Great Wall and (2) seize foreign assets and alienate half the world, unless we really have to; unless we've tried other common-sense (and far less expensive) solutions, and given those their chance to succeed, before 'getting radical'?...Why should we "wait" until some mystical day in the distant future?...
The Great Wall does nothing to address the issue of the 12,000,000 Illegal Aliens already in our midst....do it now and the problem is solved...
They will not know that we are serious until we make it impossible for them to stay here and to earn a living and to send money home....Once people learn we're serious and there are repercussions for breaking our laws, they will chill...
Each and every one of the examples you give has hostile, militant neighbors - armed to the teeth, and ready to kill them on the slightest provocation.... try to sneak into israel across one of their borders... try russia...china....north OR south korea...they secure and defend their borders.etc..etc...
Not because they have patriotic leaders....because they have patriotic leaders.
Why should we follow YOUR advice and (1) spend untold billions upon the next Great Wall and (2) seize foreign assets and alienate half the world, unless we really have to; unless we've tried other common-sense (and far less expensive) solutions, and given those their chance to succeed, before 'getting radical'?...Why should we "wait" until some mystical day in the distant future?...
The Great Wall does nothing to address the issue of the 12,000,000 Illegal Aliens already in our midst....do it now and the problem is solved...
If we do not make US soil (legally) toxic to Illegal Aliens before we build the Great Wall, people will find ways over and under and through it, regardless - get it?
They will not know that we are serious until we make it impossible for them to stay here and to earn a living and to send money home....Once people learn we're serious and there are repercussions for breaking our laws, they will chill...
Each and every one of the examples you give has hostile, militant neighbors - armed to the teeth, and ready to kill them on the slightest provocation.... try to sneak into israel across one of their borders... try russia...china....north OR south korea...they secure and defend their borders.etc..etc...
I do not believe that relations have soured to that extreme extent with either Mexico nor Canada - unless I missed the memo.
Not because they have patriotic leaders....because they have patriotic leaders.
But because they have one or more mortal threat vectors staring at them across such borders.
Want to deport the 12,000,000?
Fine.
Me too.
But my way (making it impossible for Illegal Aliens to obtain employment, housing, transportation, education or medical or social services, etc.) will cost a tiny fraction of what we would spend if we did it your way.
Nobody is saying that the borders should not be secured.
Hell, in the long run, nobody is saying that the building of the next Great Wall might not ultimately prove necessary after all.
But we need to try the easier, common-sense stuff first, before we charge off on an orgy of spending such as you propose.
The People are best served by cool-headed pragmatists rather than hot-headed ideologues.
Depends on your perspective. If you are a democrat looking to destroy this country under the weight of welfare costs. This open border thing is perfect. That said the fence is a dumb ass idea.We have better uses for our moneySounds like hypocrisy to me
hypocrisy?
Why doesn't obama close the border?
Now you allege that it's too expensive to close and enforce the border? LMAO..ok...prove it.
you'll just say anything...
A 3000 mile impenetrable barrier?
You think that comes cheap? We haven't been able to do it yet
We went to the moon...6 times.....45 years ago...that wasn't cheap or easy either. Don't tell me we can't secure our border in the 21st century.
Quit looking for excuses.
There is nothing good that comes from having an open border. Nothing...Not one thing.
blah blah blah blah .... 1. can't be done, it's a dumb ass statement made by people with the mind of a child. 2. Not gonna happen by democrats or republicans, and is ridiculous, kill a man for hiring a father with children? Kill a man for hiring a single mother to flip burgers? WTF is wrong with you? 3. ignorance reform.I am a Republican, and you, like Yurt, say you are not far right trash, but like Yurt, yeah, you are.He's a democrat... only republicans are expected to enforce laws. Democrats are the ones breaking them.Once again this President is NOT enforcing the laws. ANYONE that hires an illegal should be fined and if they do it a second time jailed. Dry up the jobs and no more illegals.never going to happen as mass deportation
nothing fore than a far right wet dream that felt great but then they had to make up the bed
1. Seal the border
2. Punish the businesses with "death" penalties for hiring illegals knowingly
3. Immigration reform
LYING POSYou think he would not give Congress a sealed border and business punishment if they gave him immigration reform.
Of course he would.
And the Hispanic population would look very favorably on a Republican congress that sent such a bill to him.
The minority voters and many of the women voters will blame our GOP for obstructionism, if the President goes EO and explains its our fault.
He already gave amnesty to millions of children, then when they turned 18 he let them vote even though they were not citizens.Show where he said amnestyThe current President has already stated he wants amnesty and that he will accept nothing else. Wanna try again?All three of those can be done by Congress and signed by the President.
Alright? If Congress refuses to act, yet we have a problem the president can address, then common sense propels the action of resolving said problem.
