Yup! He's Still Going Foward with Amnesty

[Rotagilla]

If conservatives wanted the border closed, why didn't they do it in the eight years they had Bush as President? Why has there been less illegal immigration under Obama than under Bush?

bush?...seriously? just stop son...You've used that excuse up.

obama is the president now.
Why doesn't he close and enforce the border?

It demonstrates the lack of credibility of conservatives. Eight years to seal the border and they did jack shit
Yet they whine....Obama won't seal the border

The idiot Republican failure to seal the border is no excuse for the idiot Democratic failure to seal the border...

Ditto for creating conditions sufficiently onerous to cause Illegal Aliens to head back home on their own, at their own expense.

Sounds like hypocrisy to me

hypocrisy?
Why doesn't obama close the border?

 

[Rotagilla]

How is the border "open?"

people bypassing immigration and crossing into our country illegally = open border.

Why is the border open....THAT'S the question.

Why?

Because we have better things to spend our money on

like what?

Healthcare, infrastructure, education, social programs

So if we close and enforce the border it will somehow limit our "healthcare infrastructure education and social programs"?

Why doesn't obama close the border?

 

[rightwinger]

If conservatives wanted the border closed, why didn't they do it in the eight years they had Bush as President? Why has there been less illegal immigration under Obama than under Bush?

bush?...seriously? just stop son...You've used that excuse up.

obama is the president now.
Why doesn't he close and enforce the border?

It demonstrates the lack of credibility of conservatives. Eight years to seal the border and they did jack shit
Yet they whine....Obama won't seal the border

The idiot Republican failure to seal the border is no excuse for the idiot Democratic failure to seal the border...

Ditto for creating conditions sufficiently onerous to cause Illegal Aliens to head back home on their own, at their own expense.

Sounds like hypocrisy to me

hypocrisy?
Why doesn't obama close the border?

We have better uses for our money

Republicans will waste money on false security but not spend a penny on the people

 

[Rotagilla]

bush?...seriously? just stop son...You've used that excuse up.

obama is the president now.
Why doesn't he close and enforce the border?

It demonstrates the lack of credibility of conservatives. Eight years to seal the border and they did jack shit
Yet they whine....Obama won't seal the border

The idiot Republican failure to seal the border is no excuse for the idiot Democratic failure to seal the border...

Ditto for creating conditions sufficiently onerous to cause Illegal Aliens to head back home on their own, at their own expense.

Sounds like hypocrisy to me

hypocrisy?
Why doesn't obama close the border?

We have better uses for our money

Now you allege that it's too expensive to close and enforce the border? LMAO..ok...prove it.

you'll just say anything...

 

[RetiredGySgt]

No mass deportation will ever happen, period. Very, very Americans would support suggest a tactic.

Talking about the impossible will just make you unhappy.

Mass deportation is right around the corner. Amnesty died last tuesday.

How bout we do this?

Obama does what he wants within the powers of the executive branch. If Congress doesn't like it, they can pass their own bill. They have been working on it for two years.

The executive branch has ZERO authority over immigration that is a power of the legislative branch as established by the Constitution.

 

[Kondor3]

...Republicans will waste money on false security but not spend a penny on the people

We need laws that make it illegal to give a job to an Illegal Alien.

We need laws that make it illegal to provide (sell, or rent) housing to an Illegal Alien.

We need laws that make it illegal to provide publicly-funded educational services to an Illegal Alien.

We need laws that make it illegal to provide medical services (except for emergency life-saving and stabilizing) medical services to an Illegal Alien.

We need laws that make it illegal to rent or sell a vehicle to an Illegal Alien.

We need laws that make it illegal to provide banking or financial or foreign-centric money wire transfer services to an Illegal Alien.

We need a revised SCOTUS interpretation of the 14th Amendment to halt the granting of automatic citizenship to Anchor Babies born after such-and-so a date.

We need laws to ensure that citizens cannot obtain these things on behalf of an Illegal Alien.

We need laws that overturn and criminalize the status of Sanctuary City or Sanctuary State or the like.

Etc... etc... etc...a catch-all bucket, for whatever else seems appropriate in this vein, that I've omitted here in this quickie-snapshot.

We need teeth in these laws, so that when either Illegal Aliens or our own citizens violate these laws, the punishment hurts like hell - metaphorically, anyway.

Give the Illegals six or twelve months' advance notice, before it all goes into effect.

It's a good bet that 90-95% of them will have run for the border and returned to their countries of origin, before Effective Day arrives.

The rest, we deal with as usual, on a much smaller scale than we would have been obliged to undertake, without such a precursor step - a far more manageable number.

And then we give it two or three years after Effective Day.

If we still have a large-scale Illegal Alien problem at the end of Year 2 or Year 3, then we can budget to build The Wall on the southern border with Mexico.

But let's set our own house in order first, and be sure that we've got the 'stones' to enforce our own sovereignty and our own laws, before we build the next Great Wall - yes?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If conservatives wanted the border closed, why didn't they do it in the eight years they had Bush as President? Why has there been less illegal immigration under Obama than under Bush?

bush?...seriously? just stop son...You've used that excuse up.

obama is the president now.
Why doesn't he close and enforce the border?

It demonstrates the lack of credibility of conservatives. Eight years to seal the border and they did jack shit
Yet they whine....Obama won't seal the border

4 of those 8 years the democrats controlled one or both houses of Congress and the other 4 the republicans only had 51 Senators, as I recall you on the left claimed without 60 senators one did not actually control the Senate.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Buncha nonsense.

The immigrants will not be mass deported.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Buncha nonsense.

The immigrants will not be mass deported.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Buncha nonsense.

The immigrants will not be mass deported.

 

[AmericanFirst]

In his post-election press conference, Obama has stated (somewhere in about a thousand words) that he IS going to enact an executive order to give amnesty to illegal aliens (what he calls "comprehensive immigration reform"). When asked if he thought this would endanger relations with the new Republican Congress, he just brushed it off with some barely intelligible double talk.

He blamed the holding up of CIR on the House, as if CIR was a good thing, and it was all the House's fault for not passing it. Don't expect him to say that a mass deportation program is what would be the good thing, and it is the Democrat Senate that has stood in the way of that. He also FALSELY said that most Americans want to legalize illegal aliens. A statement that is 100% FALSE, with 2/3 of American OPPOSING amnesty.

Obama also uttered FALSE information on the economics of amnesty, claiming that it would get illegal aliens (of course he didn't call them that) to pay their taxes. No mention of course about the reduction of taxes paid because of the lower incomes that these migrant are willing to work for. No mention of the staggering $123 Billion/year America's economy is losing, to the remittances that immigrants routinely wire out of the country. No mention of the Bilions$$$ being lost to welfare payments to illegals' families, through the anchor baby racket and false documentation.

When it comes to immigration, Obama and the Democrats speak one language (BS), and the American people (the 2014 election showed) speaks another (the truth).

Obama said he wants the Republicans to tell him what they want. Here's your answer, Mr. President >> MASS DEPORTATION PROGRAM: OPERATION WETBACK II.

Obama also stated that he thought his CIR idea is what's "best for the country." PURE, BALDFACED LIE. Obama is shrewd. Only an idiot could think amnesty for illegal aliens is good for America.

Some of those idiots are on this board. The chief idiot is in the WH.

 

[Rotagilla]

...Republicans will waste money on false security but not spend a penny on the people

We need laws that make it illegal to give a job to an Illegal Alien.

We need laws that make it illegal to provide (sell, or rent) housing to an Illegal Alien.

We need laws that make it illegal to provide publicly-funded educational services to an Illegal Alien.

We need laws that make it illegal to provide medical services (except for emergency life-saving and stabilizing) medical services to an Illegal Alien.

We need laws that make it illegal to rent or sell a vehicle to an Illegal Alien.

We need laws that make it illegal to provide banking or financial or foreign-centric money wire transfer services to an Illegal Alien.

We need a revised SCOTUS interpretation of the 14th Amendment to halt the granting of automatic citizenship to Anchor Babies born after such-and-so a date.

We need laws to ensure that citizens cannot obtain these things on behalf of an Illegal Alien.

We need laws that overturn and criminalize the status of Sanctuary City or Sanctuary State or the like.

Etc... etc... etc...a catch-all bucket, for whatever else seems appropriate in this vein, that I've omitted here in this quickie-snapshot.

We need teeth in these laws, so that when either Illegal Aliens or our own citizens violate these laws, the punishment hurts like hell - metaphorically, anyway.

Give the Illegals six or twelve months' advance notice, before it all goes into effect.

It's a good bet that 90-95% of them will have run for the border and returned to their countries of origin, before Effective Day arrives.

The rest, we deal with as usual, on a much smaller scale than we would have been obliged to undertake, without such a precursor step - a far more manageable number.

And then we give it two or three years after Effective Day.

If we still have a large-scale Illegal Alien problem at the end of Year 2 or Year 3, then we can budget to build The Wall on the southern border with Mexico.

But let's set our own house in order first, and be sure that we've got the 'stones' to enforce our own sovereignty and our own laws, before we build the next Great Wall - yes?

close and enforce the border. No more excuses..

 

[JakeStarkey]

one bill that closes the border and enforces the security, very punitive laws that give business who knowingly hire illegals the death penalty, and immigration reform.

 

[Rotagilla]

Buncha nonsense.

The immigrants will not be mass deported.

not "immigrants"..."illegals".

Close and enforce the border.
Deport all illegals.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Not going to happen. Ever. No mass deportations.

 

[Kondor3]

...close and enforce the border. No more excuses..

If our choices are...

1. spend $100 million to craft and enforce legislation designed to make US soil metaphorically toxic to Illegal Aliens, forcing them to leave, and not want to come back, or...

2. spend $20 billion, to build a wall...

Which is the more responsible approach to take, at least in the short-to-mid-term, in order to address the 12,000,000 invaders already resident upon United States soil?

 

[Rotagilla]

...close and enforce the border. No more excuses..

If our choices are...

1. spend $100 million to craft and enforce legislation designed to make US soil metaphorically toxic to Illegal Aliens, forcing them to leave, and not want to come back, or...

2. spend $20 billion, to build a wall...

Which is the more responsible approach to take, at least in the short-to-mid-term, in order to address the 12,000,000 invaders already resident upon United States soil?

Oh..just making up random numbers?..nice tactic...

Close and enforce the border. Cheap and effective.

Deport all illegals.Seize assets from the nations that have illegals here and apply them to the cost of deportation. Cheap and effective.

Problem solved.

 

[JakeStarkey]

never going to happen as mass deportation

nothing fore than a far right wet dream that felt great but then they had to make up the bed

 

[RetiredGySgt]

never going to happen as mass deportation

nothing fore than a far right wet dream that felt great but then they had to make up the bed

Once again this President is NOT enforcing the laws. ANYONE that hires an illegal should be fined and if they do it a second time jailed. Dry up the jobs and no more illegals.

 

[RKMBrown]

never going to happen as mass deportation

nothing fore than a far right wet dream that felt great but then they had to make up the bed

Once again this President is NOT enforcing the laws. ANYONE that hires an illegal should be fined and if they do it a second time jailed. Dry up the jobs and no more illegals.

He's a democrat... only republicans are expected to enforce laws. Democrats are the ones breaking them.

 

[Rotagilla]

never going to happen as mass deportation

nothing fore than a far right wet dream that felt great but then they had to make up the bed

let the american people vote on whether or not we want a closed border and illegals deported...

 

[rightwinger]

It demonstrates the lack of credibility of conservatives. Eight years to seal the border and they did jack shit
Yet they whine....Obama won't seal the border

The idiot Republican failure to seal the border is no excuse for the idiot Democratic failure to seal the border...

Ditto for creating conditions sufficiently onerous to cause Illegal Aliens to head back home on their own, at their own expense.

Sounds like hypocrisy to me

hypocrisy?
Why doesn't obama close the border?

We have better uses for our money

Now you allege that it's too expensive to close and enforce the border? LMAO..ok...prove it.

you'll just say anything...

A 3000 mile impenetrable barrier?

You think that comes cheap? We haven't been able to do it yet

 

[Kondor3]

...close and enforce the border. No more excuses..

If our choices are...

1. spend $100 million to craft and enforce legislation designed to make US soil metaphorically toxic to Illegal Aliens, forcing them to leave, and not want to come back, or...

2. spend $20 billion, to build a wall...

Which is the more responsible approach to take, at least in the short-to-mid-term, in order to address the 12,000,000 invaders already resident upon United States soil?

Oh..just making up random numbers?..nice tactic...

Oh, come on, of COURSE those are random numbers, but they were intended to demonstrate the likely actual proportion between solutions, in order to drive home a valid point.

...Close and enforce the border. Cheap and effective...

How does this help us to rid the country of the 12,000,000 Illegal Aliens already present upon United States soil, without our express prior consent?

...Deport all illegals...

Agreed.

But make them SELF-deport.

Make conditions here sufficiently onerous for them that they'll pack up and head home on their own, without us having to invest the national debt in deportation operations.

....Seize assets from the nations that have illegals here and apply them to the cost of deportation. Cheap and effective...

And, do you happen to have handy, (1) the estimated cost of deporting 12,000,000 Illegal Aliens, and (2) the estimated value of the assets that you propose to seize, and (3) an understanding as to whether or not that will be enough to pay the bill, and (4) an understanding of what that will do to our foreign relations, for decades to come?

...Problem solved.

Your solution causes more problems than it solves... it's a non-starter.

 

[Rotagilla]

The idiot Republican failure to seal the border is no excuse for the idiot Democratic failure to seal the border...

Ditto for creating conditions sufficiently onerous to cause Illegal Aliens to head back home on their own, at their own expense.

Sounds like hypocrisy to me

hypocrisy?
Why doesn't obama close the border?

We have better uses for our money

Now you allege that it's too expensive to close and enforce the border? LMAO..ok...prove it.

you'll just say anything...

A 3000 mile impenetrable barrier?

You think that comes cheap? We haven't been able to do it yet

We went to the moon...6 times.....45 years ago...that wasn't cheap or easy either. Don't tell me we can't secure our border in the 21st century.
Quit looking for excuses.

There is nothing good that comes from having an open border. Nothing...Not one thing.