Oscar Wao
Victory is Mine
GOP "centreing" itself means whatever very few differences there are right now between the GOP and the DNC will be vanished.
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The GOP was never the "conservative movement". There was a separate conservative party and a conservative wing of the GOP. But mistaking right wing religious activists and "neo-cons" for "conservatives" is a huge part of the reason that the GOP is having problems.
And the more wingnuts usurp the party, the more problems the GOP will have.
It's not dead... everything is cyclical. But as long as the wingnuts think it's better politically to be the party of no, and offer nothing, no one benefits.
What happened to the smart repubs?
If the GOP gets shut out again in '10, you guys are in huuuuuuuuuuuge trouble.
If the GOP gets shut out again in '10, you guys are in huuuuuuuuuuuge trouble.
Don't you have some customers to whine about, slacker??
Don't you have some customers to whine about, slacker??
Same thing as what happened to the smart Dems, Jill.
They got lost in a sea of stupid ones as the ___.N.C. leaderships pandered to the prejudices and confused thinking of the stupid in order to get their attention and their votes.
The winner of this process is the INDEPENDENTS but they are not organized, neither do these independents all agree on what needs be done.
Hence we have the case where the tail wags the dog because the dog doesn't have a single mind to stop it from happening.
I agree in part, but not in full. No question that there is a left wing of the dem party which isn't much brighter than the right wing of the repubs. I don't have a lot of use for them either. But the problems in the GOP go far deeper. There is a massive objection on the right to anyone who wants to work with the "other side" -- the whole RINO thing. I saw Lindsey Graham's frustration with it after the Sotomayor hearings. The fake and dangerous "populism"... the whole concept that anyone who disagrees with the radical right is "unamerican". You're smart, I don't need to explain it to you. You see it here every day.
Expand beyond their conservative base?!?!?!?!???....You can't be serious.The GOP is a venerable institution and it is highly unlikely they will go away.
However, unless they are willing to expand beyond their conservative base - and they seem to be going the other way - they will be a minority party for quite some time, which is a bad thing IMHO. It is important that there are two robust parties so that one party does not control everything.
The last election, the GOP nominated exactly the kind of squishy, appeasing, woibbly-kneed "moderate" all the supposed conventional wisdom claims that they need to run in order to win, and he got his ass kicked.
Question:
Are there more conservative Republicans in the Senate or "Blue Dog" Democrats?
Those labels don't really mean a god damned thing.
Seriously, they don't.
When we're talking about the future viability of the Republican Party they do.
If the Democrats continue to grow their numbers of moderates, conservatives even, the GOP faces losses from both sides of their political spectrum. The growing population groups could continue to find a home in the Democratic Party while the GOP continues to pander to a shrinking white Southern base...
Those labels don't really mean a god damned thing.
Seriously, they don't.
When we're talking about the future viability of the Republican Party they do.
If the Democrats continue to grow their numbers of moderates, conservatives even, the GOP faces losses from both sides of their political spectrum. The growing population groups could continue to find a home in the Democratic Party while the GOP continues to pander to a shrinking white Southern base...
That might be true if it were happening, Washington Post poll though gives lie to the premise.
History speaks otherwise.Those labels don't really mean a god damned thing.
Seriously, they don't.
When we're talking about the future viability of the Republican Party they do.
If the Democrats continue to grow their numbers of moderates, conservatives even, the GOP faces losses from both sides of their political spectrum. The growing population groups could continue to find a home in the Democratic Party while the GOP continues to pander to a shrinking white Southern base...
The problem is neither party likes outright defectors. It's the way they will vote on important bills that defines them as being realists or panderers. This is an interesting forecast, albeit an early one. It has a map link and evaluation of what will become high profile battles in 2010 for certain house seats.
CQ Politics | 2010 House Outlook: Democrats Look Secure
Expand beyond their conservative base?!?!?!?!???....You can't be serious.The GOP is a venerable institution and it is highly unlikely they will go away.
However, unless they are willing to expand beyond their conservative base - and they seem to be going the other way - they will be a minority party for quite some time, which is a bad thing IMHO. It is important that there are two robust parties so that one party does not control everything.
The last election, the GOP nominated exactly the kind of squishy, appeasing, woibbly-kneed "moderate" all the supposed conventional wisdom claims that they need to run in order to win, and he got his ass kicked.
The GOP was never the "conservative movement". There was a separate conservative party and a conservative wing of the GOP. But mistaking right wing religious activists and "neo-cons" for "conservatives" is a huge part of the reason that the GOP is having problems.
And the more wingnuts usurp the party, the more problems the GOP will have.
It's not dead... everything is cyclical. But as long as the wingnuts think it's better politically to be the party of no, and offer nothing, no one benefits.
What happened to the smart repubs?
Be honest! The reason the GOP is having problems is:
(1) The economic meltdown and credit crisis happened right before the election.
(2) 8 yrs of GWB
(3) No WMDs found in Iraq and an expensive and unpopular war of choice over there!
(4) Did I mention the Village Idiot in charge of the US the previous 8 years!
Obama won, but nothing like how Reagan won! Surprisingly you can take a look and see similarities of the Republicans taking over in the 80s:
(1) Economic meltdown mared by Carter's stupid economics
(2) Carter's Presidency
(3) The hostages still in Iran
(4) Did I mention the Original Village Idiot as Commander and Chief
Trust me if the economy doesn't pick up during Obama's second term, the tide will shift back to the Republicans.
Yes, he did. McCain won all the "typical" red states. Obama conquered a few of the "typicals," the battlegrounds, and the "usual" Dem states.Expand beyond their conservative base?!?!?!?!???....You can't be serious.The GOP is a venerable institution and it is highly unlikely they will go away.
However, unless they are willing to expand beyond their conservative base - and they seem to be going the other way - they will be a minority party for quite some time, which is a bad thing IMHO. It is important that there are two robust parties so that one party does not control everything.
The last election, the GOP nominated exactly the kind of squishy, appeasing, woibbly-kneed "moderate" all the supposed conventional wisdom claims that they need to run in order to win, and he got his ass kicked.
No he didn't. In spite of the huge black turnout, and in spite of the demand for a 180 from the Booooooooosh years, McCain/Palin still didn't lose by a landslide like they should have.