.02% chance of death.... thats what we are destroying our nation over

[Cecilie1200]

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

Congrats, you have passed 4th grade math!

The point is, that this isn’t over. It’s actually a long way from being over. We aren’t shutting down the country because of the people that HAVE died. We are doing it to protect the people that WILL die. We are fighting to prevent 0.02% from becoming 0.1% or 1%.

No, we are not. The policy is wrong and will cost more lives than if no policy had been put in place.

That doesn’t seem likely. Did you see what happened in New York? Do you want that everywhere?

Most of New York dead are elderly. Why is that? Can you answer honestly?

Because trump DIDN"T answer the call to help stop the virus fast enough More died because of the AH's worry about the election and the most susceptible led the way Now do you understand gramps ?

He followed the advice of the "scientists" that turds like you told him to listen to.

4 weeks too late?? After the only 15 didn't come to light? THE POS FAILED in our time of need started way too slow We needed a man in our WH not some weak kneed punk looking for glory for himself

truth hurts huh?

Did you just respond to yourself?

 

[CWayne]

Holy shit. I make one truthful post and come back into 112 notifications?

 

[bripat9643]

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

Congrats, you have passed 4th grade math!

The point is, that this isn’t over. It’s actually a long way from being over. We aren’t shutting down the country because of the people that HAVE died. We are doing it to protect the people that WILL die. We are fighting to prevent 0.02% from becoming 0.1% or 1%.

No, we are not. The policy is wrong and will cost more lives than if no policy had been put in place.

That doesn’t seem likely. Did you see what happened in New York? Do you want that everywhere?

NY was an anomaly. Again odds of you dying if you’re under 59 are very slim.

NY was what happens when the virus takes hold before mitigation.

No. NYC happens when you infect nursing homes at a rapid rate. They are an outlier. Didn’t happen anywhere else in the country. And still 98% of those who died are those who either old and or very unhealthy. We can protect them and open the country. They were wrong in terms of how many hospital beds and ventilators they would need. Need to follow Sweden’s model.

Sweden’s Coronavirus Strategy Will Soon Be the World’s

Herd immunity is the only realistic option—the question is how to get there safely.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Nursing homes are everywhere dude. Unhealthy people are everywhere. Old people are everywhere.

The more you open up the country, the harder it is to protect them. Old, unhealthy, nursing home patients cannot exist in isolation. They are almost by definition reliant on others for activities of daily life.

And they can remain on lockdown. The rest of us should be able to go out and give the economy a boost. Set up testing at nursing homes to test those going in (workers). Vaccines are not 100% effective. When would you reopen?

Id reopen when we can identify, trace and isolate cases, like you do with any outbreak.

It’ll happen. It won’t be that long.

How long. Guesstimate.

Different place to place. Depends on how competent your state is.

I’m not a big fan of the “Jesus take the wheel” approach.

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

We are all going to get infected sooner or later

and those with underlying medical conditions will die from it

but everyone else will survive just as humans always have

I don't believe that's true. Not everyone gets the flu every year.

True

some of us may postpone the inevitable for two years

But sooner or later...

There's nothing inevitable about it.

I suppose total isolation in space might keep the chinese disease at bay

but here on earth only one person out of a million can live in total isolation

It doesn't require total isolation. It requires contact tracing and testing. Find out who has it, isolate them, find out who they possibly gave it to, test them, isolate those that turn out to be infect, etc. etc. etc. Find the disease, track it, end it.

Or spread it and allow for herd immunity.

Lets say there are 100 of us and 25 are old or at risk. We protect the 25 but we 75 go out. We all get it and then the virus has nowhere to go and dies out and then we release the remaining 25.

The very fact that 75 out of 100 has it means the 25 aren’t protected.

That’s how it always works. Healthy protect the vulnerable.

Here that’s what I thought we were doing by social distancing. The healthy are sacrificing to protect the vulnerable. Yet, what I’m hearing is that the healthy should not be “punished” and shouldn’t have to protect the vulnerable, who are only a very small percentage.

we protect them better by garnering herd immunity. This was supposed to flatten the curve not lockdown til there is a cure. By garnering herd immunity we protect the vulnerable. By doing what we are doing now we prolong the pain for everyone. ECONOMIC Pain is real. It’s lives vs lives not $$$ vs lives

There never was a curve to flatten. Even in the hardest hit New York where the deaths were deliberate the hospitals were never really overwhelmed.

Never overwhelmed? That's nonsense. They were totally overwhelmed. They were flying in doctors/nurses from all over the country. They had built hundreds of ICU beds into makeshift units in OR suites. It was nuts.

just because they brought in extra resources doesnt mean they were overwhelmed,,,only a few of the hospitals were overwhelmed while others barely saw an increase
if you look into it you will find that most of those resources werent used and later dismantled and went back from where they came,,,

Sorry dude, but I know people who were in the thick of it. It was a disaster.

I call bullshit!

Good for you.

They say it was a disaster but it was not. I want More statistical data such as how close to death were those who ultimately died from this. Such as those in nursing homes who had months or weeks to live anyway. Average age there is 85 and average life span is 80 in the US.

This statement suggests their lives aren’t as valuable.

They aren’t. They have lived 2x my lifespan. I’d gladly give up my life for my kids for example. Doesn’t mean I want to kill people but I want to make it as palatable as possible for everyone. Deaths are part of life. We have a car accident every 30 minutes in the US but we don’t stop driving.

When someone is killed in a car accident, guilt is assessed, charges are laid, and the guilty party has to pay the injured party for their damages.

Trump is trying to make it so that if your employer doesn't take steps to protect you from the virus, you're not allowed to sue them for making you sick. And if you get sick, they cans till fire you, and you lose your health insurance.

What protections do the WORKERS have to keep them safe?

that would mean something if the are forced to work,,,and in this country nobody is forced to work,,,

and how do you prove they got infected at work???
you cant,,,

Yeah, you can. Easily. Because you can do a DNA analysis of the virus and all you need is for one other coworker to have the virus with the same DNA, and Bob's your uncle.

Many states are telling workers that if their employer calls them back to work, their unemployment benefits will be cut off if they refuse. Donald Trump signed an EO ordering meat processing plants to stay open. Trump is prepared to sacrifice low wage workers to the economy.

The reason why the rate of death is so high in America is because so many people lack health insurance and can't afford to treat "underlying conditions", so they fester. The only country in the first world with a declining life expectancy. Monsanto frankenfood, over-processed, low nutrient, high fat junk food. Lack of fresh food in poor neighbourhoods. The cheapest food in the world, and like all cheap goods, you get what you pay for.

"Essential workers" are rapidly turning into "expendable workers". After all they're old/sick/fat/poor and they're likely not even white.

my god you really are a fucking idiot,,,

Coming from a Trump voter, it's almost a compliment. You think Trump isn't a fucking idiot.

You continue to believed that 87,000 dead Americans, and more than a million sick, with a minimum of 40,000 more deaths expected, to be proof positive that Trump is doing a "great job" containing the pandemic.



Less than one month ago, Trump said that 17,000 deaths from H1N1 in one year a "disaster". Well WTF is 87,000 deaths in less than three months. It was "unnecessary" and due to "incompetence" in 2009 when the deaths were less than 1/5th of what Trump has overseen.

The USA didn't lead the world in cases or in death with H1N1.

So if the idiots who support Donald Trump think I'm a "fucking idiot", while still supporting the guy who has killed 87,000 Americans so far, I'm clearly a WHOLE lot smarter than you are.

You fat witch. Average age of those dead is 82. Blame China not Trump who shut travel down on the 24th of January from there. You’re so smart you post on a US message board and don’t live in America. Spare me. You don’t even understand basic stats. 2.5 every 100k die. Ooooooh. You suck at math.

The virus came from Europe not China, you dope. And 1/4 of the people who are dying are under the age of 65. Your "facts" are just shit you pull out of your ass.

I fully understand that you're a 30 year old white guy with a 6 figure income and this isn't a problem for you. Ignorant, arrogant and entitled is no way to go through life, son.

How fucking dumb and brianwashed can you get? The virus came from Wuhan China.

 

[CWayne]

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

Congrats, you have passed 4th grade math!

The point is, that this isn’t over. It’s actually a long way from being over. We aren’t shutting down the country because of the people that HAVE died. We are doing it to protect the people that WILL die. We are fighting to prevent 0.02% from becoming 0.1% or 1%.

No, we are not. The policy is wrong and will cost more lives than if no policy had been put in place.

That doesn’t seem likely. Did you see what happened in New York? Do you want that everywhere?

What happened in NY was the result of an indifferent and incompetent Governor. When you put covid patients in with the group of people MOST SUSCEPTIBLE to a virus, you get a lot of deaths.

Do I want it everywhere? Given the number of states with the exact same population density and number have far less deaths than NY, I want NY's Governor charged criminally. I also want those who are promoting this nonsense, in the face of the real numbers and science, to pay heavy fines for endangering the lives of the citizens of this country.

We need ONLY isolate the vulnerable, and put the rest back to work so that we can build natural herd immunity.

People like you are criminal in your beliefs.

 

[bripat9643]

That is the weapon of choice for the left. That is the manner in which we will cause the total collapse of our own nation.

The fact that most people never even know they've had the virus and they recover from their symptomless death sentence of .02% means what in the big picture?

Do you refuse to get behind the wheel of a car because of the risk of death?
Do you refuse to live ANYWHERE where natural disasters regularly threaten lives?
Do you refuse to fly on a plane because of the risk of crashing?
Do you refuse to go swimming because of the risk of drowning?

I'm guessing you answered no to all those yet for some inexplicable reason you are scared to death of a viruse with a super low mortality rate...

Why?

Using a bit of common sense leads me to the conclusion that many are doing it to hurt Trump.

Yeah more will get sick. That is the nature of life and the risks it has ALWAYS posed. The mortality rate is still absurdly low for the archaic reactions of the left.

You pulled .02% out of thin air. Lets take a look at what we know is FACT:

Number of U.S. deaths from Coronavirus: 86,970
Number of U.S. infections from Coronavirus: 1,459,684

U.S. death rate from Coronavirus: 6.0%

So if 100 million Americans get infected, you kill 6 million Americans.
If 200 million Americans get infected, you kill 12 million Americans.
If 300 million Americans get infected, you kill 18 million Americans.
If ALL 333,333,334 Americans get infected, you kill 20 million Americans.

As for the economy, the economy won't improve unless CONSUMERS FEEL SAFE to go out purchase things. Kill the pathogen, you make the environment safe for consumers. When that happens, the economy comes roaring back.

If you don't do what the SCIENCE says, reopen too soon before testing, contact tracing and isolation methods are in place, you'll have to go back into lockdown again. Until it is consumers feel safe, know it is safe, they are not going to go out and spend if your opened up. Your metric for how your doing against the virus is daily confirmed infections and deaths. Until those numbers go down to a small fraction of what they are now, the smart move is to stay locked down. Once the pathogen is at a small fraction of the current daily infections and deaths currently seen, then it can be controlled and contained through testing, contact tracing, and isolation of suspected infections. Then you can reopen without having to worry about going through a lock down again.

TAIWAN did this perfectly. They only have had 440 infections and 7 deaths. There are only 46 people in TAIWAN still infected and that number is dropping daily. Within the next two weeks, its likely that TAIWAN will have completely eliminated the virus from the country. TAIWAN is a country of 24 million people.

Divide Deaths by total population of 330mil and tell me what % you get. You don't have any mathematical acumen.

Neither do you, you stupid dolt! You divide the deaths by the "closed cases" not the total population - the number of people who recovered plus the number of people who died. The entire population didn't get the virus. The rate of death is the number of people who got sick and died. Not the number of people who died versus the entire population.

Nope. That doesn't give you the death rate. That's determined by the total number of people infected, not "closed cases," whatever that is supposed to mean.

 

[buttercup]

I hate always repeating myself, but unfortunately many here play right into the hands of the oligarchs whose M.O is divide and conquer. So I'll say it again. It's not a left / right thing. This is a global power grab. A global economic reset. And a global step closer to their goal of global government, aka the New World Order.

The criminals who run this world want complete control of all of us, it's not about left or right but authoritarianism vs freedom/ individual rights. They purposely promote the left/right paradigm so that we are all constantly fighting each other, and keeping our attention off of them.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Here Bri and friends Get educated
Timeline: What Trump Has Said And Done About The ... - NPR
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Apr 21, 2020 - President Trump has delivered an ever-evolving message to the American public about the coronavirus pandemic. We compare Trump's ...
Timeline: Trump's slow coronavirus response vs. the warning ...
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Apr 7, 2020 - And as it has spread, we keep learning about new warning signs that apparently weren't heeded. It wouldn't be until mid-March that Trump would ...

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So you're saying that your current source of "Orange man BAAAAAAD!!!" is that his position changes as the available information improves?

 

[bripat9643]

I hate always repeating myself, but unfortunately many here play right into the hands of the oligarchs whose M.O is divide and conquer. So I'll say it again. It's not a left / right thing. This is a global power grab. A global economic reset. And a global step closer to their goal of global government, aka the New World Order.

The criminals who run this world want complete control of all of us, it's not about left or right but authoritarianism vs freedom/ individual rights. They purposely promote the left/right paradigm so that we are all constantly fighting each other, and keeping our attention off of them.

The left is on the side of giving government more power. The right opposes it. It's clearly a "left/right" thing.

 

[bripat9643]

Here Bri and friends Get educated
Timeline: What Trump Has Said And Done About The ... - NPR
www.npr.org › 2020/04/21 › timeline-what-trump-has-sai...


Apr 21, 2020 - President Trump has delivered an ever-evolving message to the American public about the coronavirus pandemic. We compare Trump's ...
Timeline: Trump's slow coronavirus response vs. the warning ...
www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2020/04/07 › timeli...


Apr 7, 2020 - And as it has spread, we keep learning about new warning signs that apparently weren't heeded. It wouldn't be until mid-March that Trump would ...

Top st

So you're saying that your current source of "Orange man BAAAAAAD!!!" is that his position changes as the available information improves?

Fauci's position changed every week, so why aren't they whining about him?

 

[buttercup]

I hate always repeating myself, but unfortunately many here play right into the hands of the oligarchs whose M.O is divide and conquer. So I'll say it again. It's not a left / right thing. This is a global power grab. A global economic reset. And a global step closer to their goal of global government, aka the New World Order.

The criminals who run this world want complete control of all of us, it's not about left or right but authoritarianism vs freedom/ individual rights. They purposely promote the left/right paradigm so that we are all constantly fighting each other, and keeping our attention off of them.

The left is on the side of giving government more power. The right opposes it. It's clearly a "left/right" thing.

Actually, it's not quite that simple. While it's true that leftists / "liberals" are for more government, many people on the "right" also support more government, without even realizing it, for example if they support the unconstitutional wars based on lies and our interventionist, nation-building foreign policy, the Federal Reserve, bailouts, etc.

But my point is that the powers-that-be WANT us to be divided into 2 groups who are constantly fighting each other, because it allows them to continue taking us ALL toward global tyranny, while everyone's eyes are off of them and instead on each other.

 

[bripat9643]

I hate always repeating myself, but unfortunately many here play right into the hands of the oligarchs whose M.O is divide and conquer. So I'll say it again. It's not a left / right thing. This is a global power grab. A global economic reset. And a global step closer to their goal of global government, aka the New World Order.

The criminals who run this world want complete control of all of us, it's not about left or right but authoritarianism vs freedom/ individual rights. They purposely promote the left/right paradigm so that we are all constantly fighting each other, and keeping our attention off of them.

The left is on the side of giving government more power. The right opposes it. It's clearly a "left/right" thing.

Actually, it's not quite that simple. While it's true that leftists / "liberals" are for more government, many people on the "right" also support more government, without even realizing it, for example if they support the unconstitutional wars based on lies and our interventionist, nation-building foreign policy, the Federal Reserve, bailouts, etc.

But my point is that the powers-that-be WANT us to be divided into 2 groups who are constantly fighting each other, because it allows them to continue taking us ALL toward global tyranny, while everyone's eyes are off of them and instead on each other.

The right doesn't support nation building, the federal reserve or bailouts. Nation building was a Bush thing. Most on the right opposed it. What's the difference between a constitutional war and an unconstitutional war? Was Korea constitutional? Vietnam?

The left is responsible for just about every expansion of government power. The subject isn't even debatable.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

Congrats, you have passed 4th grade math!

The point is, that this isn’t over. It’s actually a long way from being over. We aren’t shutting down the country because of the people that HAVE died. We are doing it to protect the people that WILL die. We are fighting to prevent 0.02% from becoming 0.1% or 1%.

No, we are not. The policy is wrong and will cost more lives than if no policy had been put in place.

That doesn’t seem likely. Did you see what happened in New York? Do you want that everywhere?

NY was an anomaly. Again odds of you dying if you’re under 59 are very slim.

NY was what happens when the virus takes hold before mitigation.

No. NYC happens when you infect nursing homes at a rapid rate. They are an outlier. Didn’t happen anywhere else in the country. And still 98% of those who died are those who either old and or very unhealthy. We can protect them and open the country. They were wrong in terms of how many hospital beds and ventilators they would need. Need to follow Sweden’s model.

Sweden’s Coronavirus Strategy Will Soon Be the World’s

Herd immunity is the only realistic option—the question is how to get there safely.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Nursing homes are everywhere dude. Unhealthy people are everywhere. Old people are everywhere.

The more you open up the country, the harder it is to protect them. Old, unhealthy, nursing home patients cannot exist in isolation. They are almost by definition reliant on others for activities of daily life.

And they can remain on lockdown. The rest of us should be able to go out and give the economy a boost. Set up testing at nursing homes to test those going in (workers). Vaccines are not 100% effective. When would you reopen?

Id reopen when we can identify, trace and isolate cases, like you do with any outbreak.

It’ll happen. It won’t be that long.

How long. Guesstimate.

Different place to place. Depends on how competent your state is.

I’m not a big fan of the “Jesus take the wheel” approach.

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

We are all going to get infected sooner or later

and those with underlying medical conditions will die from it

but everyone else will survive just as humans always have

I don't believe that's true. Not everyone gets the flu every year.

True

some of us may postpone the inevitable for two years

But sooner or later...

There's nothing inevitable about it.

I suppose total isolation in space might keep the chinese disease at bay

but here on earth only one person out of a million can live in total isolation

It doesn't require total isolation. It requires contact tracing and testing. Find out who has it, isolate them, find out who they possibly gave it to, test them, isolate those that turn out to be infect, etc. etc. etc. Find the disease, track it, end it.

Or spread it and allow for herd immunity.

Lets say there are 100 of us and 25 are old or at risk. We protect the 25 but we 75 go out. We all get it and then the virus has nowhere to go and dies out and then we release the remaining 25.

The very fact that 75 out of 100 has it means the 25 aren’t protected.

That’s how it always works. Healthy protect the vulnerable.

Here that’s what I thought we were doing by social distancing. The healthy are sacrificing to protect the vulnerable. Yet, what I’m hearing is that the healthy should not be “punished” and shouldn’t have to protect the vulnerable, who are only a very small percentage.

we protect them better by garnering herd immunity. This was supposed to flatten the curve not lockdown til there is a cure. By garnering herd immunity we protect the vulnerable. By doing what we are doing now we prolong the pain for everyone. ECONOMIC Pain is real. It’s lives vs lives not $$$ vs lives

There never was a curve to flatten. Even in the hardest hit New York where the deaths were deliberate the hospitals were never really overwhelmed.

Never overwhelmed? That's nonsense. They were totally overwhelmed. They were flying in doctors/nurses from all over the country. They had built hundreds of ICU beds into makeshift units in OR suites. It was nuts.

just because they brought in extra resources doesnt mean they were overwhelmed,,,only a few of the hospitals were overwhelmed while others barely saw an increase
if you look into it you will find that most of those resources werent used and later dismantled and went back from where they came,,,

Sorry dude, but I know people who were in the thick of it. It was a disaster.

I call bullshit!

Good for you.

They say it was a disaster but it was not. I want More statistical data such as how close to death were those who ultimately died from this. Such as those in nursing homes who had months or weeks to live anyway. Average age there is 85 and average life span is 80 in the US.

This statement suggests their lives aren’t as valuable.

They aren’t. They have lived 2x my lifespan. I’d gladly give up my life for my kids for example. Doesn’t mean I want to kill people but I want to make it as palatable as possible for everyone. Deaths are part of life. We have a car accident every 30 minutes in the US but we don’t stop driving.

When someone is killed in a car accident, guilt is assessed, charges are laid, and the guilty party has to pay the injured party for their damages.

Trump is trying to make it so that if your employer doesn't take steps to protect you from the virus, you're not allowed to sue them for making you sick. And if you get sick, they cans till fire you, and you lose your health insurance.

What protections do the WORKERS have to keep them safe?

that would mean something if the are forced to work,,,and in this country nobody is forced to work,,,

and how do you prove they got infected at work???
you cant,,,

Yeah, you can. Easily. Because you can do a DNA analysis of the virus and all you need is for one other coworker to have the virus with the same DNA, and Bob's your uncle.

Many states are telling workers that if their employer calls them back to work, their unemployment benefits will be cut off if they refuse. Donald Trump signed an EO ordering meat processing plants to stay open. Trump is prepared to sacrifice low wage workers to the economy.

The reason why the rate of death is so high in America is because so many people lack health insurance and can't afford to treat "underlying conditions", so they fester. The only country in the first world with a declining life expectancy. Monsanto frankenfood, over-processed, low nutrient, high fat junk food. Lack of fresh food in poor neighbourhoods. The cheapest food in the world, and like all cheap goods, you get what you pay for.

"Essential workers" are rapidly turning into "expendable workers". After all they're old/sick/fat/poor and they're likely not even white.

my god you really are a fucking idiot,,,

Coming from a Trump voter, it's almost a compliment. You think Trump isn't a fucking idiot.

You continue to believed that 87,000 dead Americans, and more than a million sick, with a minimum of 40,000 more deaths expected, to be proof positive that Trump is doing a "great job" containing the pandemic.



Less than one month ago, Trump said that 17,000 deaths from H1N1 in one year a "disaster". Well WTF is 87,000 deaths in less than three months. It was "unnecessary" and due to "incompetence" in 2009 when the deaths were less than 1/5th of what Trump has overseen.

The USA didn't lead the world in cases or in death with H1N1.

So if the idiots who support Donald Trump think I'm a "fucking idiot", while still supporting the guy who has killed 87,000 Americans so far, I'm clearly a WHOLE lot smarter than you are.

You fat witch. Average age of those dead is 82. Blame China not Trump who shut travel down on the 24th of January from there. You’re so smart you post on a US message board and don’t live in America. Spare me. You don’t even understand basic stats. 2.5 every 100k die. Ooooooh. You suck at math.

The virus came from Europe not China, you dope. And 1/4 of the people who are dying are under the age of 65. Your "facts" are just shit you pull out of your ass.

I fully understand that you're a 30 year old white guy with a 6 figure income and this isn't a problem for you. Ignorant, arrogant and entitled is no way to go through life, son.

Wrong. Unless Wuhan moved to Europe.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It makes one think there might be ulterior and maybe even nefarious motives.

The old adage, “Follow the money,” might apply.

No. I don't believe there is a nefarious motive.

It's simply their ideology. To the left-wing, and the toddlerism belief that mommy government will save us with her tits, this is what they believe.

They believe government can fix all. Government can save all. Government can prevent all bad from happening in the universe. To the toddler left-wingers, mommy government will fix all and save us from the big bad Corona.

And you also see this, with their blind unthinking acceptance of any proclamation from anyone who is called an "expert".

So no, it's not some grand evil scheme. You guys are putting way to much credit into mindless politicians, who are doing whatever they can to make themselves look better.

No this is simply the sad pathetic truth of how Americans as a culture have degenerated into a bunch of mentally disabled toddlers still trying to suckle mommy governments tits for protection, even into their 50s and 60s.

Americans have turned into adult babies. It's that simple. That's what we are seeing here.

That’s not what is happening at all. Donald Trump is looting the treasury for himself and his friends. His campaign managers company got a bailout loan. As did many of his campaign suppliers and donors.

Trump doesn’t want this to end. Unsupervised access to billions of dollars. Heaven for a crook like Trump and his cronies.

Yeah, honey. The person who "really" wants this to continue is the person who keeps talking about the need to end it, while the people who are constantly harping about how bad it would be to end it and how we need to continue it, THEY'RE the ones who want it to stop.

*pats head* Why don't you go get yourself a nice big glass of Benefiber and take a nap? All this attempting to think has clearly worn you out.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It makes one think there might be ulterior and maybe even nefarious motives.

The old adage, “Follow the money,” might apply.

No. I don't believe there is a nefarious motive.

It's simply their ideology. To the left-wing, and the toddlerism belief that mommy government will save us with her tits, this is what they believe.

They believe government can fix all. Government can save all. Government can prevent all bad from happening in the universe. To the toddler left-wingers, mommy government will fix all and save us from the big bad Corona.

And you also see this, with their blind unthinking acceptance of any proclamation from anyone who is called an "expert".

So no, it's not some grand evil scheme. You guys are putting way to much credit into mindless politicians, who are doing whatever they can to make themselves look better.

No this is simply the sad pathetic truth of how Americans as a culture have degenerated into a bunch of mentally disabled toddlers still trying to suckle mommy governments tits for protection, even into their 50s and 60s.

Americans have turned into adult babies. It's that simple. That's what we are seeing here.

That’s not what is happening at all. Donald Trump is looting the treasury for himself and his friends. His campaign managers company got a bailout loan. As did many of his campaign suppliers and donors.

Trump doesn’t want this to end. Unsupervised access to billions of dollars. Heaven for a crook like Trump and his cronies.

Nothing of that statement was factual.

I love it when you pile hate on my posts:

Trump donor's private jet company reportedly gets $27 million bailout — the largest of any other private jet company

Clay Lacy of Clay Lacy Aviation donated the maximum amount to Trump in 2016, the same year he gave $47,300 to the Republican National Committee.

www.businessinsider.com

Small Business Rescue Money Flows to Major Trump Donors

PPP loans were approved for a number of corporations whose executives have donated to Trump’s campaign, as small businesses struggled to access the funds.

theintercept.com

This is criminality at a time when the country is facing one of the biggest crises of its history.

I realize that this whole "free enterprise owning a business actually doing something useful for your money" thing is alien to you, but could you tell me, please, why you think that those companies are somehow less affected by the shutdown of the economy than every other business out there, and less entitled to avail themselves of government programs than every other business out there? Does a business relationship with Donald Trump somehow magically mean that they don't have operation costs they have to meet and employees who need to be paid to feed their families?

I get it. You see the name "Trump" and automatically think, "Aha!! Proof of nefarious collusion, because it MUST mean that!!!" and then preen yourself on having done something clever.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You'll be on lockdown until nobody dies from anything ! Go put on your mask !

I loved the mayor of LA's statement that the lockdown will not be lifted until they go 14 days with no coronavirus deaths. They don't go 14 days with no influenza deaths, and haven't in literally decades, if I remember correctly, but they've never locked down the city over it. Hell, they can't go 14 days with no traffic fatalities, but I don't see them suggesting a ban on driving.

The new rule is that only coronavirus deaths matter. Otherwise, 2 million deaths are A-OK with the lockdown clones.

Because apparently, you're somehow MORE dead if you have coronavirus . . . ?

 

[Cecilie1200]

It makes one think there might be ulterior and maybe even nefarious motives.

The old adage, “Follow the money,” might apply.

No. I don't believe there is a nefarious motive.

It's simply their ideology. To the left-wing, and the toddlerism belief that mommy government will save us with her tits, this is what they believe.

They believe government can fix all. Government can save all. Government can prevent all bad from happening in the universe. To the toddler left-wingers, mommy government will fix all and save us from the big bad Corona.

And you also see this, with their blind unthinking acceptance of any proclamation from anyone who is called an "expert".

So no, it's not some grand evil scheme. You guys are putting way to much credit into mindless politicians, who are doing whatever they can to make themselves look better.

No this is simply the sad pathetic truth of how Americans as a culture have degenerated into a bunch of mentally disabled toddlers still trying to suckle mommy governments tits for protection, even into their 50s and 60s.

Americans have turned into adult babies. It's that simple. That's what we are seeing here.

That’s not what is happening at all. Donald Trump is looting the treasury for himself and his friends. His campaign managers company got a bailout loan. As did many of his campaign suppliers and donors.

Trump doesn’t want this to end. Unsupervised access to billions of dollars. Heaven for a crook like Trump and his cronies.

Go take your delusional Canuck ass a nap. You are very far from the truth.

A faggot is your president.

First off, I've already posted the links that prove that Trump and his buddies are looting the Treasury, but here they are again. That's why Trump and Mnuchin fired the guy who was supposed to do oversight and put in their own guy.

Small Business Rescue Money Flows to Major Trump Donors

PPP loans were approved for a number of corporations whose executives have donated to Trump’s campaign, as small businesses struggled to access the funds.

theintercept.com

Trump donor's private jet company reportedly gets $27 million bailout — the largest of any other private jet company

Clay Lacy of Clay Lacy Aviation donated the maximum amount to Trump in 2016, the same year he gave $47,300 to the Republican National Committee.

www.businessinsider.com

Found another one:

Phunware, a data firm for Trump campaign, got millions in coronavirus small business help

Public company whose board chair is a former top JPMorgan Chase executive received nearly $3 million from the bank.

www.cbsnews.com

Then there's this one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-company-has-received-at-least-970000-from-us-taxpayers-for-room-rentals/2020/05/14/26d27862-916d-11ea-9e23-6914ee410a5f_story.html

I guess you call Trudeau a faggot because of the way Trump's women look at him:

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You posted links of people who know Trump getting loans that, last time I checked, they're legally and morally allowed to qualify for, the same as any business owner, and then you cackled like the demented old crone you are about how that "proves Treasury looting".

 

[Mac-7]

The virus came from Europe not China, you dope. And 1/4 of the people who are dying are under the age of 65. Your "facts" are just shit you pull out of your ass.

I fully understand that you're a 30 year old white guy with a 6 figure income and this isn't a problem for you. Ignorant, arrogant and entitled is no way to go through life, son.

Are you seriously that FUCKING stupid? Actually, I don't think you are. You're stupid enough to think someone might fall for the lie but even you aren't so fucking stupid that you believe the shit that you're spewing. Nobody in the entire fucking planet believes that the Wuhan virus came from Europe.

Many libs believe the chinese lie

But what motivates them to side with china against their own country is a mystery to me

 

[Andylusion]

That is the weapon of choice for the left. That is the manner in which we will cause the total collapse of our own nation.

The fact that most people never even know they've had the virus and they recover from their symptomless death sentence of .02% means what in the big picture?

Do you refuse to get behind the wheel of a car because of the risk of death?
Do you refuse to live ANYWHERE where natural disasters regularly threaten lives?
Do you refuse to fly on a plane because of the risk of crashing?
Do you refuse to go swimming because of the risk of drowning?

I'm guessing you answered no to all those yet for some inexplicable reason you are scared to death of a viruse with a super low mortality rate...

Why?

Using a bit of common sense leads me to the conclusion that many are doing it to hurt Trump.

Yeah more will get sick. That is the nature of life and the risks it has ALWAYS posed. The mortality rate is still absurdly low for the archaic reactions of the left.

You pulled .02% out of thin air. Lets take a look at what we know is FACT:

Number of U.S. deaths from Coronavirus: 86,970
Number of U.S. infections from Coronavirus: 1,459,684

U.S. death rate from Coronavirus: 6.0%

So if 100 million Americans get infected, you kill 6 million Americans.
If 200 million Americans get infected, you kill 12 million Americans.
If 300 million Americans get infected, you kill 18 million Americans.
If ALL 333,333,334 Americans get infected, you kill 20 million Americans.

As for the economy, the economy won't improve unless CONSUMERS FEEL SAFE to go out purchase things. Kill the pathogen, you make the environment safe for consumers. When that happens, the economy comes roaring back.

If you don't do what the SCIENCE says, reopen too soon before testing, contact tracing and isolation methods are in place, you'll have to go back into lockdown again. Until it is consumers feel safe, know it is safe, they are not going to go out and spend if your opened up. Your metric for how your doing against the virus is daily confirmed infections and deaths. Until those numbers go down to a small fraction of what they are now, the smart move is to stay locked down. Once the pathogen is at a small fraction of the current daily infections and deaths currently seen, then it can be controlled and contained through testing, contact tracing, and isolation of suspected infections. Then you can reopen without having to worry about going through a lock down again.

TAIWAN did this perfectly. They only have had 440 infections and 7 deaths. There are only 46 people in TAIWAN still infected and that number is dropping daily. Within the next two weeks, its likely that TAIWAN will have completely eliminated the virus from the country. TAIWAN is a country of 24 million people.

Divide Deaths by total population of 330mil and tell me what % you get. You don't have any mathematical acumen.

Neither do you, you stupid dolt! You divide the deaths by the "closed cases" not the total population - the number of people who recovered plus the number of people who died. The entire population didn't get the virus. The rate of death is the number of people who got sick and died. Not the number of people who died versus the entire population.

Nope. That doesn't give you the death rate. That's determined by the total number of people infected, not "closed cases," whatever that is supposed to mean.

I have her on ignore for this exact reason.

What you said is dead on right.

The death rate of any virus, is the total number of confirmed deaths caused by the virus, divided by the total number of infected.

What we already know for certain, is that the number of infected is unknown, and the number of deaths is unknown.

This is because of the following:

A: We have a complete lack of testing, of both the dead and the public.
B: We have created incentives for hospitals to label absolutely everyone they can as being infected with Covid, whether current patients or dead.

That means that each number we have in the US, could both be dramatically over reported, or under reported.

I know people who believe they may have caught the Covid, including myself, and none of us went to the doctor, or were tested.

So it is very possible that the number of infected is dramatically higher than what we have numbers on.

Additionally, given the fact that hospitals are paid as much as ten times the payout for Medicare and Medicaid based on claiming a now dead patient, died with Covid, it is also very possible the number of deaths is dramatically lower than the numbers we have.

Now I am not going to say I know for a fact either way, but clearly one fact we do know for certain is.... none of you knows anything. We don't know.

And there is one additional fact that is undeniable. The predictions of mass deaths, didn't happen in Sweden. They didn't happen in Japan. And they didn't happen in Florida.

This lends credibility to the fact the death rates are wildly over blown.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It makes one think there might be ulterior and maybe even nefarious motives.

The old adage, “Follow the money,” might apply.

No. I don't believe there is a nefarious motive.

It's simply their ideology. To the left-wing, and the toddlerism belief that mommy government will save us with her tits, this is what they believe.

They believe government can fix all. Government can save all. Government can prevent all bad from happening in the universe. To the toddler left-wingers, mommy government will fix all and save us from the big bad Corona.

And you also see this, with their blind unthinking acceptance of any proclamation from anyone who is called an "expert".

So no, it's not some grand evil scheme. You guys are putting way to much credit into mindless politicians, who are doing whatever they can to make themselves look better.

No this is simply the sad pathetic truth of how Americans as a culture have degenerated into a bunch of mentally disabled toddlers still trying to suckle mommy governments tits for protection, even into their 50s and 60s.

Americans have turned into adult babies. It's that simple. That's what we are seeing here.

That’s not what is happening at all. Donald Trump is looting the treasury for himself and his friends. His campaign managers company got a bailout loan. As did many of his campaign suppliers and donors.

Trump doesn’t want this to end. Unsupervised access to billions of dollars. Heaven for a crook like Trump and his cronies.

Nothing of that statement was factual.

I love it when you pile hate on my posts:

Trump donor's private jet company reportedly gets $27 million bailout — the largest of any other private jet company

Clay Lacy of Clay Lacy Aviation donated the maximum amount to Trump in 2016, the same year he gave $47,300 to the Republican National Committee.

www.businessinsider.com

Small Business Rescue Money Flows to Major Trump Donors

PPP loans were approved for a number of corporations whose executives have donated to Trump’s campaign, as small businesses struggled to access the funds.

theintercept.com

This is criminality at a time when the country is facing one of the biggest crises of its history.

I realize that this whole "free enterprise owning a business actually doing something useful for your money" thing is alien to you, but could you tell me, please, why you think that those companies are somehow less affected by the shutdown of the economy than every other business out there, and less entitled to avail themselves of government programs than every other business out there? Does a business relationship with Donald Trump somehow magically mean that they don't have operation costs they have to meet and employees who need to be paid to feed their families?

I get it. You see the name "Trump" and automatically think, "Aha!! Proof of nefarious collusion, because it MUST mean that!!!" and then preen yourself on having done something clever.

Love it!!! Trump owns her empty head and she is not even American.

 

[Levant]

I hate always repeating myself, but unfortunately many here play right into the hands of the oligarchs whose M.O is divide and conquer. So I'll say it again. It's not a left / right thing. This is a global power grab. A global economic reset. And a global step closer to their goal of global government, aka the New World Order.

The criminals who run this world want complete control of all of us, it's not about left or right but authoritarianism vs freedom/ individual rights. They purposely promote the left/right paradigm so that we are all constantly fighting each other, and keeping our attention off of them.

The left is on the side of giving government more power. The right opposes it. It's clearly a "left/right" thing.

No, those are the battles, not the war. McConnell protects the Senate, including his Democratic counterpart, Crying Chuck, before he protects us. He makes sure that power is maintained rather than the will of the people is implemented.