.02% chance of death.... thats what we are destroying our nation over

[U2Edge]

That is the weapon of choice for the left. That is the manner in which we will cause the total collapse of our own nation.

The fact that most people never even know they've had the virus and they recover from their symptomless death sentence of .02% means what in the big picture?

Do you refuse to get behind the wheel of a car because of the risk of death?
Do you refuse to live ANYWHERE where natural disasters regularly threaten lives?
Do you refuse to fly on a plane because of the risk of crashing?
Do you refuse to go swimming because of the risk of drowning?

I'm guessing you answered no to all those yet for some inexplicable reason you are scared to death of a viruse with a super low mortality rate...

Why?

Using a bit of common sense leads me to the conclusion that many are doing it to hurt Trump.

Yeah more will get sick. That is the nature of life and the risks it has ALWAYS posed. The mortality rate is still absurdly low for the archaic reactions of the left.

You pulled .02% out of thin air. Lets take a look at what we know is FACT:

Number of U.S. deaths from Coronavirus: 86,970
Number of U.S. infections from Coronavirus: 1,459,684

U.S. death rate from Coronavirus: 6.0%

So if 100 million Americans get infected, you kill 6 million Americans.
If 200 million Americans get infected, you kill 12 million Americans.
If 300 million Americans get infected, you kill 18 million Americans.
If ALL 333,333,334 Americans get infected, you kill 20 million Americans.

As for the economy, the economy won't improve unless CONSUMERS FEEL SAFE to go out purchase things. Kill the pathogen, you make the environment safe for consumers. When that happens, the economy comes roaring back.

If you don't do what the SCIENCE says, reopen too soon before testing, contact tracing and isolation methods are in place, you'll have to go back into lockdown again. Until it is consumers feel safe, know it is safe, they are not going to go out and spend if your opened up. Your metric for how your doing against the virus is daily confirmed infections and deaths. Until those numbers go down to a small fraction of what they are now, the smart move is to stay locked down. Once the pathogen is at a small fraction of the current daily infections and deaths currently seen, then it can be controlled and contained through testing, contact tracing, and isolation of suspected infections. Then you can reopen without having to worry about going through a lock down again.

TAIWAN did this perfectly. They only have had 440 infections and 7 deaths. There are only 46 people in TAIWAN still infected and that number is dropping daily. Within the next two weeks, its likely that TAIWAN will have completely eliminated the virus from the country. TAIWAN is a country of 24 million people.

 

[U2Edge]

It makes one think there might be ulterior and maybe even nefarious motives.

The old adage, “Follow the money,” might apply.

Yeah, Trump is funnelling millions to big corporations. He wants to keep this going so he and his buddies can loot the treasury. No oversight on the distribution. Trump fired the IG doing oversight. That's dirty as hell.

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The annoying orange didn’t write the welfare bill recently passed and isn’t writing the $2T next one.

YOUR LEAVING THE WHITE HOUSE FOR GOOD IN 8 MONTHS! DEAL WITH IT!

 

[colfax_m]

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

Congrats, you have passed 4th grade math!

The point is, that this isn’t over. It’s actually a long way from being over. We aren’t shutting down the country because of the people that HAVE died. We are doing it to protect the people that WILL die. We are fighting to prevent 0.02% from becoming 0.1% or 1%.

No, we are not. The policy is wrong and will cost more lives than if no policy had been put in place.

That doesn’t seem likely. Did you see what happened in New York? Do you want that everywhere?

 

[Dragonlady]

I'll feel more comfortable fully participating in the economy once there is the appropriate widespread testing, effective therapies and a vaccine

Thats funny shit right there.

1. Wide spread testing will only heighten your fear.
2 & 3. Haha, enjoy hiding under your bed until it's time to switch to your coffin

Those of us who are self-isolating aren't "afraid". Those who are in denial are the ones who are afraid. You're terrified your economy is collapsing.

When the Weather Channel says "Tornado warning", I go to the basement, because that's the safest thing to do, and I stay there until the storm passes. What are the odds you're going to be killed in a tornado? Less than being killed in this pandemic. Yet you wouldn't dare go outside during the tornado warning. This virus is far more deadly than a tornado, and you can't see it or know it's there. You don't know if you're one of the "lucky" ones it kills, until you get it.

Nobody is hiding under beds. We're adjusting to life lived with social distancing. We're developing strategies to work without endangering others, especially the essential workers who have been risking their lives daily, to let us shelter at home. We're finding ways to keep ourselves from getting the virus, because health care workers can't take much more of this. They're dying because Trump was unprepared.

You still don't have adequate testing or public health strategies to keep people safe. That's all on Trump. His leadership has been worse than non-existant. The USA would be better off if Trump had just gone back to the White House and stayed there, saying and doing nothing. Everything he did do, made things worse. Much, much worse, and his actions, continue to cost American lives.

The USA hasn't really ever been shut down. And yet you're pushing to reduce restrictions. 85,000 dead, 1,054,000 still sick, and people are out drinking, shoulder to should, with no masks. Americans are behaving like petulant toddlers, and like petulant toddlers, nothing is going to happen until they cut out the nonsense and start behaving themselves in a medically resonable way.

I'm willing to let these fools kill themselves, but they're endangering others and prolonging the shut down, and making their own greatest fears a reality. In the meantime, countries which really did lock down, with testing and PPE's, are re-opening, slowly.

I see water parks are opening in the USA???? Are you fucking shitting me? All pools, splash pads, and water parks are closed for the season in Canada. I'd been counting the weeks until the pool opens. Rats!!! Time to use those Pilates tapes I have.

#Staythefuckathome.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It's not about practicality reasoned risk assessment...It's all just virtue signaling and moral preening now.

And for the politicians, it's about getting their power trip on.

Exactly!

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

Congrats, you have passed 4th grade math!

The point is, that this isn’t over. It’s actually a long way from being over. We aren’t shutting down the country because of the people that HAVE died. We are doing it to protect the people that WILL die. We are fighting to prevent 0.02% from becoming 0.1% or 1%.

No, we are not. The policy is wrong and will cost more lives than if no policy had been put in place.

That doesn’t seem likely. Did you see what happened in New York? Do you want that everywhere?

NY was an anomaly. Again odds of you dying if you’re under 59 are very slim.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I'll feel more comfortable fully participating in the economy once there is the appropriate widespread testing, effective therapies and a vaccine

Thats funny shit right there.

1. Wide spread testing will only heighten your fear.
2 & 3. Haha, enjoy hiding under your bed until it's time to switch to your coffin

Those of us who are self-isolating aren't "afraid". Those who are in denial are the ones who are afraid. You're terrified your economy is collapsing.

When the Weather Channel says "Tornado warning", I go to the basement, because that's the safest thing to do, and I stay there until the storm passes. What are the odds you're going to be killed in a tornado? Less than being killed in this pandemic. Yet you wouldn't dare go outside during the tornado warning. This virus is far more deadly than a tornado, and you can't see it or know it's there. You don't know if you're one of the "lucky" ones it kills, until you get it.

Nobody is hiding under beds. We're adjusting to life lived with social distancing. We're developing strategies to work without endangering others, especially the essential workers who have been risking their lives daily, to let us shelter at home. We're finding ways to keep ourselves from getting the virus, because health care workers can't take much more of this. They're dying because Trump was unprepared.

You still don't have adequate testing or public health strategies to keep people safe. That's all on Trump. His leadership has been worse than non-existant. The USA would be better off if Trump had just gone back to the White House and stayed there, saying and doing nothing. Everything he did do, made things worse. Much, much worse, and his actions, continue to cost American lives.

The USA hasn't really ever been shut down. And yet you're pushing to reduce restrictions. 85,000 dead, 1,054,000 still sick, and people are out drinking, shoulder to should, with no masks. Americans are behaving like petulant toddlers, and like petulant toddlers, nothing is going to happen until they cut out the nonsense and start behaving themselves in a medically resonable way.

I'm willing to let these fools kill themselves, but they're endangering others and prolonging the shut down, and making their own greatest fears a reality. In the meantime, countries which really did lock down, with testing and PPE's, are re-opening, slowly.

I see water parks are opening in the USA???? Are you fucking shitting me? All pools, splash pads, and water parks are closed for the season in Canada. I'd been counting the weeks until the pool opens. Rats!!! Time to use those Pilates tapes I have.

#Staythefuckathome.

You stupid evil woman. Our country is slowly dying from economic malaise. Including hospitals who make most of their income from elective surgeries. We have nearly 1/4 of all Americans unemployed and staying home doesn’t prevent infection. You’re stupid. Worry about Canada and allow us to worry about America. Georgia has been open for 3 weeks and since the opening they have 10% fewer cases than the national average. Herd immunity is the answer not idiot indefinite lockdowns. You ugly, evil witch.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Democrats are destroying the country to make sure they never lose power again. When they get finished you will eat what the power lets you eat, live where they say you will live, and do whatever you are told to do.

Democrats intend a soviet or Chinese communist take over.

 

[bripat9643]

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

Yeah? So?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

Congrats, you have passed 4th grade math!

The point is, that this isn’t over. It’s actually a long way from being over. We aren’t shutting down the country because of the people that HAVE died. We are doing it to protect the people that WILL die. We are fighting to prevent 0.02% from becoming 0.1% or 1%.

No, we are not. The policy is wrong and will cost more lives than if no policy had been put in place.

That doesn’t seem likely. Did you see what happened in New York? Do you want that everywhere?

Most of New York dead are elderly. Why is that? Can you answer honestly?

 

[bripat9643]

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

Congrats, you have passed 4th grade math!

The point is, that this isn’t over. It’s actually a long way from being over. We aren’t shutting down the country because of the people that HAVE died. We are doing it to protect the people that WILL die. We are fighting to prevent 0.02% from becoming 0.1% or 1%.

We are shutting it down because Democrats believe they can defeat Trump that way, and for no other reason.

At first we were told it was to "flatten the curve," that is, to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. Now that it's obvious that there's no chance of that, we're being told it will last until we have no more deaths from COVID. That won't happen for years.

 

[bripat9643]

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

Congrats, you have passed 4th grade math!

The point is, that this isn’t over. It’s actually a long way from being over. We aren’t shutting down the country because of the people that HAVE died. We are doing it to protect the people that WILL die. We are fighting to prevent 0.02% from becoming 0.1% or 1%.

No, we are not. The policy is wrong and will cost more lives than if no policy had been put in place.

That doesn’t seem likely. Did you see what happened in New York? Do you want that everywhere?

Most of New York dead are elderly. Why is that? Can you answer honestly?

Covid-19: nursing homes account for 'staggering' share of US deaths, data show

"Yale professor describes as ‘staggering’ research that reveals more than half of all deaths in 14 US states from elderly care facilities"

In Connecticut, 194 of 216 nursing homes have had at least one Covid-19 case. Nearly half the Covid-19 deaths in the state – more than 1,200 people – have been of nursing home residents. The proportion is higher elsewhere. In New Hampshire, 72% of deaths have been nursing home residents.

 

[bripat9643]

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

In other words, you're using a methodology conservatives never use when talking about the flu, because they don't want the flu death rate to look microscopic.
Now tell me, what's the chance of dying of the flu including the healthy?

It is useful to use the total mortality rate from influenza, which is to say add up all deaths and divide by population, to assess the burden of the flu. But this is only done retrospectively, when the flu season is over for the year. You don’t do it now because COVID is not over. It’s a long way from being over. This percentage is going to be changing as the season goes on. What shouldn’t change, or at least not by a lot absent revolutionary treatments which is not totally out of question, is the mortality rate of taking deaths divided by cases.

Furthermore, we know the death figures are grossly inflated.

 

[bripat9643]

That is the weapon of choice for the left. That is the manner in which we will cause the total collapse of our own nation.

The fact that most people never even know they've had the virus and they recover from their symptomless death sentence of .02% means what in the big picture?

Do you refuse to get behind the wheel of a car because of the risk of death?
Do you refuse to live ANYWHERE where natural disasters regularly threaten lives?
Do you refuse to fly on a plane because of the risk of crashing?
Do you refuse to go swimming because of the risk of drowning?

I'm guessing you answered no to all those yet for some inexplicable reason you are scared to death of a viruse with a super low mortality rate...

Why?

Using a bit of common sense leads me to the conclusion that many are doing it to hurt Trump.

Yeah more will get sick. That is the nature of life and the risks it has ALWAYS posed. The mortality rate is still absurdly low for the archaic reactions of the left.

You pulled .02% out of thin air. Lets take a look at what we know is FACT:

Number of U.S. deaths from Coronavirus: 86,970
Number of U.S. infections from Coronavirus: 1,459,684

U.S. death rate from Coronavirus: 6.0%

So if 100 million Americans get infected, you kill 6 million Americans.
If 200 million Americans get infected, you kill 12 million Americans.
If 300 million Americans get infected, you kill 18 million Americans.
If ALL 333,333,334 Americans get infected, you kill 20 million Americans.

As for the economy, the economy won't improve unless CONSUMERS FEEL SAFE to go out purchase things. Kill the pathogen, you make the environment safe for consumers. When that happens, the economy comes roaring back.

If you don't do what the SCIENCE says, reopen too soon before testing, contact tracing and isolation methods are in place, you'll have to go back into lockdown again. Until it is consumers feel safe, know it is safe, they are not going to go out and spend if your opened up. Your metric for how your doing against the virus is daily confirmed infections and deaths. Until those numbers go down to a small fraction of what they are now, the smart move is to stay locked down. Once the pathogen is at a small fraction of the current daily infections and deaths currently seen, then it can be controlled and contained through testing, contact tracing, and isolation of suspected infections. Then you can reopen without having to worry about going through a lock down again.

TAIWAN did this perfectly. They only have had 440 infections and 7 deaths. There are only 46 people in TAIWAN still infected and that number is dropping daily. Within the next two weeks, its likely that TAIWAN will have completely eliminated the virus from the country. TAIWAN is a country of 24 million people.

Your figures are ludicrous. The number of infections isn't the number who have been tested. For every person who tests positive there are 20-50 who never get tested and don't know they have it. Sleazy dishonest turds like you always use the former figure because it generates the hysteria you're looking for.

It's idiotic to compare us with Taiwan. For one thing, the USA is not an Island. For another, we already have millions of infections. We don't get a do-over. The lockdown cannot continue " Until those numbers go down to a small fraction of what they are now." That will take many many months. Our economy will be utterly destroyed by then. If consumers don't feel safe, then they can choose to stay home. There's no justification for shutting down every business in the country.

 

[colfax_m]

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

Congrats, you have passed 4th grade math!

The point is, that this isn’t over. It’s actually a long way from being over. We aren’t shutting down the country because of the people that HAVE died. We are doing it to protect the people that WILL die. We are fighting to prevent 0.02% from becoming 0.1% or 1%.

No, we are not. The policy is wrong and will cost more lives than if no policy had been put in place.

That doesn’t seem likely. Did you see what happened in New York? Do you want that everywhere?

NY was an anomaly. Again odds of you dying if you’re under 59 are very slim.

NY was what happens when the virus takes hold before mitigation.

 

[colfax_m]

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

Congrats, you have passed 4th grade math!

The point is, that this isn’t over. It’s actually a long way from being over. We aren’t shutting down the country because of the people that HAVE died. We are doing it to protect the people that WILL die. We are fighting to prevent 0.02% from becoming 0.1% or 1%.

No, we are not. The policy is wrong and will cost more lives than if no policy had been put in place.

That doesn’t seem likely. Did you see what happened in New York? Do you want that everywhere?

Most of New York dead are elderly. Why is that? Can you answer honestly?

Because that's how this virus rolls. It's far more deadly for the elderly. What's your point?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

Congrats, you have passed 4th grade math!

The point is, that this isn’t over. It’s actually a long way from being over. We aren’t shutting down the country because of the people that HAVE died. We are doing it to protect the people that WILL die. We are fighting to prevent 0.02% from becoming 0.1% or 1%.

No, we are not. The policy is wrong and will cost more lives than if no policy had been put in place.

That doesn’t seem likely. Did you see what happened in New York? Do you want that everywhere?

NY was an anomaly. Again odds of you dying if you’re under 59 are very slim.

NY was what happens when the virus takes hold before mitigation.

No. NYC happens when you infect nursing homes at a rapid rate. They are an outlier. Didn’t happen anywhere else in the country. And still 98% of those who died are those who either old and or very unhealthy. We can protect them and open the country. They were wrong in terms of how many hospital beds and ventilators they would need. Need to follow Sweden’s model.

Sweden’s Coronavirus Strategy Will Soon Be the World’s

Herd immunity is the only realistic option—the question is how to get there safely.

www.foreignaffairs.com

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

Congrats, you have passed 4th grade math!

The point is, that this isn’t over. It’s actually a long way from being over. We aren’t shutting down the country because of the people that HAVE died. We are doing it to protect the people that WILL die. We are fighting to prevent 0.02% from becoming 0.1% or 1%.

No, we are not. The policy is wrong and will cost more lives than if no policy had been put in place.

That doesn’t seem likely. Did you see what happened in New York? Do you want that everywhere?

Most of New York dead are elderly. Why is that? Can you answer honestly?

Because that's how this virus rolls. It's far more deadly for the elderly. What's your point?

Who put sick people in with the elderly?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. That’s out of everyone, not just the infected.

Congrats, you have passed 4th grade math!

The point is, that this isn’t over. It’s actually a long way from being over. We aren’t shutting down the country because of the people that HAVE died. We are doing it to protect the people that WILL die. We are fighting to prevent 0.02% from becoming 0.1% or 1%.

No, we are not. The policy is wrong and will cost more lives than if no policy had been put in place.

That doesn’t seem likely. Did you see what happened in New York? Do you want that everywhere?

Most of New York dead are elderly. Why is that? Can you answer honestly?

Because that's how this virus rolls. It's far more deadly for the elderly. What's your point?

Point is that it is illogical to punish 95% to potentially save less than 1% and in NY it showed that lockdowns didn’t work. 66% infected were those indoors and locked down. Cuomo was shocked too and reopened the state today. Herd immunity is what works.

 

[bripat9643]

I'll feel more comfortable fully participating in the economy once there is the appropriate widespread testing, effective therapies and a vaccine

Thats funny shit right there.

1. Wide spread testing will only heighten your fear.
2 & 3. Haha, enjoy hiding under your bed until it's time to switch to your coffin

Those of us who are self-isolating aren't "afraid". Those who are in denial are the ones who are afraid. You're terrified your economy is collapsing.

When the Weather Channel says "Tornado warning", I go to the basement, because that's the safest thing to do, and I stay there until the storm passes. What are the odds you're going to be killed in a tornado? Less than being killed in this pandemic. Yet you wouldn't dare go outside during the tornado warning. This virus is far more deadly than a tornado, and you can't see it or know it's there. You don't know if you're one of the "lucky" ones it kills, until you get it.

Nobody is hiding under beds. We're adjusting to life lived with social distancing. We're developing strategies to work without endangering others, especially the essential workers who have been risking their lives daily, to let us shelter at home. We're finding ways to keep ourselves from getting the virus, because health care workers can't take much more of this. They're dying because Trump was unprepared.

You still don't have adequate testing or public health strategies to keep people safe. That's all on Trump. His leadership has been worse than non-existant. The USA would be better off if Trump had just gone back to the White House and stayed there, saying and doing nothing. Everything he did do, made things worse. Much, much worse, and his actions, continue to cost American lives.

The USA hasn't really ever been shut down. And yet you're pushing to reduce restrictions. 85,000 dead, 1,054,000 still sick, and people are out drinking, shoulder to should, with no masks. Americans are behaving like petulant toddlers, and like petulant toddlers, nothing is going to happen until they cut out the nonsense and start behaving themselves in a medically resonable way.

I'm willing to let these fools kill themselves, but they're endangering others and prolonging the shut down, and making their own greatest fears a reality. In the meantime, countries which really did lock down, with testing and PPE's, are re-opening, slowly.

I see water parks are opening in the USA???? Are you fucking shitting me? All pools, splash pads, and water parks are closed for the season in Canada. I'd been counting the weeks until the pool opens. Rats!!! Time to use those Pilates tapes I have.

#Staythefuckathome.

You stupid evil woman. Our country is slowly dying from economic malaise. Including hospitals who make most of their income from elective surgeries. We have nearly 1/4 of all Americans unemployed and staying home doesn’t prevent infection. You’re stupid. Worry about Canada and allow us to worry about America. Georgia has been open for 3 weeks and since the opening they have 10% fewer cases than the national average. Herd immunity is the answer not idiot indefinite lockdowns. You ugly, evil witch.

These TDS morons behave as if this shutdown doesn't have a cost. Hiding in the basement during a tornado doesn't have a cost. Shutting down the enitre economy for months has a huge cost.