0th anniversary of VJ Day: Thank the atomic bomb for saving millions of lives

[RetiredGySgt]

We didn't throw every German American on the East Coast into concentration camps.

Internment of German Americans - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Unkotare]

we threw a bunvh [sic] in jail and camps and we kept them there unlike the Japanese that were released.

We didn't throw over a hundred thousand German Americans from the East Coast into concentration camps, despite the fact that there were so many more German Americans and unlike the West Coast, there were actual legitimate reasons to suspect German Americans of sabotage and espionage. .

Because.......

 

[Unkotare]

"Wikipedia" .....

 

[Unkotare]

Italian Americans = 1,600

German Americans = 11,000

Japanese Americans = 110,000

And unlike on the West Coast, for German and Italian Americans "Cases were looked at on an individual basis... people were only to be detained if they there was some evidence to suggest that they posed a threat."

 

[braalian]

I guess that's why the vast, vast, vast majority of those killed were civilians - women, children, elderly...

I guess Japan shouldn’t have attacked us first and started the war in the first place.

In all the threads about this subject on these boards, I’ve never once seen you address the fact that Japan started the war.

(And, yes, I’m aware WWII had been raging for years already, I’m talking about the Japan vs USA aspect of the war)

 

[braalian]

Re: the title of this thread:

I know it’s a just a typo, but “0th” seems like a cool, brain teaser like concept.

 

[Unkotare]

... I’ve never once seen you address the fact that Japan started the war.
....

Have you once seen me deny it? A foreign military attacked our military. We defeated that military. Then...

 

[M14 Shooter]

The U.S. could have waited three days for the Soviet Union to declare war on Japan. After that, the japanese realized that they had no more chances.

The Japanese realized they had no more chances after we dropped the 2nd bomb

I don't think so, the bomb was used just before the USSR entered the war to show those russians, that Uncle Sam had a new big stick. And that was the main reason for using the bomb.

The other, more main reason, was to end the war and save countless Japanese and Allied lives.

Again, the USSR going to war with Japan meant a quick defeat, but the U.S. didn't wait for that to happen.

The USSR had little to no capacity to defeat Japan. Its entry into the war was nothing m ore than a means to better its post-war position.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I guess Japan shouldn’t have attacked us first and started the war in the first place.

 

[DudleySmith]

Internment of German Americans - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I had an uncle thrown in one. He was a big Hitler fan in the 1930's. He was later allowed to join the Marines and serve in the Pacific during the Okinawa invasion. Never heard him snivel once about being interned, said they were treated pretty well, considering how the Depression was worse on people. Considering less than 1,900 people died in the camps, mostly due to TB and medical reasons, it doesn't sound like some hell hole existence or mass terrorization going on for Japs, either.

 

[DudleySmith]

I guess Japan shouldn’t have attacked us first and started the war in the first place.

In all the threads about this subject on these boards, I’ve never once seen you address the fact that Japan started the war.

(And, yes, I’m aware WWII had been raging for years already, I’m talking about the Japan vs USA aspect of the war)

He's hoping to get more 'reparations' for being a Jap, I guess. Either that or he's just a whiney fag trolling. Over 40,000 of those interned weren't American citizens, for one, and Japanese not on the West Coast were not interned. Ethnic Germans and Italians weren't as concentrated either. Most Euros were assimilated, and even more so during and after the war. they also turned in many spies and operatives, unlike the Japanese, who never reported Japanese spies and agents trying to recruit among their communities to the American authorities before the war.

 

[AZrailwhale]

There were many alternatives.

What are they?

 

[AZrailwhale]

I didn't say that. A detonation over Tokyo Bay or a rural area might have made quite an impression.

You’re still going to kill thousands of civilians. Tokyo was a civilian target and there were no large rural areas in Japan. It was very densely populated. At least Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I guess that's why the vast, vast, vast majority of those killed were civilians - women, children, elderly...

Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were major shipyards that were busy producing suicide boats, kaiten manned torpedoes and Kairyu mini subs to contest the invasion. Nagasaki was also a major IJA aresenal. Both cities were major centers for war production, the Japanese used small mom and pop subcontractors to produce much of their military hardware.

 

[Unkotare]

What are they?

Naval blockade
Demonstration detonation over Tokyo Bay or some rural area
Pursuing the possibility of a negotiated surrender by Japan far sooner

Was There a Diplomatic Alternative? The Atomic Bombing and Japan's Surrender - The Asia-Pacific Journal: Japan Focus

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[Unkotare]

You’re still going to kill thousands of civilians. .....

Out in the bay? No.

 

[Unkotare]

...... there were no large rural areas in Japan. . .....

LOL
Wrong.

 

[DudleySmith]

The Truth about Japanese Internment

After reading it, be aware that Americans living then knew little of Nazi atrocities but lots about those of the Japanese — they were well documented. Discover by reading this and other books that these Japanese atrocities were not individual aberrations as in MyLai but organized efforts by the Japanese command. Also know that Americans had every reason to believe those same atrocities could and would happen in American cities if they were occupied.

Jap communities in the U.S. were cheering these 'victories' throughout the 1920's and 1930's, holding parades and shipping care packages to Japanese troops committing all these atrocities. No need for any Pity Party for them at all.

Japanese Internment: Why It Was a Good Idea--And the Lessons It Offers Today

For years, it has been my position that the threat of radical Islam implies an imperative to focus security measures on Muslims. If searching for rapists, one looks only at the male population. Similarly, if searching for Islamists (adherents of radical Islam), one looks at the Muslim...

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Denying that the treatment of ethnic Japanese resulted from legitimate national security concerns, this lobby has established that it resulted solely from a combination of"wartime hysteria" and"racial prejudice." As radical groups like the American Civil Liberties Union wield this interpretation, in the words of Michelle Malkin,"like a bludgeon over the War on Terror debate," they pre-empt efforts to build an effective defense against today's Islamist enemy.

Fortunately, the intrepid Ms. Malkin, a columnist and specialist on immigration issues, has re-opened the internment file. Her recently published book, bearing the provocative title In Defense of Internment: The Case for Racial Profiling in World War II and the War on Terror (Regnery), starts with the unarguable premise that in time of war,"the survival of the nation comes first." From there, she draws the corollary that"Civil liberties are not sacrosanct."

She then reviews the historical record of the early 1940s and finds that:

.... and a list of reasons follow.

In Defense of Internment - The Case for 'Racial Profiling' in World War II and the War on Terror - Regnery Publishing

Everything you've been taught about the World War II "internment camps" in America is wrong:They were not created primarily because of racism or wartime hyst...

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[Unkotare]

"During World War II, some members of the United States military mutilated dead Japanese service personnel in the Pacific theater. The mutilation of Japanese service personnel included the taking of body parts as "war souvenirs" and "war trophies". Teeth and skulls were the most commonly taken "trophies", although other body parts were also collected.

The phenomenon of "trophy-taking" was widespread enough that discussion of it featured prominently in magazines and newspapers....The behavior was officially prohibited by the U.S. military, which issued additional guidance as early as 1942 condemning it specifically...."

 

[AZrailwhale]

Naval blockade
Demonstration detonation over Tokyo Bay or some rural area
Pursuing the possibility of a negotiated surrender by Japan far sooner

Was There a Diplomatic Alternative? The Atomic Bombing and Japan's Surrender - The Asia-Pacific Journal: Japan Focus

[…]

apjjf.org

Naval blockade that starves millions of Japanese civilians and ALL the allied POWs in Japan. What little food there would be would go to the military. Demonstration nuke strikes would still kill thousands of civilians. Not to mention causing blindness and radiological poisoning on hundreds of thousands down wind from the blast. Japan was and is a densely populated country. Those options are worse than Hiroshima and Nagasaki where damage was limited by the topography.