10 no-nos Christians do.

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Interesting, sounds like Republicans aren't true Christians.

10 POLITICAL Things You Can't Do While Following Jesus

 

[Oddball]

The State isn't God.

Suck it, Philistine blasphemers.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The State isn't God.

Suck it, Philistine blasphemers.

The state is necessary to combat ungodly acts, like murder, robbery, crime, abortion, porn, prostitution, drug dealers etc.

 

[Oddball]

The State isn't God.

Suck it, Philistine blasphemers.

The state is necessary to combat ungodly acts, like murder, robbery, crime, abortion, porn, prostitution, drug dealers etc.

Entirely beside the point.....The bulk of your sorry-assed (and quite stale, BTW) list entails The State stepping in and doing by compulsion, things that are better left to people operating in a volitional society.....It disingenuously and condescendingly asserts that if The State didn't do those things, then nobody would do them at all.

So take your worn out phony statist piety and shove it up your Polack ass.

 

[EvMetro]

One of the really interesting things about the only moral authority in the world is that the bar is set VERY high. So high in fact that all of us Christians who preach his standard cannot live up to it ourselves. We have had to accept that we are all sinners, and then do everything we can to pass the standard along to our young. I love having and preaching a standard, even if it is the only standard in the world, and one that I cannot even live up to. Sure I can be called a hypocrite, but only by people who have no standard.

 

[irosie91]

Interesting, sounds like Republicans aren't true Christians.

10 POLITICAL Things You Can't Do While Following Jesus

10) Force your religious beliefs and practices on others.

One of the strengths of the faith Jesus taught was in its meekness. The faith he taught valued free will over compulsion – because that's how love works. Compelling people to follow any religion, more or less your personal religion, stands over and against the way Jesus practiced his faith. If you are using the government to compel people to practice your spiritual beliefs, you might be the reason baby Jesus is crying. This does get tricky. There is a difference in letting your beliefs inform your political choices and letting your politics enforce your religion. This article is about the first part.

true---as a Pharisee jesus disdained overt proselytizing

9) Advocate for war.

There's a reason why he was called the Prince of Peace. Sure, you can quote, “I did not come to bring peace, but a sword,” and even two or three other verses, but they don't hold a candle to the more than fifty-some verses where Jesus speaks about peace and peacemaking. It's funny how things keep coming back to love but it needs to be said, it is way far away from loving a person to kill them. I guess there's a reason why we say, “God is love.” In the end, love wins.

true---as a Pharisee, Jesus did not support aggression

8) Favor the rich over the poor.

This is actually related to #4. Favoring the rich over the poor is a slap in the face of Jesus, his life, and his teachings. In terms of the teachings of Jesus, it is bad enough when we allow the rich to take advantage of the poor, but when we create laws that not only encourage the behavior but also protect it? Well, let's just say it becomes crystal clear how ironic it is that we print, “In God We Trust,” on our money.

true again
7) Cut funding that hurts the least of these.

To some degree, this is the inverse of #8. Favoring the rich is despicable. We Jesus minions should avoid it. Hurting the poor? Well, that's just … just ... um, something a whole lot worse than despicable. Despicabler? Über-despicable? When Jesus said, “Whatever you do to the least of these, you do it to me,” he meant it. When you cut funding and it hurts people, according to Jesus, you are hurting him.

simple pharisee

6) Let people go hungry.

Well, well, well. What have we here? Is this an item from the original top ten list which I claimed was not politically motivated? Looks like I've stepped into my own clever trap! Muh wah ha ha! Seriously though, of course it's on both lists. It is a spiritual issue and it is a political issue. Spiritually, Gandhi said, “There are people in the world so hungry, that God cannot appear to them except in the form of bread.” Politically, hunger causes problems with education, production, and civil behavior that are all necessary for a successful nation. More importantly for Christians, Jesus said when we feed the hungry, we are feeding him. So, yes, this item is on both lists – and I'm going to do it again.

Absolutely----the denial of food to the starving is----according to Pharisee
doctrine ---a gross sin-----one could not prevent people from taking food
from the corners of the cultivated field

5) Withhold healthcare from people.

This time I'm not only repeating an item, I'm repeating a lot of what I said. Did you ever play the game “Follow the Leader?" If you don't do what the leader does, you are out. Following means you should imitate as closely as possible. When people who were sick needed care, Jesus gave it to them. If we are following Jesus, we will imitate him as closely as possible. No, the government can't repeat the miracles he did but I've seen modern medicine do things that are about as close to a miracle as I expect to get. While the government can't do miracles, it can supply modern medicine. Every year, 45,000 people die in the U.S. because of the lack of healthcare . We Christians like to talk about “saving” people. Well, I know of about 45,000 people who'd love for us to do it and we should – because that's how love works.

they did not have ---blue cross/blue shield or medicare in those days----
but aiding the sick or endangered could not be compromised even if
it meant violation of ritual law

4) Limit the rights of a select group of people.

-----except for pigs "CAST NOT YOUR PEARLS BEFORE PIGS"

"

Jesus loves everybody – but he loves me best. Kind of sits the wrong way with you, doesn't it? Well, it should and with good reason. If you spend any time reading the Bible you know that we all were made in God's image. Exactly which part of us is in God's image is less clear, but what is clear is that we were equally made in the image of God. Any law that doesn't treat people equally is as good as thumbing your nose at God. Even worse? Doing it in the name of God or based on religious beliefs (see #10).

3) Turn away immigrants.

Christian heritage runs through Judaism. We are an immigrant people. Even our religion began somewhere else. Our spiritual ancestors, Abraham and Sarah, were told by God to pick up what they had and start traveling. Moses, Miriam, and Aaron led a nation out of Egypt, into the desert and ultimately to new lands. Even Jesus spent part of his childhood as a foreigner in a foreign land. As Exodus says, we know how it feels to be foreigners in a foreign land. If you don't think being foreigners in a foreign land is still our story, ask the Native Americans. At best, turning away immigrants makes us hypocrites; at worst, it makes us betrayers of our ancestors and our God.

Jesus did not address this issue

2) Devalue education.

true---Pharisees favor universal literacy

We learn in Proverbs that wisdom is something in which God delights daily. As a matter of fact, according to Proverbs, wisdom is better than gold. When you look at the percentage of our budget that goes to education and at what Congress is trying to do to student loans, it's pretty clear that delighting in wisdom is something our government no longer does.

proverbs is mostly king solomon

1) Support capital punishment — execution.

Jesus died by execution. He was an innocent man. Every year, innocent people die by execution in our nation. It's time to be a shining city on a hill. It's time to express the fullness of love, to express the value of life. It's time to stop the government-sanctioned killing.

true----the Pharisee partyline was to avoid execution at all costs-----
Murder was reduced to manslaughter and the penalty was
temporary exile to designated "cities of refuge". Just about
everything else was treated something like we treat civil matters

 

[depotoo]

Jesus never ordained the govt was to care for the poor. He said that was the responsibility of His followers. Plain and simple. And we can see why. The govt does much of nothing well, but line the pockets of those passing out the assistance, more than anyone else.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Jesus never ordained the govt was to care for the poor. He said that was the responsibility of His followers. Plain and simple. And we can see why. The govt does much of nothing well, but line the pockets of those passing out the assistance, more than anyone else.

Jesus was clearly not a Capitalist, having supported the poor & gone nuts in a bank.

 

[depotoo]

Jesus never ordained the govt was to care for the poor. He said that was the responsibility of His followers. Plain and simple. And we can see why. The govt does much of nothing well, but line the pockets of those passing out the assistance, more than anyone else.

Jesus was clearly not a Capitalist, having supported the poor & gone nuts in a bank.

Christian Capitalists share their bounty with those that are less fortunate, through giving, foundations, etc.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Interesting, sounds like Republicans aren't true Christians.

10 POLITICAL Things You Can't Do While Following Jesus

Though there are some good points in that article, and in its prequel, what the author gets completely wrong is the disconnect between the religious principles he preaches, and the realities concerning the legitimate role of government, and the needs of governing a free and secure state.

Much of both articles seem to focus on the idea that it is government's role to provide “charity”; it is not. Jesus did not say, nor do I believe he would have said, that we should have government forcibly take resources from someone who worked to earn it, to be given to those who did not, no matter how deserving. He urged us to be generous in giving out of what is legitimately our own to give, in order to help those in need.

Jesus also did not ever say that a sovereign nation should allow itself to be overrun by foreign invaders, and again, I very much doubt if he would have advocated that.

I don't think Jesus would have advocated, either, that any society allow immoral sexual practices to become normalized and regarded as acceptable. Keep in mind how strict the Old Testament standards were, and how harshly the Israelites were commanded to enforce them. In our society, today, we are seeing the tragic consequences of failing to uphold basic standards of morality and decency; in the form of an absurdly-high rate of illegitimacy, leading to drug abuse, crime, poverty, and all manner of related social ills.

There's much more to be said, than I am going to go into at this time. I tend to regard it as borderline blasphemous to try to cite Jesus in supporting a secular political position, and to imply that he would have agreed with that position. Jesus wasn't about politics. Many of the political policy positions which Jesus is often thus cited in support of are positions which, while they can be claimed to be based on good intentions with which Jesus might approve, are policies which, in practice, have been proven over and over again not to have the desired effect, and to cause more harm than good. Surely, if Jesus was going to preach politics, he would be wise enough to avoid supporting those that wouldn't work; unlike those who foolishly claim that Jesus would support such positions.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Interesting, sounds like Republicans aren't true Christians.

10 POLITICAL Things You Can't Do While Following Jesus

Though there are some good points in that article, and in its prequel, what the author gets completely wrong is the disconnect between the religious principles he preaches, and the realities concerning the legitimate role of government, and the needs of governing a free and secure state.

Much of both articles seem to focus on the idea that it is government's role to provide “charity”; it is not. Jesus did not say, nor do I believe he would have said, that we should have government forcibly take resources from someone who worked to earn it, to be given to those who did not, no matter how deserving. He urged us to be generous in giving out of what is legitimately our own to give, in order to help those in need.

Jesus also did not ever say that a sovereign nation should allow itself to be overrun by foreign invaders, and again, I very much doubt if he would have advocated that.

I don't think Jesus would have advocated, either, that any society allow immoral sexual practices to become normalized and regarded as acceptable. Keep in mind how strict the Old Testament standards were, and how harshly the Israelites were commanded to enforce them. In our society, today, we are seeing the tragic consequences of failing to uphold basic standards of morality and decency; in the form of an absurdly-high rate of illegitimacy, leading to drug abuse, crime, poverty, and all manner of related social ills.

There's much more to be said, than I am going to go into at this time. I tend to regard it as borderline blasphemous to try to cite Jesus in supporting a secular political position, and to imply that he would have agreed with that position. Jesus wasn't about politics.

That's about the only thing I disagree with.

Biblical Phinehas advocated for Nationalist Separation.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Interesting, sounds like Republicans aren't true Christians.

10 POLITICAL Things You Can't Do While Following Jesus

10) Force your religious beliefs and practices on others.

One of the strengths of the faith Jesus taught was in its meekness. The faith he taught valued free will over compulsion – because that's how love works. Compelling people to follow any religion, more or less your personal religion, stands over and against the way Jesus practiced his faith. If you are using the government to compel people to practice your spiritual beliefs, you might be the reason baby Jesus is crying. This does get tricky. There is a difference in letting your beliefs inform your political choices and letting your politics enforce your religion. This article is about the first part.

true---as a Pharisee jesus disdained overt proselytizing

9) Advocate for war.

There's a reason why he was called the Prince of Peace. Sure, you can quote, “I did not come to bring peace, but a sword,” and even two or three other verses, but they don't hold a candle to the more than fifty-some verses where Jesus speaks about peace and peacemaking. It's funny how things keep coming back to love but it needs to be said, it is way far away from loving a person to kill them. I guess there's a reason why we say, “God is love.” In the end, love wins.

true---as a Pharisee, Jesus did not support aggression

8) Favor the rich over the poor.

This is actually related to #4. Favoring the rich over the poor is a slap in the face of Jesus, his life, and his teachings. In terms of the teachings of Jesus, it is bad enough when we allow the rich to take advantage of the poor, but when we create laws that not only encourage the behavior but also protect it? Well, let's just say it becomes crystal clear how ironic it is that we print, “In God We Trust,” on our money.

true again
7) Cut funding that hurts the least of these.

To some degree, this is the inverse of #8. Favoring the rich is despicable. We Jesus minions should avoid it. Hurting the poor? Well, that's just … just ... um, something a whole lot worse than despicable. Despicabler? Über-despicable? When Jesus said, “Whatever you do to the least of these, you do it to me,” he meant it. When you cut funding and it hurts people, according to Jesus, you are hurting him.

simple pharisee

6) Let people go hungry.

Well, well, well. What have we here? Is this an item from the original top ten list which I claimed was not politically motivated? Looks like I've stepped into my own clever trap! Muh wah ha ha! Seriously though, of course it's on both lists. It is a spiritual issue and it is a political issue. Spiritually, Gandhi said, “There are people in the world so hungry, that God cannot appear to them except in the form of bread.” Politically, hunger causes problems with education, production, and civil behavior that are all necessary for a successful nation. More importantly for Christians, Jesus said when we feed the hungry, we are feeding him. So, yes, this item is on both lists – and I'm going to do it again.

Absolutely----the denial of food to the starving is----according to Pharisee
doctrine ---a gross sin-----one could not prevent people from taking food
from the corners of the cultivated field

5) Withhold healthcare from people.

This time I'm not only repeating an item, I'm repeating a lot of what I said. Did you ever play the game “Follow the Leader?" If you don't do what the leader does, you are out. Following means you should imitate as closely as possible. When people who were sick needed care, Jesus gave it to them. If we are following Jesus, we will imitate him as closely as possible. No, the government can't repeat the miracles he did but I've seen modern medicine do things that are about as close to a miracle as I expect to get. While the government can't do miracles, it can supply modern medicine. Every year, 45,000 people die in the U.S. because of the lack of healthcare . We Christians like to talk about “saving” people. Well, I know of about 45,000 people who'd love for us to do it and we should – because that's how love works.

they did not have ---blue cross/blue shield or medicare in those days----
but aiding the sick or endangered could not be compromised even if
it meant violation of ritual law

4) Limit the rights of a select group of people.

-----except for pigs "CAST NOT YOUR PEARLS BEFORE PIGS"

"

Jesus loves everybody – but he loves me best. Kind of sits the wrong way with you, doesn't it? Well, it should and with good reason. If you spend any time reading the Bible you know that we all were made in God's image. Exactly which part of us is in God's image is less clear, but what is clear is that we were equally made in the image of God. Any law that doesn't treat people equally is as good as thumbing your nose at God. Even worse? Doing it in the name of God or based on religious beliefs (see #10).

3) Turn away immigrants.

Christian heritage runs through Judaism. We are an immigrant people. Even our religion began somewhere else. Our spiritual ancestors, Abraham and Sarah, were told by God to pick up what they had and start traveling. Moses, Miriam, and Aaron led a nation out of Egypt, into the desert and ultimately to new lands. Even Jesus spent part of his childhood as a foreigner in a foreign land. As Exodus says, we know how it feels to be foreigners in a foreign land. If you don't think being foreigners in a foreign land is still our story, ask the Native Americans. At best, turning away immigrants makes us hypocrites; at worst, it makes us betrayers of our ancestors and our God.

Jesus did not address this issue

2) Devalue education.

true---Pharisees favor universal literacy

We learn in Proverbs that wisdom is something in which God delights daily. As a matter of fact, according to Proverbs, wisdom is better than gold. When you look at the percentage of our budget that goes to education and at what Congress is trying to do to student loans, it's pretty clear that delighting in wisdom is something our government no longer does.

proverbs is mostly king solomon

1) Support capital punishment — execution.

Jesus died by execution. He was an innocent man. Every year, innocent people die by execution in our nation. It's time to be a shining city on a hill. It's time to express the fullness of love, to express the value of life. It's time to stop the government-sanctioned killing.

true----the Pharisee partyline was to avoid execution at all costs-----
Murder was reduced to manslaughter and the penalty was
temporary exile to designated "cities of refuge". Just about
everything else was treated something like we treat civil matters

1 we spend $trillions on the poor
2 we have a 100% right to control our borders and immigration
3 we protect minority civil rights, but the Left demands racial discrimination in employment and education

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

We should judge religions by their body count.
Islam and Catholicism have killed and oppressed the most people.

 

[ChemEngineer]

]Christian Capitalists share their bounty with those that are less fortunate, through giving, foundations, etc.

And Leftists do not, as proven by professor Arthur C. Brooks in his book,
Who Really Cares: America's Charity Divide, Who Gives, Who Doesn't and Why It Matters

Christians give a great deal more than atheists, and not only to churches, but also to secular non-profits, to family, to friends and even to blood banks. Christians give more of their time as well. Leftists think that when they proclaim government bounty with their loud mouths that they are giving. Not remotely.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

We should judge religions by their body count.
Islam and Catholicism have killed and oppressed the most people.

Spoken like a typical dumb Protestant.

Not Catholicism.
Rather a mix of Islam, Protestantism & Atheism killed the most people in totals.
On a per capita basis, the Synagogue of Satan did.

 

[ChemEngineer]

We should judge religions by their body count.
Islam and Catholicism have killed and oppressed the most people.

Atheist communism - 60,000,000 killed in China
40,000,000 killed in USSR
70,000,000 killed by atheist Nazis
20,000,000 killed by Japanese fanatics who thought their emperor was god
3,000,000 killed by atheist Pol Pot
30,000,000 unborn babies killed by the Godless Left in American abortion clinics, and this grisly toll climbs daily

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

We should judge religions by their body count.
Islam and Catholicism have killed and oppressed the most people.

Atheist communism - 60,000,000 killed in China
40,000,000 killed in USSR
70,000,000 killed by atheist Nazis
20,000,000 killed by Japanese fanatics who thought their emperor was god
3,000,000 killed by atheist Pol Pot
30,000,000 unborn babies killed by the Godless Left in American abortion clinics, and this grisly toll climbs daily

Agree with some, but not everything.

Nazis weren't Atheist, but rather Lutheran dominated, and Pagan dominated in it's upper ranks.

British Protestants in the British Empire killed 60 million in Raj India alone by their terror famines, that doesn't begin to speak of all their mass murders around the globe.

Protestants like Methodist Warren Burger are responsible for Abortion of 30 million in the United States, and another 20 - 30 million in wars since WW2.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

We should judge religions by their body count.
Islam and Catholicism have killed and oppressed the most people.

Atheist communism - 60,000,000 killed in China
40,000,000 killed in USSR
70,000,000 killed by atheist Nazis
20,000,000 killed by Japanese fanatics who thought their emperor was god
3,000,000 killed by atheist Pol Pot
30,000,000 unborn babies killed by the Godless Left in American abortion clinics, and this grisly toll climbs daily

U R correct.Governments have killed and oppressed the most.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

We should judge religions by their body count.
Islam and Catholicism have killed and oppressed the most people.

Atheist communism - 60,000,000 killed in China
40,000,000 killed in USSR
70,000,000 killed by atheist Nazis
20,000,000 killed by Japanese fanatics who thought their emperor was god
3,000,000 killed by atheist Pol Pot
30,000,000 unborn babies killed by the Godless Left in American abortion clinics, and this grisly toll climbs daily

U R correct.Governments have killed and oppressed the most.

Abortion is a liberty.
Illegal Immigration is a deregulation AKA a Liberty & Individualist approach.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Jesus never ordained the govt was to care for the poor. He said that was the responsibility of His followers. Plain and simple. And we can see why. The govt does much of nothing well, but line the pockets of those passing out the assistance, more than anyone else.

Jesus was clearly not a Capitalist, having supported the poor & gone nuts in a bank.

Christian Capitalists share their bounty with those that are less fortunate, through giving, foundations, etc.

LOL, Capitalism / Libertarianism / Individual freedom is a disgrace.

- Outsourcing American made jobs by Christians to a hostile Atheist China.
- Amazon killing 1 million retail jobs.
- Hiring millions of foreigner Illegals & Legals to culturally replace us.
- Abortion
- Porn
- Prostitution
- Media pushing Liberalism & degeneracy.
- Hollywood pushing smut films
- Music industry Gangster rap music.
- Gay Bar & Gay Tavern owners.
- Facebook Liberalism.
- Google Liberalism.
- Sex change operations.
- Polluting God's green Earth.
- Destroying the God's forests to make way for mostly farming Animals to be eaten.
- Processed foods & sugary foods causing obesity, sloth & diabetes.
- Drug dealers.
- Capitalists selling Che Guevara T-Shirts.