10 states where Obamacare wipes out existing healthcare plans

[ScreamingEagle]

President Barack Obama famously promised, “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.” He later got even more specific.

“If you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who already have health insurance through your job, or Medicare, or Medicaid, or the VA, nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have,” Obama said.

But as Obamacare’s rollout approaches, we have learned this is not true. Here are the ten states where consumers may like their health care plans, but they won’t be able to keep them.

1) California: 58,000 will lose their plans under Obamacare. The first bomb dropped in California with a mass exodus from the most populated state’s Obamacare exchange. Aetna, the country’s third largest insurer, left first in July and was closely followed by UnitedHealth. Anthem Blue Cross pulled out of California’s Obamacare exchange for small businesses as well.

Fifty-four percent of Californians expect to lose their coverage, according to an August poll.

2) Missouri: Patients of the state’s largest hospital system — which spans 13 hospitals including the St. Louis Children’s Hospital — will not be covered by the largest insurer on Obamacare exchanges, Anthem BlueCross BlueShield. Anthem covers 79,000 patients in Missouri who may seek subsidies on Obamacare exchanges, but won’t be able to see any doctors in the BJC HealthCare system.

3) Connecticut: Aetna, the third largest insurer in the nation, won’t offer insurance on the Obamacare exchange in its own home state, where it was founded in 1850. The reason? “We believe the modification to the rates filed by Aetna will not allow us to collect enough premiums to cover the cost of the plans and meet the service expectations of our customers,” said Aetna spokesman Susan Millerick.

Read more: Ten states where Obamacare wipes out health care plans | The Daily Caller

 

[Ava]

President Barack Obama famously promised, “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.” He later got even more specific.

“If you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who already have health insurance through your job, or Medicare, or Medicaid, or the VA, nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have,” Obama said.

But as Obamacare’s rollout approaches, we have learned this is not true. Here are the ten states where consumers may like their health care plans, but they won’t be able to keep them.

1) California: 58,000 will lose their plans under Obamacare. The first bomb dropped in California with a mass exodus from the most populated state’s Obamacare exchange. Aetna, the country’s third largest insurer, left first in July and was closely followed by UnitedHealth. Anthem Blue Cross pulled out of California’s Obamacare exchange for small businesses as well.

Fifty-four percent of Californians expect to lose their coverage, according to an August poll.

2) Missouri: Patients of the state’s largest hospital system — which spans 13 hospitals including the St. Louis Children’s Hospital — will not be covered by the largest insurer on Obamacare exchanges, Anthem BlueCross BlueShield. Anthem covers 79,000 patients in Missouri who may seek subsidies on Obamacare exchanges, but won’t be able to see any doctors in the BJC HealthCare system.

3) Connecticut: Aetna, the third largest insurer in the nation, won’t offer insurance on the Obamacare exchange in its own home state, where it was founded in 1850. The reason? “We believe the modification to the rates filed by Aetna will not allow us to collect enough premiums to cover the cost of the plans and meet the service expectations of our customers,” said Aetna spokesman Susan Millerick.

Read more: Ten states where Obamacare wipes out health care plans | The Daily Caller

Old news. There are probably many more, now???

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...t-existing-health-care-plans.html#post7909846

 

[ScreamingEagle]

President Barack Obama famously promised, “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.” He later got even more specific.

“If you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who already have health insurance through your job, or Medicare, or Medicaid, or the VA, nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have,” Obama said.

But as Obamacare’s rollout approaches, we have learned this is not true. Here are the ten states where consumers may like their health care plans, but they won’t be able to keep them.

1) California: 58,000 will lose their plans under Obamacare. The first bomb dropped in California with a mass exodus from the most populated state’s Obamacare exchange. Aetna, the country’s third largest insurer, left first in July and was closely followed by UnitedHealth. Anthem Blue Cross pulled out of California’s Obamacare exchange for small businesses as well.

Fifty-four percent of Californians expect to lose their coverage, according to an August poll.

2) Missouri: Patients of the state’s largest hospital system — which spans 13 hospitals including the St. Louis Children’s Hospital — will not be covered by the largest insurer on Obamacare exchanges, Anthem BlueCross BlueShield. Anthem covers 79,000 patients in Missouri who may seek subsidies on Obamacare exchanges, but won’t be able to see any doctors in the BJC HealthCare system.

3) Connecticut: Aetna, the third largest insurer in the nation, won’t offer insurance on the Obamacare exchange in its own home state, where it was founded in 1850. The reason? “We believe the modification to the rates filed by Aetna will not allow us to collect enough premiums to cover the cost of the plans and meet the service expectations of our customers,” said Aetna spokesman Susan Millerick.

Read more: Ten states where Obamacare wipes out health care plans | The Daily Caller

Old news. There are probably many more, now???

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...t-existing-health-care-plans.html#post7909846

enough time for Obamacare supporters to have a cogent response....if they have one.....waiting......

 

[Vox]

By 2018 ALL traditional insurance plans through the employer are supposed to wiped out.

ALL OF THEM.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

By 2018 ALL traditional insurance plans through the employer are supposed to wiped out.

ALL OF THEM.

so the admitted goal is to wipe out one sixth of our free market economy and place it under government control.....? link...?

 

[Vox]

By 2018 ALL traditional insurance plans through the employer are supposed to wiped out.

ALL OF THEM.

so the admitted goal is to wipe out one sixth of our free market economy and place it under government control.....? link...?

ACA law

 

[ScreamingEagle]

By 2018 ALL traditional insurance plans through the employer are supposed to wiped out.

ALL OF THEM.

so the admitted goal is to wipe out one sixth of our free market economy and place it under government control.....? link...?

ACA law

so far we actually appear to be headed toward a 'two-tier' healthcare system......the public exchanges for Obamacare and separate private exchanges.....

this could possibly be a good thing if the private exchanges are allowed to survive...

 

[Vox]

so the admitted goal is to wipe out one sixth of our free market economy and place it under government control.....? link...?

ACA law

so far we actually appear to be headed toward a 'two-tier' healthcare system......the public exchanges for Obamacare and separate private exchanges.....

this could possibly be a good thing if the private exchanges are allowed to survive...

nope. the whole aim is the single payer system. It does not happen overnight - first you have to wipe out the existing plans under employer:
Obamacare Tax Aimed At 'Cadillac Plans' Will Hurt Ordinary Workers: Report
One Obamacare provision targeting employers that offer overly generous insurance could wind up costing Americans with pretty ordinary health plans, a new report finds.
[The tax] was sold as being on 'Cadillac Coverage.' The idea was that there were some people out there that are getting thousands and thousands of dollars worth health insurance premiums,” said Elise Gould, the director of health policy research at EPI and the author of the report. “But the reality is that health insurance premiums can be expensive for many different reasons, not just because they have generous coverage.”

The tax kicks in once an employer-sponsored plan is valued at over $10,200 for an individual and 27,500 for a family, according to The Washington Post. The employer pays a 40 percent tax on the difference between the threshold and the value of the plan.
The tax on high-cost plans is the largest long-term tax increase in the law, according to WaPo's Ezra Klein. It takes effect in 2018 and aims to tax “unusually expensive, employer-provided health insurance plans,” Klein wrote in a post last year.

But because the tax is focused on high premiums, not high levels of coverage, companies that tend to pay higher premiums -- like small businesses and employers with a high proportion of sick workers -- could wind up paying the tax even though their benefits aren’t particularly generous, the EPI study found.

And that is the whole point of it - wiping off the employer-based insurance in 2018 entirely.

P.S. Note my source

 

[theDoctorisIn]

By 2018 ALL traditional insurance plans through the employer are supposed to wiped out.

ALL OF THEM.

so the admitted goal is to wipe out one sixth of our free market economy and place it under government control.....? link...?

ACA law

Um no.

There's nothing like that it the law.

 

[Vox]

so the admitted goal is to wipe out one sixth of our free market economy and place it under government control.....? link...?

ACA law

Um no.

There's nothing like that it the law.

Um yes.

educate yourself first

 

[theDoctorisIn]

ACA law

Um no.

There's nothing like that it the law.

Um yes.

educate yourself first

No, there isn't.

Feel free to explain how the tax on "cadilliac plans" will "wipe out" employer insurance.

 

[Vox]

Um no.

There's nothing like that it the law.

Um yes.

educate yourself first

No, there isn't.

Feel free to explain how the tax on "cadilliac plans" will "wipe out" employer insurance.

yes, there is.
an exact provision which kicks in 2018.

Learn to read

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Um yes.

educate yourself first

No, there isn't.

Feel free to explain how the tax on "cadilliac plans" will "wipe out" employer insurance.

yes, there is.
an exact provision which kicks in 2018.

Learn to read

What should I "read"?

Perhaps you can post this "provision" from the ACA.

 

[Vox]

No, there isn't.

Feel free to explain how the tax on "cadilliac plans" will "wipe out" employer insurance.

yes, there is.
an exact provision which kicks in 2018.

Learn to read

What should I "read"?

Perhaps you can post this "provision" from the ACA.

I provided the link.

If you are such an idiot that you think a plan which is 12K per year is a cadillac one, you have a problem with a basic comprehension of the reality.

check the exchanges and the deductibles they are offering - and then you can figure if a plan over 10,200 ( a kicking out point for a 40% tax) is a "cadillac" one or just a BASIC one.

leftiardism is a mental disorder

 

[theDoctorisIn]

yes, there is.
an exact provision which kicks in 2018.

Learn to read

What should I "read"?

Perhaps you can post this "provision" from the ACA.

I provided the link.

If you are such an idiot that you think a plan which is 12K per year is a cadillac one, you have a problem with a basic comprehension of the reality.

check the exchanges and the deductibles they are offering - and then you can figure if a plan over 10,200 ( a kicking out point for a 40% tax) is a "cadillac" one or just a BASIC one.

leftiardism is a mental disorder

Less than 10% of employer provided insurance plans in the this country qualifies as a "cadillac plan".

None of the plans offered on the exchanges qualify as "cadillac plans".

 

[ScreamingEagle]

ACA law

so far we actually appear to be headed toward a 'two-tier' healthcare system......the public exchanges for Obamacare and separate private exchanges.....

this could possibly be a good thing if the private exchanges are allowed to survive...

nope. the whole aim is the single payer system. It does not happen overnight - first you have to wipe out the existing plans under employer:
Obamacare Tax Aimed At 'Cadillac Plans' Will Hurt Ordinary Workers: Report
One Obamacare provision targeting employers that offer overly generous insurance could wind up costing Americans with pretty ordinary health plans, a new report finds.
[The tax] was sold as being on 'Cadillac Coverage.' The idea was that there were some people out there that are getting thousands and thousands of dollars worth health insurance premiums,” said Elise Gould, the director of health policy research at EPI and the author of the report. “But the reality is that health insurance premiums can be expensive for many different reasons, not just because they have generous coverage.”

The tax kicks in once an employer-sponsored plan is valued at over $10,200 for an individual and 27,500 for a family, according to The Washington Post. The employer pays a 40 percent tax on the difference between the threshold and the value of the plan.
The tax on high-cost plans is the largest long-term tax increase in the law, according to WaPo's Ezra Klein. It takes effect in 2018 and aims to tax “unusually expensive, employer-provided health insurance plans,” Klein wrote in a post last year.

But because the tax is focused on high premiums, not high levels of coverage, companies that tend to pay higher premiums -- like small businesses and employers with a high proportion of sick workers -- could wind up paying the tax even though their benefits aren’t particularly generous, the EPI study found.

And that is the whole point of it - wiping off the employer-based insurance in 2018 entirely.

P.S. Note my source

of course i understand that the goal of Obamacare is single-payer....however if we can delay and diffuse that track of action we could aim for a better private system that people would actually like...and that does not necessarily mean "Cadillac" plans...but plans where people can still see their own doctor or go to their same hospital...and not be 'herded' into Obamacare clinics that are crowded and have long lines...

actually the Obamacare plans run the gamut from Bronze to Platinum but essentially they are the same plans....just different co-pays and deductibles...however the hospitals and doctors who will accept those plans are going to become more scarce as they go 'private'....much like doctors that don't accept Medicare patients anymore...

a private exchange could offer major medical plans at a decent price (with high deductibles) and if you combined that with health savings plans a person could pick his own choice of doctor and care on the free market....that way you would avoid the "Caddy" tax that seeks to squash private plans because your ordinary care will be paid by you in cash...

 

[theDoctorisIn]

so far we actually appear to be headed toward a 'two-tier' healthcare system......the public exchanges for Obamacare and separate private exchanges.....

this could possibly be a good thing if the private exchanges are allowed to survive...

nope. the whole aim is the single payer system. It does not happen overnight - first you have to wipe out the existing plans under employer:
Obamacare Tax Aimed At 'Cadillac Plans' Will Hurt Ordinary Workers: Report
One Obamacare provision targeting employers that offer overly generous insurance could wind up costing Americans with pretty ordinary health plans, a new report finds.
[The tax] was sold as being on 'Cadillac Coverage.' The idea was that there were some people out there that are getting thousands and thousands of dollars worth health insurance premiums,” said Elise Gould, the director of health policy research at EPI and the author of the report. “But the reality is that health insurance premiums can be expensive for many different reasons, not just because they have generous coverage.”

The tax kicks in once an employer-sponsored plan is valued at over $10,200 for an individual and 27,500 for a family, according to The Washington Post. The employer pays a 40 percent tax on the difference between the threshold and the value of the plan.
The tax on high-cost plans is the largest long-term tax increase in the law, according to WaPo's Ezra Klein. It takes effect in 2018 and aims to tax “unusually expensive, employer-provided health insurance plans,” Klein wrote in a post last year.

But because the tax is focused on high premiums, not high levels of coverage, companies that tend to pay higher premiums -- like small businesses and employers with a high proportion of sick workers -- could wind up paying the tax even though their benefits aren’t particularly generous, the EPI study found.

And that is the whole point of it - wiping off the employer-based insurance in 2018 entirely.

P.S. Note my source

of course i understand that the goal of Obamacare is single-payer....however if we can delay and diffuse that track of action we could aim for a better private system that people would actually like...and that does not necessarily mean "Cadillac" plans...but plans where people can still see their own doctor or go to their same hospital...and not be 'herded' into Obamacare clinics that are crowded and have long lines...

actually the Obamacare plans run the gamut from Bronze to Platinum but essentially they are the same plans....just different co-pays and deductibles...however the hospitals and doctors who will accept those plans are going to become more scarce as they go 'private'....much like doctors that don't accept Medicare patients anymore...

a private exchange could offer major medical plans at a decent price (with high deductibles) and if you combined that with health savings plans a person could pick his own choice of doctor and care on the free market....that way you would avoid the "Caddy" tax that seeks to squash private plans because your ordinary care will be paid by you in cash...

What the fuck are you talking about?

What "Obamacare clinics"?

Why do you think hospitals and doctors are going to stop taking insurance?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

nope. the whole aim is the single payer system. It does not happen overnight - first you have to wipe out the existing plans under employer:
Obamacare Tax Aimed At 'Cadillac Plans' Will Hurt Ordinary Workers: Report
One Obamacare provision targeting employers that offer overly generous insurance could wind up costing Americans with pretty ordinary health plans, a new report finds.
[The tax] was sold as being on 'Cadillac Coverage.' The idea was that there were some people out there that are getting thousands and thousands of dollars worth health insurance premiums,” said Elise Gould, the director of health policy research at EPI and the author of the report. “But the reality is that health insurance premiums can be expensive for many different reasons, not just because they have generous coverage.”

The tax kicks in once an employer-sponsored plan is valued at over $10,200 for an individual and 27,500 for a family, according to The Washington Post. The employer pays a 40 percent tax on the difference between the threshold and the value of the plan.
The tax on high-cost plans is the largest long-term tax increase in the law, according to WaPo's Ezra Klein. It takes effect in 2018 and aims to tax “unusually expensive, employer-provided health insurance plans,” Klein wrote in a post last year.

But because the tax is focused on high premiums, not high levels of coverage, companies that tend to pay higher premiums -- like small businesses and employers with a high proportion of sick workers -- could wind up paying the tax even though their benefits aren’t particularly generous, the EPI study found.

And that is the whole point of it - wiping off the employer-based insurance in 2018 entirely.

P.S. Note my source

of course i understand that the goal of Obamacare is single-payer....however if we can delay and diffuse that track of action we could aim for a better private system that people would actually like...and that does not necessarily mean "Cadillac" plans...but plans where people can still see their own doctor or go to their same hospital...and not be 'herded' into Obamacare clinics that are crowded and have long lines...

actually the Obamacare plans run the gamut from Bronze to Platinum but essentially they are the same plans....just different co-pays and deductibles...however the hospitals and doctors who will accept those plans are going to become more scarce as they go 'private'....much like doctors that don't accept Medicare patients anymore...

a private exchange could offer major medical plans at a decent price (with high deductibles) and if you combined that with health savings plans a person could pick his own choice of doctor and care on the free market....that way you would avoid the "Caddy" tax that seeks to squash private plans because your ordinary care will be paid by you in cash...

What the fuck are you talking about?

What "Obamacare clinics"?

Why do you think hospitals and doctors are going to stop taking insurance?

Doctors refuse to take on Medicare patients......why can't they refuse Obamacare patients as well.....?

Or is there something in the ACA that tells doctors they must work for the government...?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

of course i understand that the goal of Obamacare is single-payer....however if we can delay and diffuse that track of action we could aim for a better private system that people would actually like...and that does not necessarily mean "Cadillac" plans...but plans where people can still see their own doctor or go to their same hospital...and not be 'herded' into Obamacare clinics that are crowded and have long lines...

actually the Obamacare plans run the gamut from Bronze to Platinum but essentially they are the same plans....just different co-pays and deductibles...however the hospitals and doctors who will accept those plans are going to become more scarce as they go 'private'....much like doctors that don't accept Medicare patients anymore...

a private exchange could offer major medical plans at a decent price (with high deductibles) and if you combined that with health savings plans a person could pick his own choice of doctor and care on the free market....that way you would avoid the "Caddy" tax that seeks to squash private plans because your ordinary care will be paid by you in cash...

What the fuck are you talking about?

What "Obamacare clinics"?

Why do you think hospitals and doctors are going to stop taking insurance?

Doctors refuse to take on Medicare patients......why can't they refuse Obamacare patients as well.....?

Or is there something in the ACA that tells doctors they must work for the government...?

"Obamacare patients", by definition, have private health insurance. Why would a doctor refuse them?

The insurance plans you can buy on the exchanges are no different than the insurance you get from your employer.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

What the fuck are you talking about?

What "Obamacare clinics"?

Why do you think hospitals and doctors are going to stop taking insurance?

Doctors refuse to take on Medicare patients......why can't they refuse Obamacare patients as well.....?

Or is there something in the ACA that tells doctors they must work for the government...?

"Obamacare patients", by definition, have private health insurance. Why would a doctor refuse them?

The insurance plans you can buy on the exchanges are no different than the insurance you get from your employer.

then why are people losing their doctors.....?