Skylar
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Strawman. As when did I quote such a 'study' in the post you're replying to.
Shall we look at the states with the highest gun ownership rates together and see what their crime rates are? Then compare them to the states with the lowest. Top 10 vs. Lowest 10.
You know what the results are going to be.
Prove it. You're claiming a causative relationship. That concealed carry have decreased crime rates. But you can't establish causation. You merely allude to it. And none of the studies on the matter claim causation. They claim correlation.
You know the difference. But you really hope we don't.
Problem is....the States without concealed carry have seen reductions in crime as well. When the 'effect' of lower crime rates exists even when your imagined 'cause' of higher concealed carry permits doesn't.....your 'cause' isn't.
You're intentionally trying to claim causation when you know you can't prove it.
And please show us where your information comes from ….I have already pointed out it probably comes from the Violence Policy Center…an anti gun group….if it doesn't please link…..
You haven't 'pointed' anything out. You've made an allegation you can't back up. Refuting an argument I didn't make.
And of course, you still can't establish causation between higher concealed carry permits and and lower crime rates. As lower crimes rates occur without concealed carry permits.
And you know you can't establish causation. Which is why you refused to address it.
And here is the actual research showing that concealed carry lowers the crime rate…..
http://crimepreventionresearchcente...-Maryland-Law-Review-Lott-Concealed-Carry.pdf
Lott...list of papers...
Of course, the single paper that Shermer cites was mentioned and discussed at length in the review of the literature that Lott provided in More Guns, Less Crime (click on screen shots to make them larger). Unfortunately, Scientific American wasn’t willing to allow a link to this list of papers.
Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center
A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.
Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997
The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)
Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998
The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198
Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003
Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004
Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns
More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.
“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).
“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014
“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014
“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008
“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009
“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013
More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.
Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.
And quote your study claiming causation. even John R. Lott.....whose studies are paid for by the gun industry, doesn't claim causation. He claims correlation. You're spamming a block of links to studies you've never read, you can't quote....and that don't back your claims.
QUOTE the studies where they establish causation. As remember, the National Academy of Sciences has rejected Mr. Lott's methodology as lacking evidence for causation.
So let me guess.....the National Academy of Science contradicts you. So now you ignore the National Academy of Science. Have you ever heard of the cherry picking fallacy? Confirmation bias?
Because you're living it.
John Lott is not paid by the gun industry…that is a lie. And please link to the National Academy of Sciences that disputes Lott…..that would be helpful…….
And of course Lott isn't the only study to show this as that long list of studies show…and Lott didn't cherry pick his data…he looked at every single county in the United States….where as the anti gun researchers actually do cherry pick their info.
Oh, I'm sure its just a coincidence that Lott's fellowship at his college is paid for by the Olin Foundation, which is tied at the hip with the Olin Corporation....one of the largest manufacturers of ammunition in the country.
Laughing....how much of your brain did you have to shut down before your narrative started making sense?