12.8 million Americans carry guns for self defense….and crime is down again in 2014 says FBI...

[2aguy]

Yes…more Americans own guns….and crime is down again in the U.S. for the year 2014, the most recent year for crime stats.

FBI reports lower murder, crime rates in 2014 - CNNPolitics.com

The FBI report shows a 0.2% decline nationwide in violent crimes in 2014, with more than 11 million arrests made by police for almost a half-million violent crimes.

The report says that in 2014 the U.S. recorded the fewest murders since 2009. Most other violent crimes, such as robbery, burglary, theft and arson have declined, while aggravated assaults and rapes, which now includes a broader definition, were on the rise in 2014.

The 2014 numbers do not reflect an increase this year in murders and other violent crimes reported in some cities, such as Washington, Baltimore, Milwaukee and others.

Deputy Attorney General Sally Quillian Yates highlighted progress made for cities compared to decades past.

"We have witnessed a remarkable drop in crime since the 1980's -- both violent crime and crime overall. Entire cities have been transformed, unlocking tremendous potential and releasing a wave of prosperity," Yates said, adding that "even though crime is trending downward in most places, we are seeing pockets of rising violence in various locations across the country."

Anti gun extremists…..you can stop typing…I know…you will say this does not prove that Americans with guns lowered the crime rate……but it doesn't disprove it either, now does it.

Also….each time a state would vote to implement concealed or open carry, the anti gun extremists said it would lead to more violence, more blood in the streets and that every traffic fender bender would result in murder…..and they were wrong…..completely and utterly wrong….on all points.

No….Americans who are law abiding, normal and good people owning and carrying guns does not increase the crime rate….and in fact may actually help to lower it…more than a few studies show that it does lower crime rates…..especially for armed victims who are attacked by violent criminals…


Soooooo…good for you America….you are responsible gun owners…and you are keeping our Rights and freedom alive….

Murder has spiralled in 2015. Up an alarming amount.

You mean since the democrats have attacked the police and encouraged them to slow down and be less aggressive in their police work……and that New York City has stopped stop and frisk, the technique that kept their gang members from carrying guns…..?

 

[2aguy]

Oh and is anyone interested in comparing the crime rates of states with the highest gun ownership rates with the states with the lowest gun ownership rates?

If more guns equal less crime, it should be a slam dunk. Yet whenever I offer this challenge.......I get vague evasions and awkward excuses why you DON'T want to do the comparison.

Why is that, do you think?

Go ahead….no one is stopping you from trying…..show us your claim……..that is what I have always been told when I make a claim…..still waiting on yours…..

 

[2aguy]

So...if more guns mean less crime.....why doesn't it?

And the highest violent crime rates:

1) Alaska
2) New Mexico
3) Nevada
4) Tennessee
5) Louisiana
6) South Carolina
7) Delaware
8) Maryland
9) Florida
10) Arkansas

The Most Dangerous States in America

With 7 of the 10 having higher than average gun ownership rates. Including the Number 1 and Number 2 states with the highest gun ownership rates.

And the highest death by gun rates:

1) Louisiana
2) Mississippi
3) Alaska
4) Wyoming
5) Oklahoma
6) Montana
7) Arkansas
8) Alabama
9) New Mexico
10) South Carolina

States With the Most Gun Violence

Every single one in the top 20 states for gun ownership.

But more guns make you safer?

So...if more guns mean less crime.....why doesn't it?

And the highest violent crime rates:

1) Alaska
2) New Mexico
3) Nevada
4) Tennessee
5) Louisiana
6) South Carolina
7) Delaware
8) Maryland
9) Florida
10) Arkansas

The Most Dangerous States in America

With 7 of the 10 having higher than average gun ownership rates. Including the Number 1 and Number 2 states with the highest gun ownership rates.

And the highest death by gun rates:

1) Louisiana
2) Mississippi
3) Alaska
4) Wyoming
5) Oklahoma
6) Montana
7) Arkansas
8) Alabama
9) New Mexico
10) South Carolina

States With the Most Gun Violence

Every single one in the top 20 states for gun ownership.

But more guns make you safer?

Alaska…..the tribal towns don't have enough police……

Tenessee…..6 of the largest cities are controlled by democrats and their law enforcement policies…have been for decade

Louisiana….port city….and port cities around the world have higher crime rates…Marseilles, France and the port city in Australia for example…that is where all their gun crime is located….

Maryland…baltimore….strict gun control laws, they have everything that the gun grabbers want and the gun murder rate is on the rise because they have undermined the police and disarmed the citizens….democrat controlled for decades…

Florida…..crime rate is down to a 44 year low as they have been issuing 20,000 gun permits a month, they are now up to `1.5 million….


And then look at poverty rates and suicide rates….

 

[2aguy]

So...if more guns mean less crime.....why doesn't it?

And the highest violent crime rates:

1) Alaska
2) New Mexico
3) Nevada
4) Tennessee
5) Louisiana
6) South Carolina
7) Delaware
8) Maryland
9) Florida
10) Arkansas

The Most Dangerous States in America

With 7 of the 10 having higher than average gun ownership rates. Including the Number 1 and Number 2 states with the highest gun ownership rates.

And the highest death by gun rates:

1) Louisiana
2) Mississippi
3) Alaska
4) Wyoming
5) Oklahoma
6) Montana
7) Arkansas
8) Alabama
9) New Mexico
10) South Carolina

States With the Most Gun Violence

Every single one in the top 20 states for gun ownership.

But more guns make you safer?

Yeah…thought so….

States With the Most Gun Violence

Wyoming….94 gun deaths in the whole state…..and suicides…..notice it says gun violence……not gun murder…..

And the section says Wyoming is a relatively safe state………..

4. Wyoming
> Age-adjusted firearm death rate: 16.7 per 100,000
> Firearm deaths 2002-2011: 844 (7th lowest)
> 2011 Violent crime rate: 219.3 per 100,000 (7th lowest)
> Permit required to buy handgun: No
> Poverty rate: 12.6% (13th lowest)

In 2011, Wyoming reported just 96 firearms deaths, among the fewest of any state in the U.S. However, Wyoming is also the nation’s least populous state, with just over 567,000 residents as of 2011.


As a result, Wyoming’s firearm-related fatality rate was fourth highest, amounting to an age-adjusted 16.7 firearm deaths per 100,000 residents.

Additionally, there were 14.6 suicides per 100,000 residents that year, more than any state except for Montana and more than double the national rate of 6.2 firearm suicides per 100,000 people.

However, by many measures, Wyoming is a relatively safe state. There were just 219.3 violent crimes per 100,000 residents in 2011, versus some 386 crimes for every 100,000 Americans nationwide.



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And Alaska….

3. Alaska
> Age-adjusted firearm death rate: 16.9 per 100,000
> Firearm deaths 2002-2011: 1,227 (10th lowest)
> 2011 Violent crime rate: 606.5 per 100,000 (2nd highest)
> Permit required to buy handgun: No
> Poverty rate: 10.1% (2nd lowest)

Over the 10 years through to 2011, there were an average of 18.2 gun-related fatalities per 100,000 residents in Alaska each year, more than in all but one other state. Most of these fatalities, however, were not homicides.

The gun-related homicide rate was exceptionally low in Alaska, however, at just 2.4 deaths per 100,000 residents in 2011, versus a national rate of 3.6 homicides per 100,000 residents.


Despite the low firearm homicide rate, Alaska had nearly the highest violent crime rate in the nation, with 606.5 violent crimes reported per 100,000 in 2011, second only to Tennessee.

Like the majority of the nation, most of the gun-related fatalities in Alaska were suicides.


There were 13.5 firearm-related suicides per 100,000 state-residents in 2011, more than in all but two other states. Socioeconomically, Alaska was an exception. The state had among the highest educational attainment rates and median household incomes nationwide in 2012.


Sooo, your link is crap……….suicides account for most of the gun related deaths in these states…..you should read your links more closely…...

 

[2aguy]

We have seen this link before on the State violence rates and have shown it to be crap from your side of the discussion…..

 

[Dragonlady]

I live in Canada where it is very difficult to get a handgun permit, and almost impossible to get a concealed carry permit, and our crime rates are even lower than yours.

 

[2aguy]

I live in Canada where it is very difficult to get a handgun permit, and almost impossible to get a concealed carry permit, and our crime rates are even lower than yours.

That has nothing to do with access, since towns across the border from each other have low gun murder rates...and guns are easily gotten by gangs in Canada....

 

[2aguy]

I live in Canada where it is very difficult to get a handgun permit, and almost impossible to get a concealed carry permit, and our crime rates are even lower than yours.

It may be difficult for you to get a gun...it is easy for your criminals to get guns....

Canada gangs get guns easily

Guns too easy for Ottawa gangs to get, police say

Ottawa police believe more local gang members are carrying guns now than at any other time in the city's recent history, and low-quality, semi-automatic handguns smuggled in from the United States as the weapons of choice.

The handguns sell illegally for anywhere from $1,500 to more than $3,000 on the streets of Ottawa, and are too easy to buy, police said.

"If you are a well-connected criminal and you know who the people are to approach for these things, it could be as simple as making one phone call if you have the money available," said Sgt. Chris O'Brien, an Ottawa police officer with the provincial enforcement unit responsible for investigating guns used in crimes.



"It's a pervasive problem… Once one bad guy gets a gun, they're all going to want to get a gun in order to maintain competitiveness against the people that do have guns."

 

[Skylar]

Anti gun extremists…..you can stop typing…I know…you will say this does not prove that Americans with guns lowered the crime rate……but it doesn't disprove it either, now does it.

However...
More guns... less crime.
This - does - disprove the claim that more guns = more crime.

Then why is are their higher violent crime rates in states and death by gun rates in states with higher gun ownership rates?

You're looking at microcosms. I'm looking at the whole picture.
Crime, as you say, has dropped, nationwide, since 1991. The number of guns has gone up every year since then.
More guns and less crime disproves more guns = more crime.

A state is not a 'microcosms'.

I'm sorry that you do not like the fact that the number of guns in the US has gone up while crime in the US has gone down.

The obvious problem with your narrative....is there's nothing that indicates that the two have anything to do with each other.

Worse, the rate of gun deaths is higher in states with more guns. All of the top 10 states with the highest rates of gun deaths are top 20 gun ownership rate states. With 7 of the top 10 states with the highest rates of violent crime rates having above average gun ownership rates. And only 2 with lower.....with the last being pretty much dead on.

So if more guns equal less crime......why doesn't it?

 

[Skylar]

Here you go… a study that shows the effect of concealed carry….

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An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates

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Abstract
The purpose of the present study is to determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state-level murder rates.
Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states.
It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level. The results of this study are consistent with some prior research in this area, most notably Lott and Mustard (1997).

'And the results…..

IV. Results and Concluding Remarks

Results are presented on Table 1

. The CCW dummy variable is significant and positive, but the assault weap-
ons ban is insignificant.

Given that the average gun-
related murder rate over the period in question was
3.44, the results of the present study indicate that states
with more restrictive CCW laws had gun-related murder
rates that were 10% higher.

In addition, the Federal assault weapons ban is significant and positive, indicat-
ing that murder rates were 19.3% higher when the Federal ban was in effect.

These results corroborate the findings of Lott and Mustard (1997). These results sug-
gest that, even after controlling for unobservable state
and year fixed effects, limiting the ability to carry con-
cealed weapons may cause murder rates to increase.
There may, however, be other explanations for these

If concealed carry laws reduce crime.....then how do you explain the reduced crime rates in states with restrictive CCW laws?

Remember.....crime has gone down nation wide. States with unrestricted CCW laws, states without them. Everywhere. When your 'effect' exists regardless of your cause....your cause isn't.

And this is another Lott study. The man paid by the 'Orin Foundation', run by the family that owns the Orin Corporation, one of the nation's largest manufactures of gun ammunition.

With Lott's methodology so profoundly broken that he's concluded that murder, assault and car theft is more closely tied to the proportion black elderly women than teen age black males. Something contradicted by pretty much every criminaologist ever.

And of course, Lott concluded that crime rates are higher where its rural and depopulated. A conclusion explicitly contradicted by the FBI. Remember, if you're gonna cite Lott......you've got to cite the whole gift basket of bullshit that comes with it.

And question....is Lott still going online as "Mary Roch" to praise himself, give himself good book reviews, laud his own genius and agree with his own findings? Why would Lott need that kind of self admitted deception if Lott's claims could stand on their own?

 

[M14 Shooter]

I live in Canada where it is very difficult to get a handgun permit, and almost impossible to get a concealed carry permit, and our crime rates are even lower than yours.

So....?

 

[M14 Shooter]

However...
More guns... less crime.
This - does - disprove the claim that more guns = more crime.

Then why is are their higher violent crime rates in states and death by gun rates in states with higher gun ownership rates?

You're looking at microcosms. I'm looking at the whole picture.
Crime, as you say, has dropped, nationwide, since 1991. The number of guns has gone up every year since then.
More guns and less crime disproves more guns = more crime.

A state is not a 'microcosms'.

I'm sorry that you do not like the fact that the number of guns in the US has gone up while crime in the US has gone down.

The obvious problem with your narrative....is there's nothing that indicates that the two have anything to do with each other.

Which then must the hold true for your position as well.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You're stuck

On the contrary -- you are.
You made a claim. You based your counter on that claim.

Its my responsibility to provide stats for any facts that are in dispute

False -- it is your responsibility to provide substantiation for your claim when asked to do so.
But, you refuse to do so because you know you cannot.
Disagree?
Substantiate your claim that "States without concealed carry have seen reductions in crime as well"

Laughing....nope. Its my responsibility to substantiate with evidence any claim in dispute.

You made the claim that "States without concealed carry have seen reductions in crime as well".
It is your responsibility to prove that claim when asked to do so.
That is:
-List the states without concealed carry
-Show the reductions in crime in these states.
But, you will refuse to do so because you know you cannot.

 

[August West]

I live in Canada where it is very difficult to get a handgun permit, and almost impossible to get a concealed carry permit, and our crime rates are even lower than yours.

So....?

So? So dragonlady proves your full of shit with your more guns = less crime nonsense.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I live in Canada where it is very difficult to get a handgun permit, and almost impossible to get a concealed carry permit, and our crime rates are even lower than yours.

So....?

So? So dragonlady proves your full of shit with your more guns = less crime nonsense.

Excactly how did she do that?