151 years ago today: Democrats founded and staffed the Ku Klux Klan

[jc456]

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of State Rights, which has little to do with Slavery. It honors all of those who fought for their state rights, and apparently offends all of those who don't understand what the Civil War was about. Lots of good reasons to love the Confederate Flag.

The confederate flag is a symbol of slave owners dum dum

You didn't have to remind us you're an ignorant propaganda drone, it's already a well-known fact.

Only your silly party HAS a propaganda machine, dupe.

I had no idea that the MSM actually works directly with the RNC... oh wait, they don't. The MSM, as shown by the Wikileaks emails, works directly with the DNC, and takes orders from them. They are used to advance their agenda, which by definition is propaganda, making your statement, as usual, 100% false.

As a veteran of broadcasting over four decades let me assure you in no uncertain terms ----

Mass media takes its orders from one thing and one thing only and that one thing is ADVERTISING MONEY -- period, full stop, cue fat lady.

MSM is, for better or worse, and it's all worse, in the business for the purpose of making a profit. To that end it will broadcast whatever will sell --- because that's where its money comes from.

That's the entire reason, and the ONLY reason, you have fake wrestling and naked people on an island and Dancing with the Who Cares. MONEY. Nobody, I guarantee you NOBODY makes money from a political party or an ideology. There isn't even a way to do that.

you lost me here gene. how is getting revenue from tv advertisers why they put on the air what they do? huh? MSM is all biased ass cheap shits with no class, no integrity and finally no intelligence.

 

[jc456]

here's another link, I felt sorry for ya. i realized I asked you to do something well above your learning ability.

So from wikipedia:
Ku Klux Klan - Wikipedia

"The Ku Klux Klan (KKK), or simply "the Klan", is the name of three distinct movements in the United States that have advocated extremist reactionary currents such as white supremacy, white nationalism, anti-immigration, and, especially in later iterations, Nordicism,[7][8] anti-Catholicism,[9][10] and antisemitism,[10] historically expressed through terrorism aimed at groups or individuals whom they opposed.[11] All three movements have called for the "purification" of American society, and all are considered right wing extremist organizations.[12][13][14][15]

The first Klan flourished in the Southern United States in the late 1860s, then died out by the early 1870s. It sought to overthrow the Republican state governments in the South during the Reconstruction Era, especially by using violence against African American leaders. With numerous chapters across the South, it was suppressed around 1871, through federal law enforcement. Members made their own, often colorful, costumes: robes, masks, and conical hats, designed to be terrifying, and to hide their identities.[16][17]

The second group was founded in 1915, and flourished nationwide in the early and mid-1920s, particularly in urban areas of the Midwest and West. It was rooted in local Protestant communities and opposed Catholics and Jews, and stressed its opposition to the Catholic Church.[6] This second organization adopted a standard white costume and used code words which were similar to those used by the first Klan, while adding cross burnings and mass parades.

The third and current manifestation of the KKK emerged after 1950, in the form of small, local, unconnected groups that use the KKK name. They focused on opposition to the Civil Rights Movement, often using violence and murder to suppress activists. It is classified as a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center.[18] As of 2016, the Anti-Defamation League puts total Klan membership nationwide at around 3,000, while the Southern Poverty Law Center puts it at 6,000 members total.[19]

The second and third incarnations of the Ku Klux Klan made frequent references to America's "Anglo-Saxon" blood, hearkening back to 19th-century nativism.[20] Although members of the KKK swear to uphold Christian morality, virtually every Christian denomination has officially denounced the KKK.[21]"

Now post any link up that says they are republican. Just one!!

Nobody anywhere claimed Republicans founded the Klan, Asswiper. The OP tried to sell the one that "Democrats" did --- while then posting a link that directly contradicts his own claim. And you did too. Wana see? Let's have a look at YOUR OWN LINK here, Bubbles.

>> The first Klan was founded in Pulaski, Tennessee, sometime between December 1865 and August 1866 by six former officers of the Confederate army[22] as a fraternal social club inspired at least in part by the then largely defunct Sons of Malta, from which parts of the initiation ceremony were borrowed, with the same purpose: "ludicrous initiations, the baffling of public curiosity, and the amusement for members were the only objects of the Klan."[23] The name is probably derived from the Greek word kuklos (κύκλος) which means circle;[24] the word had previously been used for other fraternal organizations in the South such as Kuklos Adelphon. The manual of rituals was printed by Laps D. McCord of Pulaski.[25]

According to The Cyclopædia of Fraternities (1907) "Beginning in April, 1867, there was a gradual transformation ... The members had conjured up a veritable Frankenstein. They had played with an engine of power and mystery, though organized on entirely innocent lines, and found themselves overcome by a belief that something must lie behind it all—that there was, after all, a serious purpose, a work for the Klan to do."[23]

Although there was little organizational structure above the local level, similar groups rose across the South and adopted the same name and methods.[26] <<​

---- which is precisely what I've been laying out here, Stupid. Did I mention that's from YOUR OWN LINK?

Want some more?

>> The KKK's is a white supremacist group. It holds that only white, heterosexual Christians deserve civil rights. Its original mandate, to reverse the equality granted African -Americans after the Civil War has expanded as the social demographics of the United States have changed. It also opposes civil rights for Jews, gays, Catholics, and other ethnic and religious groups. Today, the various local groups that make up the Klan often focus their hate speech on immigrants.
...
Organization and Membership:

The first Klan was created by six men from Pulaski Tennessee, in the image of other secret societies of the day. The hierarchical organization with local chapters housed under a national umbressa structure. The officer structure was accompanied by an elaborate title structure, as laid out in the 1868 document, Organization and Priniciples of the Ku Klux Klan:...

History and context:

The first KKK was formed in the American South at the end of the civil war, when the victorious Union government imposed a version of martial law on the south and began to enforce laws designed to end segregation against black citizens. When a constitutional amendment granted black men the right to vote in 1870, the group turned to intimidation and violence to try to halt de-segregation.--- About: Terrorism​

Can I get you another plate?

>> The original Ku Klux Klan was organized by ex-Confederate elements to oppose the Reconstruction policies of the radical Republican Congress and to maintain "white supremacy." After the Civil War, when local government in the South was weak or nonexistent and there were fears of black outrages and even of an insurrection, informal vigilante organizations or armed patrols were formed in almost all communities. These were linked together in societies, such as the Men of Justice, the Pale Faces, the Constitutional Union Guards, the White Brotherhood, and the Order of the White Rose. The Ku Klux Klan was the best known of these, and in time it absorbed many of the smaller organizations.

It was organized at Pulaski, Tenn., in May, 1866. Its strange disguises, its silent parades, its midnight rides, its mysterious language and commands, were found to be most effective in playing upon fears and superstitions. The riders muffled their horses' feet and cofvered the horses with white robes. They themselves, dressed in flowing white sheets, their faces covered with white masks, and with skulls at their saddle horns, posed as spirits of the Confederate dead returned from the battlefields. Although the Klan was often able to achieve its aims by terror alone, whippings and lynchings were also used, not only against blacks but also against the so-called carpetbaggers and scalawags. << -- Infoplease
​

Refresh your glass?

>> The 19th-century Klan was originally organized as a social club by Confederate veterans in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1866. They apparently derived the name from the Greek word kyklos, from which comes the English “circle”; “Klan” was added for the sake of alliteration and Ku Klux Klan emerged. The organization quickly became a vehicle for Southern white underground resistance to Radical Reconstruction. Klan members sought the restoration of white supremacy through intimidation and violence aimed at the newly enfranchised black freedmen. A similar organization, the Knights of the White Camelia, began in Louisiana in 1867. << ---- Encyclopaedia Brittanica
​

Bonus track?

>> The original Ku Klux Klan was created in an 1865 meeting in a law office by six Confederate veterans in Pulaski, Tennessee. It was, at first, a humorous social club centering on practical jokes and hazing rituals. From 1866 to 1867, various local units began breaking up black prayer meetings and invading black homes at night to steal firearms. Some of these activities may have been modeled on previous Tennessee vigilante groups such as the Yellow Jackets and Redcaps. In an 1867 convention held in Nashville, the Klan was formalized as a national organization under a Prescript written by George Gordon, a former Confederate brigadier general.

... As historian Elaine Frantz Parsons discovered [Parsons p 816]:

"Lifting the Klan mask revealed a chaotic multitude of antiblack vigilante groups, disgruntled poor white farmers, wartime guerrilla bands, displaced Democratic politicians, illegal whiskey distillers, coercive moral reformers, bored young men, sadists, rapists, white workmen fearful of black competition, employers trying to enforce labor discipline, common thieves, neighbors with decades-old grudges, and even a few freedmen and white Republicans who allied with Democratic whites or had criminal agendas of their own." << -- PreachTheCross.net​

Whatcha got Wimp? Once again (this time Extremism in America):

>> Founder: Confederate Civil War veterans Captain John C. Lester, Major James R. Crowe, John D. Kennedy, Calvin Jones, Richard R. Reed, Frank O. McCord <<
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---- once again you've got full names even including middle initials. You've got a date and a place. Your job is to go find where any of these six guys ------------- any one of them at all ------------- had any political affiliations or activities. Open book test. Use Google. Use Bing. Use fucking AskJeeves if you want. Use your local public library if it ain't too much 'socialism' for ya. Use the US Gummint printing office. I've got some right here --- wanna borrow mine? Here, leave me read it to ya ---

>> The six Confederate army veterans credited with originating the Ku Klux Klan on Christmas Eve of 1865 in Pulaski, Tenn. are not memorialized in current klan literature. << The Present Day Ku Klux Klan Movement, Report by the Committee on Un-American Activities, House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, First Session, December 11, 1967​

Come on wid it. Whatcha got? Prove all these sources wrong in one fell swoop.
I got more too.

NOR did anyone anywhere conclude that everything that happens to everybody everywhere is either a "Democrat" or a "Republican" thing, hopeless binary-bot.

so you think my links were irrelevant or something? What is it you're trying to say with this post exactly? I posted the history already democruds were kkk originators, as ashamed as you are that that is fact.

I used YOUR OWN LINK --- the part you tried to dance around --- to show you what a bleeding hypocrite you are. Then I used half a dozen more to turn the knife.

Fucking retard.

oh well post me back the link you used so I can confirm it. cause right now, you're failing badly.

Oh really Spunkles?

I and others have posted historical accounts, published newspapers, history books including a PhD historian, sources from the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Jewish Defense League, the History Channel, Wikipedia, Encyclopedia Brittanica, the United States Congress and multiple other sources. You've linked a continual colostomy-bag stream of nervous laughter gifs culled from TV shows.

Tell me all about "failing badly", Wimples.

really!!!!

 

[Syriusly]

You didn't have to remind us you're an ignorant propaganda drone, it's already a well-known fact.

Utter nonsense. The main reason the south seceded was over slavery; and the confederate flag was their symbol.

There was discussion of secession long before Lincoln was even president, Slavery wasn't even a factor until Lincoln tried to free them as a war measure.

So?

When they did secede, they offered declarations of causes. There were several reasons but the leading reason discussed was slavery.

Obviously false. Source?

LMAO

No, not false. Who cares if reality is such a shock to you, you hide under your blankie.

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States
The Reasons for Secession

I am always amazed that people declare that their ignorance means something must be false.

 

[Syriusly]

The confederate flag is a symbol of slave owners dum dum

You didn't have to remind us you're an ignorant propaganda drone, it's already a well-known fact.

Only your silly party HAS a propaganda machine, dupe.

I had no idea that the MSM actually works directly with the RNC... oh wait, they don't. The MSM, as shown by the Wikileaks emails, works directly with the DNC, and takes orders from them. They are used to advance their agenda, which by definition is propaganda, making your statement, as usual, 100% false.

As a veteran of broadcasting over four decades let me assure you in no uncertain terms ----

Mass media takes its orders from one thing and one thing only and that one thing is ADVERTISING MONEY -- period, full stop, cue fat lady.

MSM is, for better or worse, and it's all worse, in the business for the purpose of making a profit. To that end it will broadcast whatever will sell --- because that's where its money comes from.

That's the entire reason, and the ONLY reason, you have fake wrestling and naked people on an island and Dancing with the Who Cares. MONEY. Nobody, I guarantee you NOBODY makes money from a political party or an ideology. There isn't even a way to do that.

you lost me here gene. .

To be fair- you are lost throughout this thread.

 

[rightwinger]

The tards attempt to make "KKK" and "Democrat" synonymous. As if the KKK supports affirmative action, ObamaCare, gay rights, gun control, and all the other Democratic planks.

You have to be more than stupid. You have to be WILLFULLY stupid. You have to actually work at it.

The KKK endorsed the Republican this year, not a Democrat.

Morons.

And as I just showed, the KKK had deeply infected both parties by the 1920s.

You can try to "prove" there were Democratic KKK members all day long, tards. Here's what you don't get: No one denies there were Democratic KKK member, you fucking morons.

It is YOU who are the ones in denial. It is YOU who are in denial the KKK is a right wing Christian terrorist organization. It is YOU who are in denial that the KKK infected the Republican Party, too.

All you are doing is broadcasting your utter ignorance of American history, and showing off your willful stupidity in public. You are showing the whole world you are a useful idiot. A tool of your propaganda mills. A disseminator of half-truths.

The KKK is, and always has been, a right wing Christian extremist organization. Back in your political ancestors' day, Southern Democrats were right wing, and that is why the KKK was closely aligned with the Democratic Party in the South.

As the Democratic Party shifted left after LBJ, and the GOP embarked on a strategy to capture the alienated right wing white voters of the Deep South, a great conservative migration occurred from one party to the other through attrition.

A conservative in the South in 1950 was likely to be a Democrat. A conservative in the South in 2016 is likely to be a Republican.

Attrition.

Unfortunately, all the bigots came along for the ride.

And that is why the KKK of today endorses Republicans like Judge Moore.

Nixon's Southern Strategy: "It's All In The Charts"

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."

Or as Trump would call them.....Radical Christian Terrorists

 

[NYcarbineer]

The KKK was started by former soldiers of the Confederacy,

which is the single most important reason you see so many conservatives so vigorously defend the display of the Confederate Flag.

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of State Rights, which has little to do with Slavery. It honors all of those who fought for their state rights, and apparently offends all of those who don't understand what the Civil War was about. Lots of good reasons to love the Confederate Flag.

Which states? All of them or just the ones that had slaves picking cotton, you total idiot?
When was the Confederate flag created? Oops! 1861.
Keep trying, Catfish.

Oh please, hard to take you seriously when all you have are insults. You really do just belong in the Flame Zone, with the rest of the Liberals.

In 1860 states rights and the right to remain a slave state were synonymous. They were equivalent.

Wake up.

 

[jc456]

You didn't have to remind us you're an ignorant propaganda drone, it's already a well-known fact.

Only your silly party HAS a propaganda machine, dupe.

I had no idea that the MSM actually works directly with the RNC... oh wait, they don't. The MSM, as shown by the Wikileaks emails, works directly with the DNC, and takes orders from them. They are used to advance their agenda, which by definition is propaganda, making your statement, as usual, 100% false.

As a veteran of broadcasting over four decades let me assure you in no uncertain terms ----

Mass media takes its orders from one thing and one thing only and that one thing is ADVERTISING MONEY -- period, full stop, cue fat lady.

MSM is, for better or worse, and it's all worse, in the business for the purpose of making a profit. To that end it will broadcast whatever will sell --- because that's where its money comes from.

That's the entire reason, and the ONLY reason, you have fake wrestling and naked people on an island and Dancing with the Who Cares. MONEY. Nobody, I guarantee you NOBODY makes money from a political party or an ideology. There isn't even a way to do that.

you lost me here gene. .

To be fair- you are lost throughout this thread.

I know, you don't make a bit of sense. wow, you haven't figured that out yet? Wow gene, you ain't to bright. stay away from knives.

 

[jc456]

The tards attempt to make "KKK" and "Democrat" synonymous. As if the KKK supports affirmative action, ObamaCare, gay rights, gun control, and all the other Democratic planks.

You have to be more than stupid. You have to be WILLFULLY stupid. You have to actually work at it.

The KKK endorsed the Republican this year, not a Democrat.

Morons.

And as I just showed, the KKK had deeply infected both parties by the 1920s.

You can try to "prove" there were Democratic KKK members all day long, tards. Here's what you don't get: No one denies there were Democratic KKK member, you fucking morons.

It is YOU who are the ones in denial. It is YOU who are in denial the KKK is a right wing Christian terrorist organization. It is YOU who are in denial that the KKK infected the Republican Party, too.

All you are doing is broadcasting your utter ignorance of American history, and showing off your willful stupidity in public. You are showing the whole world you are a useful idiot. A tool of your propaganda mills. A disseminator of half-truths.

The KKK is, and always has been, a right wing Christian extremist organization. Back in your political ancestors' day, Southern Democrats were right wing, and that is why the KKK was closely aligned with the Democratic Party in the South.

As the Democratic Party shifted left after LBJ, and the GOP embarked on a strategy to capture the alienated right wing white voters of the Deep South, a great conservative migration occurred from one party to the other through attrition.

A conservative in the South in 1950 was likely to be a Democrat. A conservative in the South in 2016 is likely to be a Republican.

Attrition.

Unfortunately, all the bigots came along for the ride.

And that is why the KKK of today endorses Republicans like Judge Moore.

Nixon's Southern Strategy: "It's All In The Charts"

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."

Or as Trump would call them.....Radical Christian Terrorists

where are they and what have they done in the last thousand years?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

The KKK was started by former soldiers of the Confederacy,

which is the single most important reason you see so many conservatives so vigorously defend the display of the Confederate Flag.

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of State Rights, which has little to do with Slavery. It honors all of those who fought for their state rights, and apparently offends all of those who don't understand what the Civil War was about. Lots of good reasons to love the Confederate Flag.

Which states? All of them or just the ones that had slaves picking cotton, you total idiot?
When was the Confederate flag created? Oops! 1861.
Keep trying, Catfish.

Oh please, hard to take you seriously when all you have are insults. You really do just belong in the Flame Zone, with the rest of the Liberals.

In 1860 states rights and the right to remain a slave state were synonymous. They were equivalent.

Wake up.

Not synonymous, no, but the the right to have slaves did fall under that category.

 

[jc456]

The tards attempt to make "KKK" and "Democrat" synonymous. As if the KKK supports affirmative action, ObamaCare, gay rights, gun control, and all the other Democratic planks.

You have to be more than stupid. You have to be WILLFULLY stupid. You have to actually work at it.

The KKK endorsed the Republican this year, not a Democrat.

Morons.

And as I just showed, the KKK had deeply infected both parties by the 1920s.

You can try to "prove" there were Democratic KKK members all day long, tards. Here's what you don't get: No one denies there were Democratic KKK member, you fucking morons.

It is YOU who are the ones in denial. It is YOU who are in denial the KKK is a right wing Christian terrorist organization. It is YOU who are in denial that the KKK infected the Republican Party, too.

All you are doing is broadcasting your utter ignorance of American history, and showing off your willful stupidity in public. You are showing the whole world you are a useful idiot. A tool of your propaganda mills. A disseminator of half-truths.

The KKK is, and always has been, a right wing Christian extremist organization. Back in your political ancestors' day, Southern Democrats were right wing, and that is why the KKK was closely aligned with the Democratic Party in the South.

As the Democratic Party shifted left after LBJ, and the GOP embarked on a strategy to capture the alienated right wing white voters of the Deep South, a great conservative migration occurred from one party to the other through attrition.

A conservative in the South in 1950 was likely to be a Democrat. A conservative in the South in 2016 is likely to be a Republican.

Attrition.

Unfortunately, all the bigots came along for the ride.

And that is why the KKK of today endorses Republicans like Judge Moore.

Nixon's Southern Strategy: "It's All In The Charts"

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."

Or as Trump would call them.....Radical Christian Terrorists

BTW, he'd be spot on if radical christians were killing people today.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The KKK was started by former soldiers of the Confederacy,

which is the single most important reason you see so many conservatives so vigorously defend the display of the Confederate Flag.

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of State Rights, which has little to do with Slavery. It honors all of those who fought for their state rights, and apparently offends all of those who don't understand what the Civil War was about. Lots of good reasons to love the Confederate Flag.

Which states? All of them or just the ones that had slaves picking cotton, you total idiot?
When was the Confederate flag created? Oops! 1861.
Keep trying, Catfish.

Oh please, hard to take you seriously when all you have are insults. You really do just belong in the Flame Zone, with the rest of the Liberals.

In 1860 states rights and the right to remain a slave state were synonymous. They were equivalent.

Wake up.

Not synonymous, no, but the the right to have slaves did fall under that category.

If slavery had nothing to do with secession, why was it only the major slave states that seceded?

Coincidence? lol

 

[Pumpkin Row]

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of State Rights, which has little to do with Slavery. It honors all of those who fought for their state rights, and apparently offends all of those who don't understand what the Civil War was about. Lots of good reasons to love the Confederate Flag.

Which states? All of them or just the ones that had slaves picking cotton, you total idiot?
When was the Confederate flag created? Oops! 1861.
Keep trying, Catfish.

Oh please, hard to take you seriously when all you have are insults. You really do just belong in the Flame Zone, with the rest of the Liberals.

In 1860 states rights and the right to remain a slave state were synonymous. They were equivalent.

Wake up.

Not synonymous, no, but the the right to have slaves did fall under that category.

If slavery had nothing to do with secession, why was it only the major slave states that seceded?

Coincidence? lol

I phrased it wrong, it was a factor, but not the biggest factor. It was only brought to the forefront of issues when Lincoln tried to free them as a war measure, for more man-power and to cripple the southern economy.

 

[jc456]

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of State Rights, which has little to do with Slavery. It honors all of those who fought for their state rights, and apparently offends all of those who don't understand what the Civil War was about. Lots of good reasons to love the Confederate Flag.

Which states? All of them or just the ones that had slaves picking cotton, you total idiot?
When was the Confederate flag created? Oops! 1861.
Keep trying, Catfish.

Oh please, hard to take you seriously when all you have are insults. You really do just belong in the Flame Zone, with the rest of the Liberals.

In 1860 states rights and the right to remain a slave state were synonymous. They were equivalent.

Wake up.

Not synonymous, no, but the the right to have slaves did fall under that category.

If slavery had nothing to do with secession, why was it only the major slave states that seceded?

Coincidence? lol

wow. it's on the internet fool.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Which states? All of them or just the ones that had slaves picking cotton, you total idiot?
When was the Confederate flag created? Oops! 1861.
Keep trying, Catfish.

Oh please, hard to take you seriously when all you have are insults. You really do just belong in the Flame Zone, with the rest of the Liberals.

In 1860 states rights and the right to remain a slave state were synonymous. They were equivalent.

Wake up.

Not synonymous, no, but the the right to have slaves did fall under that category.

If slavery had nothing to do with secession, why was it only the major slave states that seceded?

Coincidence? lol

I phrased it wrong, it was a factor, but not the biggest factor. It was only brought to the forefront of issues when Lincoln tried to free them as a war measure, for more man-power and to cripple the southern economy.

It was not just the biggest factor, it was the only factor.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Which states? All of them or just the ones that had slaves picking cotton, you total idiot?
When was the Confederate flag created? Oops! 1861.
Keep trying, Catfish.

Oh please, hard to take you seriously when all you have are insults. You really do just belong in the Flame Zone, with the rest of the Liberals.

In 1860 states rights and the right to remain a slave state were synonymous. They were equivalent.

Wake up.

Not synonymous, no, but the the right to have slaves did fall under that category.

If slavery had nothing to do with secession, why was it only the major slave states that seceded?

Coincidence? lol

wow. it's on the internet fool.

Oh look, I've reduced another RWnut USMB poster to grade school babbling.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Oh please, hard to take you seriously when all you have are insults. You really do just belong in the Flame Zone, with the rest of the Liberals.

In 1860 states rights and the right to remain a slave state were synonymous. They were equivalent.

Wake up.

Not synonymous, no, but the the right to have slaves did fall under that category.

If slavery had nothing to do with secession, why was it only the major slave states that seceded?

Coincidence? lol

I phrased it wrong, it was a factor, but not the biggest factor. It was only brought to the forefront of issues when Lincoln tried to free them as a war measure, for more man-power and to cripple the southern economy.

It was not just the biggest factor, it was the only factor.

It wasn't the only factor, it wasn't even brought to the forefront until Lincoln wanted to abolish it as a war measure. Secession had been discussed long before the war, as Pogo mentioned earlier.

 

[NYcarbineer]

In 1860 states rights and the right to remain a slave state were synonymous. They were equivalent.

Wake up.

Not synonymous, no, but the the right to have slaves did fall under that category.

If slavery had nothing to do with secession, why was it only the major slave states that seceded?

Coincidence? lol

I phrased it wrong, it was a factor, but not the biggest factor. It was only brought to the forefront of issues when Lincoln tried to free them as a war measure, for more man-power and to cripple the southern economy.

It was not just the biggest factor, it was the only factor.

It wasn't the only factor, it wasn't even brought to the forefront until Lincoln wanted to abolish it as a war measure. Secession had been discussed long before the war, as Pogo mentioned earlier.

OK, so when Mississippi seceded, and said this in its secession declaration:

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world."

what do you make of that? That it was never said? That it doesn't mean what it said?

 

[Syriusly]

Only your silly party HAS a propaganda machine, dupe.

I had no idea that the MSM actually works directly with the RNC... oh wait, they don't. The MSM, as shown by the Wikileaks emails, works directly with the DNC, and takes orders from them. They are used to advance their agenda, which by definition is propaganda, making your statement, as usual, 100% false.

As a veteran of broadcasting over four decades let me assure you in no uncertain terms ----

Mass media takes its orders from one thing and one thing only and that one thing is ADVERTISING MONEY -- period, full stop, cue fat lady.

MSM is, for better or worse, and it's all worse, in the business for the purpose of making a profit. To that end it will broadcast whatever will sell --- because that's where its money comes from.

That's the entire reason, and the ONLY reason, you have fake wrestling and naked people on an island and Dancing with the Who Cares. MONEY. Nobody, I guarantee you NOBODY makes money from a political party or an ideology. There isn't even a way to do that.

you lost me here gene. .

To be fair- you are lost throughout this thread.

I know, you don't make a bit of sense. wow, you haven't figured that out yet? Wow gene, you ain't to bright. stay away from knives.

LOL- you are as lost as usual.

 

[g5000]

The tards attempt to make "KKK" and "Democrat" synonymous. As if the KKK supports affirmative action, ObamaCare, gay rights, gun control, and all the other Democratic planks.

You have to be more than stupid. You have to be WILLFULLY stupid. You have to actually work at it.

The KKK endorsed the Republican this year, not a Democrat.

Morons.

And as I just showed, the KKK had deeply infected both parties by the 1920s.

You can try to "prove" there were Democratic KKK members all day long, tards. Here's what you don't get: No one denies there were Democratic KKK member, you fucking morons.

It is YOU who are the ones in denial. It is YOU who are in denial the KKK is a right wing Christian terrorist organization. It is YOU who are in denial that the KKK infected the Republican Party, too.

All you are doing is broadcasting your utter ignorance of American history, and showing off your willful stupidity in public. You are showing the whole world you are a useful idiot. A tool of your propaganda mills. A disseminator of half-truths.

The KKK is, and always has been, a right wing Christian extremist organization. Back in your political ancestors' day, Southern Democrats were right wing, and that is why the KKK was closely aligned with the Democratic Party in the South.

As the Democratic Party shifted left after LBJ, and the GOP embarked on a strategy to capture the alienated right wing white voters of the Deep South, a great conservative migration occurred from one party to the other through attrition.

A conservative in the South in 1950 was likely to be a Democrat. A conservative in the South in 2016 is likely to be a Republican.

Attrition.

Unfortunately, all the bigots came along for the ride.

And that is why the KKK of today endorses Republicans like Judge Moore.

Nixon's Southern Strategy: "It's All In The Charts"

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."

Or as Trump would call them.....Radical Christian Terrorists

BTW, he'd be spot on if radical christians were killing people today.

You're in a topic about some guys from 151 ago. You know that, right?

Jesus, you tards work really hard at staying permanently stupid, dontcha.

And I bet you are so stupid you think the Klan isn't killing negroes today because they found Jesus and lost interest.

 

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In 1860 states rights and the right to remain a slave state were synonymous. They were equivalent.

Wake up.

Not synonymous, no, but the the right to have slaves did fall under that category.

If slavery had nothing to do with secession, why was it only the major slave states that seceded?

Coincidence? lol

I phrased it wrong, it was a factor, but not the biggest factor. It was only brought to the forefront of issues when Lincoln tried to free them as a war measure, for more man-power and to cripple the southern economy.

It was not just the biggest factor, it was the only factor.

It wasn't the only factor, it wasn't even brought to the forefront until Lincoln wanted to abolish it as a war measure. Secession had been discussed long before the war, as Pogo mentioned earlier.

It was the reason why the Confederate States formed.

Long before Lincoln ever proposed freeing the slaves, the core Confederate states- all slave states- had warned that a Lincoln Presidency would mean secession.

And why? Because they feared that Lincoln was an abolitionist and that his election would result long term in the end of slavery.

Don't believe me? Well read the words of the first state to declare secession:

South Carolina Declaration of Secession

Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union



The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D. 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.
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In the present case, that fact is established with certainty. We assert that fourteen of the States have deliberately refused, for years past, to fulfill their constitutional obligations, and we refer to their own Statutes for the proof.

The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows:

"No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."
This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.

The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.

.....but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.


The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.