1896 Film of Palestine and Jerusalem.

[Roudy]

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Ha ha ha. "Muslim conquerering Jihadists were welcomed" Thanks for the entertainment. Perhaps it is you that should read some Muslim history.

I have a degree in history.

There was a reason why they overran the Sassinid and Byzantine Empires in less than a century.

An AA from SBU Tehran?
Do you think you are the only poster on this forum with higher education?

Degree in history from the Taliban Madrassa. I bet he was honor student at the Mad-r-ASSa.

 

[montelatici]

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Ha ha ha. "Muslim conquerering Jihadists were welcomed" Thanks for the entertainment. Perhaps it is you that should read some Muslim history.

I have a degree in history.

There was a reason why they overran the Sassinid and Byzantine Empires in less than a century.

Asshole, Arabs invaded and shoved Islam down the throats of Persian / Iranian people. It was not a "welcome" process, and even Pope Benedict caused Muslim animals to burn down half of Europe when he alluded to the Persian Emperor's comments at the time about Arab behavior and what islam represents.

Go get your money back from those who claim they educated you. Ha ha ha.

Islam spread through violence. True story dude [/QUOTE)

My, how excitable you are, calling people names in anger then laughing (at least that's what "Ha ha ha" must mean). Have you considered seeking help?

But, to the point. How have most religions spread? Ever considered that?

 

[Roudy]

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Ha ha ha. "Muslim conquerering Jihadists were welcomed" Thanks for the entertainment. Perhaps it is you that should read some Muslim history.

I have a degree in history.

There was a reason why they overran the Sassinid and Byzantine Empires in less than a century.

Asshole, Arabs invaded and shoved Islam down the throats of Persian / Iranian people. It was not a "welcome" process, and even Pope Benedict caused Muslim animals to burn down half of Europe when he alluded to the Persian Emperor's comments at the time about Arab behavior and what islam represents.

Go get your money back from those who claim they educated you. Ha ha ha.

Islam spread through violence. True story dude [/QUOTE)

My, how excitable you are, calling people names in anger then laughing (at least that's what "Ha ha ha" must mean). Have you considered seeking help?

But, to the point. How have most religions spread? Ever considered that?

Mohomod: "How have most religions spread? Ever considered that?"

Your friend Joe Blow was telling us that how Islam was welcomed all over the world. Why don't you let Mr. History Major answer that one himself?

"How Iran welcomed the Arab Islamic invasion with open arms" Ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

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Ha ha ha. "Muslim conquerering Jihadists were welcomed" Thanks for the entertainment. Perhaps it is you that should read some Muslim history.

I have a degree in history.

There was a reason why they overran the Sassinid and Byzantine Empires in less than a century.

Degree from the University of Stupidity at Karachi? LOL, here is some REAL HISTORY, as a favor, just so you don't embarrass yourself the next time. Here is your "welcome party":

The History of Zoroastrians after Arab Invasion Alien in Their Homeland CAIS

IRANIAN HISTORY: POST-SASANIAN

The History of Zoroastrians after Arab Invasion; Alien in Their Homeland

The history of Zoroastrians of Iran after the Arab conquest can be summarized in three words: oppression, misery and massacre.

The Arabs invaded Persia not only for its reputed wealth, but to bring into the faith new converts and to impose Islam as the new state religion. They were religious zealots who believed that “in a religious war if one kills or is killed, one’s place in heaven is secure”. To impose the new religion, the old culture and creed had to be destroyed. Therefore first they targeted the libraries, universities and schools. Only few examples reflect the enormity of the calamity that befell upon Persia at 630 A.D. Although some events and figures appear legendary, nevertheless are considered to be true, as they have been recorded by many historians of the Islamic era.


When the Arab commander (Saad ibn-e Abi Vaghas) faced the huge library of Cteciphon, he wrote to Omar: what should be done about the books. Omar wrote back “If the books contradict the Koran, they are blasphemous and on the other hand if they are in agreement with the text of Koran, then they are not needed, as for us only Koran is sufficient”. Thus, the huge library was destroyed and the books or the product of the generations of Persian scientists and scholars were burned in fire or thrown into the Euphrates.[1] By the order of another Arab ruler (Ghotaibeh ibn-e Moslem) in Khwarezmia, those who were literate with all the historians, writers and Mobeds were massacred and their books burned so that after one generation the people were illiterate.[2] Other libraries in Ray and Khorassan received the same treatment and the famous international University of Gondishapour declined and eventually abandoned, and its library and books vanished. Ibn-e Khaldoun, the famous Islamic historian summarizes the whole anihilation and conflagration:” where is the Persian science that Omar ordered to be destroyed?” Only few books survived, because the Persian scholars translated them into Arabic.

To conquer Persia and force Islam, the Arab invaders resorted to many inhumane actions including massacre, mass enslavement of men, women and children, and imposition of heavy taxes (Jezyeh=Jizya) on those who did not convert. By the order of “Yazid ibn-e Mohalleb” in Gorgan so many Persians were beheaded that their blood mixed with water would energize the millstone to produce as much as one day meal for him, as he had vowed.[3] The event of blood mill has been quoted by the generations of Iranian Zoroastrian families to this day, yet our books of history have been silent about it. In recent years however, disenchanted Iranian scholars have been writing about the blood mills and in fact this event has been reported by our historians of the Islamic era. On the way to Mazandaran the same commander ordered 12,000 captives to be hanged at the two sides of the road so that the victorious Arab army pass through. Upon arrival, many more were massacred in that province and heavy tax (Jizya) was imposed on the survivors who did not convert. Some historians have estimated that a total of 400,000 civilians were massacred.[4]Even though the figure appears inflated, nevertheless it reflects the extent of atrocities committed by the Arab conquerors. After the battle of Alis, the Arab commander (Khalid ibn-e Valid) ordered all the prisoners of war be decapitated so that a creek of blood flows. When the city of Estakhr in the south put up stiff resistance against the Arab invaders, 40,000 residents were slaughtered or hanged.[5] One of the battles by the Arabs has been named, Jelovla (covered), because an estimated 100,000 bodies of the slain Iranian soldiers covered the desert.[6] It is reported that 130,000 Iranian women and children were enslaved and sold in the Mecca and Medina markets and large amount of gold and silver plundered. One respected Iranian scholar recently wrote, “Why so many had to die or suffer? Because one side was determined to impose his religion upon the other who could not understand ”.[7] The Arabs colonized, exploited and despised the population. In this context they called the Persians “Ajam” or mute. They even named the Iranian converts “Mavali” or “liberated slaves”. According to the Arab classification, this caste could not receive wages or booties of the war; they were to be protected and at times rewarded by their protectors. Mavalis were not allowed to ride horses and sometimes they were given away as gifts. One of the Umayyad Caliphs was quoted “milk the Persians and once their milk dries, suck their blood”.[8] With so much atrocities committed in the name of religion, how much truly the Arab invaders knew about Islam? By the order of Omar 1000 warriors who knew one Ayah of the Koran were to be selected to receive the booties of the war. But the problem was that among the Arab army there were not even 1,000 soldiers who could read one Ayah.

 

[montelatici]

Can't you ever post anything that is not from a biased source?

"Presented at the North American Zoroastrian Congress in San Francisco 1996

and the World Zoroastrian congress in Houston 2000-2001"

Even if entirely accurate, which I doubt, it can't be taken seriously.

 

[JoeB131]

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Degree in history from the Taliban Madrassa. I bet he was honor student at the Mad-r-ASSa.

Just because you Zionists pissed the Muslims off doesn't make it MY Problem.

 

[JoeB131]

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IRANIAN HISTORY: POST-SASANIAN

The History of Zoroastrians after Arab Invasion; Alien in Their Homeland

The history of Zoroastrians of Iran after the Arab conquest can be summarized in three words: oppression, misery and massacre.
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So it sounds to me that no one was all that keen to fight that hard for Ahura-Mazda. Throw him on the pile of "Rejected Sky Pixies!"

I did get to know a Zoroastrian once. Nice guy, as far as that goes.

 

[JoeB131]

Mohomod: "How have most religions spread? Ever considered that?"

Your friend Joe Blow was telling us that how Islam was welcomed all over the world. Why don't you let Mr. History Major answer that one himself?

"How Iran welcomed the Arab Islamic invasion with open arms" Ha ha ha.

Okay, I guess if you want to go to the old religion that has about 10,000 members left today, because it was kind of a silly religion... you could.

Let's look at an unbiased source.

Zoroastrians were made to pay an extra tax called Jizya, failing which they were either killed, enslaved or imprisoned. Those paying Jizya were subjected to insults and humiliation by the tax collectors.[61][62][63] Zoroastrians who were captured as slaves in wars were given their freedom if they converted to Islam.[61][64]

Muslim leaders in their effort to win converts encouraged attendance at Muslim prayer with promises of money and allowed the Quran to be recited in Persian instead of Arabic so that it would be intelligible to all.[65] Islam was readily accepted by Zoroastrians who were employed in industrial and artisan positions because, according to Zoroastrian dogma, such occupations that involved defiling fire made them impure.[65] Moreover, Muslim missionaries did not encounter difficulty in explaining Islamic tenets to Zoroastrians, as there were many similarities between the faiths. According to Thomas Walker Arnold, for the Persian, he would meet Ahura Mazda and Ahriman under the names of Allah and Iblis.[65] In Afghanistan, Islam was spread due to Umayyad missionary efforts particularly under the reign of Hisham ibn Abd al-Malik and Umar ibn AbdulAziz.[65]

There were also large and thriving Christian and Jewish communities, along with smaller numbers of Buddhists and other groups. However, there was a slow but steady movement of the population towards Islam. The nobility and city-dwellers were the first to convert. Islam spread more slowly among the peasantry and the dihqans, or landed gentry. By the late 10th century, the majority of the Persians had become Muslim. Until the 15th century, most Persian Muslims were Sunni Muslims[citation needed], though today Iran is known as a stronghold of the Shi'a Muslim faith, recognizing Islam as their religion and the prophet's son in law, Ali as an enduring symbol of justice.[citation needed]

According to Amoretti in Cambridge History of Islam, the conquestors brought with them a new religion and a new language, but they did not use force to spread it. While giving freedom of choice, however, the conquestors designated privileges for those who converted.[66]

Sounds a lot better than Christian actions like the Spanish Inquisition and the Albigensian Crusade.

The latter was famous for the Papal Legate how said when asked how to tell a Christian from a Heretic, "Kill them all, for God will know his own." (Sometimes repeated as, "Kill them all and Let God sort them out.")

 

[Roudy]

Can't you ever post anything that is not from a biased source?

"Presented at the North American Zoroastrian Congress in San Francisco 1996

and the World Zoroastrian congress in Houston 2000-2001"

Even if entirely accurate, which I doubt, it can't be taken seriously.

It can't? Why not, because a terrorist loving Islamist says so? Many Persians consider themselves Zoorastrians, you fucking moron, and many Zoorastrian traditions such as the Persian New Year are still celebrated as a national celebrations, despite the efforts by the Islamist animals in charge. Look it up.

 

[Roudy]

Mohomod: "How have most religions spread? Ever considered that?"

Your friend Joe Blow was telling us that how Islam was welcomed all over the world. Why don't you let Mr. History Major answer that one himself?

"How Iran welcomed the Arab Islamic invasion with open arms" Ha ha ha.

Okay, I guess if you want to go to the old religion that has about 10,000 members left today, because it was kind of a silly religion... you could.

Let's look at an unbiased source.

Zoroastrians were made to pay an extra tax called Jizya, failing which they were either killed, enslaved or imprisoned. Those paying Jizya were subjected to insults and humiliation by the tax collectors.[61][62][63] Zoroastrians who were captured as slaves in wars were given their freedom if they converted to Islam.[61][64]

Muslim leaders in their effort to win converts encouraged attendance at Muslim prayer with promises of money and allowed the Quran to be recited in Persian instead of Arabic so that it would be intelligible to all.[65] Islam was readily accepted by Zoroastrians who were employed in industrial and artisan positions because, according to Zoroastrian dogma, such occupations that involved defiling fire made them impure.[65] Moreover, Muslim missionaries did not encounter difficulty in explaining Islamic tenets to Zoroastrians, as there were many similarities between the faiths. According to Thomas Walker Arnold, for the Persian, he would meet Ahura Mazda and Ahriman under the names of Allah and Iblis.[65] In Afghanistan, Islam was spread due to Umayyad missionary efforts particularly under the reign of Hisham ibn Abd al-Malik and Umar ibn AbdulAziz.[65]

There were also large and thriving Christian and Jewish communities, along with smaller numbers of Buddhists and other groups. However, there was a slow but steady movement of the population towards Islam. The nobility and city-dwellers were the first to convert. Islam spread more slowly among the peasantry and the dihqans, or landed gentry. By the late 10th century, the majority of the Persians had become Muslim. Until the 15th century, most Persian Muslims were Sunni Muslims[citation needed], though today Iran is known as a stronghold of the Shi'a Muslim faith, recognizing Islam as their religion and the prophet's son in law, Ali as an enduring symbol of justice.[citation needed]

According to Amoretti in Cambridge History of Islam, the conquestors brought with them a new religion and a new language, but they did not use force to spread it. While giving freedom of choice, however, the conquestors designated privileges for those who converted.[66]

Sounds a lot better than Christian actions like the Spanish Inquisition and the Albigensian Crusade.

The latter was famous for the Papal Legate how said when asked how to tell a Christian from a Heretic, "Kill them all, for God will know his own." (Sometimes repeated as, "Kill them all and Let God sort them out.")

Ha ha ha you are even more fulla shit than Mohomod latici. The Islamist takeover of Iran was anything but peaceful and welcoming. What frauds you are. I don't think you even have a degree in toilet cleaning. LOL

READ AGAIN!

On the way to Mazandaran the same commander ordered 12,000 captives to be hanged at the two sides of the road so that the victorious Arab army pass through. Upon arrival, many more were massacred in that province and heavy tax (Jizya) was imposed on the survivors who did not convert. Some historians have estimated that a total of 400,000 civilians were massacred.[4]Even though the figure appears inflated, nevertheless it reflects the extent of atrocities committed by the Arab conquerors. After the battle of Alis, the Arab commander (Khalid ibn-e Valid) ordered all the prisoners of war be decapitated so that a creek of blood flows. When the city of Estakhr in the south put up stiff resistance against the Arab invaders, 40,000 residents were slaughtered or hanged.[5] One of the battles by the Arabs has been named, Jelovla (covered), because an estimated 100,000 bodies of the slain Iranian soldiers covered the desert.[6] It is reported that 130,000 Iranian women and children were enslaved and sold in the Mecca and Medina markets and large amount of gold and silver plundered. One respected Iranian scholar recently wrote, “Why so many had to die or suffer? Because one side was determined to impose his religion upon the other who could not understand ”.[7] The Arabs colonized, exploited and despised the population. In this context they called the Persians “Ajam” or mute.

 

[Roudy]

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Degree in history from the Taliban Madrassa. I bet he was honor student at the Mad-r-ASSa.

Just because you Zionists pissed the Muslims off doesn't make it MY Problem.

Then fuck off this forum and stop posting IslamoNazi lies and crap.

 

[JoeB131]

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It can't? Why not, because a terrorist loving Islamist says so? Many Persians consider themselves Zoorastrians, you fucking moron, and many Zoorastrian traditions such as the Persian New Year are still celebrated as a national celebrations, despite the efforts by the Islamist animals in charge. Look it up.

Demographics of Iran - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Muslims									74,682,938	99.4
Christians									117,704	0.2
Zoroastrians									25,271	0.0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Yup. Those Zoroasterians they are just sweeping the nation.

 

[JoeB131]

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Degree in history from the Taliban Madrassa. I bet he was honor student at the Mad-r-ASSa.

Just because you Zionists pissed the Muslims off doesn't make it MY Problem.

Then fuck off this forum and stop posting IslamoNazi lies and crap.

As opposed to ZionNazi lies and crap?

You don't get it. I think ANY belief in a magic fairy in the sky makes you kind of stupid.

 

[JoeB131]

Ha ha ha you are even more fulla shit than Mohomod latici. The Islamist takeover of Iran was anything but peaceful and welcoming. What frauds you are. I don't think you even have a degree in toilet cleaning. LOL

Again, peaceful compared to WHAT?

CHristians slaughtered a lot more people than that fighting over whether Jesus was made of Wafers or not, right after they went to the New World and Genocided the shit out of the Americas. "Happy Columbus Day".

 

[JoeB131]

Here's what Peace Loving CHristians did just taking ONE FUCKING CITY.

Massacre at B ziers - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

While discussions were still going on with the barons about the release of those in the city who were deemed to be Catholics, the servants and other persons of low rank and unarmed attacked the city without waiting for orders from their leaders. To our amazement, crying "to arms, to arms!", within the space of two or three hours they crossed the ditches and the walls and Béziers was taken. Our men spared no one, irrespective of rank, sex or age, and put to the sword almost 20,000 people. After this great slaughter the whole city was despoiled and burnt...[4]

About twenty years later Caesarius of Heisterbach relates this story about the massacre,

When they discovered, from the admissions of some of them, that there were Catholics mingled with the heretics they said to the abbot “Sir, what shall we do, for we cannot distinguish between the faithful and the heretics.” The abbot, like the others, was afraid that many, in fear of death, would pretend to be Catholics, and after their departure, would return to their heresy, and is said to have replied “Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius - Kill them all for the Lord knoweth them that are His” (2 Tim. ii. 19) and so countless number in that town were slain.[5][6]
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[Roudy]

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It can't? Why not, because a terrorist loving Islamist says so? Many Persians consider themselves Zoorastrians, you fucking moron, and many Zoorastrian traditions such as the Persian New Year are still celebrated as a national celebrations, despite the efforts by the Islamist animals in charge. Look it up.

Demographics of Iran - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Muslims	74,682,938	99.4
Christians	117,704	0.2
Zoroastrians	25,271	0.0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Yup. Those Zoroasterians they are just sweeping the nation.

Yeah, that's what Arabs do, they are like locusts. Can you imagine, Iran was an entirely Zoorastrian nation not too long ago? Arab Islamic History: Invade a country, then transform it into yet another Islamic Shariah shithole of intolerance and violence. Almost every Muslim shithole you see today, this same exact thing happened. So much for "Muslim tolerance of other faiths". Ha ha ha.

Yet, despite all of this. Iranians have still managed to hold on to their identity and Zoorastrian based traditions. Kudos to the Iranians for not allowing Arab savages change their cultural identity.

 

[Roudy]

Here's what Peace Loving CHristians did just taking ONE FUCKING CITY.

Massacre at B ziers - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

While discussions were still going on with the barons about the release of those in the city who were deemed to be Catholics, the servants and other persons of low rank and unarmed attacked the city without waiting for orders from their leaders. To our amazement, crying "to arms, to arms!", within the space of two or three hours they crossed the ditches and the walls and Béziers was taken. Our men spared no one, irrespective of rank, sex or age, and put to the sword almost 20,000 people. After this great slaughter the whole city was despoiled and burnt...[4]

About twenty years later Caesarius of Heisterbach relates this story about the massacre,

When they discovered, from the admissions of some of them, that there were Catholics mingled with the heretics they said to the abbot “Sir, what shall we do, for we cannot distinguish between the faithful and the heretics.” The abbot, like the others, was afraid that many, in fear of death, would pretend to be Catholics, and after their departure, would return to their heresy, and is said to have replied “Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius - Kill them all for the Lord knoweth them that are His” (2 Tim. ii. 19) and so countless number in that town were slain.[5][6]
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Irrelevant crap. FYI the Crusades started because Muslim invaders were taking over Europe and something had to be done. Muslims drew first blood and started invading Christian lands. True story dude.

 

[Roudy]

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Degree in history from the Taliban Madrassa. I bet he was honor student at the Mad-r-ASSa.

Just because you Zionists pissed the Muslims off doesn't make it MY Problem.

Then fuck off this forum and stop posting IslamoNazi lies and crap.

As opposed to ZionNazi lies and crap?

You don't get it. I think ANY belief in a magic fairy in the sky makes you kind of stupid.

But you are promoting crap on behalf of those who think a Saudi Arabian illiterate terrorist theif was "God's final messenger" eh. I mean you are here like one of their foot soldiers. And failing. LOL

 

[JoeB131]

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Yeah, that's what Arabs do, they are like locusts. Can you imagine, Iran was an entirely Zoorastrian nation not too long ago? Arab Islamic History: Invade a country, then transform it into yet another Islamic Shariah shithole of intolerance and violence. Almost every Muslim shithole you see today, this same exact thing happened. So much for "Muslim tolerance of other faiths". Ha ha ha.

And what happened to the worshipers of Odin, Jupiter, Zeus, Quetzalcoatl, Pachacamac, or dozens of other Gods who ran afoul of Naked dude on a stick?

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Yet, despite all of this. Iranians have still managed to hold on to their identity and Zoorastrian based traditions. Kudos to the Iranians for not allowing Arab savages change their cultural identity.

Christians hold on to a lot of PAGAN ideas. The names of our weekdays are all pagan Gods. Christmas was a Mithra holiday.

But we don't spend a lot of time worshiping Jupiter or Thor...

 

[JoeB131]

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Irrelevant crap. FYI the Crusades started because Muslim invaders were taking over Europe and something had to be done. Muslims drew first blood and started invading Christian lands. True story dude.

The Albigisian crusade was not against "Muslims". It was against the Cathars, a sect of Christianity that mixed Christianity, Gnosticism, and... wait for it... Zoroastrianism

Unlike the Zoroastrians, Mandeans, Samaritans and Yazidis- all odd sects that sprung from Abrahamic religions and still thrive in the Islamic World, the Christians wiped out the Cathars so completely that not much is known about their beliefs today. Not a one is left alive.