1896 Film of Palestine and Jerusalem.

[Penelope]

The Arabs owned more than 90% of the land, bozo.

View attachment 32854

Oh for crying out loud!!!! How many times are you going to bring this one out???? No body believes it but you. Everyone else sees right through it.

As it clearly shows who paid the most taxes and therefore were most productive!

He has this bullshit chart from a Moooslem site that he keeps posting. That's all he has, repetitive garbage propaganda.

Yeah, notice he had to post it again in the reply. Tell the lie enough times . . . .

It never becomes the truth, people just believe the lie.

 

[aris2chat]

I wonder where Joe Blow gets his facts? From the same place as Monty I bet. In his world "all the Europeans who started Zionism have moved back to Europe". Ha ha ha. What entertainment, and imagine its FREE!

My question is, which asylum is it that allows patients like Joe Blow such unrestricted computer access?

Which is it, guy. Are the Zionists Middle Eastern Jews wanting to breathe free or just the Jews of Europe who stole someone else's land?

The land did not belong to the Arabs, it was Ottoman territory for 600 years, and after that fell under the control if the British. And majority of Israelis today are Jews who fled Muslim shitholes, or descendants of. That is a fact, look it up. Parroting Islamist propaganda out of Uranus won't make it true.

And oh, can you show us how "Europeans who started Zionism have moved back to Europe"' , Joe Blow? Can't wait to see that one.

The Arabs owned more than 90% of the land, bozo.

View attachment 32854

So? They invaded and squatted. Doesn't make them the "owners of the land" as much as it doesn't make Mexicans the owners of Arizona, California, or Texas, just because they immigrated and populated certain areas of these states in abnormally high numbers.

The LAND was owned by the Ottoman Turks, that is indisputable historical fact. And I'm still waiting on Joe Blow to show us how "Europeans who started Zionism have moved back to Europe"'?

No, they owned the land as per the land ownership registries and deeds, as audited by the British prior to partition. They owned the land for over 2 millenia. The squatters are the Jews that invaded from Europe and stole the land from the rightful and legal owners.

It is not Islamist propaganda, it is fact as reported by the Mandatory, as requested by the UN, prior to partition. As reported, the land was not owned by the Ottomans, it was owned by the Palestinian Arabs, over 9% of it was. As documented. You see little punk Ruddy, you scream and stamp your feet all you want, but the facts are the facts and none of your silly propaganda is fact, just Zionist lies.

stomp your foot and whine like a toddler in a toy store "me, me , me, me, ......." , it is not going to make you right.

 

[aris2chat]

The Arabs owned more than 90% of the land, bozo.

View attachment 32854

Oh for crying out loud!!!! How many times are you going to bring this one out???? No body believes it but you. Everyone else sees right through it.

As it clearly shows who paid the most taxes and therefore were most productive!

He has this bullshit chart from a Moooslem site that he keeps posting. That's all he has, repetitive garbage propaganda.

No, it is the 1946 Survey of Palestine a UN document available from the Berman Jewish Policy Archive, a Jewish site. Why are you always lying?

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1
Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946

The material assembled in this publication is a survey of Palestine and was prepared between the middle of December, 1945, and the end of January, 1946. The object of the survey was to examine the conditions in Palestine with special attention to subjects bearing on absorptive capacity.
Topic: History, Israeli-Arab Relations, Farming, Demography, Refugees, Politics, Israeli Settlements,Political Behavior, Arab-Israeli Relations, Management and Administration, Agriculture, Immigration,Law, Finance, Geography, Government

Genre: Report

Coverage: Israel

Language: English

Copyright Holder: Publisher

Copyright Information: Download for personal use, freely distribute link


A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Is that the same entity that controled Palestine and decided to create a Jewish homeland in it? Ha ha ha. God you are so stupid.

Well, that doesn't change the fact that the land was stolen by the European Jews. Since the Palestinians have never stopped demanding that their land be returned, not even squatter's rights come into the picture for the Jews. Oh dear.

Bought not stolen. Considering the jews often paid 8x the real value of the land , you could say it was the arab doing the stealing.

 

[montelatici]

Oh for crying out loud!!!! How many times are you going to bring this one out???? No body believes it but you. Everyone else sees right through it.

As it clearly shows who paid the most taxes and therefore were most productive!

He has this bullshit chart from a Moooslem site that he keeps posting. That's all he has, repetitive garbage propaganda.

No, it is the 1946 Survey of Palestine a UN document available from the Berman Jewish Policy Archive, a Jewish site. Why are you always lying?

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1
Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946

The material assembled in this publication is a survey of Palestine and was prepared between the middle of December, 1945, and the end of January, 1946. The object of the survey was to examine the conditions in Palestine with special attention to subjects bearing on absorptive capacity.
Topic: History, Israeli-Arab Relations, Farming, Demography, Refugees, Politics, Israeli Settlements,Political Behavior, Arab-Israeli Relations, Management and Administration, Agriculture, Immigration,Law, Finance, Geography, Government

Genre: Report

Coverage: Israel

Language: English

Copyright Holder: Publisher

Copyright Information: Download for personal use, freely distribute link


A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Is that the same entity that controled Palestine and decided to create a Jewish homeland in it? Ha ha ha. God you are so stupid.

Well, that doesn't change the fact that the land was stolen by the European Jews. Since the Palestinians have never stopped demanding that their land be returned, not even squatter's rights come into the picture for the Jews. Oh dear.

Bought not stolen. Considering the jews often paid 8x the real value of the land , you could say it was the arab doing the stealing.

Of course it was stolen. Jews owned less than 10% and are now squatting on 100%

 

[Penelope]

Which is it, guy. Are the Zionists Middle Eastern Jews wanting to breathe free or just the Jews of Europe who stole someone else's land?

The land did not belong to the Arabs, it was Ottoman territory for 600 years, and after that fell under the control if the British. And majority of Israelis today are Jews who fled Muslim shitholes, or descendants of. That is a fact, look it up. Parroting Islamist propaganda out of Uranus won't make it true.

And oh, can you show us how "Europeans who started Zionism have moved back to Europe"' , Joe Blow? Can't wait to see that one.

The Arabs owned more than 90% of the land, bozo.

View attachment 32854

So? They invaded and squatted. Doesn't make them the "owners of the land" as much as it doesn't make Mexicans the owners of Arizona, California, or Texas, just because they immigrated and populated certain areas of these states in abnormally high numbers.

The LAND was owned by the Ottoman Turks, that is indisputable historical fact. And I'm still waiting on Joe Blow to show us how "Europeans who started Zionism have moved back to Europe"'?

No, they owned the land as per the land ownership registries and deeds, as audited by the British prior to partition. They owned the land for over 2 millenia. The squatters are the Jews that invaded from Europe and stole the land from the rightful and legal owners.

It is not Islamist propaganda, it is fact as reported by the Mandatory, as requested by the UN, prior to partition. As reported, the land was not owned by the Ottomans, it was owned by the Palestinian Arabs, over 9% of it was. As documented. You see little punk Ruddy, you scream and stamp your feet all you want, but the facts are the facts and none of your silly propaganda is fact, just Zionist lies.

Land registration in the Ottoman did not even exist till the 19th century. Land ownership was simply recorded as transfers as part of death records through the churches. Though still incomplete and missing pages, many of the tapu, BMLRR, DLS in Amman and UNCCP records are now digital. Locals arabs did not register land to avoid conscription or taxation. Many that did register land lost title due to unpaid taxes.
Most of the early jews that bought land when the Ottoman permitted acquired land that was uncultivated and uninhabited. There were limits on the amount of land any one could own. Land sold by churches and land holders from arabs in Beirut, Damascus, Cairo, Amman and even Jerusalem sold to land companies on behalf of jews and not directly to private jewish individuals.

Is there a listing of all the purchases of land bought by the Zionist?

 

[Penelope]

Oh for crying out loud!!!! How many times are you going to bring this one out???? No body believes it but you. Everyone else sees right through it.

As it clearly shows who paid the most taxes and therefore were most productive!

He has this bullshit chart from a Moooslem site that he keeps posting. That's all he has, repetitive garbage propaganda.

No, it is the 1946 Survey of Palestine a UN document available from the Berman Jewish Policy Archive, a Jewish site. Why are you always lying?

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1
Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946

The material assembled in this publication is a survey of Palestine and was prepared between the middle of December, 1945, and the end of January, 1946. The object of the survey was to examine the conditions in Palestine with special attention to subjects bearing on absorptive capacity.
Topic: History, Israeli-Arab Relations, Farming, Demography, Refugees, Politics, Israeli Settlements,Political Behavior, Arab-Israeli Relations, Management and Administration, Agriculture, Immigration,Law, Finance, Geography, Government

Genre: Report

Coverage: Israel

Language: English

Copyright Holder: Publisher

Copyright Information: Download for personal use, freely distribute link


A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Is that the same entity that controled Palestine and decided to create a Jewish homeland in it? Ha ha ha. God you are so stupid.

Well, that doesn't change the fact that the land was stolen by the European Jews. Since the Palestinians have never stopped demanding that their land be returned, not even squatter's rights come into the picture for the Jews. Oh dear.

Bought not stolen. Considering the jews often paid 8x the real value of the land , you could say it was the arab doing the stealing.

Provide proof and not from a Jewish source. If you can't do that then well the Jews have no right to any land without deeds.

 

[AugmentedDog]

Oh for crying out loud!!!! How many times are you going to bring this one out???? No body believes it but you. Everyone else sees right through it.

As it clearly shows who paid the most taxes and therefore were most productive!

He has this bullshit chart from a Moooslem site that he keeps posting. That's all he has, repetitive garbage propaganda.

No, it is the 1946 Survey of Palestine a UN document available from the Berman Jewish Policy Archive, a Jewish site. Why are you always lying?

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1
Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946

The material assembled in this publication is a survey of Palestine and was prepared between the middle of December, 1945, and the end of January, 1946. The object of the survey was to examine the conditions in Palestine with special attention to subjects bearing on absorptive capacity.
Topic: History, Israeli-Arab Relations, Farming, Demography, Refugees, Politics, Israeli Settlements,Political Behavior, Arab-Israeli Relations, Management and Administration, Agriculture, Immigration,Law, Finance, Geography, Government

Genre: Report

Coverage: Israel

Language: English

Copyright Holder: Publisher

Copyright Information: Download for personal use, freely distribute link


A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Is that the same entity that controled Palestine and decided to create a Jewish homeland in it? Ha ha ha. God you are so stupid.

Well, that doesn't change the fact that the land was stolen by the European Jews. Since the Palestinians have never stopped demanding that their land be returned, not even squatter's rights come into the picture for the Jews. Oh dear.

Bought not stolen. Considering the jews often paid 8x the real value of the land , you could say it was the arab doing the stealing.

Right On!
I've been reading, with dismay, through this entire thread. All I have to say is this:
The ignorance of history is staggering and those few who consistently accuse Jews and the pro Israel folks of buying "the propaganda" are, themselves, drowning in kool-aid.
Most of us who defend Israel are painfully aware of the failings of the current govt. leadership. I, myself, have never agreed with, or supported Likud, or Netenyahu. However, so many of the anti-Israel crowd are so concerned with appearing to be moralists and humanitarians that any semblance of intelligent interpretation of events and objectivity are non-existent.
You are the ones who have been consumed by propaganda.
Open your damn eyes! There is more than enough unconscionable behavior to go around.
Also, all of you folk who are exclusively pro Palestinian, unless you are Palestinian, and even so, Learn Some History.

 

[aris2chat]

The land did not belong to the Arabs, it was Ottoman territory for 600 years, and after that fell under the control if the British. And majority of Israelis today are Jews who fled Muslim shitholes, or descendants of. That is a fact, look it up. Parroting Islamist propaganda out of Uranus won't make it true.

And oh, can you show us how "Europeans who started Zionism have moved back to Europe"' , Joe Blow? Can't wait to see that one.

The Arabs owned more than 90% of the land, bozo.

View attachment 32854

So? They invaded and squatted. Doesn't make them the "owners of the land" as much as it doesn't make Mexicans the owners of Arizona, California, or Texas, just because they immigrated and populated certain areas of these states in abnormally high numbers.

The LAND was owned by the Ottoman Turks, that is indisputable historical fact. And I'm still waiting on Joe Blow to show us how "Europeans who started Zionism have moved back to Europe"'?

No, they owned the land as per the land ownership registries and deeds, as audited by the British prior to partition. They owned the land for over 2 millenia. The squatters are the Jews that invaded from Europe and stole the land from the rightful and legal owners.

It is not Islamist propaganda, it is fact as reported by the Mandatory, as requested by the UN, prior to partition. As reported, the land was not owned by the Ottomans, it was owned by the Palestinian Arabs, over 9% of it was. As documented. You see little punk Ruddy, you scream and stamp your feet all you want, but the facts are the facts and none of your silly propaganda is fact, just Zionist lies.

Land registration in the Ottoman did not even exist till the 19th century. Land ownership was simply recorded as transfers as part of death records through the churches. Though still incomplete and missing pages, many of the tapu, BMLRR, DLS in Amman and UNCCP records are now digital. Locals arabs did not register land to avoid conscription or taxation. Many that did register land lost title due to unpaid taxes.
Most of the early jews that bought land when the Ottoman permitted acquired land that was uncultivated and uninhabited. There were limits on the amount of land any one could own. Land sold by churches and land holders from arabs in Beirut, Damascus, Cairo, Amman and even Jerusalem sold to land companies on behalf of jews and not directly to private jewish individuals.

Is there a listing of all the purchases of land bought by the Zionist?

You can apply in person to the agencies for access to their digital archives. I know much as been scanned, but I expect there might still be a few inputs missing because of documents missing or too badly damaged. Even digital it will be tedious search, especially if you don't have some basic details. I do not know if the information is databased.
It has to be a lot easier than sitting in a musty dungeon searching through ledgers and loose documents that made up the ottoman archives. They were not all in one language.

 

[Penelope]

The Arabs owned more than 90% of the land, bozo.

View attachment 32854

So? They invaded and squatted. Doesn't make them the "owners of the land" as much as it doesn't make Mexicans the owners of Arizona, California, or Texas, just because they immigrated and populated certain areas of these states in abnormally high numbers.

The LAND was owned by the Ottoman Turks, that is indisputable historical fact. And I'm still waiting on Joe Blow to show us how "Europeans who started Zionism have moved back to Europe"'?

No, they owned the land as per the land ownership registries and deeds, as audited by the British prior to partition. They owned the land for over 2 millenia. The squatters are the Jews that invaded from Europe and stole the land from the rightful and legal owners.

It is not Islamist propaganda, it is fact as reported by the Mandatory, as requested by the UN, prior to partition. As reported, the land was not owned by the Ottomans, it was owned by the Palestinian Arabs, over 9% of it was. As documented. You see little punk Ruddy, you scream and stamp your feet all you want, but the facts are the facts and none of your silly propaganda is fact, just Zionist lies.

Land registration in the Ottoman did not even exist till the 19th century. Land ownership was simply recorded as transfers as part of death records through the churches. Though still incomplete and missing pages, many of the tapu, BMLRR, DLS in Amman and UNCCP records are now digital. Locals arabs did not register land to avoid conscription or taxation. Many that did register land lost title due to unpaid taxes.
Most of the early jews that bought land when the Ottoman permitted acquired land that was uncultivated and uninhabited. There were limits on the amount of land any one could own. Land sold by churches and land holders from arabs in Beirut, Damascus, Cairo, Amman and even Jerusalem sold to land companies on behalf of jews and not directly to private jewish individuals.

Is there a listing of all the purchases of land bought by the Zionist?

You can apply in person to the agencies for access to their digital archives. I know much as been scanned, but I expect there might still be a few inputs missing because of documents missing or too badly damaged. Even digital it will be tedious search, especially if you don't have some basic details. I do not know if the information is databased.
It has to be a lot easier than sitting in a musty dungeon searching through ledgers and loose documents that made up the ottoman archives. They were not all in one language.

Well I guess I will have to go by what the British said in 1947 as they would know better than us, who should have what.

 

[Hossfly]

So? They invaded and squatted. Doesn't make them the "owners of the land" as much as it doesn't make Mexicans the owners of Arizona, California, or Texas, just because they immigrated and populated certain areas of these states in abnormally high numbers.

The LAND was owned by the Ottoman Turks, that is indisputable historical fact. And I'm still waiting on Joe Blow to show us how "Europeans who started Zionism have moved back to Europe"'?

No, they owned the land as per the land ownership registries and deeds, as audited by the British prior to partition. They owned the land for over 2 millenia. The squatters are the Jews that invaded from Europe and stole the land from the rightful and legal owners.

It is not Islamist propaganda, it is fact as reported by the Mandatory, as requested by the UN, prior to partition. As reported, the land was not owned by the Ottomans, it was owned by the Palestinian Arabs, over 9% of it was. As documented. You see little punk Ruddy, you scream and stamp your feet all you want, but the facts are the facts and none of your silly propaganda is fact, just Zionist lies.

Land registration in the Ottoman did not even exist till the 19th century. Land ownership was simply recorded as transfers as part of death records through the churches. Though still incomplete and missing pages, many of the tapu, BMLRR, DLS in Amman and UNCCP records are now digital. Locals arabs did not register land to avoid conscription or taxation. Many that did register land lost title due to unpaid taxes.
Most of the early jews that bought land when the Ottoman permitted acquired land that was uncultivated and uninhabited. There were limits on the amount of land any one could own. Land sold by churches and land holders from arabs in Beirut, Damascus, Cairo, Amman and even Jerusalem sold to land companies on behalf of jews and not directly to private jewish individuals.

Is there a listing of all the purchases of land bought by the Zionist?

You can apply in person to the agencies for access to their digital archives. I know much as been scanned, but I expect there might still be a few inputs missing because of documents missing or too badly damaged. Even digital it will be tedious search, especially if you don't have some basic details. I do not know if the information is databased.
It has to be a lot easier than sitting in a musty dungeon searching through ledgers and loose documents that made up the ottoman archives. They were not all in one language.

Well I guess I will have to go by what the British said in 1947 as they would know better than us, who should have what.

Argued with your teachers in school did ye?

 

[montelatici]

He has this bullshit chart from a Moooslem site that he keeps posting. That's all he has, repetitive garbage propaganda.

No, it is the 1946 Survey of Palestine a UN document available from the Berman Jewish Policy Archive, a Jewish site. Why are you always lying?

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1
Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946

The material assembled in this publication is a survey of Palestine and was prepared between the middle of December, 1945, and the end of January, 1946. The object of the survey was to examine the conditions in Palestine with special attention to subjects bearing on absorptive capacity.
Topic: History, Israeli-Arab Relations, Farming, Demography, Refugees, Politics, Israeli Settlements,Political Behavior, Arab-Israeli Relations, Management and Administration, Agriculture, Immigration,Law, Finance, Geography, Government

Genre: Report

Coverage: Israel

Language: English

Copyright Holder: Publisher

Copyright Information: Download for personal use, freely distribute link


A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Is that the same entity that controled Palestine and decided to create a Jewish homeland in it? Ha ha ha. God you are so stupid.

Well, that doesn't change the fact that the land was stolen by the European Jews. Since the Palestinians have never stopped demanding that their land be returned, not even squatter's rights come into the picture for the Jews. Oh dear.

Bought not stolen. Considering the jews often paid 8x the real value of the land , you could say it was the arab doing the stealing.

Right On!
I've been reading, with dismay, through this entire thread. All I have to say is this:
The ignorance of history is staggering and those few who consistently accuse Jews and the pro Israel folks of buying "the propaganda" are, themselves, drowning in kool-aid.
Most of us who defend Israel are painfully aware of the failings of the current govt. leadership. I, myself, have never agreed with, or supported Likud, or Netenyahu. However, so many of the anti-Israel crowd are so concerned with appearing to be moralists and humanitarians that any semblance of intelligent interpretation of events and objectivity are non-existent.
You are the ones who have been consumed by propaganda.
Open your damn eyes! There is more than enough unconscionable behavior to go around.
Also, all of you folk who are exclusively pro Palestinian, unless you are Palestinian, and even so, Learn Some History.

You should learn some history.

 

[AugmentedDog]

No, it is the 1946 Survey of Palestine a UN document available from the Berman Jewish Policy Archive, a Jewish site. Why are you always lying?

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1
Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946

The material assembled in this publication is a survey of Palestine and was prepared between the middle of December, 1945, and the end of January, 1946. The object of the survey was to examine the conditions in Palestine with special attention to subjects bearing on absorptive capacity.
Topic: History, Israeli-Arab Relations, Farming, Demography, Refugees, Politics, Israeli Settlements,Political Behavior, Arab-Israeli Relations, Management and Administration, Agriculture, Immigration,Law, Finance, Geography, Government

Genre: Report

Coverage: Israel

Language: English

Copyright Holder: Publisher

Copyright Information: Download for personal use, freely distribute link


A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Is that the same entity that controled Palestine and decided to create a Jewish homeland in it? Ha ha ha. God you are so stupid.

Well, that doesn't change the fact that the land was stolen by the European Jews. Since the Palestinians have never stopped demanding that their land be returned, not even squatter's rights come into the picture for the Jews. Oh dear.

Bought not stolen. Considering the jews often paid 8x the real value of the land , you could say it was the arab doing the stealing.

Right On!
I've been reading, with dismay, through this entire thread. All I have to say is this:
The ignorance of history is staggering and those few who consistently accuse Jews and the pro Israel folks of buying "the propaganda" are, themselves, drowning in kool-aid.
Most of us who defend Israel are painfully aware of the failings of the current govt. leadership. I, myself, have never agreed with, or supported Likud, or Netenyahu. However, so many of the anti-Israel crowd are so concerned with appearing to be moralists and humanitarians that any semblance of intelligent interpretation of events and objectivity are non-existent.
You are the ones who have been consumed by propaganda.
Open your damn eyes! There is more than enough unconscionable behavior to go around.
Also, all of you folk who are exclusively pro Palestinian, unless you are Palestinian, and even so, Learn Some History.

You should learn some history.

This particular segment of history has been my life for 50 years. I also lived a small part of it. You?

 

[montelatici]

Is that the same entity that controled Palestine and decided to create a Jewish homeland in it? Ha ha ha. God you are so stupid.

Well, that doesn't change the fact that the land was stolen by the European Jews. Since the Palestinians have never stopped demanding that their land be returned, not even squatter's rights come into the picture for the Jews. Oh dear.

Bought not stolen. Considering the jews often paid 8x the real value of the land , you could say it was the arab doing the stealing.

Right On!
I've been reading, with dismay, through this entire thread. All I have to say is this:
The ignorance of history is staggering and those few who consistently accuse Jews and the pro Israel folks of buying "the propaganda" are, themselves, drowning in kool-aid.
Most of us who defend Israel are painfully aware of the failings of the current govt. leadership. I, myself, have never agreed with, or supported Likud, or Netenyahu. However, so many of the anti-Israel crowd are so concerned with appearing to be moralists and humanitarians that any semblance of intelligent interpretation of events and objectivity are non-existent.
You are the ones who have been consumed by propaganda.
Open your damn eyes! There is more than enough unconscionable behavior to go around.
Also, all of you folk who are exclusively pro Palestinian, unless you are Palestinian, and even so, Learn Some History.

You should learn some history.

This particular segment of history has been my life for 50 years. I also lived a small part of it. You?

Yes. If you have lived a small part of it you should be able to discern that at one time Christians and Muslims and a very small number of Jews (a handful before 1850 as reported by the Britsh Mandatory) lived in the area which was called Palestine. A large number of Europeans began arriving in the late 1800s. By 1948 the Europeans had expelled most of the non-Jews. That's just a fact. No matter of excuses, reasons, justifications can change this basic fact.

 

[AugmentedDog]

Well, that doesn't change the fact that the land was stolen by the European Jews. Since the Palestinians have never stopped demanding that their land be returned, not even squatter's rights come into the picture for the Jews. Oh dear.

Bought not stolen. Considering the jews often paid 8x the real value of the land , you could say it was the arab doing the stealing.

Right On!
I've been reading, with dismay, through this entire thread. All I have to say is this:
The ignorance of history is staggering and those few who consistently accuse Jews and the pro Israel folks of buying "the propaganda" are, themselves, drowning in kool-aid.
Most of us who defend Israel are painfully aware of the failings of the current govt. leadership. I, myself, have never agreed with, or supported Likud, or Netenyahu. However, so many of the anti-Israel crowd are so concerned with appearing to be moralists and humanitarians that any semblance of intelligent interpretation of events and objectivity are non-existent.
You are the ones who have been consumed by propaganda.
Open your damn eyes! There is more than enough unconscionable behavior to go around.
Also, all of you folk who are exclusively pro Palestinian, unless you are Palestinian, and even so, Learn Some History.

You should learn some history.

This particular segment of history has been my life for 50 years. I also lived a small part of it. You?

Yes. If you have lived a small part of it you should be able to discern that at one time Christians and Muslims and a very small number of Jews (a handful before 1850 as reported by the Britsh Mandatory) lived in the area which was called Palestine. A large number of Europeans began arriving in the late 1800s. By 1948 the Europeans had expelled most of the non-Jews. That's just a fact. No matter of excuses, reasons, justifications can change this basic fact.

No excuses. Facts are just fine. So,
I'm certain, then, that you are aware that prior to the time you reference, what you call "a small number of Jews" was a somewhat larger population living in areas later taken by Arabs forcing the indigenous Jewish population out and into other countries in the M.E.
Much of the so-called disputed areas were populated by Jews for the aforementioned 2 millennia before stronger Arab populations took over that land.
Property claims have been "exchanged" in that region practically forever. No one cultural/ethnic group owns exclusive moral rights to any of it.
Immediately after the formation of Israel, if the Arab nations would not have invaded, Israel would have been a tiny island home for the Jews in the new country as well as for the Arabs that still lived there on their own land. I knew and shared meals with Arab families in Israel who did not leave in 1948 when told to do so and who still own and live on their ancestral land in Jerusalem and elsewhere.
You, and others here, seem to me to be assigning blame for 70+ years of war and social upheaval exclusively on Israelis AND the world community of Jews. This is wholly unacceptable and an unconscionable manipulation of events and facts.

 

[toastman]

Well, that doesn't change the fact that the land was stolen by the European Jews. Since the Palestinians have never stopped demanding that their land be returned, not even squatter's rights come into the picture for the Jews. Oh dear.

Bought not stolen. Considering the jews often paid 8x the real value of the land , you could say it was the arab doing the stealing.

Right On!
I've been reading, with dismay, through this entire thread. All I have to say is this:
The ignorance of history is staggering and those few who consistently accuse Jews and the pro Israel folks of buying "the propaganda" are, themselves, drowning in kool-aid.
Most of us who defend Israel are painfully aware of the failings of the current govt. leadership. I, myself, have never agreed with, or supported Likud, or Netenyahu. However, so many of the anti-Israel crowd are so concerned with appearing to be moralists and humanitarians that any semblance of intelligent interpretation of events and objectivity are non-existent.
You are the ones who have been consumed by propaganda.
Open your damn eyes! There is more than enough unconscionable behavior to go around.
Also, all of you folk who are exclusively pro Palestinian, unless you are Palestinian, and even so, Learn Some History.

You should learn some history.

This particular segment of history has been my life for 50 years. I also lived a small part of it. You?

Yes. If you have lived a small part of it you should be able to discern that at one time Christians and Muslims and a very small number of Jews (a handful before 1850 as reported by the Britsh Mandatory) lived in the area which was called Palestine. A large number of Europeans began arriving in the late 1800s. By 1948 the Europeans had expelled most of the non-Jews. That's just a fact. No matter of excuses, reasons, justifications can change this basic fact.

I just LOVE how you left out a massive event that occurred PRIOR to Palestinian getting expelled. Hahahaha the propaganda king strikes again

 

[aris2chat]

Bought not stolen. Considering the jews often paid 8x the real value of the land , you could say it was the arab doing the stealing.

Right On!
I've been reading, with dismay, through this entire thread. All I have to say is this:
The ignorance of history is staggering and those few who consistently accuse Jews and the pro Israel folks of buying "the propaganda" are, themselves, drowning in kool-aid.
Most of us who defend Israel are painfully aware of the failings of the current govt. leadership. I, myself, have never agreed with, or supported Likud, or Netenyahu. However, so many of the anti-Israel crowd are so concerned with appearing to be moralists and humanitarians that any semblance of intelligent interpretation of events and objectivity are non-existent.
You are the ones who have been consumed by propaganda.
Open your damn eyes! There is more than enough unconscionable behavior to go around.
Also, all of you folk who are exclusively pro Palestinian, unless you are Palestinian, and even so, Learn Some History.

You should learn some history.

This particular segment of history has been my life for 50 years. I also lived a small part of it. You?

Yes. If you have lived a small part of it you should be able to discern that at one time Christians and Muslims and a very small number of Jews (a handful before 1850 as reported by the Britsh Mandatory) lived in the area which was called Palestine. A large number of Europeans began arriving in the late 1800s. By 1948 the Europeans had expelled most of the non-Jews. That's just a fact. No matter of excuses, reasons, justifications can change this basic fact.

No excuses. Facts are just fine. So,
I'm certain, then, that you are aware that prior to the time you reference, what you call "a small number of Jews" was a somewhat larger population living in areas later taken by Arabs forcing the indigenous Jewish population out and into other countries in the M.E.
Much of the so-called disputed areas were populated by Jews for the aforementioned 2 millennia before stronger Arab populations took over that land.
Property claims have been "exchanged" in that region practically forever. No one cultural/ethnic group owns exclusive moral rights to any of it.
Immediately after the formation of Israel, if the Arab nations would not have invaded, Israel would have been a tiny island home for the Jews in the new country as well as for the Arabs that still lived there on their own land. I knew and shared meals with Arab families in Israel who did not leave in 1948 when told to do so and who still own and live on their ancestral land in Jerusalem and elsewhere.
You, and others here, seem to me to be assigning blame for 70+ years of war and social upheaval exclusively on Israelis AND the world community of Jews. This is wholly unacceptable and an unconscionable manipulation of events and facts.

Beirut, Damascus, Cairo and Alexandria were the havens for jews during that time.

 

[JoeB131]

The land did not belong to the Arabs, it was Ottoman territory for 600 years, and after that fell under the control if the British. And majority of Israelis today are Jews who fled Muslim shitholes, or descendants of. That is a fact, look it up. Parroting Islamist propaganda out of Uranus won't make it true.

And oh, can you show us how "Europeans who started Zionism have moved back to Europe"' , Joe Blow? Can't wait to see that one.

Imperial invaders don't get to dictate who the land belongs to.

 

[Hossfly]

Is that the same entity that controled Palestine and decided to create a Jewish homeland in it? Ha ha ha. God you are so stupid.

Well, that doesn't change the fact that the land was stolen by the European Jews. Since the Palestinians have never stopped demanding that their land be returned, not even squatter's rights come into the picture for the Jews. Oh dear.

Bought not stolen. Considering the jews often paid 8x the real value of the land , you could say it was the arab doing the stealing.

Right On!
I've been reading, with dismay, through this entire thread. All I have to say is this:
The ignorance of history is staggering and those few who consistently accuse Jews and the pro Israel folks of buying "the propaganda" are, themselves, drowning in kool-aid.
Most of us who defend Israel are painfully aware of the failings of the current govt. leadership. I, myself, have never agreed with, or supported Likud, or Netenyahu. However, so many of the anti-Israel crowd are so concerned with appearing to be moralists and humanitarians that any semblance of intelligent interpretation of events and objectivity are non-existent.
You are the ones who have been consumed by propaganda.
Open your damn eyes! There is more than enough unconscionable behavior to go around.
Also, all of you folk who are exclusively pro Palestinian, unless you are Palestinian, and even so, Learn Some History.

You should learn some history.

This particular segment of history has been my life for 50 years. I also lived a small part of it. You?

The land did not belong to the Arabs, it was Ottoman territory for 600 years, and after that fell under the control if the British. And majority of Israelis today are Jews who fled Muslim shitholes, or descendants of. That is a fact, look it up. Parroting Islamist propaganda out of Uranus won't make it true.

And oh, can you show us how "Europeans who started Zionism have moved back to Europe"' , Joe Blow? Can't wait to see that one.

Imperial invaders don't get to dictate who the land belongs to.

Who does it belong to at this time?

 

[teddyearp]

Immediately after the formation of Israel, if the Arab nations would not have invaded, Israel would have been a tiny island home for the Jews in the new country as well as for the Arabs that still lived there on their own land. I knew and shared meals with Arab families in Israel who did not leave in 1948 when told to do so and who still own and live on their ancestral land in Jerusalem and elsewhere.
You, and others here, seem to me to be assigning blame for 70+ years of war and social upheaval exclusively on Israelis AND the world community of Jews. This is wholly unacceptable and an unconscionable manipulation of events and facts.

x2!

 

[Roudy]

The land did not belong to the Arabs, it was Ottoman territory for 600 years, and after that fell under the control if the British. And majority of Israelis today are Jews who fled Muslim shitholes, or descendants of. That is a fact, look it up. Parroting Islamist propaganda out of Uranus won't make it true.

And oh, can you show us how "Europeans who started Zionism have moved back to Europe"' , Joe Blow? Can't wait to see that one.

Imperial invaders don't get to dictate who the land belongs to.

Ah really, very interesting so the Arab invaders who Jihaded across the Middle East and shoved Islam down people's throats should give those lands back.

Islam = Arab imperialism. True story