2 gunmen w AR15s open fire in Houston; 2 citizens down; 4 cops; PD helicopter shot

[Arianrhod]

It appears that if you mix depression with right wing extremism, you've got a recipe for disaster. The dude was spouting anti-Government crapola, yelling about Jews, homosexuals, Muslims, Walmart, and the end of the world.

And if you raise people in democrat inner cities you get a far higher gun murder rate........

8,124 gun murders in 2014.......with about less than 20 due to right wingers.....the rest...democrats raised in democrat cities...

But how many of them are adjective-compromised?

 

[2aguy]

Are you on drugs? He was not defending himself, he was murdering people and miscreants like you want to make everyone helpless in the face of that.

Right, nobody needs a gun like that for defense, only mass shooters need them.

The AR-15 is a great gun for personal defense........does it hurt a lot when you talk out of your ass the way you do.....?

Hey....old lady.....how is it that in France you can't buy fully automatic rifles, they are completely illegal, there are no gun stores and you can't buy them......in a country with absolute gun control....every gun law you want, and they have even banned the actual guns you say you hate.....

and 140 people were murdered with those illegal guns and hundreds wounded in France last year.........

in the united states we have AR-15s in every gun store, with 3,750,000 in private hands........you can own them and in many states carry them....

we had 14 deaths .....at the hands of muslim terrorists.....

Do you see how stupid your position is now?

No. Because not one of those 14 deaths was stopped with an AR-15. It is not for personal defense and is not carried around as self defense. God only knows what people carry them around for, but self defense ain't it. Do NOT tell me that if the Developmental Center had been an open carry office, people would have been packing their AR-15's.
France has the right idea. AR-15's and their lot are overkill. The only possible justification is the INSANE one that we have a right to the same arms as our military. As if any of you yahoos is going to prevail against an attack by the US government. They've got access to way cooler toys than you boys.

Look....you don't care about the facts, you don't care about the truth......or reality.

We have 3,750,000 million AR-15s in private hands that are used legally for self defense, competition, collecting and some forms of hunting........

1 one was used to murder 1 person yesterday.......

And you want to ban all the rest....you are irrational and dumb.

France made AR-15s and fully automatic rifles completely illegal.......and their criminals get the fully automatic military rifles easily. And terrorists last year used fully automatic, and illegal, rifles to murder 140 people......in a gun free country in a gun free city in gun free zones........

And you think that any of your laws would change that.....

Again....3,750,000 million in private hands here.....and one death with the AR-15 this year......

 

[2aguy]

2aguy

Here's a message from the Houston police department concerning the good guy with a gun.

"What he did was very brave, but officers are trained in these active shooter situations (but) he was outgunned, out-maneuvered," said acting Houston Police Chief Martha Montalvo.

She advised the public instead to "call the police and let us do what we have to do."

Gunman Slain in Houston Shooting Rampage Was Army Vet



Good guy with a gun almost got himself killed for no reason. In the end, the cops are the ones who resolved the issue, doing their jobs in what they are trained to do.

And in these 12 shootings the good guy stopped the killer......

12 Times Mass Shootings Were Stopped by Good Guys With Guns

 

[2aguy]

In your public display of ignorance have you yet realized cops are not always where you need them?

Whereas the Good Guy with a Gun™ can be counted on to be exactly where the rest of us don't need him.

except for these 12 shootings where we did want them....

12 Times Mass Shootings Were Stopped by Good Guys With Guns

May 27, 2010
A 79-year-old man entered an AT&T store in New York Mills, New York carrying a .357 magnum revolver in his hand and a list of employees he planned to kill in his pocket. Hearing the hand cannon go off, Donald J. Moore drew his own personal weapon and killed the gunman before he could complete his plan. One employee was wounded in the shooting.

March 25, 2012
Aaron Guyton was inside the recreation building of his grandfather’s church when he saw Jessie Gates, a member of the congregation, pulling a shotgun from his vehicle. Guyton leapt into action, locking the doors to the church where services were going on. Gates kicked in the door and pointed the shotgun at Rev. Henry Guyton and several parishioners. Drawing his concealed handgun, the younger Guyton held Gates at gunpoint while two members of the church took him to the ground. Rev. Guyton then took the shotgun from his hand.

Dec. 11, 2012
Two people were killed and a third was seriously wounded at Clackamas Town Center near Portland, Oregon when a rifle-toting gunman opened fire in in the busy food court. Nick Meli, a shopper in the mall, drew a personally owned firearm on the gunman, who immediately retreated to a service corridor and killed himself. Meli did not fire his weapon for fear of striking bystanders yet authorities say his actions caused the gunman to cease his attack and end his own life.

January 11, 2014
After being refused entry to the strip club for belligerent behavior and racist comments earlir in the night, Thomas Elliott Hjelmeland returned carrying a handgun and wearing a Halloween mask. As soon as he entered the club, Hjelmeland opened fire, striking bouncer Brian Rizzo, a patron, and a waitress. Another bouncer, Jonathan Baer drew his concealed handgun and shot Hjelmeland, killing him.

Following the attack Baer posted to Facebook: “I did what I felt was right to stop the shooter…I carry every day, and will continue to, and will so with the hope that I will NEVER have to pull it out again.”

 

[2aguy]

2aguy

Here's a message from the Houston police department concerning the good guy with a gun.

"What he did was very brave, but officers are trained in these active shooter situations (but) he was outgunned, out-maneuvered," said acting Houston Police Chief Martha Montalvo.

She advised the public instead to "call the police and let us do what we have to do."

Gunman Slain in Houston Shooting Rampage Was Army Vet



Good guy with a gun almost got himself killed for no reason. In the end, the cops are the ones who resolved the issue, doing their jobs in what they are trained to do.

In your public display of ignorance have you yet realized cops are not always where you need them?

OMG, you're so stupid.

The cops were certainly there, and they are the ones who resolved the issue in this particular case, not the good guy with the gun.

And two highly trained cops were also shot........and it took them an hour to take the guy down.....

When there are good guys on the scene with guns lives are saved...as I showed you with the church shootings......

 

[2aguy]

You don't have a fucking clue do you. You put your"OMG" bullshit to start your post with, hoping it will make you appear smart. Fail. I clearly stated that the cops aren't ALWAYS around when you need them. What part of that don't understand?

It's a good thing they were there, or good guy with a gun would probably be dead, dummy.

Except when the good guy with the gun stops the mass shooting long before the police arrive....you mean except for that...right...twit.

In this particular case, and in staying with the thread topic, the man in question almost got himself killed for no reason. Unless you know something the Houston Police don't, if so, please enlighten us.

You mean he tried to help save lives........as a guy with a rifle was shooting people........wow.....what a jerk....right?

And when the concealed carrier does save lives and does stop the mass shooter.....never mind.....

 

[miketx]

You mean he tried to help save lives........as a guy with a rifle was shooting people........wow.....what a jerk....right?

And when the concealed carrier does save lives and does stop the mass shooter.....never mind.....

When that happens, and it happens a lot, the main stream scum media almost always ignore it.

 

[2aguy]

You don't have a fucking clue do you. You put your"OMG" bullshit to start your post with, hoping it will make you appear smart. Fail. I clearly stated that the cops aren't ALWAYS around when you need them. What part of that don't understand?

It's a good thing they were there, or good guy with a gun would probably be dead, dummy.

Except when the good guy with the gun stops the mass shooting long before the police arrive....you mean except for that...right...twit.

In this particular case, and in staying with the thread topic, the man in question almost got himself killed for no reason. Unless you know something the Houston Police don't, if so, please enlighten us.

Here ....try some basic math........were more lives saved when there was a concealed carrier on the scene or when the church was a gun free zone........you can use both hands if you need to....and your feet...

Some details to help you make your guess....

Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston church shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 9 dead)

vs.

Deputies Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense ( 0 dead)

6 Shot At New Life Church Gunman 2 Churchgoers Dead - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

Remember This SC Concealed Carrier Stops Mass Shooting During Church Service. No Casualties. ( 0 dead)

**********

No guns: 15 dead

Sikh temple ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston ( 9 dead)


Parishioners with guns: 2 dead

Osceola ( 0 dead )

New life ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

South Carolina shotgun guy ( 0 dead)


Temple massacre has some Sikhs mulling gun ownership

The president of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin had only a butter knife on hand, which he used to fight the gunman. He was killed, but his heroic actions were credited for slowing the shooter. Guns were not allowed in the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin.

“No guns [were] allowed in the temple,” Kulbir Singh, an attendee of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin, told FoxNews.com. “Everyone knows that it’s not allowed, anywhere in the temple.”

 

[2aguy]

The murders in Chicago are all over the media, by the what-you-accuse-of-being LW media. How many times have you seen Hillary and Obama meeting with the mothers of children killed by gun violence? They're not all from Newtown, you know. That is a wacked perception. If the left didn't care about illegal guns, they wouldn't be calling for gun control. Who cares if a law abiding citizen has them? It's when they are used to commit crimes that they become an issue. Thousands of times a year in this country.

Bullshit.

Show me ONE story about the meat puppet faggot or the criminally insane totalitarian sociopath hag going out of their way to meet with an obscure victim of ghetto violence.

It's always a photo op with a high profile incident and it's ALWAYS an orchestrated political propaganda effort.

One of each.

Obama just gave one of the most emotional speeches of his presidency
Mothers Of Police And Gun Violence Victims Say Hillary Clinton Deserves The Black Vote

Yes......blacks in democrat controlled voting districts are only loosing their young black men to murder by other black men and jail.......they sure do owe a lot to the democrats.....

 

[Carla_Danger]

You're the one who seems to be making it racial. Just omit the word "white" from your conservatives label, and you're all set.
And are black liberals calling for gun control? I never hear, one way or the other. If it's their neighborhoods where this is going down, they should have a voice.

Nice try, but control is about those who own guns, legally. Not about illegal guns, the left is not worried about illegal guns, just the legal ones. That is why the NRA is always mentioned.That is why the murders in Chicago aren't mentioned.

Complete horseshit.

Seems like I hit the nerve. Thanks for confirming.

You just confirmed you're a moron. No one wants to take guns from law abiding citizens.

Did I say that? I said it is about trying to over regulate legal guns, not confiscating them. Maybe you should try taking reading comprehension lessons.

I'll refresh your memory, moron. You clearly state that liberals are attacking (boo hoo) white conservatives, (eye roll) and want to ban your guns. See, I even underlined it for ya.

It is all about liberals attacking white conservatives, if you think it is racial that is your issue. It is more political, it is white conservatives that get attacked on this issue. Chicago had 40 plus gun injuries this weekend and the left is silent. Make it one guy in Houston, TX shooting and it is the end of the world, guns need banned, white guys that belong to the NRA are corrupt and are all for murder. It is plain stupid rhetoric by liberals.

 

[Brain357]

Hey....old lady.....how is it that in France you can't buy fully automatic rifles, they are completely illegal, there are no gun stores and you can't buy them......in a country with absolute gun control....every gun law you want, and they have even banned the actual guns you say you hate.....

and 140 people were murdered with those illegal guns and hundreds wounded in France last year.........

in the united states we have AR-15s in every gun store, with 3,750,000 in private hands........you can own them and in many states carry them....

we had 14 deaths .....at the hands of muslim terrorists.....

Do you see how stupid your position is now?

Stupid is comparing the terrorist attacks we have had to France. Without such huge attacks we have way more gun homicide.

Moron....this entire thread and the other one you say we need to ban AR-15s.........and in the country that did exactly what you say you want.....they have banned all rifles.....including AR-15s and fully automatic rifles....you can't buy them you can't own them and if you are caught with one you go to jail.....

And they had more deaths with those illegally owned guns than we had with 3,750,000 million legal guns in law abiding private hands you moronic troll......nothing you say is true, right or honest...

Yes I want them to be harder to get and let people be caught illegally buying them before people are killed. You want to arm the mass shooters with the most dangerous guns. Machine guns are almost never used since we made it harder to get them.

Boy...you are stupid.

they are completely illegal in France....and terrorists and criminals get them easily and murdered more people with them than any of our criminals over here.....who can right now...get them easily.......

we have 3,750,000 million AR-15s in private hands and our people did not murder 140 people and injure hundreds with them.........

Easily? Is that why they have so little gun crime? You are a joke.

 

[2aguy]

Hey....old lady.....how is it that in France you can't buy fully automatic rifles, they are completely illegal, there are no gun stores and you can't buy them......in a country with absolute gun control....every gun law you want, and they have even banned the actual guns you say you hate.....

and 140 people were murdered with those illegal guns and hundreds wounded in France last year.........

in the united states we have AR-15s in every gun store, with 3,750,000 in private hands........you can own them and in many states carry them....

we had 14 deaths .....at the hands of muslim terrorists.....

Do you see how stupid your position is now?

Stupid is comparing the terrorist attacks we have had to France. Without such huge attacks we have way more gun homicide.

Moron....this entire thread and the other one you say we need to ban AR-15s.........and in the country that did exactly what you say you want.....they have banned all rifles.....including AR-15s and fully automatic rifles....you can't buy them you can't own them and if you are caught with one you go to jail.....

And they had more deaths with those illegally owned guns than we had with 3,750,000 million legal guns in law abiding private hands you moronic troll......nothing you say is true, right or honest...

Yes I want them to be harder to get and let people be caught illegally buying them before people are killed. You want to arm the mass shooters with the most dangerous guns. Machine guns are almost never used since we made it harder to get them.

Boy...you are stupid.

they are completely illegal in France....and terrorists and criminals get them easily and murdered more people with them than any of our criminals over here.....who can right now...get them easily.......

we have 3,750,000 million AR-15s in private hands and our people did not murder 140 people and injure hundreds with them.........

Easily? Is that why they have so little gun crime? You are a joke.

No...they have very little gun crime because their criminals don't commit murder with their guns....our thug culture over here likes to commit murder.....the worst crime in Paris used to be pick pockets......murder is a cultural issue, not a gun issue...since French criminals get fully automatic rifles easily....as I have linked and posted about repeatedly.......and as the 140 dead and hundreds of wounded in Paris would tell you...if they hadn't been killed with illegal, fully automatic rifles in a gun free country in a gun free city in a gun free zone.........

 

[Carla_Danger]

2aguy

Here's a message from the Houston police department concerning the good guy with a gun.

"What he did was very brave, but officers are trained in these active shooter situations (but) he was outgunned, out-maneuvered," said acting Houston Police Chief Martha Montalvo.

She advised the public instead to "call the police and let us do what we have to do."

Gunman Slain in Houston Shooting Rampage Was Army Vet



Good guy with a gun almost got himself killed for no reason. In the end, the cops are the ones who resolved the issue, doing their jobs in what they are trained to do.

In your public display of ignorance have you yet realized cops are not always where you need them?

OMG, you're so stupid.

The cops were certainly there, and they are the ones who resolved the issue in this particular case, not the good guy with the gun.

And two highly trained cops were also shot........and it took them an hour to take the guy down.....

When there are good guys on the scene with guns lives are saved...as I showed you with the church shootings......

NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE!

Try to stay on topic. If you want to talk gun statistics, go start another thread. I am only interested in discussing the topic of this thread.

 

[2aguy]

2aguy

Here's a message from the Houston police department concerning the good guy with a gun.

"What he did was very brave, but officers are trained in these active shooter situations (but) he was outgunned, out-maneuvered," said acting Houston Police Chief Martha Montalvo.

She advised the public instead to "call the police and let us do what we have to do."

Gunman Slain in Houston Shooting Rampage Was Army Vet



Good guy with a gun almost got himself killed for no reason. In the end, the cops are the ones who resolved the issue, doing their jobs in what they are trained to do.

In your public display of ignorance have you yet realized cops are not always where you need them?

OMG, you're so stupid.

The cops were certainly there, and they are the ones who resolved the issue in this particular case, not the good guy with the gun.

And two highly trained cops were also shot........and it took them an hour to take the guy down.....

When there are good guys on the scene with guns lives are saved...as I showed you with the church shootings......

NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE!

Try to stay on topic. If you want to talk gun statistics, go start another thread. I am only interested in discussing the topic of this thread.

I am....you are implying that because this gun fight went to the bad guy that all attempts by concealed carry permit holders end up the same way.......

This was a case of a 2 tour combat vet with a rifle in open terrain being able to shoot farther than the guy with the pistol.......

The other times that a concealed carry gun owner took out a mass shooter went the other way......but let's ignore those and keep implying that your screwed up views are right......

 

[Arianrhod]

In your public display of ignorance have you yet realized cops are not always where you need them?

Whereas the Good Guy with a Gun™ can be counted on to be exactly where the rest of us don't need him.

except for these 12 shootings where we did want them....

12 Times Mass Shootings Were Stopped by Good Guys With Guns

May 27, 2010
A 79-year-old man entered an AT&T store in New York Mills, New York carrying a .357 magnum revolver in his hand and a list of employees he planned to kill in his pocket. Hearing the hand cannon go off, Donald J. Moore drew his own personal weapon and killed the gunman before he could complete his plan. One employee was wounded in the shooting.

March 25, 2012
Aaron Guyton was inside the recreation building of his grandfather’s church when he saw Jessie Gates, a member of the congregation, pulling a shotgun from his vehicle. Guyton leapt into action, locking the doors to the church where services were going on. Gates kicked in the door and pointed the shotgun at Rev. Henry Guyton and several parishioners. Drawing his concealed handgun, the younger Guyton held Gates at gunpoint while two members of the church took him to the ground. Rev. Guyton then took the shotgun from his hand.

Dec. 11, 2012
Two people were killed and a third was seriously wounded at Clackamas Town Center near Portland, Oregon when a rifle-toting gunman opened fire in in the busy food court. Nick Meli, a shopper in the mall, drew a personally owned firearm on the gunman, who immediately retreated to a service corridor and killed himself. Meli did not fire his weapon for fear of striking bystanders yet authorities say his actions caused the gunman to cease his attack and end his own life.

January 11, 2014
After being refused entry to the strip club for belligerent behavior and racist comments earlir in the night, Thomas Elliott Hjelmeland returned carrying a handgun and wearing a Halloween mask. As soon as he entered the club, Hjelmeland opened fire, striking bouncer Brian Rizzo, a patron, and a waitress. Another bouncer, Jonathan Baer drew his concealed handgun and shot Hjelmeland, killing him.

Following the attack Baer posted to Facebook: “I did what I felt was right to stop the shooter…I carry every day, and will continue to, and will so with the hope that I will NEVER have to pull it out again.”

So the only possible solution is mandatory carry for everyone? Starting at what age? Visually impaired as well? What are your parameters?

 

[2aguy]

Hey....old lady.....how is it that in France you can't buy fully automatic rifles, they are completely illegal, there are no gun stores and you can't buy them......in a country with absolute gun control....every gun law you want, and they have even banned the actual guns you say you hate.....

and 140 people were murdered with those illegal guns and hundreds wounded in France last year.........

in the united states we have AR-15s in every gun store, with 3,750,000 in private hands........you can own them and in many states carry them....

we had 14 deaths .....at the hands of muslim terrorists.....

Do you see how stupid your position is now?

Stupid is comparing the terrorist attacks we have had to France. Without such huge attacks we have way more gun homicide.

Moron....this entire thread and the other one you say we need to ban AR-15s.........and in the country that did exactly what you say you want.....they have banned all rifles.....including AR-15s and fully automatic rifles....you can't buy them you can't own them and if you are caught with one you go to jail.....

And they had more deaths with those illegally owned guns than we had with 3,750,000 million legal guns in law abiding private hands you moronic troll......nothing you say is true, right or honest...

Yes I want them to be harder to get and let people be caught illegally buying them before people are killed. You want to arm the mass shooters with the most dangerous guns. Machine guns are almost never used since we made it harder to get them.

Boy...you are stupid.

they are completely illegal in France....and terrorists and criminals get them easily and murdered more people with them than any of our criminals over here.....who can right now...get them easily.......

we have 3,750,000 million AR-15s in private hands and our people did not murder 140 people and injure hundreds with them.........

Easily? Is that why they have so little gun crime? You are a joke.

France is awash in guns......

France’s real gun problem

Despite these strict laws, France seems to be awash with guns. The guns used in high-profile terror attacks are really just the tip of the iceberg. In 2012, French authorities estimated that there were around 30,000 guns illegally in the country, many likely used by gangs for criminal activities. Of those guns, around 4,000 were likely to be "war weapons," Le Figaro reported, referring to items such as the Kalashnikov AK-variant rifles and Uzis.

Statistics from the National Observatory for Delinquency, a government body created in 2003, suggest that the number of guns in France has grown by double digits every year.

 

[beagle9]

Someone ask the guy that put himself at risk by choice and got shot if he would do it again.

He accomplished nothing. Saved no one.

But he was stupid enough to think his 9mm or .380 or whatever he was carrying was going to take on an AR 15 and win.
So he got himself shot. Twice. Right? Lucky to be alive.
WTF do they teach in these CCW classes?

. I would have went up against the murderous psychopath with a pellet gun if I thought it would stop or distract him long enough for the Calvary to arrive. Ever watch the world war two doc. called "Dammed those Engineers" ? They were a rag tag outfit of engineers who put a stop to Piepers reign of terror in trying to reach a point in order to close the doorway of the allies last hope. You have to have that same type of character in life or fall to the situation as a coward, and worse leaving your fellow Americans dead because you coward in the darkness like a wimp shaking and trembling.

 

[Asclepias]

2aguy

Here's a message from the Houston police department concerning the good guy with a gun.

"What he did was very brave, but officers are trained in these active shooter situations (but) he was outgunned, out-maneuvered," said acting Houston Police Chief Martha Montalvo.

She advised the public instead to "call the police and let us do what we have to do."

Gunman Slain in Houston Shooting Rampage Was Army Vet



Good guy with a gun almost got himself killed for no reason. In the end, the cops are the ones who resolved the issue, doing their jobs in what they are trained to do.

In your public display of ignorance have you yet realized cops are not always where you need them?

OMG, you're so stupid.

The cops were certainly there, and they are the ones who resolved the issue in this particular case, not the good guy with the gun.

And two highly trained cops were also shot........and it took them an hour to take the guy down.....

When there are good guys on the scene with guns lives are saved...as I showed you with the church shootings......

NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE!

Try to stay on topic. If you want to talk gun statistics, go start another thread. I am only interested in discussing the topic of this thread.

Any thread 2aguy is on becomes a gun rights rant thread. The boy is stuck on one track.

 

[2aguy]

2aguy

Here's a message from the Houston police department concerning the good guy with a gun.

"What he did was very brave, but officers are trained in these active shooter situations (but) he was outgunned, out-maneuvered," said acting Houston Police Chief Martha Montalvo.

She advised the public instead to "call the police and let us do what we have to do."

Gunman Slain in Houston Shooting Rampage Was Army Vet



Good guy with a gun almost got himself killed for no reason. In the end, the cops are the ones who resolved the issue, doing their jobs in what they are trained to do.

In your public display of ignorance have you yet realized cops are not always where you need them?

OMG, you're so stupid.

The cops were certainly there, and they are the ones who resolved the issue in this particular case, not the good guy with the gun.

And two highly trained cops were also shot........and it took them an hour to take the guy down.....

When there are good guys on the scene with guns lives are saved...as I showed you with the church shootings......

NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE!

Try to stay on topic. If you want to talk gun statistics, go start another thread. I am only interested in discussing the topic of this thread.

Any thread 2aguy is on becomes a gun rights rant thread. The boy is stuck on one track.

Yes....defending civil rights.....not a bad track to be on....

 

[Papageorgio]

Nice try, but control is about those who own guns, legally. Not about illegal guns, the left is not worried about illegal guns, just the legal ones. That is why the NRA is always mentioned.That is why the murders in Chicago aren't mentioned.

Complete horseshit.

Seems like I hit the nerve. Thanks for confirming.

You just confirmed you're a moron. No one wants to take guns from law abiding citizens.

Did I say that? I said it is about trying to over regulate legal guns, not confiscating them. Maybe you should try taking reading comprehension lessons.

I'll refresh your memory, moron. You clearly state that liberals are attacking (boo hoo) white conservatives, (eye roll) and want to ban your guns. See, I even underlined it for ya.

It is all about liberals attacking white conservatives, if you think it is racial that is your issue. It is more political, it is white conservatives that get attacked on this issue. Chicago had 40 plus gun injuries this weekend and the left is silent. Make it one guy in Houston, TX shooting and it is the end of the world, guns need banned, white guys that belong to the NRA are corrupt and are all for murder. It is plain stupid rhetoric by liberals.

What post number is this taken from? I have looked at all my posts and can't find

Nice try, but control is about those who own guns, legally. Not about illegal guns, the left is not worried about illegal guns, just the legal ones. That is why the NRA is always mentioned.That is why the murders in Chicago aren't mentioned.

Complete horseshit.

Seems like I hit the nerve. Thanks for confirming.

You just confirmed you're a moron. No one wants to take guns from law abiding citizens.

Did I say that? I said it is about trying to over regulate legal guns, not confiscating them. Maybe you should try taking reading comprehension lessons.

I'll refresh your memory, moron. You clearly state that liberals are attacking (boo hoo) white conservatives, (eye roll) and want to ban your guns. See, I even underlined it for ya.

It is all about liberals attacking white conservatives, if you think it is racial that is your issue. It is more political, it is white conservatives that get attacked on this issue. Chicago had 40 plus gun injuries this weekend and the left is silent. Make it one guy in Houston, TX shooting and it is the end of the world, guns need banned, white guys that belong to the NRA are corrupt and are all for murder. It is plain stupid rhetoric by liberals.

Again, you need to brush up on reading comprehension.