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Ah yes, them thar librul scientists are a bunch of pointy headed queers. And all us good rednecks don't need no damned science, we got Rush.
Sorry boys, flap yap at whatever extent you wish, in whatever language you wish. Will not change reality one whit. And the reality is a rapidly warming Arctic.
Ah yes, them thar librul scientists are a bunch of pointy headed queers. And all us good rednecks don't need no damned science, we got Rush.
Sorry boys, flap yap at whatever extent you wish, in whatever language you wish. Will not change reality one whit. And the reality is a rapidly warming Arctic.
"Counter argument#1:
Well, biPolar, you know why English is the language the world over for air traffic control. You lost the bloody war.
#2
====>You are correct. Only been as far north as Yellowknife. And that was in '75. But I find it far more likely that trained scientists would be more accurate in their observations than an anonymous poster on an internet message board. And when you have scientists from all over the world, including the nations that border the Arctic reporting that the Arctic is warming, that leads me to believe said poster is full of shit.
#3
=====>You mean like the scientists that have spent years in the Arctic studying that region.
#4
=====>The research team was led by Eric Post, Penn State University, and included biologists, ecologists, geographers, botanists, anthropologists, and fish and wildlife experts
I did not loose the war! Are You sure it`s over? Rumor has it a lot of us Nazis are still hiding in Canada and Brazil...You know..."The boys from Brazil"?You lost the bloody war.
A sticker for detail like You should know this: except in Quebec...English is the language the world over for air traffic control.
So You think You have been in the arctic..You are correct. Only been as far north as Yellowknife.
Yellowknife, Northwest Territories
Lat: 62.47N, Lon: 114.43W
Temp: -31°C
be more accurate in their observations than an anonymous poster on an internet message board.
Another interesting use of models has been to use them, along with historical data, to produce a best estimate of the weather conditions over the entire globe during the last 50 years, filling in regions where no observations were made. These reanalysis datasets help compensate for the lack of observations over the Arctic
You mean like the scientists that have spent years in the Arctic studying that region.
The research team was led by Eric Post, Penn State University, and included biologists, ecologists, geographers, botanists, anthropologists, and fish and wildlife experts....blah blah blah..
For the past 50 years till present date !!!produce a best estimate
help compensate for the lack of observations over the Arctic
Well, biPolar, you know why English is the language the world over for air traffic control. You lost the bloody war.
The freezing point of sea water decreases as salt concentration increases. At a typical salinity it freezes at about −2 °C (28.4 °F).[1] The coldest sea water ever recorded (in a liquid state) was in 2010, in a stream under an Antarctic glacier, and measured −2.6 °C (27 °F).[2]
24 Hour Summary
Time
EST (UTC) Temperature
F (C) Dew Point
F (C) Pressure
Inches (hPa) Wind
MPH Weather
Latest 5 PM (22) Jan 30 -13 (-25) 28.89 (978) NNE 13 light snow grains; mist
4 PM (21) Jan 30 -13 (-25) 28.89 (978) NE 16 light snow grains; blowing snow
3 PM (20) Jan 30 -11 (-24) 28.89 (978) NNE 20 light snow grains; blowing snow; mist
2 PM (19) Jan 30 -11 (-24) 28.9 (978) NNE 16 light snow grains; blowing snow; freezing fog
1 PM (18) Jan 30 -11 (-24) 28.89 (978) NNE 17 light snow grains; blowing snow
Noon (17) Jan 30 -11 (-24) 28.89 (978) NNE 17 light snow grains; blowing snow
11 AM (16) Jan 30 -11 (-24) 28.9 (978) NNE 18 snow grains; blowing snow
10 AM (15) Jan 30 -11 (-24) 28.9 (978) NNE 17 snow grains; blowing snow
9 AM (14) Jan 30 -11 (-24) 28.91 (979) NE 16 light snow grains; blowing snow
8 AM (13) No Data
7 AM (12) Jan 30 -11 (-24) 28.91 (979) N 24 light snow grains; blowing snow
6 AM (11) No Data
5 AM (10) No Data
4 AM (9) No Data
3 AM (8) No Data
2 AM (7) No Data
1 AM (6) Jan 30 -9 (-23) 28.9 (978) NNE 20 light snow grains; blowing snow
Midnight (5) No Data
11 PM (4) No Data
10 PM (3) No Data
9 PM (2) No Data
8 PM (1) No Data
7 PM (0) Jan 29 -14 (-26) 28.89 (978) NNE 16 ice crystals; blowing snow
Oldest 6 PM (23) No Data
Time
EST (UTC) Temperature
F(C) Dew Point
F(C) Pressure
Inches(hPa) Wind
(MPH) Weather
Coldest Temp:
-129°F (-89°C) on July 21, 1983
Location: Vostok Station
Warmest Temp:
+59°F (+15°C) on Jan 5, 1974
Location: Vanda Station
Mean Temps:
Winter: -40 to -94°F (-40 to -70°C)
Summer: -5 to -31°F (-15 to -35°C)
Why is Antarctica so Cold?
Several factors combine to making Antarctica one of the coldest and least hospitable places on the Earth:
* Unlike the Arctic region, Antarctica is a continent surrounded by an ocean which means that interior areas do not benefit from the moderating influence of water.
* With 98% of its area covered with snow and ice, the Antarctic continent reflects most of the sun's light rather than absorbing it.
* The extreme dryness of the air causes any heat that is radiated back into the atmosphere to be lost instead of being absorbed by the water vapor in the atmosphere.
* During the winter, the size of Antarctica doubles as the surrounding sea water freezes, effectively blocking heat transfer from the warmer surrounding ocean.
* Antarctica has a higher average elevation than any other continent on Earth which results in even colder temperatures.
produce a best estimate
help compensate for the lack of observations over the Arctic
If you think Polar's posts are long, wait for Old Rocks to respond with his Epic Wall of Text. It will be off-topic, mind-numbing, and just generally wrong on several different levels. But one thing you can count on........it will be HUGE!!!!
But I have have to thank Polar for showing up.
A voice of reason among the religious AGW fanatics is quite refreshing!
(I've told them they should just go get laid, but they won't listen to me).
Polar.....thanks for what you do.....not just here on the board
If you think Polar's posts are long, wait for Old Rocks to respond with his Epic Wall of Text. It will be off-topic, mind-numbing, and just generally wrong on several different levels. But one thing you can count on........it will be HUGE!!!!
But I have have to thank Polar for showing up.
A voice of reason among the religious AGW fanatics is quite refreshing!
(I've told them they should just go get laid, but they won't listen to me).
Polar.....thanks for what you do.....not just here on the board
Hey, I apologize for that, but I think You and everybody else has a right to these pictures.
National Geographic would never publish these even if I paid them to do it...
So, I came here `cause I thought a lot of farmers, ranchers, drill rig workers, and other Americans that have to drive to work every day should be able to see what is real and what is memorex concerning the arctic...
I wish one of You guys would go in my album and download + copy pictures and make bumper stickers or something!
If you think Polar's posts are long, wait for Old Rocks to respond with his Epic Wall of Text. It will be off-topic, mind-numbing, and just generally wrong on several different levels. But one thing you can count on........it will be HUGE!!!!
But I have have to thank Polar for showing up.
A voice of reason among the religious AGW fanatics is quite refreshing!
(I've told them they should just go get laid, but they won't listen to me).
Polar.....thanks for what you do.....not just here on the board
Hey, I apologize for that, but I think You and everybody else has a right to these pictures.
National Geographic would never publish these even if I paid them to do it...
So, I came here `cause I thought a lot of farmers, ranchers, drill rig workers, and other Americans that have to drive to work every day should be able to see what is real and what is memorex concerning the arctic...
I wish one of You guys would go in my album and download + copy pictures and make bumper stickers or something!
No apologies necessary (I actually enjoy all the data, and maybe even more so, your insight).
And I admit, it is fun to watch a true Scientist taking a handful of neophytes to the woodshed, when all they have are their propagandized talking points and personal opinion.
They want so badly for it all to be true, but the numbers just aren't there. Yet I give them credit for remaining faithful to their religion, even in the absence of scientific proof.
Thanks again, and please, keep going
Hey why be so modest don`t exclude Yourself!So we have someone that dislikes scientists, liberals, gays, native americans, and anybody else that is not Polar Bear trying to tell us that the Arctic is not warming.
And in the meantime we have scientists like these that warned us years ago about the present methane releases
http://earth.usc.edu/ftp/lund/BERIN...Eurasian Basin/Shakova and Semiletov 2007.pdf
Methane release and coastal environment in the
East Siberian Arctic shelf
N. Shakhova ⁎, I. Semiletov
So we have someone that dislikes scientists, liberals, gays, native americans, and anybody else that is not Polar Bear trying to tell us that the Arctic is not warming.
And in the meantime we have scientists like these that warned us years ago about the present methane releases
http://earth.usc.edu/ftp/lund/BERIN...Eurasian Basin/Shakova and Semiletov 2007.pdf
Methane release and coastal environment in the
East Siberian Arctic shelf
N. Shakhova ⁎, I. Semiletov
Read it and weep:Arctic oil reserves (in billions of barrels above) are largely under the ocean
And in the meantime we have scientists like these that warned us years ago about the present methane releases
http://earth.usc.edu/ftp/lund/BERIN...Eurasian Basin/Shakova and Semiletov 2007.pdf
Methane release and coastal environment in the
East Siberian Arctic shelf
N. Shakhova ⁎, I. Semiletov
Environment Science Council meeting
Alarming new facts are tabled at the recent council meeting
Things may get worse than expected as a stunning new development unfolds
JENNIFER MACEY: So why has it broken off at this time?
ANDREAS MUENCHOW: Nobody really knows why it happened on Thursday but floating ice shelves or glaciers, it's natural that they break off.
JENNIFER MACEY: Is global warming or is climate change a factor?
ANDREAS MUENCHOW: Climate change is definitely a factor. I have no doubt in my mind about it but the question is about how much, and how precisely does that connection work?
And that's the part where I don't think we can really tell. And this specific glacier is being melted by how much heat the ocean is providing from below. This ice sheet is 200, 300, 400, 500 metres thick and it's floating on the ocean and the ocean underneath is relatively warm to melt it.
So you're melting this glacier from below, pretty much year round.
JENNIFER MACEY: So do we know that the ocean or the sea temperatures are warming in that region?
ANDREAS MUENCHOW: You see that's the trick, no we don't know and the reason that we don't know is because the first time that a person has actually measured temperatures in the ocean inside this fjord has been in 2003.
Now if you compare temperatures from 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, those were the four times that we were in there, um yeah, four data point, it goes up and it goes down. So on seven years of temperature record I cannot say if global warming is at work or not.
And this specific glacier is being melted by how much heat the ocean is providing from below. This ice sheet is 200, 300, 400, 500 metres thick and it's floating on the ocean and the ocean underneath is relatively warm to melt it.
At the glacier's terminus or end, huge slabs of ice are weakened and then broken by the action of the rising and falling tides. This process is called calving and results in an iceberg's birth.
Models
While there are no validated sea ice forecasting models developed that would indicate this sea ice edge recession calculation, the results of the in-house Helfrich Statistical Ross Sea Opening Model [2], are considered in determining the final results of this outlook. This is a linear regression model, assisting in indicating the recession of the Ross Sea ice edge and a navigable
. Model variables include September Antarctic Oscillation values, vernal winds velocities off the Ross Ice Shelf, cumulative air temperatures, strength of the vernal Ross Sea Low, and the mean amplitude of ice extent latitude in October. Since this tool is still under evaluation and has not undergone peer review, it is treated as only one tool within the overall assessment.
See this is why EVERYBODY who is on station up there knew what kind of lies You are being told by "climatology" and the media:Mr. BROECKER: Well, it was dumb luck, because it turns out that the record in Greenland was a very unusual record, and as we over the years got more and more records, the cycles that showed up so strongly in this Northern Greenland ice core didn't show up anywhere else.
I have to learn to shorten my postings, but the problem is that there is a huge amount of info that for some reason the press does not want to mention.there is a huge difference between matthew and old rocks. matthew is looking for understanding and doesnt shy away from areas that are at odds with his beliefs and old rocks KNOWS the TRUTH and anyone who disagrees with him has corrupt intentions.
The principal origin of those icebergs that reach the North Atlantic Ocean are the 100 or so major tidewater glaciers of West Greenland. Between 10,000 to 15,000 icebergs are calved each year, primarily from 20 major glaciers between the Jacobshaven and Humboldt Glaciers.
That`s how easy it is to find it:to produce a best estimate
help compensate for the lack of observations over the Arctic
and last not least don`t forget what we also know about the Nares strait water temperatures THEY HAVE NOT CHANGED AT ALL BUT WERE ALWAYS AT THE SAME TEMPERATURE...and ships could go into that open water way back in the 18 hundreds...like HMS Discovery had!...she was not an ice breaker...1.) Look at the color coded scale...notice something?
Look at the color scale for an INCREASE !
2.) If he was an "expert" he should have noticed where the highest decrease is!
That`s where You have the STEEPEST terrain gradients in all of Greenland, nowhere else does it drop off that steep and that long...
Now if you compare temperatures from 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, those were the four times that we were in there, um yeah, four data point, it goes up and it goes down. So on seven years of temperature record I cannot say if global warming is at work or not.
During the 4-season effort (extended to 6-seasons, because 2 prior field seasons were supported by a related SGER project), 8 automatic weather stations (AWS) equipped with specialized sensors useful in understanding iceberg drift, melting and break-up (e.g., global positioning system (GPS) receivers, thermistor strings to measure firn temperature, solar flux pyranometers, etc.) were deployed
Iceberg and Ice-Shelf Response to Sea Swell and distantly sourced Tsunamis. In addition to the study of IHT (above), the seismic data collected on icebergs C16 and B15A, and Nascent Iceberg (on the Ross Ice Shelf) revealed the extent to which large floating ice masses respond to ocean swell and to earthquake generated tsunamis. Two tsunamis were recorded by the seismometers in late December of 2004. One was associated with the Sumatra Earthquake (Magnitude 9.3 on 26 December, 2004), the other was associated with a smaller, less publicized earthquake occurring near the Macquarie Islands (23 December, 2004). Equally striking is the fact that sea swell generated by storms in the Pacific, Indian and Southern oceans excites the strongest and most persistent motions of the icebergs and ice shelves in the frequency band below about 0.1 Hz.
Ice Shelf response to ocean tide and tidal variations in ice stream inflow. Kelly Brunt created the first numerical model of an ice shelf's response to ocean tide. This model also investigated the sensitivity of ice-shelf flow to the tidal modulation of ice-stream input. The work formed the basis of her PhD thesis, which was successfully defended in Spring of 2008.
See it`s the same problem as trying to disillusion believers in para-physics that supernatural forces were not at play when a "crop circle" appeared in a wheat field.JENNIFER MACEY: So why has it broken off at this time?
JENNIFER MACEY: Is global warming or is climate change a factor?
JENNIFER MACEY: So do we know that the ocean or the sea temperatures are warming in that region?
to be a civilian and to quit cussing...
but when I came south and see nothing but this in the media, that does not help:
Because in the arctic, this is the only place where You might see a Polarbear like this in the summer time, and that would be in that Nares straight between Ellesmere and Greenland.:
And that is always open water and always has been...even when they arrived here:
That is THE ONLY place where You migth see a polarbear like that.
But they don`t drown!...
and there is A LOT of ice all around as and it stays! This is a look just a little to the left at the same day and time as we snapped that picture: in the middle of summer
This is also in the summer on Ellesmere Island,,,else THERE WOULD BE NO SUN..:
And on our side Nares straight looks like this in the summer:
And that melt is not from the "heat" but because that water is always "warm".
For FFFFFFFhshh sake how can these bastards con this many people, I thought at least the people that gave Al Gore the Nobel Prize would know:
Seawater - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The rest of Ellesmere Island right next to Greenland looks except where there is no drift snow pretty much like this ALL SUMMER LONG:The freezing point of sea water decreases as salt concentration increases. At a typical salinity it freezes at about −2 °C (28.4 °F).[1] The coldest sea water ever recorded (in a liquid state) was in 2010, in a stream under an Antarctic glacier, and measured −2.6 °C (27 °F).[2]
And even to this day "climatologists" do not collect daily temperature data about Canada`s vast arctic area, but simply took a wild guess what these might have been for the past 50 Years and tell You the arctic is warming up
And almost every newspaper and 97% of the "experts" echo that like a parrot!
My God what the hell are they photographing up there, they must do that somewhere way down south near an Iqaluit dump in the middle of July!
Because the arctic looks like this all summer long:
And they show crap like this to the public in the United States; without even measuring a single day in the past 50 years to this date what the temperatures actually are:
PlanetBye: In The Arctic
"observed temperatures" while in fact they have not observed anything:Arctic Temperature
Climate of the Arctic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Another interesting use of models has been to use them, along with historical data, to produce a best estimate of the weather conditions over the entire globe during the last 50 years, filling in regions where no observations were made. These reanalysis datasets help compensate for the lack of observations over the Arctic
to con them with their "calculated average arctic temperature" into the same gas prices at the pump as in Germany, whose "climate chancellor" Angela Merkel has been twisting the arm of every U.S. President since she has been in Office to sign on to her bullshit "Greenhouse Gas Legislation"...all the while bankers are already salivating over the distinct possibility they get a world trade with the "Carbon credits" which would dwarf the NASDAC,+ the DAX + the FTSE + the NIKKEi and the HANG SENG all lumped as one.
And at the same time I am trying to quit swearing at people who tell me they know what`s going on in the arctic...because of the bullshit in the internet which is the same bullshit as in the newspapers and on TV:
OSU study: Arctic warming could be worse than thought | KVAL CBS 13 - News, Weather and Sports - Eugene, OR - Eugene, Oregon | Local & Regional News
OSU study: Arctic warming could be worse than thought
CORVALLIS, Ore. A new analysis of the Northern Hemispheres albedo feedback over a 30-year period concludes that the regions loss of reflectivity due to snow and sea ice decline is more than double what state-of-the-art climate models estimate.
and stick it in my face
it`s not easy to quit calling people who believe this crap some choice names after they drew first blood in that department.... I tell You!
I think I`ll go to back my roots for a while coming summer vacation and see if my uncle there left me one of those in his will and start shooting:
Yeah "OldRock" now You have yet one more witty "come back" the next time You show up in this thread!
But careful, I might just get a fix on Your coordinates!
Sieg Heil!
Just kidding, all I vant is peace, a little piece of Russia and a little piece of Poland
Und dann ist alles in (Welt)-Ordnung! Alles klar jetzt, Lieber?
You mean like the scientists that have spent years in the Arctic studying that region.
You mean like the scientists that have spent years in the Arctic studying that region.
Oh, you mean the ones who keep falsifying the data? Those guys?
+=====>That's a picture of Gustav I am not familiar with. Where is it from?
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Worlds most impressive gun
Schwerer Gustav and Dora were the names under which the German(world war 2) 80 cm K railway guns were known. They were developed in the late 1930s by Krupp in order tSchwerer Gustav and Dorao destroy large, heavily fortified targets.Krupp built a test model in late 1939 and sent it to the Hillersleben firing range for testing. Penetration was tested on this occasion. Firing almost vertically, the gun was able to penetrate the specified 7 meters of concrete and 1 meter of armour plate.The ammunition for the gun consisted of a heavy concrete-piercing shell and a lighter higSchwerer Gustav and Dorah-explosive shell. A super-long-range rocket projectile was also planned with a range of 150 km that would require the barrel being extended to 84 m. This rocket projectile would have enabled the bombardment of England.
