237 years later - Has government dependency hurt Whites in America?

[Asclepias]

if whites are so mean to you, why do you want to live with them?

seems you need them to raise you up

We dont want to live with you. You just happen to be in the country as well. You guys are the ones trying to copy everything Black culture produces. We built this country and thats why we want to stay here. Why give it to you after all the hard work we put in?

who is always wanting whitey to do something for them?

go away

I dont know of anyone that feels like they want whitey to do anything but get out of the way. So please do that and I promise no one will weep.

 

[squeeze berry]

We dont want to live with you. You just happen to be in the country as well. You guys are the ones trying to copy everything Black culture produces. We built this country and thats why we want to stay here. Why give it to you after all the hard work we put in?

who is always wanting whitey to do something for them?

go away

I dont know of anyone that feels like they want whitey to do anything but get out of the way. So please do that and I promise no one will weep.

africa is that way --------->

 

[Asclepias]

who is always wanting whitey to do something for them?

go away

I dont know of anyone that feels like they want whitey to do anything but get out of the way. So please do that and I promise no one will weep.

africa is that way --------->

Europe is that way too -------> Ask the natives which race they would like to see leave.

 

[squeeze berry]

I dont know of anyone that feels like they want whitey to do anything but get out of the way. So please do that and I promise no one will weep.

africa is that way --------->

Europe is that way too -------> Ask the natives which race they would like to see leave.

If whitey is so mean to you, leave

 

[Asclepias]

africa is that way --------->

Europe is that way too -------> Ask the natives which race they would like to see leave.

If whitey is so mean to you, leave

If you think whitey is mean then you leave.

 

[Vox]

I dont know of anyone that feels like they want whitey to do anything but get out of the way. So please do that and I promise no one will weep.

africa is that way --------->

Europe is that way too -------> Ask the natives which race they would like to see leave.

I couldn't care less

I am not moving anywhere

 

[Asclepias]

africa is that way --------->

Europe is that way too -------> Ask the natives which race they would like to see leave.

I couldn't care less

I am not moving anywhere

Right there with you. I'm not going anywhere.

 

[Vox]

Europe is that way too -------> Ask the natives which race they would like to see leave.

I couldn't care less

I am not moving anywhere

Right there with you. I'm not going anywhere.

couldn't care less.

so.

did we find out how did 200+ years hurt and whom?

 

[squeeze berry]

Europe is that way too -------> Ask the natives which race they would like to see leave.

I couldn't care less

I am not moving anywhere

Right there with you. I'm not going anywhere.

you should first ask permission to criticize white people.

permission denied

 

[Sunshine]

We certainly have a number of bedwetting far right reactionaries here on the Board who think they are owed something because they are white: Lonestar, Pete, JimBowie, Jtpr312, Uncensored, Vox, bigrebnc, marty began, Ernie S., and others.

The US government DOES owe the veterans, especially the ones who went into combat.

 

[Zona]

I dont know of anyone that feels like they want whitey to do anything but get out of the way. So please do that and I promise no one will weep.

africa is that way --------->

Europe is that way too -------> Ask the natives which race they would like to see leave.

You sort of have a point there.

 

[squeeze berry]

africa is that way --------->

Europe is that way too -------> Ask the natives which race they would like to see leave.

You sort of have a point there.

we could have done it without you

 

[Vox]

Actually..they are MORE dependent on government.

in absolute numbers, not in the rate of dependency.

absolute number do not matter since you have to equalize the samle groups in order to compare,

No.

They are more dependent.

Each and every one of them.

As CF thread pointed out, blacks have been "dependent" on government for some 50 years. He's kind of right. Blacks were only given full person status 50 years ago. Hence government has been protecting their rights.

Whites? That's been going on for much longer.

nope they are not.

Welfare dependence in the United States is typically associated with female-headed households with children.
Black women are more likely than their White counterparts to be lone parents, which partially explains their higher rate of welfare dependency.

government dependency started in the 60s- and that is the start of doom and gloom exactly for the black population.

 

[Sunshine]

The modern welfare state can only be tracked back to the FDR administration, and LBJ's Great Society in the 60's, so your trolling fails on its most basic merits.

Try harder next time.

What trolling?

And Welfare goes further back than that.

One example are the mormons, when they decided that Mexico really sucked and came back in 1912.

Hat in hand.

And they got checks handed to them?
Gee that was before we even had a Federal Income Tax.

There were some pensioners from the Revolution. And a lot of land grants were given for service during the Revolutionary war. My family got 1500 acres in KY. Well earned and well deserved.

 

[Vox]

What trolling?

And Welfare goes further back than that.

One example are the mormons, when they decided that Mexico really sucked and came back in 1912.

Hat in hand.

And they got checks handed to them?
Gee that was before we even had a Federal Income Tax.

There were some pensioners from the Revolution. And a lot of land grants were given for service during the Revolutionary war. My family got 1500 acres in KY. Well earned and well deserved.

land is not welfare.

I don't mind giving all those moochers a piece of land in the middle of nowhere, so they can plow, and plant and work and harvest - but not the checks straight from my pocket.

 

[Sunshine]

Europe is that way too -------> Ask the natives which race they would like to see leave.

If whitey is so mean to you, leave

If you think whitey is mean then you leave.

It took two whole posts for you to miss it. You couldn't tie your own shoes without whitey. Aren't you glad he invented Velcro?


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[Asclepias]

Europe is that way too -------> Ask the natives which race they would like to see leave.

You sort of have a point there.

we could have done it without you

You guys would have never survived without the Native Americans so I know you wouldn't have done jack shit without Black people.

 

[Sallow]

in absolute numbers, not in the rate of dependency.

absolute number do not matter since you have to equalize the samle groups in order to compare,

No.

They are more dependent.

Each and every one of them.

As CF thread pointed out, blacks have been "dependent" on government for some 50 years. He's kind of right. Blacks were only given full person status 50 years ago. Hence government has been protecting their rights.

Whites? That's been going on for much longer.

nope they are not.

Welfare dependence in the United States is typically associated with female-headed households with children.
Black women are more likely than their White counterparts to be lone parents, which partially explains their higher rate of welfare dependency.

government dependency started in the 60s- and that is the start of doom and gloom exactly for the black population.

Dependence on welfare isn't the totality of government dependence.

 

[Sallow]

Your correspondent believes that since the government issues patents, that Edison and Ford were "dependent" on the government to make their wealth possible. The trick here is in switching out one definition of "dependent" for another. Cars depend on gasoline and the laws of physics to move. That's an entirely different definition than the one that says a tick is "dependent" on a blood supply from its host to grow and lay eggs. The former definition simply describes a cause effect relationship. There's no moral component involved. The later is, of course, the definition of a parasite.

If you really want to examine this concept of dependency, with respect to our government, government is instituted by the people. According to our Founders, our form of government is depended upon the good graces of the American people. When such a system becomes destructive in its purpose as a servant of the people, then the Declaration of Independence gives its citizens the right to abolish it to establish a new form of government. This was the thought surrounding the succession that led to the civil war, the important representation needed for individual states rights over the growing power of the Federal government.

Hogwash.

It does no such thing.

 

[Sallow]

I always found it interesting how Thomas Edison established the Edison Electric Light Company to own and license his patents in the electric light field backed by financiers, including J.P. Morgan and the Vanderbilt family. This led to the invention of the lightbulb, followed by the founding of The Edison Electric Illuminating Company of New York on December 17, 1880. This led to the development of the large central power plant with its generators (called dynamos); voltage regulating devices; copper wires connecting the plant to other buildings; the wiring, switches, and fixtures in the interiors of those buildings - all without government funding and intervention.


This same success WITHOUT GOVERNMENT can also be found through the life of Henry Ford, an engineer with the Edison Illuminating Company. A Chief Engineer in 1893, he soon acquired enough of his OWN wealth towards his personal experiments on gasoline engines. Backed by the capital of Detroit lumber baron William H. Murphy, Ford resigned from the Edison Company and founded the Detroit Automobile Company on August 5, 1899.

Ford & Malcomson was reincorporated as the Ford Motor Company on June 16, 1903, with $28,000 capital. The original investors included Ford and Malcomson, the Dodge brothers, Malcomson's uncle John S. Gray, Malcolmson's secretary James Couzens, and two of Malcomson's lawyers, John W. Anderson and Horace Rackham

Later in our nations history inventors continued to emerge without government help. Igor Sikorsky, the inventor of the Helicopter. In 1923, Sikorsky formed the Sikorsky Manufacturing Company in Roosevelt, New York. He was helped by several former Russian military officers. Among Sikorsky's chief supporters was composer Sergei Rachmaninoff, who introduced himself by writing a check for US$5,000 (approximately $61,000 in 2007 dollars). When his first prototype failed Sikorsky persuaded his reluctant backers to invest another $2,500. The Sikorsky Manufacturing Company moved to Stratford, Connecticut in 1929. It became a part of United Aircraft and Transport (now United Technologies Corporation) in July of that year. The company manufactured flying boats, such as the S-42 "Clipper", used by Pan Am for transatlantic flights.


These are but a few examples right off the top, without the need to dig deeper into other great inventors and inventions.

Government dependency? I think not. Many of the dreams these innovators shared were acquired by other financial means of backing ... interested investors willing to see the eager ideas of a few become the reality of tomorrow. It's amazing what has been accomplished in this country, ALL without the need of Government.

Your post fails in the first sentence.

No actually I didn't. These inventors BUILT their own wealth and success, they didn't have to leech off the government ( and those MORE responsible taxpayers ) like a heroine addict to supply them with their needs.

Sure they did.

They actually did worse.

Many of them stole the ideas from other people and got to the government first to get a patent.

In other cases, they actually patented inventions that were worked on in government labs.

In any case, it's the weight of the American government that allow these people to prosper from the invention.