237 years later - Has government dependency hurt Whites in America?

And they got checks handed to them?
Gee that was before we even had a Federal Income Tax. :eusa_whistle:

They had vast quantities of land and resources handed to them via the U.S. Government.

and? are you able to eat land or grass?

oh, you have to WORK on that land to actually make a living. :lol:

Then it is NOT a handout.

Well yeah it was.

Even moreso that the military got involved in clear cutting and building infrastructure.
 
And they got checks handed to them?
Gee that was before we even had a Federal Income Tax. :eusa_whistle:

They had vast quantities of land and resources handed to them via the U.S. Government.

and? are you able to eat land or grass?

oh, you have to WORK on that land to actually make a living. :lol:

Then it is NOT a handout.

Nope, it's still a handout. A handout is a handout. Unless you think that McDonald's employees should get a share of ownership in McDonalds for working there. I'm certain you don't believe THAT, though.

Right wingers do not commonly associate labor and wealth via ownership.
 
They had vast quantities of land and resources handed to them via the U.S. Government.

and? are you able to eat land or grass?

oh, you have to WORK on that land to actually make a living. :lol:

Then it is NOT a handout.

Well yeah it was.

Even moreso that the military got involved in clear cutting and building infrastructure.

The only "infrastructure" the military built before WW II were forts. Those are of no economic use to anyone. The military also didn't clear cut anything.
 
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What trolling?

And Welfare goes further back than that.

One example are the mormons, when they decided that Mexico really sucked and came back in 1912.

Hat in hand.

And they got checks handed to them?
Gee that was before we even had a Federal Income Tax. :eusa_whistle:

They had vast quantities of land and resources handed to them via the U.S. Government.

The land had to be distributed somehow. Anyone could get free land by homesteading, including blacks. Do you actually imagine that having the government retain ownership of all the land in the U.S. was a feasible or practical idea?
 
So what he's saying is correct you just don't like the messenger. Got it. Thanks for admitting....but why aren't you on topic and instead asking people to prove what you already know to be a fact?

Answer: Deflection..

No, it's not true. Stealing other people's ideas and then patenting them is a rare event. For Sallow's characterization of capitalism to be true, it would have to be common. The fact that it's rare shows that he's full of shit, and so are you.

Notice that Sallow declines to respond to my post. Next you're going to tell me that's because he has so much ammunition to respond with.

The only way it HAS to be common is because you inserted the words "have to be".

If it happens that means Sallow is correct and you even said you know of examples too. Now you're interested in a dick measuring contest of who can name MORE examples of the thing you said doesn't happen...or doesn't....something

Wrong. Note the qualifier "For Sallow's characterization of capitalism to be true." If it's rare, then Sallow is full of shit for claiming that most ideas were stolen.
 
Dependence on welfare isn't the totality of government dependence.
It is dependence on unearned handouts which destructs. Everything else doesn't matter

Thats BS. Businesses that employ no one but the business owner get tax right offs that a non business owner does not get. How is that earned? Is that not a hand out?

Non business owners doen't get to write-off their labor expenses because they have no labor expenses, dipshit. To have labor expenses you have to have a business. The same goes for almost everything else businesses expense. If you want to write off your expenses, then become an independent contractor and establish yourself as a corporation. Then you can buy your own health insurance and pay 13% social security taxes to the government. You'll find being a corporation isn't all it's cracked up to be.
 
They had vast quantities of land and resources handed to them via the U.S. Government.

and? are you able to eat land or grass?

oh, you have to WORK on that land to actually make a living. :lol:

Then it is NOT a handout.

Nope, it's still a handout. A handout is a handout. Unless you think that McDonald's employees should get a share of ownership in McDonalds for working there. I'm certain you don't believe THAT, though.

Right wingers do not commonly associate labor and wealth via ownership.

Unoccupied land is not a McDonald's. The latter is a business that someone already owns. The former has existed since the dawn of time. At some point land has to be converted from being unowned to owned. Usually that's accomplished simply by occupying it and using it. The federal government simply formalized the process. That isn't welfare. That's the story of how the human race spread over the face of the entire earth and converted it to private property. All your whining about is that your ancestors weren't around when the free land bonanza was in full force. That's about as relevant as whining that you didn't win the lottery.

However, keep in mind that the government was still homesteading land into the early 1900s. That means plenty of blacks had the opportunity to stake a claim on unowned land.
 
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It is dependence on unearned handouts which destructs. Everything else doesn't matter

Thats BS. Businesses that employ no one but the business owner get tax right offs that a non business owner does not get. How is that earned? Is that not a hand out?

Non business owners doen't get to write-off their labor expenses because they have no labor expenses, dipshit. To have labor expenses you have to have a business. The same goes for almost everything else businesses expense. If you want to write off your expenses, then become an independent contractor and establish yourself as a corporation. Then you can buy your own health insurance and pay 13% social security taxes to the government. You'll find being a corporation isn't all it's cracked up to be.

So the simple act of declaring yourself a business is earning it?
 
and? are you able to eat land or grass?

oh, you have to WORK on that land to actually make a living. :lol:

Then it is NOT a handout.

Nope, it's still a handout. A handout is a handout. Unless you think that McDonald's employees should get a share of ownership in McDonalds for working there. I'm certain you don't believe THAT, though.

Right wingers do not commonly associate labor and wealth via ownership.

Unoccupied land is not McDonald's. The latter is a business that someone already owns. The former has existed since the dawn of time. At some point land has to be converted from being unowned to owned. Usually that's accomplished simply by occupying it and using it. The federal government simply formalized the process. That isn't welfare. That's the story of how the human race spread over the face of the entire earth and converted it to private property. All your whining about is that your ancestors weren't around when the free land bonanza was in full force. That's about as relevant as whining that you didn't win the lottery.

However, keep in mind that the government was still homesteading land into the early 1900s. That means plenty of blacks had the opportunity to stake a claim on unowned land.

How can land be unoccupied when the Native Americans rightfully owned it?
 
How have white people been completely dependent on government for the last 237 years? I suspect I and many others have a very different take on what completely dependent means.
 
Thats BS. Businesses that employ no one but the business owner get tax right offs that a non business owner does not get. How is that earned? Is that not a hand out?

Non business owners doen't get to write-off their labor expenses because they have no labor expenses, dipshit. To have labor expenses you have to have a business. The same goes for almost everything else businesses expense. If you want to write off your expenses, then become an independent contractor and establish yourself as a corporation. Then you can buy your own health insurance and pay 13% social security taxes to the government. You'll find being a corporation isn't all it's cracked up to be.

So the simple act of declaring yourself a business is earning it?

Where in the hell did I say anything that even remotely resembles your characterization?

If you want to write off your expenses, then incorporate yourself. It's a very simple matter. Any accountant can do it for you. Then every dime you spend will be deductible.
 
Nope, it's still a handout. A handout is a handout. Unless you think that McDonald's employees should get a share of ownership in McDonalds for working there. I'm certain you don't believe THAT, though.

Right wingers do not commonly associate labor and wealth via ownership.

Unoccupied land is not McDonald's. The latter is a business that someone already owns. The former has existed since the dawn of time. At some point land has to be converted from being unowned to owned. Usually that's accomplished simply by occupying it and using it. The federal government simply formalized the process. That isn't welfare. That's the story of how the human race spread over the face of the entire earth and converted it to private property. All your whining about is that your ancestors weren't around when the free land bonanza was in full force. That's about as relevant as whining that you didn't win the lottery.

However, keep in mind that the government was still homesteading land into the early 1900s. That means plenty of blacks had the opportunity to stake a claim on unowned land.

How can land be unoccupied when the Native Americans rightfully owned it?

The Native Americans disagree with you. They didn't believe anyone could own land. With a few notable exceptions, they never staked a claim to any of it.
 
Non business owners doen't get to write-off their labor expenses because they have no labor expenses, dipshit. To have labor expenses you have to have a business. The same goes for almost everything else businesses expense. If you want to write off your expenses, then become an independent contractor and establish yourself as a corporation. Then you can buy your own health insurance and pay 13% social security taxes to the government. You'll find being a corporation isn't all it's cracked up to be.

So the simple act of declaring yourself a business is earning it?

Where in the hell did I say anything that even remotely resembles your characterization?

If you want to write off your expenses, then incorporate yourself. It's a very simple matter. Any accountant can do it for you. Then every dime you spend will be deductible.

Is that earning it? You keep avoiding the question.
 
Unoccupied land is not McDonald's. The latter is a business that someone already owns. The former has existed since the dawn of time. At some point land has to be converted from being unowned to owned. Usually that's accomplished simply by occupying it and using it. The federal government simply formalized the process. That isn't welfare. That's the story of how the human race spread over the face of the entire earth and converted it to private property. All your whining about is that your ancestors weren't around when the free land bonanza was in full force. That's about as relevant as whining that you didn't win the lottery.

However, keep in mind that the government was still homesteading land into the early 1900s. That means plenty of blacks had the opportunity to stake a claim on unowned land.

How can land be unoccupied when the Native Americans rightfully owned it?

The Native Americans disagree with you. They didn't believe anyone could own land. With a few notable exceptions, they never staked a claim to any of it.

But white people did have that system. Under that system why did they take the land if it was not theirs to take. Another handout to themselves.
 
So the simple act of declaring yourself a business is earning it?

Where in the hell did I say anything that even remotely resembles your characterization?

If you want to write off your expenses, then incorporate yourself. It's a very simple matter. Any accountant can do it for you. Then every dime you spend will be deductible.

Is that earning it? You keep avoiding the question.

I don't understand the significance of your question. Any money you obtain through voluntary exchange is earned, according to the IRS. Also as a matter of ethics. On the other hand, money obtained at gunpoint, such as welfare, isn't earned. It's plunder.
 
Where in the hell did I say anything that even remotely resembles your characterization?

If you want to write off your expenses, then incorporate yourself. It's a very simple matter. Any accountant can do it for you. Then every dime you spend will be deductible.

Is that earning it? You keep avoiding the question.

I don't understand the significance of your question. Any money you obtain through voluntary exchange is earned, according to the IRS. Also as a matter of ethics. On the other hand, money obtained at gunpoint, such as welfare, isn't earned. It's plunder.

Still avoiding the question. Is making a declaration you are a business and getting tax write offs "earning" it? You are aware you can expense your income down to nothing and operate at a loss just because you declared you were a business. Thats a handout.
 
How can land be unoccupied when the Native Americans rightfully owned it?

The Native Americans disagree with you. They didn't believe anyone could own land. With a few notable exceptions, they never staked a claim to any of it.

But white people did have that system. Under that system why did they take the land if it was not theirs to take. Another handout to themselves.

The land was unoccupied. The Indians were hunter gatherers. The didn't stay put in a single location. They wandered over large tracts of land. The claim that the Indians "owned" whatever land they happened to wander over is an absurd misinterpretation of the word "own."

If you are a gold prospector and you find gold, is that a "hand out" to yourself?

The idea couldn't be more absurd.
 
they all play this perpetually dumb game where they become confused at the simplest questions. Its like a kid pulling a rabbit out of a hat. You just pat them on the head because they think they are the first to do it.
 
So the simple act of declaring yourself a business is earning it?

Where in the hell did I say anything that even remotely resembles your characterization?

If you want to write off your expenses, then incorporate yourself. It's a very simple matter. Any accountant can do it for you. Then every dime you spend will be deductible.

Is that earning it? You keep avoiding the question.

Yes it is,you pay fees for incorporating,unless money grows on trees somone earned that money,then you have to grow your business,unless you don' want to make money,once again something you must do to earn money.There are no free deductions,a deduction is the result of an expense paid out.

Educate yourself before you try and argue with someone that does own a business.
 

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