3 - 5 million illegal votes! Outrageous! Investigate!

[flacaltenn]

The point with provisional ballots is that they are examined to determine whether they are valid before they are counted.

And, I pointed out that there are a number of reasons such ballots get rejected. You can NOT suggest that a rejected provisional ballot indicates that someone broke the law. So, you haven't show that fraud occurred in these cases

More to the point of this issue, you haven't show that ANY ballots got counted that should not have been counted.

Again. I'll say it slowly so that it sinks in. The fact that they are rejected and not counted doesn't mean that no fraud occurred. It's the WILL to investigate and PROSECUTE that is lacking here. Just like the habit of harboring criminal aliens and filling the Cali jails with them --- there's no UPSIDE to investigating and hauling people in for questioning when the state is run that way. And the state has ZERO motivation to UNCOVER and PROSECUTE any fraud.

And you ducked my question to you. People who ASK for provisionals are expected to eligible to CAST a ballot. If you're NOT registered, or not in the County you're SUPPOSED to be in or not ELIGIBLE -- that's a crime. Knowing this -- you could hose an election by FLOODING the polls with ineligible voters, create a post election hose fest nighmare and prevent VALID provisionals from being processed.


And 1.5 MILLION provisionals means that system sucks. So INVESTIGATING would be a good thing. I know that several groups have TRIED to audit the provisionals in the past. The Libertarian party that I was with in Cali did so. They charged us $10,000 to look at about 1000 provisional ballots. So you get the impression -- it's not exactly an "open process"..

It may or may not be fraud, depends on the circumstances. Meanwhile, many of those folks didn't get to have vote counted because they couldn't prove eligibility. That would be the system working.

Doesn't satisfy me or the folks worried about voter fraud that those fraudulent attempts to vote were not counted. It should worry you that they were not punished. OR -- at least discovered, investigated and admitted.

The system is NOT working when you hand out 1.5Million provisionals in a Gen Election. The paltry resources and methods of the registrars cannot handle that. And it's not a matter of more people or more money. It's a matter of better "system design" and use of technology.

Should never be catering to folks who misplaced or lost their VBMail ballots and waited until ELECTION DAY to do something about it. That just promotes the expectation that the voter right does not come with ANY responsibilities.

 

[Faun]

The point with provisional ballots is that they are examined to determine whether they are valid before they are counted.

And, I pointed out that there are a number of reasons such ballots get rejected. You can NOT suggest that a rejected provisional ballot indicates that someone broke the law. So, you haven't show that fraud occurred in these cases

More to the point of this issue, you haven't show that ANY ballots got counted that should not have been counted.

Again. I'll say it slowly so that it sinks in. The fact that they are rejected and not counted doesn't mean that no fraud occurred. It's the WILL to investigate and PROSECUTE that is lacking here. Just like the habit of harboring criminal aliens and filling the Cali jails with them --- there's no UPSIDE to investigating and hauling people in for questioning when the state is run that way. And the state has ZERO motivation to UNCOVER and PROSECUTE any fraud.

And you ducked my question to you. People who ASK for provisionals are expected to eligible to CAST a ballot. If you're NOT registered, or not in the County you're SUPPOSED to be in or not ELIGIBLE -- that's a crime. Knowing this -- you could hose an election by FLOODING the polls with ineligible voters, create a post election hose fest nighmare and prevent VALID provisionals from being processed.


And 1.5 MILLION provisionals means that system sucks. So INVESTIGATING would be a good thing. I know that several groups have TRIED to audit the provisionals in the past. The Libertarian party that I was with in Cali did so. They charged us $10,000 to look at about 1000 provisional ballots. So you get the impression -- it's not exactly an "open process"..

It may or may not be fraud, depends on the circumstances. Meanwhile, many of those folks didn't get to have vote counted because they couldn't prove eligibility. That would be the system working.

Doesn't satisfy me or the folks worried about voter fraud that those fraudulent attempts to vote were not counted. It should worry you that they were not punished. OR -- at least discovered, investigated and admitted.

The system is NOT working when you hand out 1.5Million provisionals in a Gen Election. The paltry resources and methods of the registrars cannot handle that. And it's not a matter of more people or more money. It's a matter of better "system design" and use of technology.

Should never be catering to folks who misplaced or lost their VBMail ballots and waited until ELECTION DAY to do something about it. That just promotes the expectation that the voter right does not come with ANY responsibilities.

Utter bullshit.

Provisional ballots are a safeguard against fraud and the system works. And who are they going after? The folks who forget to bring ID? The folks who moved and went to the wrong precinct? It's not always fraud as you make it appear. Provisional ballots are designed to protect eligible voters from being disenfranchised, sometimes for no fault of their own. At the same time, they weed out folks who truly are not eligible to vote at the precinct they show up at.

 

[BluesLegend]

Okay the third lib in a row to ask, do you people live under a rock? Its not my job to educate ignorant liberals good grief you people are uninformed.

I'm not asking to educate me. I was just asking to back up your false claim. Why is that so hard?

What is your basis for saying my claim is false? So if you are not informed about something its false or doesn't exist lol the liberal brain is weird.

Well any proof you can provide will be nice señor.

Proof that you can ignore again?

{
According to election observers in California, ICE agents arrived at one polling location in Los Angeles County around 10:30 AM PST Tuesday morning after election officials caught a group of 7 illegal immigrants attempting to cast votes. The officials were initially going to allow the men to cast provisional ballots, but a court-appointed Republican election observer asked officials to take another look.

After further review it was determined that two of the men were not only illegal immigrants, but they were also wanted on separate federal warrants.

ICE agents arrested the fraudulent voters, but it is unclear exactly where they are being detained.

In Broward County, Florida, at least 18 arrests have been made.

“I was standing in line to vote when a bunch of guys in black ICE jackets walked several men out of the polling place in handcuffs,” one voter told CTN.

CTN is learning that similar arrests have been made in North Carolina, New Mexico, and Colorado.}

BREAKING : Over 40 Illegals Arrested For Trying to Vote in California ⋆ Freedom Daily

That's proof, sploogy.

I already answered this post which is nothing but non sense. But I will let you try again.

We have moved on to discussing how uninformed you are. For example I doubt you are aware of the article the NY Post ran in 2014 on scientists who said their data showed over 2.4 million illegal votes. So you understand the challenge, your ignorance has been years in the making.

 

[Faun]

I'm not asking to educate me. I was just asking to back up your false claim. Why is that so hard?

What is your basis for saying my claim is false? So if you are not informed about something its false or doesn't exist lol the liberal brain is weird.

Well any proof you can provide will be nice señor.

Proof that you can ignore again?

{
According to election observers in California, ICE agents arrived at one polling location in Los Angeles County around 10:30 AM PST Tuesday morning after election officials caught a group of 7 illegal immigrants attempting to cast votes. The officials were initially going to allow the men to cast provisional ballots, but a court-appointed Republican election observer asked officials to take another look.

After further review it was determined that two of the men were not only illegal immigrants, but they were also wanted on separate federal warrants.

ICE agents arrested the fraudulent voters, but it is unclear exactly where they are being detained.

In Broward County, Florida, at least 18 arrests have been made.

“I was standing in line to vote when a bunch of guys in black ICE jackets walked several men out of the polling place in handcuffs,” one voter told CTN.

CTN is learning that similar arrests have been made in North Carolina, New Mexico, and Colorado.}

BREAKING : Over 40 Illegals Arrested For Trying to Vote in California ⋆ Freedom Daily

That's proof, sploogy.

I already answered this post which is nothing but non sense. But I will let you try again.

We have moved on to discussing how uninformed you are. For example I doubt you are aware of the article the NY Post ran in 2014 on scientists who said their data showed over 2.4 million illegal votes. So you understand the challenge, your ignorance has been years in the making.

You're talking about Richman an Earnest??

LOLOLOL

That was no study. They reviewed the results of unscientific online polling conducted by the CCES and claimed 1.2 million illegals voted. They even put out the disclaimer, "extrapolation to specific state-level or district-level election outcomes is fraught with substantial uncertainty." What they found was 828 respondents who said they were illegal aliens in 2010 who voted and extrapolated that to 1.2 million. What they didn't report, but others did in debunking their nonsensical claims, was that more than 40% of the respondents who said they were illegal aliens in 2010 said they were U.S. citizens in the 2008 unscientific online poll.

Yet more evidence that rightards will b'lieve anything they read online as long as it supports their craziness.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The fact they are here illegally shows they have no respect for our laws and if they live in California or some other blue states, there is little reason for them to fear consequences for voting illegally.

Fleeing poverty to provide a better more opportunistic life for their family is a different type of crime than committing felony voter fraud. Let me ask, if your family was starving and you had no money would you steal a loaf of bread from a sidewalk vendor? You are comparing apples to oranges, in an extremely unempathetic way. It's a sad perspective if you really think an act of desperation for the betterment of ones family makes the entire family law breaking criminals who can break any law without batting an eye. And the fact you think 3-5 million did it last election shows a disconnect from reality.

Actually, you've described why entering the country illegally and voting illegally are exactly the same kind of crime: both can seem to an illegal to be ways to protect his or her family or himself or herself if there is no family if they believed Trump would deport them if elected.

It's a bullshit argument and you know it. I'd support beefing up our voting programs. I'm all for anything that makes gov programs more efficient. I'm down to investigate voting fraud. Go for it an punish any law breakers. But you have to be crazy if you believe 3-5 million people voted illegally. You are a Trump puppet if you really believe that.

I have no idea how many illegals illegally voted in the election, but it is bullshit to say these people who broke our laws to come here would hesitate to break our laws to vote against Trump who threatened to deport them.

I'll have to tell you, that sounds stupid to me.

Committing fraud like that could result in them being deported, thus losing for them the fundamental reasons that motivated them to come and the expenses and risks that involved. Plus, it could prevent them from ever coming here legally - and remember that nearly half those living here without papers came here legally.

Now that's clearly stupid since they are already subject to being deported for being here illegally. If they believe Trump will deport them, then illegally voting against him is pretty much the only action they can take to avoid being deported.

 

[Seawytch]

You have no idea what you're talking about. The number one reason people vote provisionally is because they are Vote by Mail voters that did not have their ballot to surrender. Those provisionals are counted if the voter has not already cast their VBM ballot. Number two are voters not registered. Those ballots are not counted. Third are voters that moved within county but didn't update their address. Those are counted and the address updated.

Work at an election office next election.

I highly doubt the majority were turned down because the white haired lady at the polling place told them they already voted by mail. They were ALLOWED to vote. If there's misrepresentation in their act --- they are criminals. If you voted by mail and missed the deadline to refile --- tough shit. Don't show at the polls.

SHOW me the percentage of the provisionals that were handed out by poll workers who had no clue if this person had sent in a VBM ballot.

A voter who was mailed a ballot but lost or did not receive a ballot can get a provisional at the polling place on Election Day. If the voter did not mail in their ballot, their provisional is counted.

The poll worker doesn't have to know. They don't count the provisionals, the elections office does only AFTER all vote by mail and poll votes are accounted for.

You can watch the entire post election process at your registrars office. I HIGHLY recommend you do so.

I found it impossible to believe that 1/3 of the VBMail ballots were lost or were not presented at the polling places. And I further know that from past history 10 to 20% of provisionals in California were rejected as UNKNOWN, and UNREGISTERED voters. So 15% of 1.5 million provisionals is 225,000 Californian voters that ATTEMPTED to vote -- but were rejected because they were NOT ELIGIBLE.. That's fraud.

The process is BUSTED. Fraud and incompetence and CONFUSION need to be investigated. Ask the Bernie voters in the primaries how they were SWITCHED to provisionals when they never REQUESTED to be a VBMail voter...

I really don't care what you believe or don't believe, I'm providing you facts. The overwhelming majority of provisional ballots in my county (and in CA) are from Vote by Mail voters that went to vote at the polls and did not have the ballot they were mailed to surrender. The second highest number of provisional voters are those that are not currently registered in the county. Again, I'm giving you facts you can call YOUR local registrars office to verify.

Oh for god's sake, it's not fraud. We don't count them if they aren't registered. I recall a gentleman during the 2008 election that was visiting CA from MO on business. He had voted in every election since he turned 18 and didn't want to miss one. He asked to vote even though he KNEW it wouldn't be counted. He could still say he voted. He voted Provisonally and his ballot WAS NOT COUNTED.

Your local registrar office posts Press Releases of when they will be processing provisionals. Go watch them do it.

I don't have to go watch them do it. I was on Panels with their bosses while I was an officer of the Lib Party of San Mateo. Observed ALL of it. But you folks have lost your ever lovin' minds since. What with the Top 2 primary that results in disenfranchising EVERY REPUBLICAN in the state of Cali when just 2 DEMOCRATS are allowed on the General Ballot for Senator. It's your PROCESS that stinks.

What panels were you on? What did you "observe"? You obviously didn't watch the clearing of Provisional ballots or you would not continue to disgorge misinformation.

The open primary that results in the top two going on to the General does not disenfranchise Republicans. They compete in the Primary just like everyone else. That they don't get enough votes is nobody's problem but their own. They could appeal to more voters if they want to compete.

You confuse new registrations who declared Independent and show up for primaries and want to vote a party.. THEY end up on provisionals. MY state does not do that. Ask the Bernie folks how they liked being tossed onto provisionals. And Cali never completed the tally of those for the Primary either. THUS -- disenfranchising MORE people. If you can't get VBM to work without 1/3 of them being assigned provisionals --- you're doing something wrong. And NO STATE should EVER end up with that high a percentage of provisionals. It causes skepticism, is never actually documented post election and NOBODY KNOWS if fraud occurred.

The "Bernie Folks" that were not registered Democrat did get to vote for Bernie if they were No Party Preference voters (Independent voters, not to be confused with the American Independent Party). If they were registered with another party, they had to vote that ballot for the primary. See, it's up to the PARTY as to whether or not to allow unaffiliated voters to vote in their primary, not the state. The Republicans would only let registered Republicans vote for THEIR candidate in the primary. Some parties, like the Dems, allow unaffiliated voters to vote in their primary. The PARTY decides.

ANY process that results in 1.5Million provisionals that cannot be cleared before certification is flawed and ripe for fraud.

They were cleared by the certification. That happens 29 days after the election. Provisionals are cleared last, but they're cleared by then.

And what is it called when you VOTE a ballot and you're NOT ENTITLED to cast that vote?That's what about 15% provisionals DO every general election..

It's called a provisional ballot. That's the point of them. That's why the George W Bush administration wrote instructions about them into their Help America Vote Act.

Provisional voting
HAVA requires voters identified as ineligible (such as voters not found on the registered list), but who believe themselves to be eligible, to be able to cast a provisional ballot. After the election, the appropriate State or local election entity will determine if the voter was eligible, if so counting the vote and notify the voter of the outcome. Approximately 1.9 million voters nationwide cast provisional ballots in the 2004 election. Of those, approximately 1.2 million—or 64.5%—were counted.[5] Additionally, any time polling hours are extended voters are required to vote using provisional ballots.[6] Further, voters who do not comply with HAVA's voter identification requirements are able to cast a provisional ballot.​

 

[NYcarbineer]

If 5 million illegals voted that means that illegals had a higher participation rate in the election than did the general voting public.

 

[Seawytch]

What with the Top 2 primary that results in disenfranchising EVERY REPUBLICAN in the state of Cali when just 2 DEMOCRATS are allowed on the General Ballot for Senator. It's your PROCESS that stinks.

You confuse new registrations who declared Independent and show up for primaries and want to vote a party.. THEY end up on provisionals. MY state does not do that.

Do you even realize that you're making opposing arguments on the same subject? On one hand you're bitching about open primaries and on another calling for them.

California has a modified open primary system. Party affiliation only matters every four years during a Presidential primary. For all other primary elections, you choose the candidate you feel is most qualified, regardless of party affiliation. The top two vote getters go to the General.

But when it comes to who gets to play in what pool during a Presidential Primary, the state of CA has nothing to do with it, that decision rests solely with the party. The Republicans wouldn't let independents play.

 

[Uncensored2008]

[I don't give a fuck where you live. Common sense says that no illegal in this country, is going to risk getting caught and deported in order to cast a vote. That would be a Felony and reason for immediate deportation. They know that. It's the here I am, come and get me moment.

You're an idiot, but at least nothing you claim is true

{This bill would provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of the California New Motor Voter Program in the absence of a violation by that person of the crime described above, that person’s registration shall be presumed to have been effected with official authorization and not the fault of that person. The bill would also provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of this program, and that person votes or attempts to vote in an election held after the effective date of the person’s registration, that person shall be presumed to have acted with official authorization and is not guilty of fraudulently voting or attempting to vote, unless that person willfully votes or attempts to vote knowing that he or she is not entitled to vote.}

Bill Text - AB-1461 Voter registration: California New Motor Voter Program.

Hey, you only lie because you're a Communist, hence a sociopath devoid of so much as a shred of integrity.

Actually he's right, under Fedral law (18 U.S. Code § 611 - Voting by aliens) that applies to all elections where a Federal office holder appears on the ballot. Since the punishment is at least one year in prison, that makes it a Federal felony.

(a)It shall be unlawful for any alien to vote in any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing a candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, unless—
(1)
the election is held partly for some other purpose;
(2)
aliens are authorized to vote for such other purpose under a State constitution or statute or a local ordinance; and
(3)
voting for such other purpose is conducted independently of voting for a candidate for such Federal offices, in such a manner that an alien has the opportunity to vote for such other purpose, but not an opportunity to vote for a candidate for any one or more of such Federal offices.
(b)
Any person who violates this section shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than one year, or both.​

18 U.S. Code § 611 - Voting by aliens


>>>>

Yes, federal law. This is why we need the FEC. What I posted though, is FROM the California law. And as you saw, California ENCOURAGES election fraud.


{The bill would also provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of this program, and that person votes or attempts to vote in an election held after the effective date of the person’s registration, that person shall be presumed to have acted with official authorization}

California AUTHORIZES illegal voting.

 

[Uncensored2008]

If 5 million illegals voted that means that illegals had a higher participation rate in the election than did the general voting public.

The estimate is about 3 million in the Peoples Republic. Election fraud is encouraged and protected by the demonrats in California, where you Soros thugs have 100% control of all state government functions.

You Soros soldiers work on behalf of a foreign power to destroy the USA.

 

[Uncensored2008]

[

Yes Trump won the election no question but to say millions of illegals voted. That's nonsense.

You misspelled "fact" sparky.

Instead of keep going around and around. Do you mind answering some of my questions.

DL was issued for several reasons that people like you will never understand the benefits. So it's even worthless to debate that part of the subject.
What made you think people like me support criminality?
You assumed that we there are no GOPs law makers in California. You assumed that all GOPs are not nothing but worthless & ignorant in California. You assumed that there are no republicans that monitored these polling places.
1. Name me any republicans officials that say...... legals has voted in California.
2. Name me one republicans that monitored these polling places that illegals has voted.
3. Give me one illegals that has registered to vote.

Dude get real.

Son, I live in California. This is a 100% democrat controlled state, The major way the party wrested power away from the people is through the massive influx of illegals.

We didn't go from Dukmajian and Wilson to the current Estado Atzlan by magic. This involved MASSIVE fraud and corruption by the Mecha motherfuckers in Sacramento. This state has been invaded and occupied, with the collusion of the corrupt democrats who will sell their own mother for power.

And I'm done playing fetch, I gave you facts which you ignored and ran from.

I don't give a fuck where you live. Common sense says that no illegal in this country, is going to risk getting caught and deported in order to cast a vote. That would be a Felony and reason for immediate deportation. They know that. It's the here I am, come and get me moment.

Agree. They risk their life to get here one last chance to improve their lives and their families. Now they risk of getting arrested then deported for illegal activity for one lousy stupid vote. Just imagine what will happen to their family if they get caught.
I cannot picture an illegal going to a polls ............. My name Pedro I like to vote.

What you say does make sense. Most of these people come from countries where they have zero trust in government and they didn't vote while they were there so why in the world are they going to risk going to jail and being deported to vote in a political system, they don't even understand.

Their wish list is simple, green cards so they don’t get deported, driver’s licenses so they can get to work, and the right to travel back to their home country to visit relatives. That’s it. No rallies, no jury duty, no voting, no PTA meetings, no cute little stickers announcing to the world: “I voted!”

It would take a real idiot that was an illegal to cast a vote. Their biggest concern is getting caught and deported. So that would be the very last thing they would attempt.

It's just all the BULLSHIT hype that Trump and Reich wing talk shows host have put out for the last many years. They have an audience that has absolutely no critical thinking skills of their own anymore. Everything that is spoonfed to them they never question. Tomorrow they'll turn on "Mr. Talent on loan from GAWWWDDD'D" and he'll confirm that 5 million illegals were voting, and by golly it's great we're spending all these Tax payer dollars to confirm it--LOL

I am certain Sean Hannity is on FOX New right now--talking about all the illegals that voted and that's why Comrade Trump didn't win the popular vote. They'll take the bait, swallow it hook, line and sinker, every single time. And they'll do it again.

That is a fucking lie, as I have already shown, with the direct text of the law, California encourages and protects illegal aliens (and legal aliens) who vote.

{This bill would provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of the California New Motor Voter Program in the absence of a violation by that person of the crime described above, that person’s registration shall be presumed to have been effected with official authorization and not the fault of that person. The bill would also provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of this program, and that person votes or attempts to vote in an election held after the effective date of the person’s registration, that person shall be presumed to have acted with official authorization and is not guilty of fraudulently voting or attempting to vote}

Bill Text - AB-1461 Voter registration: California New Motor Voter Program.

Hey, it's cool though, you're just a fucking liar working on behalf of a foreign power to corrupt our election system and destroy our Constitutional government.

 

[BluesLegend]

What is your basis for saying my claim is false? So if you are not informed about something its false or doesn't exist lol the liberal brain is weird.

Well any proof you can provide will be nice señor.

Proof that you can ignore again?

{
According to election observers in California, ICE agents arrived at one polling location in Los Angeles County around 10:30 AM PST Tuesday morning after election officials caught a group of 7 illegal immigrants attempting to cast votes. The officials were initially going to allow the men to cast provisional ballots, but a court-appointed Republican election observer asked officials to take another look.

After further review it was determined that two of the men were not only illegal immigrants, but they were also wanted on separate federal warrants.

ICE agents arrested the fraudulent voters, but it is unclear exactly where they are being detained.

In Broward County, Florida, at least 18 arrests have been made.

“I was standing in line to vote when a bunch of guys in black ICE jackets walked several men out of the polling place in handcuffs,” one voter told CTN.

CTN is learning that similar arrests have been made in North Carolina, New Mexico, and Colorado.}

BREAKING : Over 40 Illegals Arrested For Trying to Vote in California ⋆ Freedom Daily

That's proof, sploogy.

I already answered this post which is nothing but non sense. But I will let you try again.

We have moved on to discussing how uninformed you are. For example I doubt you are aware of the article the NY Post ran in 2014 on scientists who said their data showed over 2.4 million illegal votes. So you understand the challenge, your ignorance has been years in the making.

You're talking about Richman an Earnest??

LOLOLOL

That was no study. They reviewed the results of unscientific online polling conducted by the CCES and claimed 1.2 million illegals voted. They even put out the disclaimer, "extrapolation to specific state-level or district-level election outcomes is fraught with substantial uncertainty." What they found was 828 respondents who said they were illegal aliens in 2010 who voted and extrapolated that to 1.2 million. What they didn't report, but others did in debunking their nonsensical claims, was that more than 40% of the respondents who said they were illegal aliens in 2010 said they were U.S. citizens in the 2008 unscientific online poll.

Yet more evidence that rightards will b'lieve anything they read online as long as it supports their craziness.

You libs walk right into my traps, its almost no fun anymore We need to improve the quality of libs around here.

 

[rightwinger]

The point with provisional ballots is that they are examined to determine whether they are valid before they are counted.

And, I pointed out that there are a number of reasons such ballots get rejected. You can NOT suggest that a rejected provisional ballot indicates that someone broke the law. So, you haven't show that fraud occurred in these cases

More to the point of this issue, you haven't show that ANY ballots got counted that should not have been counted.

Again. I'll say it slowly so that it sinks in. The fact that they are rejected and not counted doesn't mean that no fraud occurred. It's the WILL to investigate and PROSECUTE that is lacking here. Just like the habit of harboring criminal aliens and filling the Cali jails with them --- there's no UPSIDE to investigating and hauling people in for questioning when the state is run that way. And the state has ZERO motivation to UNCOVER and PROSECUTE any fraud.

And you ducked my question to you. People who ASK for provisionals are expected to eligible to CAST a ballot. If you're NOT registered, or not in the County you're SUPPOSED to be in or not ELIGIBLE -- that's a crime. Knowing this -- you could hose an election by FLOODING the polls with ineligible voters, create a post election hose fest nighmare and prevent VALID provisionals from being processed.


And 1.5 MILLION provisionals means that system sucks. So INVESTIGATING would be a good thing. I know that several groups have TRIED to audit the provisionals in the past. The Libertarian party that I was with in Cali did so. They charged us $10,000 to look at about 1000 provisional ballots. So you get the impression -- it's not exactly an "open process"..

I think the purpose of a provisional ballot is....pending investigation of voter status

If that status is rejected, you have done no crime
Your ballot is rejected

 

[g5000]

[
You'll notice his link says "Critics predict"...

UC took that and made it a certainty.

UC has been proven wrong several times, but he chooses to continue to lie anyway.

In the tard brain, "might have", "could have", "if", and "wouldn't put it past 'em!" add up to irrefutable evidence.

But they just can't seem to find a single one of those three million slippery bastards.

To think these are the people who whine about "fake news".

The beauty of the election fraud that you Soros Soldiers engage in is that is is very difficult to track. Ballots are by design anonymous. (Otherwise you democrats would burn down the homes of those who voted against you, or break the legs of family members.) This means that once the ballot is cast, it is difficult to trace back.

You who defraud our election system on behalf of the foreign billionaire you serve, do so in the comfort that catching you will mean you have to be caught AS YOU DO IT. Of course election observers DO catch you crooks in the act, but this does little to stem the real problem. You crooked democrats have established systematic corruption. Corruption is built into the process in the Peoples Republic, which is WHY you fear Trump the way you do. An honest FEC will shut down the METHODS you use to pervert the election process on behalf of the foreign power you serve.

Voter registrations are not anonymous retard. Nor is the record of who voted and who didn't.

All we don't have is WHO each voter voted for, but that hasn't stopped you from making up a story that three to five million illegals voted for Clinton, now has it. Even though you just said yourself we don't have that data.

You just don't have much going on upstairs, do you.

It would be impossible for three to five million illegal darkies to register to vote, and then vote, all completely undetected. That you think it is possible shows everyone just how deep your credulousness and willful stupidity go.

Nor do you have a shred of integrity, which is why you keep repeating what you know to be a lie.

Err. Excuse me. It's why you keep repeating "alternate facts".

I guess we will find out when we have an investigation. As of now, I have no confidence that a state like California who turns their eye other way to keep violent prisoners from being deported, would have the desire to have any sort of investigation into who is voting properly or not.

Why is Trump demanding an investigation into a totally made up fantasy and not demanding an investigation into Putin's interference in the election, which is a fact?

Hmmmm...

Because Trump knows how to divert his Chumps' attention from reality. He's an expert huckster.

 

[flacaltenn]

The point with provisional ballots is that they are examined to determine whether they are valid before they are counted.

And, I pointed out that there are a number of reasons such ballots get rejected. You can NOT suggest that a rejected provisional ballot indicates that someone broke the law. So, you haven't show that fraud occurred in these cases

More to the point of this issue, you haven't show that ANY ballots got counted that should not have been counted.

Again. I'll say it slowly so that it sinks in. The fact that they are rejected and not counted doesn't mean that no fraud occurred. It's the WILL to investigate and PROSECUTE that is lacking here. Just like the habit of harboring criminal aliens and filling the Cali jails with them --- there's no UPSIDE to investigating and hauling people in for questioning when the state is run that way. And the state has ZERO motivation to UNCOVER and PROSECUTE any fraud.

And you ducked my question to you. People who ASK for provisionals are expected to eligible to CAST a ballot. If you're NOT registered, or not in the County you're SUPPOSED to be in or not ELIGIBLE -- that's a crime. Knowing this -- you could hose an election by FLOODING the polls with ineligible voters, create a post election hose fest nighmare and prevent VALID provisionals from being processed.


And 1.5 MILLION provisionals means that system sucks. So INVESTIGATING would be a good thing. I know that several groups have TRIED to audit the provisionals in the past. The Libertarian party that I was with in Cali did so. They charged us $10,000 to look at about 1000 provisional ballots. So you get the impression -- it's not exactly an "open process"..

It may or may not be fraud, depends on the circumstances. Meanwhile, many of those folks didn't get to have vote counted because they couldn't prove eligibility. That would be the system working.

Doesn't satisfy me or the folks worried about voter fraud that those fraudulent attempts to vote were not counted. It should worry you that they were not punished. OR -- at least discovered, investigated and admitted.

The system is NOT working when you hand out 1.5Million provisionals in a Gen Election. The paltry resources and methods of the registrars cannot handle that. And it's not a matter of more people or more money. It's a matter of better "system design" and use of technology.

Should never be catering to folks who misplaced or lost their VBMail ballots and waited until ELECTION DAY to do something about it. That just promotes the expectation that the voter right does not come with ANY responsibilities.

Utter bullshit.

Provisional ballots are a safeguard against fraud and the system works. And who are they going after? The folks who forget to bring ID? The folks who moved and went to the wrong precinct? It's not always fraud as you make it appear. Provisional ballots are designed to protect eligible voters from being disenfranchised, sometimes for no fault of their own. At the same time, they weed out folks who truly are not eligible to vote at the precinct they show up at.

According to SeaWytch, these are largely folks who waited until election day to discover their VBMail was misplaced. Don't need to cater to them. If they want the convenience of VBM -- they should pay MORE ATTENTION to protecting it, knowing where it is, and filling it out and returning it in time.

But the REST of them, are UNKNOWN to the registrar. Dont care if they are in wrong precinct or the wrong state. They also have not invested in doing THEIR part to insure their right. And when this number of people reaches 1.5Million people, it's a breeding ground for abuse and fraud. Needs to be FIXED. It's broken..

You'll NEVER FIND people voting in 2 states or people voting in 2 counties, or non-citizens if you don't follow up and LOOK at this mountain of uncleared ballots. And if you look at the mountain and you're ONLY CONCERNED about whether the vote counts or not --- you're not LOOKING for fraud and abuse -- are you?

Let's take all 1.5Million of them and find out...

 

[Frankeneinstein]

According to the *President, there were between 3-5 million illegal votes on Election Day! That amount seriously undercuts our cherished democratic process! We need an Investigation! Post Haste! Join me in contacting your Congressperson to demand this be investigated!

I wouldn't believe the president if he said water was wet.

In fact you would probably post media links as proof that it is not.

 

[flacaltenn]

The point with provisional ballots is that they are examined to determine whether they are valid before they are counted.

And, I pointed out that there are a number of reasons such ballots get rejected. You can NOT suggest that a rejected provisional ballot indicates that someone broke the law. So, you haven't show that fraud occurred in these cases

More to the point of this issue, you haven't show that ANY ballots got counted that should not have been counted.

Again. I'll say it slowly so that it sinks in. The fact that they are rejected and not counted doesn't mean that no fraud occurred. It's the WILL to investigate and PROSECUTE that is lacking here. Just like the habit of harboring criminal aliens and filling the Cali jails with them --- there's no UPSIDE to investigating and hauling people in for questioning when the state is run that way. And the state has ZERO motivation to UNCOVER and PROSECUTE any fraud.

And you ducked my question to you. People who ASK for provisionals are expected to eligible to CAST a ballot. If you're NOT registered, or not in the County you're SUPPOSED to be in or not ELIGIBLE -- that's a crime. Knowing this -- you could hose an election by FLOODING the polls with ineligible voters, create a post election hose fest nighmare and prevent VALID provisionals from being processed.


And 1.5 MILLION provisionals means that system sucks. So INVESTIGATING would be a good thing. I know that several groups have TRIED to audit the provisionals in the past. The Libertarian party that I was with in Cali did so. They charged us $10,000 to look at about 1000 provisional ballots. So you get the impression -- it's not exactly an "open process"..

I think the purpose of a provisional ballot is....pending investigation of voter status

If that status is rejected, you have done no crime
Your ballot is rejected

It ends THERE? Not eligible -- no vote??? Well that doesn't cut it does it? Not if youre interested in fraud and abuse. Did they attempt to vote twice? Are they Federally qualified? Is the state gonna DO anything about that?

Kinda like an extension of sanctuary city policy if you don't enforce the laws and look the other way..

 

[PeterGriffin]

There were 4 documented cases of voter fraud in 2016. 3 of them were Trump voters.

 

[reconmark]

Trump was right!!!!...none of the millions of illegal voters voted for him....
Imaginary people can't pull the levers.....

 

[Uncensored2008]

There were 4 documented cases of voter fraud in 2016. 3 of them were Trump voters.

Ooo look, another lying fucktard democrat, posting fake news on behalf of FOREIGN billionaire George Soros, in his lust to subvert American elections.

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