3 mass shooting, three semi automtic rifles

[2aguy]

Vegas Babies!
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The last shooters have been atheists and democrats........and black lives matter.........

 

[2aguy]

This last asshole was on bail for assault with a deadly weapon and the weapon itself and the magazines were ALREADY illegal. The next door neighbor had a restraining order that did fuckall to protect her as she was the second person this asshole murdered, so, yet again....How'd that gun ban work out?

The law won't stop every one, but does lower the them. It would work better if list were public on smart phones like the sex offenders registry so people could keep an eye on them.

No it doesn't. The only people who follow gun bans are those who follow the law. Criminals don't. That's why they're called criminals.

Did I ever say to ban good law abiding citizens or create any regulations to trip them up & take their guns? - No!

I only want restrictions on bad guys, mentally ill. suicidal, drug users, violent abusers.

Those laws are already on the books.

No there is not laws banning this. Only some convicted criminals get banned. There is no publicized registry of dangerous, suicidal, criminal, & violent people.

Yes...there is...it is called a felony conviction and whenever you are stopped the police access this in their cars.......and it shows up in the gun background check...unless the clerk in the airforce fails to press "send."

 

[2aguy]

People really need to learn the difference between an assault rifle and semi automatic.

Who cares? A semi automatic sure did kill
a lot in Vegas.

A gun lover will drown you with the minutiae and tedium of the lexicon of all things firearm. They will point out your folly in wadding into the world of guns and attempting a solution to the havoc guns bring.

They will tell you that as no law designed by the mind of man can act as a panacea, no further laws need be written. The perfect is the enemy of the pragmatic. They will tell you that gun control laws are ineffective. They will say gun control laws are unconstitutional. They will tell you that any gun control efforts will inevitably end in forcible confiscation of all guns.

And that attitude renders them as complicit in mass shootings. As gun lovers cannot imagine any solution to the problem, as they defend the use of these weapons, we can reliably point to gun lovers as co-conspirators in gun violence.

Gun lovers dismiss any discussion of solutions. They have factored in the blood of innocent victims as the cost of doing business in a society where weapons of warfare are available to everyone. Great n lovers and their powerful lobbies are therefore complicit murderers until they collectively assume some responsibility for the scourge of gun violence.

I note you have no suggestions either because you are complicit in the ignorance of the gun grabbers.

My solution is the total ban on the sale, manufacture, distribution, importation and possession of all firearms with a semi-automatic firing system and can be fitted with a magazine of greater than ten rounds. Such weapons should be bought back by the federal government at 150% of market value for the first 18 months, 100% for six months after that and 50% for the final six months. After that the sale, distribution importation and possession will be punished by a $150,000 fine and five years in federal prison for each weapon.

So you only want mass shooters and criminals to have these guns.....

There are 13 million AR-15 civilian rifles in private hands....2 have been used....

13,000,000 not used for crime vs. 2 used for crime.

Can you tell which number is bigger?

Cars.....killed over 35,000 people in 2015...

Mass shootings 2016.... total, 6, number killed....71.

can you tell the difference with these numbers...

Guns aren't the problem....the criminal justice system is the problem...fix that, leave us alone.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

We need to start with a ban on high capacity magazines.

It took the Vegas shooter at least 25 seconds to reload mags with enough rounds to last 10 seconds firing about 9 rounds a second.

Wow, you suck at math too? Your 9 rounds per second is hilarious, but since you brought it up, we'll use it!

10 X 9 = 90 rounds. That's 3-30 round magazines. It takes a matter of seconds to change a magazine on an AR-15 style weapon. If it takes longer than that, you just suck at it..

He was probably changing weapons, not magazines. After that rate of fire, the weapon would be way too hot to handle.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

They keep saying the same BS while the corpses pile up. Meanwhile the only proven solution is gun control.

Show us a single country where a gun ban has worked.

Every civilized country with gun control does not have a gun problem. Where has it not worked?

So no one gets killed with a gun in the UK?

Of course people get killed in the U.K. No law is a panacea. No law PREVENTS all crime. Stop making the perfect the enemy of the pragmatic.

The pragmatic would be to enforce the gun laws we already have with harsh sentencing and no parole not blaming all gun owners for the actions of fucking criminals.

Commit any crime while in possession of a firearm even if that fire arm was never drawn automatic 25 years no parole

Commit any crime and draw a firearm during the commission of that crime even if the gun is not fired 35 years no parole

Commit any crime and fire a gun during the commission of that crime and no one gets injured or killed 50 years no parole

Commit a crime and injure or kill with a firearm during the commission of that crime LIFE no parole

That is gun control

We would go bankrupt from funding the prisons needed to keep all of those liberals locked up for that long!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Show us a single country where a gun ban has worked.

Every civilized country with gun control does not have a gun problem. Where has it not worked?

So no one gets killed with a gun in the UK?

Of course people get killed in the U.K. No law is a panacea. No law PREVENTS all crime. Stop making the perfect the enemy of the pragmatic.

The pragmatic would be to enforce the gun laws we already have with harsh sentencing and no parole not blaming all gun owners for the actions of fucking criminals.

Commit any crime while in possession of a firearm even if that fire arm was never drawn automatic 25 years no parole

Commit any crime and draw a firearm during the commission of that crime even if the gun is not fired 35 years no parole

Commit any crime and fire a gun during the commission of that crime and no one gets injured or killed 50 years no parole

Commit a crime and injure or kill with a firearm during the commission of that crime LIFE no parole

That is gun control

And the men's tally frazzled take all that into account right up to the point they pull the trigger.

What puts the "mass" in "mass shooting"? The weapon.

In China and Japan they have mass slashings with knives. Did they ban knives?

 

[KissMy]

We need to start with a ban on high capacity magazines.

It took the Vegas shooter at least 25 seconds to reload mags with enough rounds to last 10 seconds firing about 9 rounds a second.

Wow, you suck at math too? Your 9 rounds per second is hilarious, but since you brought it up, we'll use it!

10 X 9 = 90 rounds. That's 3-30 round magazines. It takes a matter of seconds to change a magazine on an AR-15 style weapon. If it takes longer than that, you just suck at it..

He was probably changing weapons, not magazines. After that rate of fire, the weapon would be way too hot to handle.

He did not change mags during those ~10 second burst. He had 60 - 100 round mags. The 9 rounds per second was not rock steady because of bump-fire varying. A true full auto AR-15 holds steady around 15rps

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

We need to start with a ban on high capacity magazines.

It took the Vegas shooter at least 25 seconds to reload mags with enough rounds to last 10 seconds firing about 9 rounds a second.

Wow, you suck at math too? Your 9 rounds per second is hilarious, but since you brought it up, we'll use it!

10 X 9 = 90 rounds. That's 3-30 round magazines. It takes a matter of seconds to change a magazine on an AR-15 style weapon. If it takes longer than that, you just suck at it..

He was probably changing weapons, not magazines. After that rate of fire, the weapon would be way too hot to handle.

He did not change mags during those ~10 second burst. He had 60 - 100 round mags. The 9 rounds per second was not rock steady because of bump-fire varying.

None of the mags I have seen pictured, including those in the two AR-15s laying on the floor were more than 30 rounds. Got a link to that info?

Of course, I doubt you could even recognize one if it hit you in the head.

 

[2aguy]

We need to start with a ban on high capacity magazines.

It took the Vegas shooter at least 25 seconds to reload mags with enough rounds to last 10 seconds firing about 9 rounds a second.

Wow, you suck at math too? Your 9 rounds per second is hilarious, but since you brought it up, we'll use it!

10 X 9 = 90 rounds. That's 3-30 round magazines. It takes a matter of seconds to change a magazine on an AR-15 style weapon. If it takes longer than that, you just suck at it..

He was probably changing weapons, not magazines. After that rate of fire, the weapon would be way too hot to handle.

He did not change mags during those ~10 second burst. He had 60 - 100 round mags. The 9 rounds per second was not rock steady because of bump-fire varying. A true full auto AR-15 holds steady around 15rps

There is no "true full auto AR-15." The AR-15 civilian rifle is a semi auto rifle...

Please link to the magazines he had......keep in mind it wouldn't matter since magazine capacity has no bearing on the number of deaths in a mass shooting....

Here....read some actual research so you know what you are trying to talk about....

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Do bans on large-capacity magazines (LCMs) for semiautomatic firearms have significant potential for reducing the number of deaths and injuries in mass shootings?
The most common rationale for an effect of LCM use is that they allow mass killers to fire many rounds without reloading.
LCMs are used is less than 1/3 of 1% of mass shootings.
News accounts of 23 shootings in which more than six people were killed or wounded and LCMs were used, occurring in the U.S. in 1994-2013, were examined.
There was only one incident in which the shooter may have been stopped by bystander intervention when he tried to reload.
In all of these 23 incidents the shooter possessed either multiple guns or multiple magazines, meaning that the shooter, even if denied LCMs, could have continued firing without significant interruption by either switching loaded guns or by changing smaller loaded magazines with only a 2-4 second delay for each magazine change.
Finally, the data indicate that mass shooters maintain slow enough rates of fire such that the time needed to reload would not increase the time between shots and thus the time available for prospective victims to escape.

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We did not employ the oft-used definition of “mass murder” as a homicide in which four or more victims were killed, because most of these involve just four to six victims (Duwe 2007), which could therefore have involved as few as six rounds fired, a number that shooters using even ordinary revolvers are capable of firing without reloading.

LCMs obviously cannot help shooters who fire no more rounds than could be fired without LCMs, so the inclusion of “nonaffectable” cases with only four to six victims would dilute the sample, reducing the percent of sample incidents in which an LCM might have affected the number of casualties.

Further, had we studied only homicides with four or more dead victims, drawn from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports, we would have missed cases in which huge numbers of people were shot, and huge numbers of rounds were fired, but three or fewer of the victims died.


For example, in one widely publicized shooting carried out in Los Angeles on February 28, 1997, two bank robbers shot a total of 18 people - surely a mass shooting by any reasonable standard (Table 1).

Yet, because none of the people they shot died, this incident would not qualify as a mass murder (or even murder of any kind).

Exclusion of such incidents would bias the sample against the proposition that LCM use increases the number of victims by excluding incidents with large numbers of victims. We also excluded shootings in which more than six persons were shot over the entire course of the incident but shootings occurred in multiple locations with no more than six people shot in any one of the locations, and substantial periods of time intervened between episodes of shooting. An example is the series of killings committed by Rodrick Dantzler on July 7, 2011.

Once eligible incidents were identified, we searched through news accounts for details related to whether the use of LCMs could have influenced the casualty counts.

Specifically, we searched for

(1) the number of magazines in the shooter’s immediate possession,

(2) the capacity of the largest magazine,

(3) the number of guns in the shooter’s immediate possession during the incident,

(4) the types of guns possessed,

(5) whether the shooter reloaded during the incident,

(6) the number of rounds fired,

(7) the duration of the shooting from the first shot fired to the last, and (8) whether anyone intervened to stop the shooter.

Findings How Many Mass Shootings were Committed Using LCMs?

We identified 23 total incidents in which more than six people were shot at a single time and place in the U.S. from 1994 through 2013 and that were known to involve use of any magazines with capacities over ten rounds.


Table 1 summarizes key details of the LCMinvolved mass shootings relevant to the issues addressed in this paper.

(Table 1 about here) What fraction of all mass shootings involve LCMs?

There is no comprehensive listing of all mass shootings available for the entire 1994-2013 period, but the most extensive one currently available is at the Shootingtracker.com website, which only began its coverage in 2013.

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How Often Have Bystanders Intervened While a Mass Shooter Was Trying to Reload?

First, we consider the issue of how many times people have disrupted a mass shooting while the shooter was trying to load a detachable magazine into a semiautomatic gun.

Note that 16 it is irrelevant whether interveners have stopped a shooter while trying to reload some other type of gun, using other kinds of magazines, since we are addressing the potential significance of restrictions on the capacity of detachable magazines which are used only with semiautomatic firearms.

Thus, bystander intervention directed at shooters using other types of guns that take much longer to reload than a semiautomatic gun using detachable magazines could not provide any guidance as to the likelihood of bystander intervention when the shooter was using a semiautomatic gun equipped with detachable magazines that can be reloaded very quickly.

Prospective interveners would presumably be more likely to tackle a shooter who took a long time to reload than one who took only 2-4 seconds to do so.

Likewise, bystander interventions that occurred at a time when the shooter was not reloading (e.g., when he was struggling with a defective gun or magazine) are irrelevant, since that kind of intervention could occur regardless of what kinds of magazines or firearms the shooter was using.


It is the need to reload detachable magazines sooner and more often that differentiates shooters using smaller detachable magazines from those using larger ones.

For the period 1994-2013 inclusive, we identified three mass shooting incidents in which it was claimed that interveners disrupted the shooting by tackling the shooter while he was trying to reload.

In only one of the three cases, however, did interveners actually tackle the shooter while he may have been reloading a semiautomatic firearm.

In one of the incidents, the weapon in question was a shotgun that had to be reloaded by inserting one shotshell at a time into the weapon (Knoxville News Sentinel “Takedown of Alleged Shooter Recounted” July 29, 2008, regarding a shooting in Knoxville, TN on July 27, 2008), and so the incident is irrelevant to the effects of detachable LCMs.


In another incident, occurring in Springfield, Oregon on May 21, 1998, the shooter, Kip Kinkel, was using a semiautomatic gun, and he was tackled by bystanders, but not while he was reloading.

After exhausting the ammunition in one gun, the shooter started 17 firing another loaded gun, one of three firearms he had with him.

The first intervener was shot in the hand in the course of wresting this still-loaded gun away from the shooter (The (Portland) Oregonian, May 23, 1998).


The final case occurred in Tucson, AZ on January 8, 2011.

This is the shooting in which Jared Loughner attempted to assassinate Representative Gabrielle Giffords.

The shooter was using a semiautomatic firearm and was tackled by bystanders, purportedly while trying to reload a detachable magazine.

Even in this case, however, there were important uncertainties.

According to one news account, one bystander “grabbed a full magazine” that the shooter dropped, and two others helped subdue him (Associated Press, January 9, 2011).

It is not, however, clear whether this bystander intervention was facilitated because

(1) the shooter was reloading, or because

(2) the shooter stopping firing when his gun or magazine failed to function properly.

Eyewitness testimony, including that of the interveners, was inconsistent as to exactly why or how the intervention transpired in Giffords shooting.

One intervener insisted that he was sure the shooter had exhausted the ammunition in the first magazine (and thus was about to reload) because he saw the gun’s slide locked back – a condition he believed could only occur with this particular firearm after the last round is fired.

In fact, this can also happen when the guns jams, i.e. fails to chamber the next round (Salzgeber 2014; Morrill 2014).

Complicating matters further, the New York Times reported that the spring on the second magazine was broken, presumably rendering it incapable of functioning.

Their story’s headline and text characterized this mechanical failure as “perhaps the only fortunate event of the day” (New York Times “A Single, Terrifying Moment: Shots, Scuffle, Some Luck,” January 10, 2011, p. A1)

. If the New York Times account was accurate, the shooter would not have been able to continue shooting with that magazine even if no one had stopped him from loading it into his gun.

Detachable magazines of any size can malfunction, which would at least temporarily stop a prospective mass shooter from firing, and thereby provide an opportunity for bystanders to stop the shooter.
It is possible that the bystander intervention in the Tucson case could have occurred regardless of what size magazines the shooter possessed, since a shooter struggling with a defective small-capacity magazine would be just as vulnerable to disruption as one struggling with a defective large-capacity magazine. Thus, it remains unclear whether the shooter was reloading when the bystanders tackled him.
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The offenders in LCM-involved mass shootings were also known to have reloaded during 14 of the 23 (61%) incidents with magazine holding over 10 rounds.

The shooters were known to have not reloaded in another two of these 20 incidents and it could not be determined if they reloaded in the remaining seven incidents.

Thus, even if the shooters had been denied LCMs, we know that most of them definitely would have been able to reload smaller detachable magazines without interference from bystanders since they in fact did change magazines.

The fact that this percentage is less than 100% should not, however, be interpreted to mean that the shooters were unable to reload in the other nine incidents.

It is possible that the shooters could also have reloaded in many of these nine shootings, but chose not to do so, or did not need to do so in order to fire all the rounds they wanted to fire. This is consistent with the fact that there has been at most only one mass shootings in twenty years in which reloading a semiautomatic firearm might have been blocked by bystanders intervening and thereby stopping the shooter from doing all the shooting he wanted to do. All we know is that in two incidents the shooter did not reload, and news accounts of seven other incidents did not mention whether the offender reloaded.

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For example, a story in the Hartford Courant about the Sandy Hook elementary school killings in 2012 was headlined “Shooter Paused, and Six Escaped,” the text asserting that as many as six children may have survived because the shooter paused to reload (December 23, 2012). ''

The author of the story, however, went on to concede that this was just a speculation by an unnamed source, and that it was also possible that some children simply escaped when the killer was shooting other children.

There was no reliable evidence that the pauses were due to the shooter reloading, rather than his guns jamming or the shooter simply choosing to pause his shooting while his gun was still loaded.

The plausibility of the “victims escape” rationale depends on the average rates of fire that shooters in mass shootings typically maintain.

If they fire very fast, the 2-4 seconds it takes to change box-type detachable magazines could produce a slowing of the rate of fire that the shooters otherwise would have maintained without the magazine changes, increasing the average time between rounds fired and potentially allowing more victims to escape during the betweenshot intervals.

On the other hand, if mass shooters fire their guns with the average interval between shots lasting more than 2-4 seconds, the pauses due to additional magazine changes would be no longer than the pauses the shooter typically took between shots even when not reloading.

In that case, there would be no more opportunity for potential victims to escape than there would have been without the additional magazine changes

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In sum, in nearly all LCM-involved mass shootings, the time it takes to reload a detachable magazine is no greater than the average time between shots that the shooter takes anyway when not reloading.

Consequently, there is no affirmative evidence that reloading detachable magazines slows mass shooters’ rates of fire, and thus no affirmative evidence that the number of victims who could escape the killers due to additional pauses in the shooting is increased by the shooter’s need to change magazines.

 

[KissMy]

We need to start with a ban on high capacity magazines.

It took the Vegas shooter at least 25 seconds to reload mags with enough rounds to last 10 seconds firing about 9 rounds a second.

Wow, you suck at math too? Your 9 rounds per second is hilarious, but since you brought it up, we'll use it!

10 X 9 = 90 rounds. That's 3-30 round magazines. It takes a matter of seconds to change a magazine on an AR-15 style weapon. If it takes longer than that, you just suck at it..

He was probably changing weapons, not magazines. After that rate of fire, the weapon would be way too hot to handle.

He did not change mags during those ~10 second burst. He had 60 - 100 round mags. The 9 rounds per second was not rock steady because of bump-fire varying.

None of the mags I have seen pictured, including those in the two AR-15s laying on the floor were more than 30 rounds. Got a link to that info?

Of course, I doubt you could even recognize one if it hit you in the head.

Where are the mag change pauses in each ~10 second volley?

 

[Skull Pilot]

We need to start with a ban on high capacity magazines.

It took the Vegas shooter at least 25 seconds to reload mags with enough rounds to last 10 seconds firing about 9 rounds a second.

And you timed him?

That is a bullshit statement because you have no idea what he was doing in that room.

The entire 10 minute shooting spree was recorded across various video / audio recorders. He had his shooter's lair set up for efficiency. I'm sure he wasn't sipping tea between burst.

You don't know what he was doing.

That you think it took 25 seconds to swap out a magazine is pretty funny though.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Show us a single country where a gun ban has worked.

Every civilized country with gun control does not have a gun problem. Where has it not worked?

So no one gets killed with a gun in the UK?

Of course people get killed in the U.K. No law is a panacea. No law PREVENTS all crime. Stop making the perfect the enemy of the pragmatic.

The pragmatic would be to enforce the gun laws we already have with harsh sentencing and no parole not blaming all gun owners for the actions of fucking criminals.

Commit any crime while in possession of a firearm even if that fire arm was never drawn automatic 25 years no parole

Commit any crime and draw a firearm during the commission of that crime even if the gun is not fired 35 years no parole

Commit any crime and fire a gun during the commission of that crime and no one gets injured or killed 50 years no parole

Commit a crime and injure or kill with a firearm during the commission of that crime LIFE no parole

That is gun control

And the men's tally frazzled take all that into account right up to the point they pull the trigger.

What puts the "mass" in "mass shooting"? The weapon.

You just said yourself that laws don't stop all crimes didn't you?

One of the facts you control freaks like to ignore is that 70% of gunshot victims have criminal records and are shot by other people with criminal records. Many have been in and out of jail for violent crimes.

Getting those people off the streets will reduce the murder rate.

Focusing on 1% of murders that happen to occur in mass shooting events will have no effect on the murder rate
Focusing on semiautomatic rifles which are used in less than 2% of all murders wont have an effect on the murder rate.

and you call the latter two things pragmatic?

 

[Brain357]

Perhaps it wouldn't HAVE to be about "all" gun owners if gun owners were willing to have more regulation around who can own a gun, etc. I really like the sound of the recent law in California that allows law enforcement to take a person's guns temporarily for good cause and then it is adjudicated by a judge. That law nationwide might have prevented two of the shootings we've recently had.

LOL! You just said you want the government to take peoples guns. Someone tries to take mine and if I can I'll shoot at least one of them.

Your life must not be worth much. Die for an inanimate object? Sad.

Better than being on my knees like you coward.

You are the coward hiding behind your guns while women and children die.

Tissue?

You must like all the corpses.

 

[Nosmo King]

Every civilized country with gun control does not have a gun problem. Where has it not worked?

So no one gets killed with a gun in the UK?

Of course people get killed in the U.K. No law is a panacea. No law PREVENTS all crime. Stop making the perfect the enemy of the pragmatic.

The pragmatic would be to enforce the gun laws we already have with harsh sentencing and no parole not blaming all gun owners for the actions of fucking criminals.

Commit any crime while in possession of a firearm even if that fire arm was never drawn automatic 25 years no parole

Commit any crime and draw a firearm during the commission of that crime even if the gun is not fired 35 years no parole

Commit any crime and fire a gun during the commission of that crime and no one gets injured or killed 50 years no parole

Commit a crime and injure or kill with a firearm during the commission of that crime LIFE no parole

That is gun control

And the men's tally frazzled take all that into account right up to the point they pull the trigger.

What puts the "mass" in "mass shooting"? The weapon.

So, you somehow, magically, get all of the guns off the streets. The bad guys switch to trucks. Do you see where this leads?

Why are you more afraid of trucks than semi-automatics? Can't imagine another use for trucks than as weapons?

 

[Brain357]

People really need to learn the difference between an assault rifle and semi automatic.

Who cares? A semi automatic sure did kill
a lot in Vegas.

A gun lover will drown you with the minutiae and tedium of the lexicon of all things firearm. They will point out your folly in wadding into the world of guns and attempting a solution to the havoc guns bring.

They will tell you that as no law designed by the mind of man can act as a panacea, no further laws need be written. The perfect is the enemy of the pragmatic. They will tell you that gun control laws are ineffective. They will say gun control laws are unconstitutional. They will tell you that any gun control efforts will inevitably end in forcible confiscation of all guns.

And that attitude renders them as complicit in mass shootings. As gun lovers cannot imagine any solution to the problem, as they defend the use of these weapons, we can reliably point to gun lovers as co-conspirators in gun violence.

Gun lovers dismiss any discussion of solutions. They have factored in the blood of innocent victims as the cost of doing business in a society where weapons of warfare are available to everyone. Great n lovers and their powerful lobbies are therefore complicit murderers until they collectively assume some responsibility for the scourge of gun violence.

I note you have no suggestions either because you are complicit in the ignorance of the gun grabbers.

My solution is the total ban on the sale, manufacture, distribution, importation and possession of all firearms with a semi-automatic firing system and can be fitted with a magazine of greater than ten rounds. Such weapons should be bought back by the federal government at 150% of market value for the first 18 months, 100% for six months after that and 50% for the final six months. After that the sale, distribution importation and possession will be punished by a $150,000 fine and five years in federal prison for each weapon.

So you only want mass shooters and criminals to have these guns.....

There are 13 million AR-15 civilian rifles in private hands....2 have been used....

13,000,000 not used for crime vs. 2 used for crime.

Can you tell which number is bigger?

Cars.....killed over 35,000 people in 2015...

Mass shootings 2016.... total, 6, number killed....71.

can you tell the difference with these numbers...

Guns aren't the problem....the criminal justice system is the problem...fix that, leave us alone.

We want them removed from crime like machine guns. Thanks to strong regulation machine guns are seldom used in crime.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Who cares? A semi automatic sure did kill
a lot in Vegas.

A gun lover will drown you with the minutiae and tedium of the lexicon of all things firearm. They will point out your folly in wadding into the world of guns and attempting a solution to the havoc guns bring.

They will tell you that as no law designed by the mind of man can act as a panacea, no further laws need be written. The perfect is the enemy of the pragmatic. They will tell you that gun control laws are ineffective. They will say gun control laws are unconstitutional. They will tell you that any gun control efforts will inevitably end in forcible confiscation of all guns.

And that attitude renders them as complicit in mass shootings. As gun lovers cannot imagine any solution to the problem, as they defend the use of these weapons, we can reliably point to gun lovers as co-conspirators in gun violence.

Gun lovers dismiss any discussion of solutions. They have factored in the blood of innocent victims as the cost of doing business in a society where weapons of warfare are available to everyone. Great n lovers and their powerful lobbies are therefore complicit murderers until they collectively assume some responsibility for the scourge of gun violence.

I note you have no suggestions either because you are complicit in the ignorance of the gun grabbers.

My solution is the total ban on the sale, manufacture, distribution, importation and possession of all firearms with a semi-automatic firing system and can be fitted with a magazine of greater than ten rounds. Such weapons should be bought back by the federal government at 150% of market value for the first 18 months, 100% for six months after that and 50% for the final six months. After that the sale, distribution importation and possession will be punished by a $150,000 fine and five years in federal prison for each weapon.

So you only want mass shooters and criminals to have these guns.....

There are 13 million AR-15 civilian rifles in private hands....2 have been used....

13,000,000 not used for crime vs. 2 used for crime.

Can you tell which number is bigger?

Cars.....killed over 35,000 people in 2015...

Mass shootings 2016.... total, 6, number killed....71.

can you tell the difference with these numbers...

Guns aren't the problem....the criminal justice system is the problem...fix that, leave us alone.

We want them removed from crime like machine guns. Thanks to strong regulation machine guns are seldom used in crime.

Semiautomatic rifles are used in murder 98.5 times less than all other weapons

 

[miketx]

Who cares? A semi automatic sure did kill
a lot in Vegas.

A gun lover will drown you with the minutiae and tedium of the lexicon of all things firearm. They will point out your folly in wadding into the world of guns and attempting a solution to the havoc guns bring.

They will tell you that as no law designed by the mind of man can act as a panacea, no further laws need be written. The perfect is the enemy of the pragmatic. They will tell you that gun control laws are ineffective. They will say gun control laws are unconstitutional. They will tell you that any gun control efforts will inevitably end in forcible confiscation of all guns.

And that attitude renders them as complicit in mass shootings. As gun lovers cannot imagine any solution to the problem, as they defend the use of these weapons, we can reliably point to gun lovers as co-conspirators in gun violence.

Gun lovers dismiss any discussion of solutions. They have factored in the blood of innocent victims as the cost of doing business in a society where weapons of warfare are available to everyone. Great n lovers and their powerful lobbies are therefore complicit murderers until they collectively assume some responsibility for the scourge of gun violence.

I note you have no suggestions either because you are complicit in the ignorance of the gun grabbers.

My solution is the total ban on the sale, manufacture, distribution, importation and possession of all firearms with a semi-automatic firing system and can be fitted with a magazine of greater than ten rounds. Such weapons should be bought back by the federal government at 150% of market value for the first 18 months, 100% for six months after that and 50% for the final six months. After that the sale, distribution importation and possession will be punished by a $150,000 fine and five years in federal prison for each weapon.

So you only want mass shooters and criminals to have these guns.....

There are 13 million AR-15 civilian rifles in private hands....2 have been used....

13,000,000 not used for crime vs. 2 used for crime.

Can you tell which number is bigger?

Cars.....killed over 35,000 people in 2015...

Mass shootings 2016.... total, 6, number killed....71.

can you tell the difference with these numbers...

Guns aren't the problem....the criminal justice system is the problem...fix that, leave us alone.

We want them removed from crime like machine guns. Thanks to strong regulation machine guns are seldom used in crime.

They are used in crime everywhere in the world except here. But once they were.

 

[KissMy]

1 shooter vs ~25,000 gun lovers & their police heros they worship. He kill the shit out of them. It took them pussies so long to get their shit together that he got tired of waiting.

Cop #1 - "I think were safe hiding here behind this big pole until he stops shooting"
Cop #2 - "Man, I was so scared that I dropped the doughnuts back there by the squad car"

 

[miketx]

1 shooter vs ~25,000 gun lovers & their police heros they worship. He kill the shit out of them. It took them pussies so long to get their shit together that he got tired of waiting.

Cop #1 - "I think were safe hiding here behind this big pole until he stops shooting"
Cop #2 - "Man, I was so scared that I dropped the doughnuts back there by the squad car"

Gets you all hard doesn't it scumbag?

 

[KissMy]

1 shooter vs ~25,000 gun lovers & their police heros they worship. He kill the shit out of them. It took them pussies so long to get their shit together that he got tired of waiting.

Cop #1 - "I think were safe hiding here behind this big pole until he stops shooting"
Cop #2 - "Man, I was so scared that I dropped the doughnuts back there by the squad car"

Gets you all hard doesn't it scumbag?

It certainly is telling. It defiantly explains chicken-shit white flight clinging to their guns. You pussies praise "brave police" for taking over an hour to get to the shooter. :LOL: Any cab driver is braver than Repubtards or Police!