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Everyone is not responsible to own a car either. Everyone is not responsible to own a pool. Everyone is not responsible to own household chemicals!!
Unlike guns, cars, pools, and household chemicals aren't made to kill people.
None of those things are constitutionally guaranteed RIGHTS either. The right to own a gun IS a constitutionally guaranteed right.
None of those things are constitutionally guaranteed RIGHTS either. The right to own a gun IS a constitutionally guaranteed right.
You're correct. But if an individual through his/her own efforts shows that they aren't responsible or pose a threat, shouldn't the government be able to say no for the safety of the other citizens?
Give me an example.
Give me an example.
Making terrorist threats.
So, should they lose their right to free speech as well? What about people who go online to recruit? Your example is sorely lacking any logic.
Everyone is not responsible to own a car either. Everyone is not responsible to own a pool. Everyone is not responsible to own household chemicals!!
Unlike guns, cars, pools, and household chemicals aren't made to kill people.
None of those things are constitutionally guaranteed RIGHTS either. The right to own a gun IS a constitutionally guaranteed right.
None of those things are constitutionally guaranteed RIGHTS either. The right to own a gun IS a constitutionally guaranteed right.
You're correct. But if an individual through his/her own efforts shows that they aren't responsible or pose a threat, shouldn't the government be able to say no for the safety of the other citizens?
Yes...we have laws for that already. If you commit a crime with a gun...showing you are irresponsible, you can be arrested and your Right to own a gun can be stripped.....
Yes...we have laws for that already. If you commit a crime with a gun...showing you are irresponsible, you can be arrested and your Right to own a gun can be stripped....
If a person has been convicted of a violent crime should he/she be permitted to buy to be in possession of a gun?
A violent crime, no....and for non violent felonies he should have to wait a period of years before he can own and carry a gun again.
But...we already have laws that enforce that....if you are a felon and you are caught owning a gun or carrying a gun you can already be arrested under existing law.....
Yeah....you know....the Friday night Date who doesn't take "NO" for an answer...will take a .45 as an answer just like a stranger.........what is it with you guys and your childish...12 year old way of thinking..........
Not all rapes are date rape......and guns are the best method to stop a rape...stranger or otherwise......twits.
Most rapes aren't defensable with a gun. The girl who is completely drunk isn't going to use a gun. The girl who is already naked and then says no cant use a gun. Many victims are under 18 and can't have a gun.
Wow ....you really are stupid.......and all the women grabbed in parking lots and at bus stops.....and in the parking garage of their college.....they should just be allowed to be raped...right...twit.
Do you always have to think like a 12 year old....?
Those are a tiny percent of rapes. And as we see in the OP, a gun is often a bad idea.
You are still stupid....so....because it is a smaller group than date rape.....they should just be raped? They should not be able to stop the rape with a gun? Are you really 12 years old or do you just post like a 12 year old.
And as I stated before......a gun stops date rape just as well as a back alley rape...twit.
They are welcome to have a gun if they wish. But they are probably more likely to be this woman shot by her 4 year old, or the woman shot dead by her kid in Walmart, or the bra holster woman who shot herself dead than to ever defend herself.
None of those things are constitutionally guaranteed RIGHTS either. The right to own a gun IS a constitutionally guaranteed right.
None of those things are constitutionally guaranteed RIGHTS either. The right to own a gun IS a constitutionally guaranteed right.
You're correct. But if an individual through his/her own efforts shows that they aren't responsible or pose a threat, shouldn't the government be able to say no for the safety of the other citizens?
Yes...we have laws for that already. If you commit a crime with a gun...showing you are irresponsible, you can be arrested and your Right to own a gun can be stripped.....
Yes...we have laws for that already. If you commit a crime with a gun...showing you are irresponsible, you can be arrested and your Right to own a gun can be stripped....
If a person has been convicted of a violent crime should he/she be permitted to buy to be in possession of a gun?
A violent crime, no....and for non violent felonies he should have to wait a period of years before he can own and carry a gun again.
But...we already have laws that enforce that....if you are a felon and you are caught owning a gun or carrying a gun you can already be arrested under existing law.....
A violent crime, no....and for non violent felonies he should have to wait a period of years before he can own and carry a gun again.
What?
But...we already have laws that enforce that....if you are a felon and you are caught owning a gun or carrying a gun you can already be arrested under existing law.....
We sure do, and to catch these folks we need to do background checks.
This is the thing though.If you can assert that they dont make the news then you can inflate the figure.Here are some parents greatly regretting gun ownership now:
Police: Child killed in accidental shooting
These stories are much easier to find than any of lives being saved.
Yeah...because they bleed......and journalists are,anti gun in their bias........again...1,500,000 defensive gun uses and when you tell the guy you will shoot if they don't leave...and then they leave...doesn't make the local news twit......and then most of these stories can't break local news into national news even if a thug is shot.......you guys are so desperate to hide the truth, the facts and the reality...
Too bad for you that women and minorities don't buy your lies...they are the growing sectors in gun ownership........and that is not good news for you anti gun nuts...
Yet you post many that do make the news... The news needs exciting stories like gun defenses, they aren't going to turn them away. You are living in fantasy land again.
According to the OP that is not good news for women or children.
Most rapes aren't defensable with a gun. The girl who is completely drunk isn't going to use a gun. The girl who is already naked and then says no cant use a gun. Many victims are under 18 and can't have a gun.
Wow ....you really are stupid.......and all the women grabbed in parking lots and at bus stops.....and in the parking garage of their college.....they should just be allowed to be raped...right...twit.
Do you always have to think like a 12 year old....?
Those are a tiny percent of rapes. And as we see in the OP, a gun is often a bad idea.
You are still stupid....so....because it is a smaller group than date rape.....they should just be raped? They should not be able to stop the rape with a gun? Are you really 12 years old or do you just post like a 12 year old.
And as I stated before......a gun stops date rape just as well as a back alley rape...twit.
They are welcome to have a gun if they wish. But they are probably more likely to be this woman shot by her 4 year old, or the woman shot dead by her kid in Walmart, or the bra holster woman who shot herself dead than to ever defend herself.
That stupid lie has been debunked ages ago.
This is the thing though.If you can assert that they dont make the news then you can inflate the figure.Here are some parents greatly regretting gun ownership now:
Police: Child killed in accidental shooting
These stories are much easier to find than any of lives being saved.
Yeah...because they bleed......and journalists are,anti gun in their bias........again...1,500,000 defensive gun uses and when you tell the guy you will shoot if they don't leave...and then they leave...doesn't make the local news twit......and then most of these stories can't break local news into national news even if a thug is shot.......you guys are so desperate to hide the truth, the facts and the reality...
Too bad for you that women and minorities don't buy your lies...they are the growing sectors in gun ownership........and that is not good news for you anti gun nuts...
Yet you post many that do make the news... The news needs exciting stories like gun defenses, they aren't going to turn them away. You are living in fantasy land again.
According to the OP that is not good news for women or children.
This is the thing though.If you can assert that they dont make the news then you can inflate the figure.Here are some parents greatly regretting gun ownership now:
Police: Child killed in accidental shooting
These stories are much easier to find than any of lives being saved.
Yeah...because they bleed......and journalists are,anti gun in their bias........again...1,500,000 defensive gun uses and when you tell the guy you will shoot if they don't leave...and then they leave...doesn't make the local news twit......and then most of these stories can't break local news into national news even if a thug is shot.......you guys are so desperate to hide the truth, the facts and the reality...
Too bad for you that women and minorities don't buy your lies...they are the growing sectors in gun ownership........and that is not good news for you anti gun nuts...
Yet you post many that do make the news... The news needs exciting stories like gun defenses, they aren't going to turn them away. You are living in fantasy land again.
According to the OP that is not good news for women or children.
Why are you worried about people defending themselves against criminals? Even if it was 30,000 people a year, that is still 30,000 who avoided being victims of criminals because of their guns. Right?
With 19,000 accidental shootings and 500 accidental shooting deaths it is probably better for some to just give up their wallet. Not to mention how many people are in jail because they thought it was a lawful defense.
1,500,000 times Americans use guns for self defense according to Bill Clinton.......,,,,far more than non fatal accidents, fatal accidents and actual gun murder.....combined......twit.
Why fatal? There is obviously not 1.5 million lives being saved. Gun owners are a minority, a small minority when you look at how many carry. We only have like 14,000 murders each year in the country. That means at most the number of lives saved is some small percent of 14,000.
if the criminal runs away before they commit the crime...the crime doesn't happen twit.......so it isn't counted...so the thug that planned on kidnapping, torturing, raping and murdering a Oman....who is stopped because the woman points a gun........that is a rape, kidnapping, torture, and murder that are never counted....because they didn't happen because of the gun.....moron.
There are about 14,000 murders each year and gun owners are a minority, sorry your crazy fantasy numbers don't save you in this one. At most the number is a small percent of 14,000.
So your point is most law abiding people have almost no chance of being a victim of murder? Yes that is true.
That's the keyword.
I have almost no chance of dying in a car crash yet the gov't mandates I wear a seatbelt.
So if you want to have a gun because you are scared and paranoid because there is a tiny chance someone will try to kill you please do. But be aware there is also a small chance that gun will be involved in an accidental shooting that could kill or maim one of your family members. If you look at who is killed by guns they are primarily suicide machines so you have to worry about that also.
A seat belt won't accidently kill you or a family member.
This is why I don't get too bent out of shape about gun nuts. They mostly shoot their own family and friends, either by accident, or intentionally in a rage. While I can get pretty worked up over it when a child is involved, mostly I consider it nature's way of thinning the heard.
So your point is most law abiding people have almost no chance of being a victim of murder? Yes that is true.
That's the keyword.
I have almost no chance of dying in a car crash yet the gov't mandates I wear a seatbelt.
So if you want to have a gun because you are scared and paranoid because there is a tiny chance someone will try to kill you please do. But be aware there is also a small chance that gun will be involved in an accidental shooting that could kill or maim one of your family members. If you look at who is killed by guns they are primarily suicide machines so you have to worry about that also.
A seat belt won't accidently kill you or a family member.
With 19,000 accidental shootings and 500 accidental shooting deaths it is probably better for some to just give up their wallet. Not to mention how many people are in jail because they thought it was a lawful defense.
1,500,000 times Americans use guns for self defense according to Bill Clinton.......,,,,far more than non fatal accidents, fatal accidents and actual gun murder.....combined......twit.
Why fatal? There is obviously not 1.5 million lives being saved. Gun owners are a minority, a small minority when you look at how many carry. We only have like 14,000 murders each year in the country. That means at most the number of lives saved is some small percent of 14,000.
And not only are gun owners a minority, but lets look at the relationship of the victim to the murderer:
In 2009, 24.2 percent of victims were slain by family members; 53.8 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.). The relationship of murder victims and offenders was unknown in 43.9 percent of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter incidents in 2009. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 10.)
- Of the female murder victims for whom their relationships to the offenders were known, 34.6 percent were murdered by their husbands or boyfriends. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Tables 2 and 10.)
Over 50% of the time the victim is an acquaintance, over 24% a family member. The guy who decides to kill his gun toting wife is going to do it when she can't defend herself with a gun, like while in the shower or sleeping. The same could be said for many in the acquaintance group. So at most it really is a very small percent of 14,000.
Wrong....the people who know each other are most of the time criminals......who know each other from their lifestyle.....I have opted these facts over and over and then you lie....moron.
The husbands and boyfriends...have long records of violent behavior and criminal behavior, along with drug or alcohol abuse......what a twit...
You know th truth...and you lie.
So your point is most law abiding people have almost no chance of being a victim of murder? Yes that is true.
There you go. Let us "gun nuts" take care of ourselves.
Oh yea, when the robber breaks into your house, don't expect me to help you. You can just call 911, remember when seconds count the police are only minutes away.
I've heard of hunters shooting deer hunters OUT OF TREES saying that they thought they were a deer. Stupid people are everywhere but that doesn't change the fact that guns save lives. Period. End of thread.
And if you look at who is killed by guns, it is by far the owner most of all.
Na, not really.The fact is gun control does not work, more laws - less freedoms, more firearms less crime...
It catches criminals before they commit a crime all of the time.
Gang banger felons get extra time for gun possession, keeping them off the streets and lowering crime. Gun control works.
Na, not really.The fact is gun control does not work, more laws - less freedoms, more firearms less crime...
It catches criminals before they commit a crime all of the time.
Really? You don't think felons are caught with guns before they commit crimes?
This guy wouldn't have been caught without gun control:
FBI thwarts mass shooting at Milwaukee Masonic center
Can't catch these guys without gun control:
Dozens arrested in drug and gun trafficking investigation
Examples are all around...
None of those things are constitutionally guaranteed RIGHTS either. The right to own a gun IS a constitutionally guaranteed right.
None of those things are constitutionally guaranteed RIGHTS either. The right to own a gun IS a constitutionally guaranteed right.
You're correct. But if an individual through his/her own efforts shows that they aren't responsible or pose a threat, shouldn't the government be able to say no for the safety of the other citizens?
Yes...we have laws for that already. If you commit a crime with a gun...showing you are irresponsible, you can be arrested and your Right to own a gun can be stripped.....
Yes...we have laws for that already. If you commit a crime with a gun...showing you are irresponsible, you can be arrested and your Right to own a gun can be stripped....
If a person has been convicted of a violent crime should he/she be permitted to buy to be in possession of a gun?
A violent crime, no....and for non violent felonies he should have to wait a period of years before he can own and carry a gun again.
But...we already have laws that enforce that....if you are a felon and you are caught owning a gun or carrying a gun you can already be arrested under existing law.....
A violent crime, no....and for non violent felonies he should have to wait a period of years before he can own and carry a gun again.
What?
But...we already have laws that enforce that....if you are a felon and you are caught owning a gun or carrying a gun you can already be arrested under existing law.....
We sure do, and to catch these folks we need to do background checks.
This is the thing though.If you can assert that they dont make the news then you can inflate the figure.Here are some parents greatly regretting gun ownership now:
Police: Child killed in accidental shooting
These stories are much easier to find than any of lives being saved.
Yeah...because they bleed......and journalists are,anti gun in their bias........again...1,500,000 defensive gun uses and when you tell the guy you will shoot if they don't leave...and then they leave...doesn't make the local news twit......and then most of these stories can't break local news into national news even if a thug is shot.......you guys are so desperate to hide the truth, the facts and the reality...
Too bad for you that women and minorities don't buy your lies...they are the growing sectors in gun ownership........and that is not good news for you anti gun nuts...
Yet you post many that do make the news... The news needs exciting stories like gun defenses, they aren't going to turn them away. You are living in fantasy land again.
According to the OP that is not good news for women or children.
More firearms less crime... Buy more guns and ammo
With 19,000 accidental shootings and 500 accidental shooting deaths it is probably better for some to just give up their wallet. Not to mention how many people are in jail because they thought it was a lawful defense.
1,500,000 times Americans use guns for self defense according to Bill Clinton.......,,,,far more than non fatal accidents, fatal accidents and actual gun murder.....combined......twit.
Why fatal? There is obviously not 1.5 million lives being saved. Gun owners are a minority, a small minority when you look at how many carry. We only have like 14,000 murders each year in the country. That means at most the number of lives saved is some small percent of 14,000.
if the criminal runs away before they commit the crime...the crime doesn't happen twit.......so it isn't counted...so the thug that planned on kidnapping, torturing, raping and murdering a Oman....who is stopped because the woman points a gun........that is a rape, kidnapping, torture, and murder that are never counted....because they didn't happen because of the gun.....moron.
There are about 14,000 murders each year and gun owners are a minority, sorry your crazy fantasy numbers don't save you in this one. At most the number is a small percent of 14,000.
Not my numbers...not a fantasy...actual research by trained, research professionals...over time...both private and government researchers...you number....pulled out of your ass...
I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC
And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....
A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense
GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys
Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)
Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)
Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million
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Bordua...1977...1,414,544
DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)
Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)
Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)
Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)
DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)
Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])
Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer
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Ohio...1982...771,043
Gallup...1991...777,152
Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)
Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....
