400 million guns

[progressive hunter]

Understood. You don't know history - knew that already.

obviously I know it better than you,,

you do know what the american experiment is dont you??

 

[multivita-man]

Germany from 1934-1945 was a Socialist Government led by a Fascist Dictator

No.

 

[Lesh]

The left wants to get rid of guns right? They want to have buybacks, probably would like to have mandatory buybacks. But, my question is, does the left not want to get rid of guns?

Again I ask...who is this amorphous "left"? Name names. And buybacks would be ....read this SLOWLY...voluntary

When you make statements like

They want to have buybacks, probably would like to have mandatory buybacks

You are engaging in strawman fallacies and fantasies you have created

Example. Most poster would consider ME to be "left" and I certainly don't was all guns banned

 

[multivita-man]

obviously I know it better than you,,

you do know what the american experiment is dont you??

I know the reference; I think it's an overused phrase. America was a breakaway republic, not some wild experiment. We act like we somehow came up with democracy all by ourselves when the English settlers who founded what became the US of A imported the traditions of England/UK with them, dating back some 400+ years before the Revolution.

 

[Failzero]

No.

Yes , 100%

 

[progressive hunter]

I know the reference; I think it's an overused phrase.

only because it refutes everything you think to be true,,

dont worry youre not the only useless idiot in the country,,

 

[multivita-man]

Yes , 100%

Wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about.

If you understood anything about Weimar Germany in the 1920s, you'd understand that the Nazis were brutal, bitter enemies of the communists. The German conservatives, led by Hindenberg and others, were essentially like the Republican Establishment of today: the corporate conservatives who valued a strong national military and traditional business/market conservatism. As faith in the Weimar constitution faded due to economic distress, the conservatives weren't worried about the Nazis - they saw them as allies against the communists, so they both collaborated to destroy them.

The Nazis referred to themselves "the workers party" because they wanted to absorb the political support that the communists lost. They wanted a coalition of right wing ethnic nationalists and they also wanted to help reassure the 'good' and 'hard working' people of Germany that they would not starve.

But here's another problem with labeling the Nazis as a "socialist" regime: you first have to have an operational definition of what "socialism" really means. Is it Soviet style communism? Because Nazi Germany most certainly was not that - they had fought against it for 20 years before WWII and fought it again during the final years of that conflict.

 

[progressive hunter]

Wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about.

If you understood anything about Weimar Germany in the 1920s, you'd understand that the Nazis were brutal, bitter enemies of the communists. The German conservatives, led by Hindenberg and others, were essentially like the Republican Establishment of today: the corporate conservatives who valued a strong national military and traditional business/market conservatism. As faith in the Weimar constitution faded due to economic distress, the conservatives weren't worried about the Nazis - they saw them as allies against the communists, so they both collaborated to destroy them.

The Nazis referred to themselves "the workers party" because they wanted to absorb the political support that the communists lost. They wanted a coalition of right wing ethnic nationalists and they also wanted to help reassure the 'good' and 'hard working' people of Germany that they would not starve.

But here's another problem with labeling the Nazis as a "socialist" regime: you first have to have an operational definition of what "socialism" really means. Is it Soviet style communism? Because Nazi Germany most certainly was not that - they had fought against it for 20 years before WWII and fought it again during the final years of that conflict.

socialist was in their name you stupid fuck,,,

Nazi Party - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Failzero]

Wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about.

If you understood anything about Weimar Germany in the 1920s, you'd understand that the Nazis were brutal, bitter enemies of the communists. The German conservatives, led by Hindenberg and others, were essentially like the Republican Establishment of today: the corporate conservatives who valued a strong national military and traditional business/market conservatism. As faith in the Weimar constitution faded due to economic distress, the conservatives weren't worried about the Nazis - they saw them as allies against the communists, so they both collaborated to destroy them.

The Nazis referred to themselves "the workers party" because they wanted to absorb the political support that the communists lost. They wanted a coalition of right wing ethnic nationalists and they also wanted to help reassure the 'good' and 'hard working' people of Germany that they would not starve.

But here's another problem with labeling the Nazis as a "socialist" regime: you first have to have an operational definition of what "socialism" really means. Is it Soviet style communism? Because Nazi Germany most certainly was not that - they had fought against it for 20 years before WWII and fought it again during the final years of that conflict.

Yes they hated Communists , but they Socialized most industries and declared themselves a Socialist Nationalist Government .

 

[multivita-man]

only because it refutes everything you think to be true,,

dont worry youre not the only useless idiot in the country,,

The idea that America was some wild experiment that had never been tried before is inaccurate.

Don't get me wrong, we were definitely trying out some new things that hadn't been tried out in a while, but it's not like we completely invented our own form of government.

British Parliament had slowly evolved from the 1300s until that time. The idea of a President instead of an Emperor or King? Yeah, that was indeed new. Republican form of government? Not new, but the specificity with which it was laid out? That was definitely innovative.

I'm not a hater, just pointing out that we had some blueprints to work with.

 

[progressive hunter]

The idea that America was some wild experiment that had never been tried before is inaccurate.

Don't get me wrong, we were definitely trying out some new things that hadn't been tried out in a while, but it's not like we completely invented our own form of government.

British Parliament had slowly evolved from the 1300s until that time. The idea of a President instead of an Emperor or King? Yeah, that was indeed new. Republican form of government? Not new, but the specificity with which it was laid out? That was definitely innovative.

I'm not a hater, just pointing out that we had some blueprints to work with.

a system was created that was never seen before in the history of mankind,,,

every other system was dictatorial in one way or another,,

you really are a fucking idiot,,

 

[multivita-man]

Yes they hated Communists , but they Socialized most industries and declared themselves a Socialist Nationalist Government .

Was Hitler a free-market capitalist? No, he was a state-capitalist -- somewhat similar to how modern China operates. The state encourages capital, but ultimately, capital has to serve the state. A statist form of capitalism is not Adam Smith's capitalism, we agree, but neither is it Marxism/socialism.

 

[multivita-man]

a system was created that was never seen before in the history of mankind,,,

every other system was dictatorial in one way or another,,

you really are a fucking idiot,,

No, looks like you need to read some history books, kid. Whatever you paid for your education, I would ask for a fucking refund because you got fucken defrauded, lol.

 

[progressive hunter]

No, looks like you need to read some history books, kid. Whatever you paid for your education, I would ask for a fucking refund because you got fucken defrauded, lol.

well since you just told me and did nothing to prove it you must be right,,, NOT!!

you didnt even know nazis were socialist,, not cool,,

 

[MagicMike]

Then why was the Right given to the People, and not just the Militia?

It wasn't.
The word "people" doesn't appear in the text until after the context of a well regulated militia has been established.

 

[multivita-man]

well since you just told me and did nothing to prove it you must be right,,, NOT!!

you didnt even know nazis were socialist,, not cool,,

That's because they weren't. You'd need to understand the meaning of the word socialist from the economic/political perspective to understand why.

Peasant, I suggest you come out of the darkness and do some reading about basic world history. Maybe one day you'll elevate yourself beyond being a simple peasant, lol.

 

[MagicMike]

liar liar pants on fire dick sticking in your ass,,,

to bad for you we have to founders own words that prove you wrong and me right,,,

no go back to whatever gay bath house you were at and leave the adults to discuss these issue,,

Are you trying to speak English here?

 

[progressive hunter]

That's because they weren't. You'd need to understand the meaning of the word socialist from the economic/political perspective to understand why.

Peasant, I suggest you come out of the darkness and do some reading about basic world history. Maybe one day you'll elevate yourself beyond being a simple peasant, lol.

every nazis ever says youre wrong and to stop speaking for them,,

 

[Lesh]

And a 5.56 or .223 does not have the power of a 12 gauge shotgun shell at the distance of a mass public shooting.

It has MORE penetrating power you idiot...and far greater number of shots available and a much quicker reload

 

[2aguy]

Wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about.

If you understood anything about Weimar Germany in the 1920s, you'd understand that the Nazis were brutal, bitter enemies of the communists. The German conservatives, led by Hindenberg and others, were essentially like the Republican Establishment of today: the corporate conservatives who valued a strong national military and traditional business/market conservatism. As faith in the Weimar constitution faded due to economic distress, the conservatives weren't worried about the Nazis - they saw them as allies against the communists, so they both collaborated to destroy them.

The Nazis referred to themselves "the workers party" because they wanted to absorb the political support that the communists lost. They wanted a coalition of right wing ethnic nationalists and they also wanted to help reassure the 'good' and 'hard working' people of Germany that they would not starve.

But here's another problem with labeling the Nazis as a "socialist" regime: you first have to have an operational definition of what "socialism" really means. Is it Soviet style communism? Because Nazi Germany most certainly was not that - they had fought against it for 20 years before WWII and fought it again during the final years of that conflict.

The national socialists and the communists were both socialists fighting for power and control.....

The stupid point .....nazis fought the communists therefore they arent really socialists is just lazy ....

Tell us that one drug cartel fighting another drug cartel means that the first drug cartel isnt really a drug cartel.....thats how dumb that argument is