50 years later: has government dependency helped or hurt blacks?

[Tank]

When the Europeans first came to Africa they found no kind of advanced civilization.

If fact they believed blacks to not fully be human, and today we can still see why.

 

[The Rabbi]

Thats actually true. However, you cant ignore you guys have a 400 year head start and the gap is closing fast.

no, we don't.

a big chunk of the white population in this country has had slaves as ancestors exactly the same time as you guys did - on ~50% of Europe slavery was abolished in THE SAME YEAR as in the US - 1861. Yet on the other 15-20% of Europe - in 1848.
But those descendants of slaves don't whine and don't blame nonexistent "psychological problems" on the conditions of more than 150 years ago.

That may be in large part because their family unit was not destroyed generation after generation after generation. But lets pretend it was and under the same conditions that Blacks in the US had to endure right? Lets also pretend indentured servant means slave even though the 2 are different as well.

Another fallacy. Black families did not start falling apart until the mid 1960s. In 1920 a 20 yr black man was more likely to be married than a 20 yr old white man.

 

[Asclepias]

When the Europeans first came to Africa they found no kind of advanced civilization.

If fact they believed blacks to not fully be human, and today we can still see why.

Keep believing that or educate yourself. Like I said I don't mind. Either way doesnt change that the fact is true.

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Should make you wonder how ignorant some of the other things you think are.

 

[Pheonixops]

and what all that has to do with W being exponentially better president than obabble?

How was he better when that was his end result?

it was not HIS end result. It was the result of Carter and Clinton policies, plus the democratic house and senate which supported the housing bubble and it's crash

So then using your logic, Obama's results are a reflection of the previous Administration's policies. Have you forgotten GW's 2004 speech on home ownership and what his Administration pushed through to achieve such a goal? What policies did the "Democratic" House and Senate submit to GW? Did he lose his veto pen?

 

[Vox]

You do realize the first university was in Afirca? Sub saharan Africa to be exact. Institutions of higher learning are the hallmark of advanced civilizations. Your kind were still clubbing women over the head during that time period.

why the heck don't you popularize this knowledge instead of constant complaining about imaginary " 400year gap"?

don't you think this knowledge will make the black youth proud and feeling worthy much more than the obnoxious gangsta "culture"?

 

[The T]

no, we don't.

a big chunk of the white population in this country has had slaves as ancestors exactly the same time as you guys did - on ~50% of Europe slavery was abolished in THE SAME YEAR as in the US - 1861. Yet on the other 15-20% of Europe - in 1848.
But those descendants of slaves don't whine and don't blame nonexistent "psychological problems" on the conditions of more than 150 years ago.

That may be in large part because their family unit was not destroyed generation after generation after generation. But lets pretend it was and under the same conditions that Blacks in the US had to endure right? Lets also pretend indentured servant means slave even though the 2 are different as well.

Another fallacy. Black families did not start falling apart until the mid 1960s. In 1920 a 20 yr black man was more likely to be married than a 20 yr old white man.

Indeed...BEFORE the Civil War...During, and after until the Statists started making false promises, and started their second generation of slavery. The black family was very strong.

Problem is? They drank the snake oil of their enemy...Liberal Democrat Statists. They placed the chains right back upon their wrists and ankles to the Statists delight.

 

[Vox]

How was he better when that was his end result?

it was not HIS end result. It was the result of Carter and Clinton policies, plus the democratic house and senate which supported the housing bubble and it's crash

So then using your logic, Obama's results are a reflection of the previous Administration's policies. Have you forgotten GW's 2004 speech on home ownership and what his Administration pushed through to achieve such a goal? What policies did the "Democratic" House and Senate submit to GW? Did he lose his veto pen?

no, his policies of mad spending are his results.

I did not take bush's policies out of the equation - I just named the ones which caused the crisis.

We were doing pretty well even with the war during the W years if not the housing bubble - which had absolutely nothing to do with him and his policies

 

[Asclepias]

You do realize the first university was in Afirca? Sub saharan Africa to be exact. Institutions of higher learning are the hallmark of advanced civilizations. Your kind were still clubbing women over the head during that time period.

why the heck don't you popularize this knowledge instead of constant complaining about imaginary " 400year gap"?

don't you think this knowledge will make the black youth proud and feeling worthy much more than the obnoxious gangsta "culture"?

I do pass this knowledge on to the kids I work with. However, like I have said before thats not enough but a step in the right direction.

 

[The T]

it was not HIS end result. It was the result of Carter and Clinton policies, plus the democratic house and senate which supported the housing bubble and it's crash

So then using your logic, Obama's results are a reflection of the previous Administration's policies. Have you forgotten GW's 2004 speech on home ownership and what his Administration pushed through to achieve such a goal? What policies did the "Democratic" House and Senate submit to GW? Did he lose his veto pen?

no, his policies of mad spending are his results.

I did not take bush's policies out of the equation - I just named the ones which caused the crisis.

We were doing pretty well even with the war during the W years if not the housing bubble - which had absolutely nothing to do with him and his policies

Bushs' problem was 'Compassionate Conservatism', and no veto pen to be found...

 

[Asclepias]

no, we don't.

a big chunk of the white population in this country has had slaves as ancestors exactly the same time as you guys did - on ~50% of Europe slavery was abolished in THE SAME YEAR as in the US - 1861. Yet on the other 15-20% of Europe - in 1848.
But those descendants of slaves don't whine and don't blame nonexistent "psychological problems" on the conditions of more than 150 years ago.

That may be in large part because their family unit was not destroyed generation after generation after generation. But lets pretend it was and under the same conditions that Blacks in the US had to endure right? Lets also pretend indentured servant means slave even though the 2 are different as well.

Another fallacy. Black families did not start falling apart until the mid 1960s. In 1920 a 20 yr black man was more likely to be married than a 20 yr old white man.

See what happens when you start believing stats in a vacuum? How stable do you think your family unit would be if your wife and daughters couldnt even feel like you could protect them? Thats one of the cheif duties as the man of the home. It gets even deeper than that.

 

[Vox]

So then using your logic, Obama's results are a reflection of the previous Administration's policies. Have you forgotten GW's 2004 speech on home ownership and what his Administration pushed through to achieve such a goal? What policies did the "Democratic" House and Senate submit to GW? Did he lose his veto pen?

no, his policies of mad spending are his results.

I did not take bush's policies out of the equation - I just named the ones which caused the crisis.

We were doing pretty well even with the war during the W years if not the housing bubble - which had absolutely nothing to do with him and his policies

Bushs' problem was 'Compassionate Conservatism', and no veto pen to be found...

not exactly. he tried to restrain Fanny and Freddie but he did not have the votes in the Senate. The filibuster on the issue is well known. It was 2 years before the house of cards collapsed

 

[Asclepias]

In 1950 there were many colleges that would not accept a black (or Jews for that matter). There were many firms that would not hire a black.
By 1970 that was done. WHat firm today does not hire black people? What college does not accept blacks? None.
At what point do we say past discrimination is past? At what point do we stop perpetuating discimination on the basis of race? When do we get to ML King's standard of "judged by the character not the color"?

Did you really say that in 1970 that was done?
When the very situations you guys point to as indication of failure in the Black community no longer exist.

Yeah. By 1970 there was no legal discimination in hiring or school acceptance. Where have you been?

I guess those civil rights marches were not necessary then since the right to vote was given to free slaves back in the 1800's using that logic.

 

[Vox]

You do realize the first university was in Afirca? Sub saharan Africa to be exact. Institutions of higher learning are the hallmark of advanced civilizations. Your kind were still clubbing women over the head during that time period.

why the heck don't you popularize this knowledge instead of constant complaining about imaginary " 400year gap"?

don't you think this knowledge will make the black youth proud and feeling worthy much more than the obnoxious gangsta "culture"?

I do pass this knowledge on to the kids I work with. However, like I have said before thats not enough but a step in the right direction.

addressing "you" I did not mean only you personally.
but one voice is better than nothing.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Easy. THEY LIVE THEIR LIVES despite BIG GUBMINT telling them that they can't exist without GUBMINT...YOUR BANE son...As a cross to Dracula...

YOU had better wise up son...They LEAD by example. The way out for not only blacks, but for ALL people...hard work...determination, and telling Gubmint to get bent.

A bitter pill for you I know...

Like I said, they simply exist.

Which goes back to my original point because you cant read apparently.

There has NEVER been one single black person that fought for blacks that was embraced by whites WHILE BREATHING.

Did you understand that this time mad guy? Wanna change the subject again stupid?

The scathing RACISM PARADE just keeps going...and Going...And GOING...

Please continue?

Smells like victory! Concession noted...run along

 

[Asclepias]

why the heck don't you popularize this knowledge instead of constant complaining about imaginary " 400year gap"?

don't you think this knowledge will make the black youth proud and feeling worthy much more than the obnoxious gangsta "culture"?

I do pass this knowledge on to the kids I work with. However, like I have said before thats not enough but a step in the right direction.

addressing "you" I did not mean only you personally.
but one voice is better than nothing.

I'm not the only one. However just telling somebody that does nothing really. It has to be put into perspective along with other education. Healing from psychological damage passed on from generation to generation takes time and the building of relationships so you have permission to lead.

 

[ClosedCaption]

50 years ago Martin Luther King shared his dream of a nation where black and whites would seamlessly interweave in making a larger and better American fabric; where skin color was irrelevant.

That is perfectly in line with the American ideal: come here with an idea, with a talent, with a skill, with a mission and nurture it and tend to it until it blossoms.

Instead we heard yesterday blacks need more government programs and support

Was MLK's vision the path that's been followed, or is that the road not taken?

MLK supported AA programs. Don't go being stupid

Four years later King's words in the 1967 tract "Where Do We Go From Here" were even clearer on the subject: "A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him."

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Will that change the way you feel about MLK? Yes it will but in order to keep lying to yourself you have to unsee what I just posted

Bullshit.
Dr King promoted self reliance.
Here are some of his most famous quotes.
There are references to self reliance all over the place.
Martin Luther King, Jr. Quotes - BrainyQuote

Thanks for not addressing what King said to quote what...King said also.

 

[The T]

Did you really say that in 1970 that was done?
When the very situations you guys point to as indication of failure in the Black community no longer exist.

Yeah. By 1970 there was no legal discimination in hiring or school acceptance. Where have you been?

I guess those civil rights marches were not necessary then since the right to vote was given to free slaves back in the 1800's using that logic.

And those marches, as well as Civil Rights were opposed by WHOM? DEMOCRATS...SAME as in that war and AFTER IT...ODD isn't it?

And NOW they claim the mantle...but YET tell the same folks they are NOTHING without them or their guidance.

WELCOME to their NEW slavery...Does History usually escape you? Or are you one that belives and revises like YOU have done here?

YOU were saying?

 

[Vox]

I do pass this knowledge on to the kids I work with. However, like I have said before thats not enough but a step in the right direction.

addressing "you" I did not mean only you personally.
but one voice is better than nothing.

I'm not the only one. However just telling somebody that does nothing really. It has to be put into perspective along with other education. Healing from psychological damage passed on from generation to generation takes time and the building of relationships so you have permission to lead.

there IS NO PSYCHOLOGICAL DAMAGE if you do not infiltrate it into the kids.

YOU do this, do you understand? So STOP and it is GONE instantaneously.

the ones directly affected were damaged - everyone born afterwards WAS NOT and if they were - that is because the constant INDOCTRINATION with victimhood mentality and entitlement attitude.
THIS what is holding you back - and nothing else.

since the 70s there is not even the smallest reason for black people not to succeed - not even one - from outside - you can blame lack of success on the own community only.

Government dependency and victimhood mentality - those two reasons are the ones which prevent success.

NOTHING ELSE.

there are no psychological problems if you do not perpetuate them yourself.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Did you really say that in 1970 that was done?
When the very situations you guys point to as indication of failure in the Black community no longer exist.

failure in your community is solely your community's fault.

oh, and whiner enablers of that failure - like you.

Thats actually true. However, you cant ignore you guys have a 400 year head start and the gap is closing fast.

"the gap is closing fast"..
So why all of the complaining?

 

[The Rabbi]

Did you really say that in 1970 that was done?
When the very situations you guys point to as indication of failure in the Black community no longer exist.

Yeah. By 1970 there was no legal discimination in hiring or school acceptance. Where have you been?

I guess those civil rights marches were not necessary then since the right to vote was given to free slaves back in the 1800's using that logic.

You mean the ones prior to 1970?