51% Of American Muslims Want Sharia... (NOT in All Caps Now..)

[Mac1958]

And again.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Mac once more proves my point.

 

[NYcarbineer]

---------------------------- Christian derived law is a heck of a lot better that Islamic shariah derived law . And you or your kids may find that out sometime in the future Carbineer .

We're a secular nation.

Yep.

Duh Donuld notwithstanding, a particular religion will never be banned in the US.

Eat your hearts out fascist trumpkins.


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I don't care for Trump, but you do remember 9/11, the worst ever attack on American soil perpetrated by anyone, was perpetrated by Islamic neofacistism? Oh, Not all muslims are the same? Oh, how do we go about proving that? We are just supposed to be as naïve as we were on 9/10/01?

You can prove it by noting that 19 Muslims carried out the 9/11 attacks,

and 2 billion didn't.

And less than 20% of Germans identified with the Nazi party at the HEIGHT of it's popularity. And your point is?

There are over 40 Islamic terror orgs listed by the Government. And your problems are

A) They range in location all over the globe, not in a single country the size of Germany.

B) There is a rate among Muslim countries of about 15% Condoning or agreeing with radical Muslim causes. Since you're a leftist -- I'll do the math.. 2.5B * 0.15 = 375 MILLION adherents. Where does that rank on the list of countries by population?

C) You have at least 3 monied Arab states that charter these groups and fund them and direct them as their own proxy armies. Doing their dirty bidding in about 10 current hot zones of killing and destruction..

D) Our policies in the Mid-East from Reagan to Obama have made the situation MUCH worse. Most of those latter years from 1990 on -- we were bombing about 4 Arab countries a year. Or holding the keys to the Iraqi economy for 10 years and bombing them almost daily. And NOW -- there are gaping ruins all over that area that are breeding grounds for the 40+ Terrorist Orgs that want to kill us. We let the ISIS leadership out of OUR jails in Iraq. And we literally gave them their heavy equipment and arms that we left in Iraq.. It is a story of MONUMENTAL stupid foreign policy that never got better with the next Admin..

YOU -- because you are a leftist and can't see the threat -- grab at anything to MINIMIZE this threat. You can't help it because your sense of self-preservation has been bred right the fuck out of your soul. So don't be surprised when you aggravate people by dumbly trying to minimize or dismiss the threat.

Stop farting around with trying to downplay this -- it just doesn't fly and it's not going away..

You obviously don't know what my beliefs are, which would be a very good reason for you to stop making them up.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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I never have to name the Regressive Left by name, they're always more than willing to jump in and self-identify for me.


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No, you won't name them because you're a coward who doesn't want to debate your accusations directly with the people you're accusing.

 

[Dot Com]

So why are we importing the tool of our own nation's demise?

Welcome to Obama's 'Fundamental Change'! Unfortunately there are a LOT of Americans (Liberals) whose light hasn't come on yet.

Obama admittedly was / has:

- Sired by an Anti-American, anti-colonialist father who wanted the US eliminated as a world power and influence...

- Tutored by Communist Frank Marshall Davis...

- Studied Socialist Saul Alinsky - even quoted him during an Inauguration speech

- Mentored for decades by a hate-spewing racist anti-American 'pastor',

- Friends with a domestic terrorist who bombed his own country and killed cops

- Declared he would stand with Muslims if the political winds blow ugly

- Declared the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam (Convert to Islam or die, as in no future for YOU...sound familiar)

- Armed the terrorist group the Muslim Brotherhood

- Armed Al Qaeda

- Dragged the US into the middle of a civil war between a dictator we put into power - WHO WAS JUST BEGINNING TO HELP US COMBAT TERRORISTS IN NTHRN AFRCIA - and Al Qaeida, perpetrators of 9/11/01 and 9/11/12, to help Al Qaeida kill Qadaffi and take over their own nation as a safe haven....all this at a time when Obama was declaring Al Qaeida was on the run!

- Supplied, Armed, Trained, & Protected ISIS, dropped leaflets to them, after the Paris attack, to warn them that French and Russian bombers were coming to drop bombs on the ISIS Black Market oil facilities Obama was protecting that funded 50% of their terrorist activities - to include the Paris attack (can you say 'aiding and abetting the enemy'?!)

- Mocked Americans over their concerns for our national security and their safety, even after he admitted his 'vetting process' was virtually non-existent - claiming all they had to fear after the Paris attacks were 'widows and orphans' - only to have the terrorist to whom his administration gave a visa murder 12 Americans in California

Obama has sacrificed American lives for his personal political benefit / re-election. He has defended Islam by blaming a video for the needless murder of 4 Americans, by calling a terrorist attack a case of 'workplace violence', by sending out his AG to threaten Americans with punishment if they exercised their right to Free Speech, by having his DHS openly declare Conservatives (who he called his 'enemies' and whom he used his IRS to target) greater threats than Islamic extremists, & has lectured the very same Americans he has bullied and vilified who are being targeted by Radical Islamists.


Obama has failed to protect Iraq, a nation our nation's soldiers had liberated at great cost, by allowing ISIS to freely enter Iraq without opposition, while he supplied/armed/trained/protected them and called them a 'JV Team'.



Despite admitting his vetting process is virtually non-existent...

Despite his FBI already spread beyond the breaking point investigating 1,000 cases involving ISIS threats in the US...

Despite ISIS declaring they are going to infiltrate the refugees...

Despite his CIA warning ISIS IS infiltrating the 'refugees' coming in...

Despite more successful terrorist attacks having been carried out under his administration than any in our nation's history...

Despite the American body count directly tied to his policies and actions Obama CONTINUES to bring in hundreds of un-vetted Muslims from a civil war-torn nation - a war between terrorists Obama has supported and a dictator - that is the home base for ISIS!


Arizona, Tennessee, Texas, California, Benghazi, Florida...while the bodies keep piling up Obama's DHS is declaring the enemy is AMERICANS and works to 'ban' the words 'Jihad' and 'Sharia' as Obama refuses to say the words 'Radical Islam' and 'Islamic extremists' because 'it means we are at war with all of Islam'.


Why is he still President? Nothing to see here...move along.


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[Redfish]

Now you, Turzovka, engage in a fallacy of false assertions and continue out right false witnesses. You have every right to propose laws, but they must fit with the Constitution. Your foes, most of whom are Christian, tell you that you cannot rule by the Bible. Majority rules when it is Constitutional. That is your issue: we live in a republic not a democracy.

Redfish is hooked again and gasping for air.

minority rights were established by majority votes. you are wrong, the majority does rule

 

[Seawytch]

99% of RWnuts think America is a Christian nation, and want the laws to be adjusted accordingly...

...aka the Christian version of Sharia.

You are out of your mind, providing there was one to begin with.

99% of the conservative Christians on this board defended Kim Davis when she tried to use her religion to assert a right to circumvent the Constitution.

That is how it goes with those people.

Businesses have a right to refuse business to anyone for any reason. That's not circumventing the constitution, that's you apparently not knowing what Constitutional rights are. Nobody has a right to force a business to serve them. If they refuse you, go to their competitor.

You are ignorant on the subject. Businesses cannot refuse to serve anyone for any reason.

That can, so long as they aren't owned by the government. In some cases, they're not allowed to tell you what that reason is, but they ARE allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason. They usually don't, because they'd lose customers to their competitors, but they're allowed.

No, they can't...and haven't been able to since the 1960s. Title II of the Civil Rights Act. Oh, and it's been challenged all the way to the SCOTUS. Can you guess the final ruling? Public Accommodation laws, which say you can't refuse service to anyone for any reason, are constitutional.

 

[Seawytch]

Do you know what is sharia?

The Bible called for genocide.

I thought you were a Christian, you don't know the difference between the old and new Testament and what that's supposed to mean to Christians, Jake? I'm not a Christian and I know that.

Anyway, we have Millions of Muslims doing that today and no Christians. And you don't see the difference?

I am not concerned what a shallow thinker like you perceives, other than to make sure your shallowness is noted.

I read the writings of Father Abraham in the three great religions regularly. I understand them; they are no mystery.

That you don’t get it is obvious.

It's funny how you repeatedly can't address the points made by a "shallow thinker" like me. But a good question to ask in church this week would be the difference between the old and new testaments. Hint, they aren't the same to Christians ...

I thought is was all god's word, no?

So what you are saying then is that the old testament is bullshit to be ignored by christians --- even though it MAY BE god's word --- and the new testament is the real stuff?

It's like everyone who hates Christians reads from the same handbook. No, the old Testament was rules for Jews, as they were selected as God's people for spreading "the word", when they began bringing the word to the Gentiles and the final sacrifice was made, God made a new covenant. Christians do not follow Moses' law, because they're not Jews. Nothing about the Old Testament is 'BS', the rules are just no longer followed because of Christ's sacrifice.

So why include the OT if none of the rules put forth in it are followed? And if what you say is true, what does this mean?

“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)

Another quick question since we're on the subject, Leviticus lists a whole bunch of incestuous relationships that are to be avoided. Since there is no NT reference, are these things okay now?

6 “None of you shall approach any one of his close relatives to uncover nakedness. I am the Lord. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother; she is your mother, you shall not uncover her nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife; it is your father’s nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your sister, your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether brought up in the family or in another home. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your daughter-in-law; she is your son’s wife, you shall not uncover her nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother’s wife; it is your brother’s nakedness. rival wife to her sister, uncovering her nakedness while her sister is still alive.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Now you, Turzovka, engage in a fallacy of false assertions and continue out right false witnesses. You have every right to propose laws, but they must fit with the Constitution. Your foes, most of whom are Christian, tell you that you cannot rule by the Bible. Majority rules when it is Constitutional. That is your issue: we live in a republic not a democracy.

Redfish is hooked again and gasping for air.

minority rights were established by majority votes. you are wrong, the majority does rule

Only through an amendment or if SCOTUS agrees. The way it is, skippy.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The true Christian protects in America the Muslims' civil liberties.

 

[JakeStarkey]

A christians always needed to be reminded they walk the higher road, even if the reminder is from an antiGodist.

And the antiGodist needs to be reminded he is outnumbered by 25 to 1.

 

[turzovka]

A christians always needed to be reminded they walk the higher road, even if the reminder is from an antiGodist.

And the antiGodist needs to be reminded he is outnumbered by 25 to 1.

I’m ok with that about we being more on the hook.

I’m ok with having to follow supreme court rulings, but they could make allowances, since it happens all time in other areas.

The other guy was spelling out matters in the OT that Christianity now avoids, yet uses other pieces of the OT to make their cases. All true. But how the OT works in our Christian faith is not well understood by almost anyone, probably by divine providence. But our faith is an unfolding of certain doctrines and revelations. That is why Jesus Christ established the one true Church in Matthew 16 to be heaven’s authority on earth. The Catholic Church. Despite all their sins, their teachings remain the right path.

 

[Kristian]

Sharia laws in good for me to but American mouslem aren't good for me.

 

[Kristian]

But our faith is an unfolding of certain doctrines and revelations. That is why Jesus Christ established the one true Church in Matthew 16 to be heaven’s authority on earth.

I have no faifh on our Goden Moses but I like Christianity much more than Islam.
And their Goden Allah how dislike United States.
Allah has good feelings about WTC attack by sucide mouslems.

 

[Kristian]

A christians always needed to be reminded they walk the higher road, even if the reminder is from an antiGodist.

And the antiGodist needs to be reminded he is outnumbered by 25 to 1.

Catholics and Allah are Anti Moses.

 

[Kristian]

All religion outside Protestant and Lutheran have stomach feelings. They are disapointed. Maybe not Jews how are real religion with whites.

 

[JakeStarkey]

A christians always needed to be reminded they walk the higher road, even if the reminder is from an antiGodist.

And the antiGodist needs to be reminded he is outnumbered by 25 to 1.

I’m ok with that about we being more on the hook.

I’m ok with having to follow supreme court rulings, but they could make allowances, since it happens all time in other areas.

The other guy was spelling out matters in the OT that Christianity now avoids, yet uses other pieces of the OT to make their cases. All true. But how the OT works in our Christian faith is not well understood by almost anyone, probably by divine providence. But our faith is an unfolding of certain doctrines and revelations. That is why Jesus Christ established the one true Church in Matthew 16 to be heaven’s authority on earth. The Catholic Church. Despite all their sins, their teachings remain the right path.

So you believe.

And a thousand other denominations disagree with you.

John Wesley had the right idea, imo, when he said, "Give me fellowship in Christ and I give you my right hand of fellowship," or words to that effect. Except for Quakers.

We all our flawed.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

You are out of your mind, providing there was one to begin with.

99% of the conservative Christians on this board defended Kim Davis when she tried to use her religion to assert a right to circumvent the Constitution.

That is how it goes with those people.

Businesses have a right to refuse business to anyone for any reason. That's not circumventing the constitution, that's you apparently not knowing what Constitutional rights are. Nobody has a right to force a business to serve them. If they refuse you, go to their competitor.

You are ignorant on the subject. Businesses cannot refuse to serve anyone for any reason.

That can, so long as they aren't owned by the government. In some cases, they're not allowed to tell you what that reason is, but they ARE allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason. They usually don't, because they'd lose customers to their competitors, but they're allowed.

No, they can't...and haven't been able to since the 1960s. Title II of the Civil Rights Act. Oh, and it's been challenged all the way to the SCOTUS. Can you guess the final ruling? Public Accommodation laws, which say you can't refuse service to anyone for any reason, are constitutional.

Oh, that's cute, you think you know things. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 prevents discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin. If you don't tell them your reason to deny the service, then yes, you can deny service for ALL of those reasons. The right of public accommodation is also guaranteed to disabled citizens under the Americans with Disabilities Act, which prohibits discrimination by private businesses based on disability, but again, you can deny service for those reasons, too, as long as it's not stated and it isn't store policy. The refusal just can't be arbitrary, and you can't just apply it to one group of people, and there must be a reason. As stated before, you don't have a right to force people to serve you.

This site explains it well enough.

 

[Agit8r]

So why are we importing the tool of our own nation's demise?

Welcome to Obama's 'Fundamental Change'! Unfortunately there are a LOT of Americans (Liberals) whose light hasn't come on yet.

Obama admittedly was / has:

- Sired by an Anti-American, anti-colonialist father who wanted the US eliminated as a world power and influence...

- Tutored by Communist Frank Marshall Davis...

- Studied Socialist Saul Alinsky - even quoted him during an Inauguration speech

- Mentored for decades by a hate-spewing racist anti-American 'pastor',

- Friends with a domestic terrorist who bombed his own country and killed cops

- Declared he would stand with Muslims if the political winds blow ugly

- Declared the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam (Convert to Islam or die, as in no future for YOU...sound familiar)

- Armed the terrorist group the Muslim Brotherhood

- Armed Al Qaeda

- Dragged the US into the middle of a civil war between a dictator we put into power - WHO WAS JUST BEGINNING TO HELP US COMBAT TERRORISTS IN NTHRN AFRCIA - and Al Qaeida, perpetrators of 9/11/01 and 9/11/12, to help Al Qaeida kill Qadaffi and take over their own nation as a safe haven....all this at a time when Obama was declaring Al Qaeida was on the run!

- Supplied, Armed, Trained, & Protected ISIS, dropped leaflets to them, after the Paris attack, to warn them that French and Russian bombers were coming to drop bombs on the ISIS Black Market oil facilities Obama was protecting that funded 50% of their terrorist activities - to include the Paris attack (can you say 'aiding and abetting the enemy'?!)

- Mocked Americans over their concerns for our national security and their safety, even after he admitted his 'vetting process' was virtually non-existent - claiming all they had to fear after the Paris attacks were 'widows and orphans' - only to have the terrorist to whom his administration gave a visa murder 12 Americans in California

Obama has sacrificed American lives for his personal political benefit / re-election. He has defended Islam by blaming a video for the needless murder of 4 Americans, by calling a terrorist attack a case of 'workplace violence', by sending out his AG to threaten Americans with punishment if they exercised their right to Free Speech, by having his DHS openly declare Conservatives (who he called his 'enemies' and whom he used his IRS to target) greater threats than Islamic extremists, & has lectured the very same Americans he has bullied and vilified who are being targeted by Radical Islamists.


Obama has failed to protect Iraq, a nation our nation's soldiers had liberated at great cost, by allowing ISIS to freely enter Iraq without opposition, while he supplied/armed/trained/protected them and called them a 'JV Team'.



Despite admitting his vetting process is virtually non-existent...

Despite his FBI already spread beyond the breaking point investigating 1,000 cases involving ISIS threats in the US...

Despite ISIS declaring they are going to infiltrate the refugees...

Despite his CIA warning ISIS IS infiltrating the 'refugees' coming in...

Despite more successful terrorist attacks having been carried out under his administration than any in our nation's history...

Despite the American body count directly tied to his policies and actions Obama CONTINUES to bring in hundreds of un-vetted Muslims from a civil war-torn nation - a war between terrorists Obama has supported and a dictator - that is the home base for ISIS!


Arizona, Tennessee, Texas, California, Benghazi, Florida...while the bodies keep piling up Obama's DHS is declaring the enemy is AMERICANS and works to 'ban' the words 'Jihad' and 'Sharia' as Obama refuses to say the words 'Radical Islam' and 'Islamic extremists' because 'it means we are at war with all of Islam'.


Why is he still President? Nothing to see here...move along.


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[JakeStarkey]

Sure, Pumpkin Row, Deny me service and I will ask you your reason. If you refuse to answer, I will call a policeman and file a public complaint against you. Then I will sue you.