6 dead , 3 wounded - guns make you safer ?

[OldLady]

So what?

Okay. I guess I've got your number.

People die every second of every day

Why don't you tell me how I am responsible for all the people who commit crimes with guns simple because I happen to own some?

Perhaps truly responsible people don't choose to own and use devices designed to take life as quickly and efficiently as possible.

one who has not committed a crime is not responsible for the crimes other people commit.

Were you accused of a crime you didn`t commit or are you paranoid. Paranoia is a recognized symptom of mental disease so perhaps you shouldn`t be allowed to play with guns at all.

Get back to me when you can follow the conversations about guns on this board

There are those here who think that a law abiding gun owner is responsible for crimes committed by others with guns for no other reason than that he owns guns

Responsibility includes making decisions that make their world safer, not more dangerous.

 

[Rustic]

In country's with proper gun control stabbings make up for it. What country would that be? Clean the cesspool of London before you worry about America.

There is no country in the world where the number of death by stabbing comes close to the number of people killed or seriously injured with guns. You go batshit crazy if one person is killed by an illegal immigrant, but 34,000 die in gun violence every with nary a whisper of complaint from you fools.

People have a much better chance of suviving a stabbing than a shooting. It's also harder to do. Very personal.

We have much larger fish to fry, and suicides don’t count.
BTW You really should mind your own business... lol

 

[August West]

So what?

Okay. I guess I've got your number.

People die every second of every day

Why don't you tell me how I am responsible for all the people who commit crimes with guns simple because I happen to own some?

Perhaps truly responsible people don't choose to own and use devices designed to take life as quickly and efficiently as possible.

one who has not committed a crime is not responsible for the crimes other people commit.

Were you accused of a crime you didn`t commit or are you paranoid. Paranoia is a recognized symptom of mental disease so perhaps you shouldn`t be allowed to play with guns at all.

Get back to me when you can follow the conversations about guns on this board

There are those here who think that a law abiding gun owner is responsible for crimes committed by others with guns for no other reason than that he owns guns

Everyone behind bars was a law abiding citizen at one time. Try a new argument.

 

[OldLady]

While y'all were arguing about how safe guns make us, a 22 year old was taking out fellow students in a classroom at the University of North Carolina.

It hasn't even been a week, people, since the synagogue shooting. It seems it didn't even make enough news last evening to register with anyone. Nothing under ten dead probably makes the headlines anymore.

We are a sick nation.


People gather across from the campus of the University of North Carolina at Charlotte after a shooting at the school on Tuesday. Two people died and another four were wounded, three critically, after a shooting at the University of North Carolina's Charlotte campus on Tuesday.10 hours ago
2 Dead And 4 Injured In Shooting At University Of North Carolina - NPR

https://www.npr.org/.../2-dead-and-4-injured-in-shooting-at-university-of-north-carolina...

22 year old kid. Family apparently had no inkling what was up with him. I have found no updates on the condition of the three who were critically wounded.

 

[Blues Man]

People die every second of every day

Why don't you tell me how I am responsible for all the people who commit crimes with guns simple because I happen to own some?

Perhaps truly responsible people don't choose to own and use devices designed to take life as quickly and efficiently as possible.

one who has not committed a crime is not responsible for the crimes other people commit.

Were you accused of a crime you didn`t commit or are you paranoid. Paranoia is a recognized symptom of mental disease so perhaps you shouldn`t be allowed to play with guns at all.

Get back to me when you can follow the conversations about guns on this board

There are those here who think that a law abiding gun owner is responsible for crimes committed by others with guns for no other reason than that he owns guns

Responsibility includes making decisions that make their world safer, not more dangerous.

The fact that I own guns makes no one else's world more dangerous.

 

[Papageorgio]

Yep, however it is not nearly as strict as any in the UK. Why do you suppose murder is so rampant in Britain?

Britain's murder rate is 12 murders per million of population.

The American homicide rate is 4.9 per 100,000, which would be 49 per million, or more than four times the murder rate in the USA.

Homicide in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

us homicide rate 2018 - Google Search

Homicide is a crime of young males.

Canada girl, I was comparing Wales and London to NYC. The UK has stricter gun laws than NYC. Thank you for playing though. Have a cookie.

Well firstly you havent proven anything. Your article is for England and Wales not London and Wales. And Wales has no issues with homicides. And London is the worst in the UK. Why dont you compare it to the worst in the US ?

Overall the UK and all of Western Europe is a lot safer than the US - mainly because of your crazy gun laws.

Your opinion matters nothing in my country. I don’t care for people that have no stake in my country butting in. I don’t give a damn what you and your country do, it isn’t my business.

Wales and England had three times the number of homicides than NYC and your gun laws didn’t stop one murder.

They obviously did because our murder rates are a fraction of yours.

Then why did your homicides increase after they banned guns in Britain?

 

[Blues Man]

People die every second of every day

Why don't you tell me how I am responsible for all the people who commit crimes with guns simple because I happen to own some?

Perhaps truly responsible people don't choose to own and use devices designed to take life as quickly and efficiently as possible.

one who has not committed a crime is not responsible for the crimes other people commit.

Were you accused of a crime you didn`t commit or are you paranoid. Paranoia is a recognized symptom of mental disease so perhaps you shouldn`t be allowed to play with guns at all.

Get back to me when you can follow the conversations about guns on this board

There are those here who think that a law abiding gun owner is responsible for crimes committed by others with guns for no other reason than that he owns guns

Everyone behind bars was a law abiding citizen at one time. Try a new argument.

So I should treat you like a criminal because you are no doubt going to be guilty of a crime someday?

 

[Rustic]

TBI Investigating Seven Related Homicides, Officer-Involved Shooting in Sumner County
This looks like a domestic situation. In countries with proper gun control a row leads to a few doors getting slammed and a night in the pub. At least only one child was slaughtered this time.

Another I many dumb posts by Denard. I a retired Leo and I would rather law abiding citizens own and be able to carry. Your too stupid to get it. Criminals will always have guns. Our country is not the same make up as these other countries. I don’t wish bad on anyone but maybe if a carjacking, robbery or home invasion happened in your family you would change your mind very quickly. How come it’s ok for politicians to have armed guards and Hollywood to have armed security but law abiding citizens can’t. You live in a fantasy world. I live in the real world. Know what’s out there and what can happen. You read an article and think you know everything. You have no common sense. Neither does the liberals entire party.


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But having guns makes you less safe. Its a fact.

No it is not a fact.

My guns make me much safer that is a fact.

You are simply ignorant

You would be safer in the Uk away from your crazy gun culture. That is a fact.

Lol
Na, not really
Progressive controlled urban areas or a playground this country, along with Repeat offenders distort the numbers.
So shut the fuck up you fat tub of shit

 

[Rustic]

While y'all were arguing about how safe guns make us, a 22 year old was taking out fellow students in a classroom at the University of North Carolina.

It hasn't even been a week, people, since the synagogue shooting. It seems it didn't even make enough news last evening to register with anyone. Nothing under ten dead probably makes the headlines anymore.

We are a sick nation.


People gather across from the campus of the University of North Carolina at Charlotte after a shooting at the school on Tuesday. Two people died and another four were wounded, three critically, after a shooting at the University of North Carolina's Charlotte campus on Tuesday.10 hours ago
2 Dead And 4 Injured In Shooting At University Of North Carolina - NPR

https://www.npr.org/.../2-dead-and-4-injured-in-shooting-at-university-of-north-carolina...

Lol
No amount of frivolous gun control laws will save a single soul... fact

 

[OldLady]

Perhaps truly responsible people don't choose to own and use devices designed to take life as quickly and efficiently as possible.

one who has not committed a crime is not responsible for the crimes other people commit.

Were you accused of a crime you didn`t commit or are you paranoid. Paranoia is a recognized symptom of mental disease so perhaps you shouldn`t be allowed to play with guns at all.

Get back to me when you can follow the conversations about guns on this board

There are those here who think that a law abiding gun owner is responsible for crimes committed by others with guns for no other reason than that he owns guns

Responsibility includes making decisions that make their world safer, not more dangerous.

The fact that I own guns makes no one else's world more dangerous.

It does. It gives implicit approval to others that guns are socially acceptable. It makes guns for criminals to steal more readily available. It contributes to a society where everyone else thinks they too need a gun for self defense. Well, you've got one, so I'd better, too.

 

[Papageorgio]

one who has not committed a crime is not responsible for the crimes other people commit.

Were you accused of a crime you didn`t commit or are you paranoid. Paranoia is a recognized symptom of mental disease so perhaps you shouldn`t be allowed to play with guns at all.

Get back to me when you can follow the conversations about guns on this board

There are those here who think that a law abiding gun owner is responsible for crimes committed by others with guns for no other reason than that he owns guns

Responsibility includes making decisions that make their world safer, not more dangerous.

The fact that I own guns makes no one else's world more dangerous.

It does. It gives implicit approval to others that guns are socially acceptable. It makes guns for criminals to steal more readily available. It contributes to a society where everyone else thinks they too need a gun for self defense. Well, you've got one, so I'd better, too.

I disagree, I don’t own a gun, never have been inclined to, however I support the right for a person to chose to have a gun or not, just as I have chosen.

 

[Blues Man]

one who has not committed a crime is not responsible for the crimes other people commit.

Were you accused of a crime you didn`t commit or are you paranoid. Paranoia is a recognized symptom of mental disease so perhaps you shouldn`t be allowed to play with guns at all.

Get back to me when you can follow the conversations about guns on this board

There are those here who think that a law abiding gun owner is responsible for crimes committed by others with guns for no other reason than that he owns guns

Responsibility includes making decisions that make their world safer, not more dangerous.

The fact that I own guns makes no one else's world more dangerous.

It does. It gives implicit approval to others that guns are socially acceptable. It makes guns for criminals to steal more readily available. It contributes to a society where everyone else thinks they too need a gun for self defense. Well, you've got one, so I'd better, too.

So now I am responsible for what criminals steal? Guns are no less acceptable than any other item that can be used as a weapon. And since not everyone thinks they need a gun for self defense your reasoning falls apart.

And you wouldn't know if I own guns if we ever met. You wouldn't know I was carrying a concealed gun if we ever met. If you ever came to my home you would never know I owned guns and that there were guns on the premises because I don't advertise that I own guns.

I am not responsible for the crimes other people commit.

 

[hadit]

In country's with proper gun control stabbings make up for it. What country would that be? Clean the cesspool of London before you worry about America.

Your knife crime is worse than ours as well.

Which means that attempting to control weapons isn't the deciding factor.

 

[OldLady]

Were you accused of a crime you didn`t commit or are you paranoid. Paranoia is a recognized symptom of mental disease so perhaps you shouldn`t be allowed to play with guns at all.

Get back to me when you can follow the conversations about guns on this board

There are those here who think that a law abiding gun owner is responsible for crimes committed by others with guns for no other reason than that he owns guns

Responsibility includes making decisions that make their world safer, not more dangerous.

The fact that I own guns makes no one else's world more dangerous.

It does. It gives implicit approval to others that guns are socially acceptable. It makes guns for criminals to steal more readily available. It contributes to a society where everyone else thinks they too need a gun for self defense. Well, you've got one, so I'd better, too.

I disagree, I don’t own a gun, never have been inclined to, however I support the right for a person to chose to have a gun or not, just as I have chosen.

This is hard for me, because most of the people I know are gun owners, although they are quiet about it. Hunting, or a shotgun in the closet for those nasty moments like a rabid raccoon in the yard or to wave around if a druggie tries stealing your truck out of the driveway. I don't worry a bit about them owning a gun. But the majority of them, except for hunting, have never shot at anything and therefore don't need a gun at all. I think it would be a better and safer country if people just accepted that guns are, in the vast majority of cases, "overkill." Pardon my pun.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

While y'all were arguing about how safe guns make us, a 22 year old was taking out fellow students in a classroom at the University of North Carolina.

It hasn't even been a week, people, since the synagogue shooting. It seems it didn't even make enough news last evening to register with anyone. Nothing under ten dead probably makes the headlines anymore.

We are a sick nation.


People gather across from the campus of the University of North Carolina at Charlotte after a shooting at the school on Tuesday. Two people died and another four were wounded, three critically, after a shooting at the University of North Carolina's Charlotte campus on Tuesday.10 hours ago
2 Dead And 4 Injured In Shooting At University Of North Carolina - NPR

https://www.npr.org/.../2-dead-and-4-injured-in-shooting-at-university-of-north-carolina...

SO what?

I own guns and I am not responsible for the crimes of other people.
I own a car and I am not responsible for the reckless driving of other people
I own a lighter and cans of gasoline and I am not responsible for the arson other people commit

Do you get the drift yet or should I go on?

So what?

Okay. I guess I've got your number.

People die every second of every day

Why don't you tell me how I am responsible for all the people who commit crimes with guns simple because I happen to own some?

Perhaps truly responsible people don't choose to own and use devices designed to take life as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Like cars? They're not designed to take life but, in the hands of an irresponsible driver, they take life just as efficiently as a gun will nonetheless.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Get back to me when you can follow the conversations about guns on this board

There are those here who think that a law abiding gun owner is responsible for crimes committed by others with guns for no other reason than that he owns guns

Responsibility includes making decisions that make their world safer, not more dangerous.

The fact that I own guns makes no one else's world more dangerous.

It does. It gives implicit approval to others that guns are socially acceptable. It makes guns for criminals to steal more readily available. It contributes to a society where everyone else thinks they too need a gun for self defense. Well, you've got one, so I'd better, too.

I disagree, I don’t own a gun, never have been inclined to, however I support the right for a person to chose to have a gun or not, just as I have chosen.

This is hard for me, because most of the people I know are gun owners, although they are quiet about it. Hunting, or a shotgun in the closet for those nasty moments like a rabid raccoon in the yard or to wave around if a druggie tries stealing your truck out of the driveway. I don't worry a bit about them owning a gun. But the majority of them, except for hunting, have never shot at anything and therefore don't need a gun at all. I think it would be a better and safer country if people just accepted that guns are, in the vast majority of cases, "overkill." Pardon my pun.

Is it overkill when a person uses their gun to stop an intruder or attacker?

Police carry sidearms at all times while on duty for the twenty to thirty years of their career and most of them will tell you they've never had to pull it or fire at a suspect their entire career. Most of those who have will say they only had to do so two or three times. Most of them will also say they hope to never have to draw their weapon.
The same goes for civilian gun owners. I have a handgun myself and I hope like hell I never have to point it at someone and most legal and responsible gun owners will say the same.

The point is, a firearm may or may not be overkill sitting in the gun case but it most definitely is not overkill when you need it to protect your family.

 

[OldLady]

While y'all were arguing about how safe guns make us, a 22 year old was taking out fellow students in a classroom at the University of North Carolina.

It hasn't even been a week, people, since the synagogue shooting. It seems it didn't even make enough news last evening to register with anyone. Nothing under ten dead probably makes the headlines anymore.

We are a sick nation.


People gather across from the campus of the University of North Carolina at Charlotte after a shooting at the school on Tuesday. Two people died and another four were wounded, three critically, after a shooting at the University of North Carolina's Charlotte campus on Tuesday.10 hours ago
2 Dead And 4 Injured In Shooting At University Of North Carolina - NPR

https://www.npr.org/.../2-dead-and-4-injured-in-shooting-at-university-of-north-carolina...

SO what?

I own guns and I am not responsible for the crimes of other people.
I own a car and I am not responsible for the reckless driving of other people
I own a lighter and cans of gasoline and I am not responsible for the arson other people commit

Do you get the drift yet or should I go on?

So what?

Okay. I guess I've got your number.

People die every second of every day

Why don't you tell me how I am responsible for all the people who commit crimes with guns simple because I happen to own some?

Perhaps truly responsible people don't choose to own and use devices designed to take life as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Like cars? They're not designed to take life but, in the hands of an irresponsible driver, they take life just as efficiently as a gun will nonetheless.

The car comparison is stupid. Why don't we try iron fry pans? Carving knives.
I am talking about guns. Keep on track, please.

 

[OldLady]

Responsibility includes making decisions that make their world safer, not more dangerous.

The fact that I own guns makes no one else's world more dangerous.

It does. It gives implicit approval to others that guns are socially acceptable. It makes guns for criminals to steal more readily available. It contributes to a society where everyone else thinks they too need a gun for self defense. Well, you've got one, so I'd better, too.

I disagree, I don’t own a gun, never have been inclined to, however I support the right for a person to chose to have a gun or not, just as I have chosen.

This is hard for me, because most of the people I know are gun owners, although they are quiet about it. Hunting, or a shotgun in the closet for those nasty moments like a rabid raccoon in the yard or to wave around if a druggie tries stealing your truck out of the driveway. I don't worry a bit about them owning a gun. But the majority of them, except for hunting, have never shot at anything and therefore don't need a gun at all. I think it would be a better and safer country if people just accepted that guns are, in the vast majority of cases, "overkill." Pardon my pun.

Is it overkill when a person uses their gun to stop an intruder or attacker?

Police carry sidearms at all times while on duty for the twenty to thirty years of their career and most of them will tell you they've never had to pull it or fire at a suspect their entire career. Most of those who have will say they only had to do so two or three times. Most of them will also say they hope to never have to draw their weapon.
The same goes for civilian gun owners. I have a handgun myself and I hope like hell I never have to point it at someone and most legal and responsible gun owners will say the same.

The point is, a firearm may or may not be overkill sitting in the gun case but it most definitely is not overkill when you need it to protect your family.

I have a handgun myself and I hope like hell I never have to point it at someone
Yes, you have never needed it to protect your family. You swallowed the NRA "buy more guns" argument of why you should be afraid enough of life to need a gun. I hope you never have to point it at anyone either; most likely you won't.

 

[Papageorgio]

The fact that I own guns makes no one else's world more dangerous.

It does. It gives implicit approval to others that guns are socially acceptable. It makes guns for criminals to steal more readily available. It contributes to a society where everyone else thinks they too need a gun for self defense. Well, you've got one, so I'd better, too.

I disagree, I don’t own a gun, never have been inclined to, however I support the right for a person to chose to have a gun or not, just as I have chosen.

This is hard for me, because most of the people I know are gun owners, although they are quiet about it. Hunting, or a shotgun in the closet for those nasty moments like a rabid raccoon in the yard or to wave around if a druggie tries stealing your truck out of the driveway. I don't worry a bit about them owning a gun. But the majority of them, except for hunting, have never shot at anything and therefore don't need a gun at all. I think it would be a better and safer country if people just accepted that guns are, in the vast majority of cases, "overkill." Pardon my pun.

Is it overkill when a person uses their gun to stop an intruder or attacker?

Police carry sidearms at all times while on duty for the twenty to thirty years of their career and most of them will tell you they've never had to pull it or fire at a suspect their entire career. Most of those who have will say they only had to do so two or three times. Most of them will also say they hope to never have to draw their weapon.
The same goes for civilian gun owners. I have a handgun myself and I hope like hell I never have to point it at someone and most legal and responsible gun owners will say the same.

The point is, a firearm may or may not be overkill sitting in the gun case but it most definitely is not overkill when you need it to protect your family.

I have a handgun myself and I hope like hell I never have to point it at someone
Yes, you have never needed it to protect your family. You swallowed the NRA "buy more guns" argument of why you should be afraid enough of life to need a gun. I hope you never have to point it at anyone either; most likely you won't.

So are you ready to give the government your gun if they ask for it?

 

[OldLady]

It does. It gives implicit approval to others that guns are socially acceptable. It makes guns for criminals to steal more readily available. It contributes to a society where everyone else thinks they too need a gun for self defense. Well, you've got one, so I'd better, too.

I disagree, I don’t own a gun, never have been inclined to, however I support the right for a person to chose to have a gun or not, just as I have chosen.

This is hard for me, because most of the people I know are gun owners, although they are quiet about it. Hunting, or a shotgun in the closet for those nasty moments like a rabid raccoon in the yard or to wave around if a druggie tries stealing your truck out of the driveway. I don't worry a bit about them owning a gun. But the majority of them, except for hunting, have never shot at anything and therefore don't need a gun at all. I think it would be a better and safer country if people just accepted that guns are, in the vast majority of cases, "overkill." Pardon my pun.

Is it overkill when a person uses their gun to stop an intruder or attacker?

Police carry sidearms at all times while on duty for the twenty to thirty years of their career and most of them will tell you they've never had to pull it or fire at a suspect their entire career. Most of those who have will say they only had to do so two or three times. Most of them will also say they hope to never have to draw their weapon.
The same goes for civilian gun owners. I have a handgun myself and I hope like hell I never have to point it at someone and most legal and responsible gun owners will say the same.

The point is, a firearm may or may not be overkill sitting in the gun case but it most definitely is not overkill when you need it to protect your family.

I have a handgun myself and I hope like hell I never have to point it at someone
Yes, you have never needed it to protect your family. You swallowed the NRA "buy more guns" argument of why you should be afraid enough of life to need a gun. I hope you never have to point it at anyone either; most likely you won't.

So are you ready to give the government your gun if they ask for it?

I wouldn't own one or have one in my house if you paid me.