60 Percent Of Americans Soon Will Live In States With Marriage Equality

[Judicial review]

Keep on underplaying this guys. After all they are only children.. Right?

 

[Seawytch]

Visualize this - a young boy in middle school already gets bullied because his parents choose to marry a same sex partner and then the bullies find out his parents separated, and the bullied kid has all of that to deal with along with not knowing who his biological parents are, and thinking they didn't want him, while seeing the majority of the other kids with a male and female parents.

1 question - What do you think the kid will do while under all that emotions and scrutiny? I think you know what I'm referring to. Heck take out the divorce and you still get the same outcome. Put yourself in the kids shoes. Kids are innocent and don't have the backbone of an adult that's been through nearly this much.

Are you seriously trying the "gays can't get married because they might divorce" angle? That is new...and ridiculous. You even threw in a "gays can't get married because other people are assholes" argument. Yowza!

My two children each have a circle of friends they "hang" with. Only my daughter has a friend whose parents are still married to each other. One out of her five best friends. My son's circle of five has none, other than my son, whose parents are still together. None of them get bullied for being divorced, nor do my children get bullied for having gay parents.

Know who made arguments similar to today's "but, but, but the children" arguments? Racist bigots...

People who engage in the sin of interracial marriage need to reflect upon the offspring they will parent. What race will these children identify with? We know of a child who asked her maternal grandmother when she would turn white like her. ... The above-mentioned child put powder all over herself one day, in an attempt to look like her mother. This, of course, did not work. It will never work, and this child will suffer for her mother's sin forever. (Save Your Heritage)

 

[Judicial review]

Visualize this - a young boy in middle school already gets bullied because his parents choose to marry a same sex partner and then the bullies find out his parents separated, and the bullied kid has all of that to deal with along with not knowing who his biological parents are, and thinking they didn't want him, while seeing the majority of the other kids with a male and female parents.

1 question - What do you think the kid will do while under all that emotions and scrutiny? I think you know what I'm referring to. Heck take out the divorce and you still get the same outcome. Put yourself in the kids shoes. Kids are innocent and don't have the backbone of an adult that's been through nearly this much.

Are you seriously trying the "gays can't get married because they might divorce" angle? That is new...and ridiculous. You even threw in a "gays can't get married because other people are assholes" argument. Yowza!

My two children each have a circle of friends they "hang" with. Only my daughter has a friend whose parents are still married to each other. One out of her five best friends. My son's circle of five has none, other than my son, whose parents are still together. None of them get bullied for being divorced, nor do my children get bullied for having gay parents.

Know who made arguments similar to today's "but, but, but the children" arguments? Racist bigots...

People who engage in the sin of interracial marriage need to reflect upon the offspring they will parent. What race will these children identify with? We know of a child who asked her maternal grandmother when she would turn white like her. ... The above-mentioned child put powder all over herself one day, in an attempt to look like her mother. This, of course, did not work. It will never work, and this child will suffer for her mother's sin forever. (Save Your Heritage)

I'm happy to hear this actually, but you are likely in the top 1% of minorities.

 

[Seawytch]

Visualize this - a young boy in middle school already gets bullied because his parents choose to marry a same sex partner and then the bullies find out his parents separated, and the bullied kid has all of that to deal with along with not knowing who his biological parents are, and thinking they didn't want him, while seeing the majority of the other kids with a male and female parents.

1 question - What do you think the kid will do while under all that emotions and scrutiny? I think you know what I'm referring to. Heck take out the divorce and you still get the same outcome. Put yourself in the kids shoes. Kids are innocent and don't have the backbone of an adult that's been through nearly this much.

Are you seriously trying the "gays can't get married because they might divorce" angle? That is new...and ridiculous. You even threw in a "gays can't get married because other people are assholes" argument. Yowza!

My two children each have a circle of friends they "hang" with. Only my daughter has a friend whose parents are still married to each other. One out of her five best friends. My son's circle of five has none, other than my son, whose parents are still together. None of them get bullied for being divorced, nor do my children get bullied for having gay parents.

Know who made arguments similar to today's "but, but, but the children" arguments? Racist bigots...

People who engage in the sin of interracial marriage need to reflect upon the offspring they will parent. What race will these children identify with? We know of a child who asked her maternal grandmother when she would turn white like her. ... The above-mentioned child put powder all over herself one day, in an attempt to look like her mother. This, of course, did not work. It will never work, and this child will suffer for her mother's sin forever. (Save Your Heritage)

I'm happy to hear this actually, but you are likely in the top 1% of minorities.

No, actually, not. Gays are divorcing at lower rates currently in the US than straights. That won't last, of course, it will even out but it is certainly not a reason to deny gays marriage equality, that they will also get divorce equality. That's just silly.

None of the gay married couples I know have divorced yet. Purely anecdotal of course.

 

[Judicial review]

Visualize this - a young boy in middle school already gets bullied because his parents choose to marry a same sex partner and then the bullies find out his parents separated, and the bullied kid has all of that to deal with along with not knowing who his biological parents are, and thinking they didn't want him, while seeing the majority of the other kids with a male and female parents.

1 question - What do you think the kid will do while under all that emotions and scrutiny? I think you know what I'm referring to. Heck take out the divorce and you still get the same outcome. Put yourself in the kids shoes. Kids are innocent and don't have the backbone of an adult that's been through nearly this much.

Are you seriously trying the "gays can't get married because they might divorce" angle? That is new...and ridiculous. You even threw in a "gays can't get married because other people are assholes" argument. Yowza!

My two children each have a circle of friends they "hang" with. Only my daughter has a friend whose parents are still married to each other. One out of her five best friends. My son's circle of five has none, other than my son, whose parents are still together. None of them get bullied for being divorced, nor do my children get bullied for having gay parents.

Know who made arguments similar to today's "but, but, but the children" arguments? Racist bigots...

People who engage in the sin of interracial marriage need to reflect upon the offspring they will parent. What race will these children identify with? We know of a child who asked her maternal grandmother when she would turn white like her. ... The above-mentioned child put powder all over herself one day, in an attempt to look like her mother. This, of course, did not work. It will never work, and this child will suffer for her mother's sin forever. (Save Your Heritage)

I'm happy to hear this actually, but you are likely in the top 1% of minorities.

No, actually, not. Gays are divorcing at lower rates currently in the US than straights. That won't last, of course, it will even out but it is certainly not a reason to deny gays marriage equality, that they will also get divorce equality. That's just silly.

None of the gay married couples I know have divorced yet. Purely anecdotal of course.

Not what i was referring to at all.

 

[Seawytch]

Visualize this - a young boy in middle school already gets bullied because his parents choose to marry a same sex partner and then the bullies find out his parents separated, and the bullied kid has all of that to deal with along with not knowing who his biological parents are, and thinking they didn't want him, while seeing the majority of the other kids with a male and female parents.

1 question - What do you think the kid will do while under all that emotions and scrutiny? I think you know what I'm referring to. Heck take out the divorce and you still get the same outcome. Put yourself in the kids shoes. Kids are innocent and don't have the backbone of an adult that's been through nearly this much.

Are you seriously trying the "gays can't get married because they might divorce" angle? That is new...and ridiculous. You even threw in a "gays can't get married because other people are assholes" argument. Yowza!

My two children each have a circle of friends they "hang" with. Only my daughter has a friend whose parents are still married to each other. One out of her five best friends. My son's circle of five has none, other than my son, whose parents are still together. None of them get bullied for being divorced, nor do my children get bullied for having gay parents.

Know who made arguments similar to today's "but, but, but the children" arguments? Racist bigots...

People who engage in the sin of interracial marriage need to reflect upon the offspring they will parent. What race will these children identify with? We know of a child who asked her maternal grandmother when she would turn white like her. ... The above-mentioned child put powder all over herself one day, in an attempt to look like her mother. This, of course, did not work. It will never work, and this child will suffer for her mother's sin forever. (Save Your Heritage)

I'm happy to hear this actually, but you are likely in the top 1% of minorities.

No, actually, not. Gays are divorcing at lower rates currently in the US than straights. That won't last, of course, it will even out but it is certainly not a reason to deny gays marriage equality, that they will also get divorce equality. That's just silly.

None of the gay married couples I know have divorced yet. Purely anecdotal of course.

Not what i was referring to at all.

Then perhaps you need to be more clear. My perception is that you are arguing against marriage equality because gays might have kids and might divorce. Dissuade me of that notion, please.

 

[Judicial review]

Visualize this - a young boy in middle school already gets bullied because his parents choose to marry a same sex partner and then the bullies find out his parents separated, and the bullied kid has all of that to deal with along with not knowing who his biological parents are, and thinking they didn't want him, while seeing the majority of the other kids with a male and female parents.

1 question - What do you think the kid will do while under all that emotions and scrutiny? I think you know what I'm referring to. Heck take out the divorce and you still get the same outcome. Put yourself in the kids shoes. Kids are innocent and don't have the backbone of an adult that's been through nearly this much.

Are you seriously trying the "gays can't get married because they might divorce" angle? That is new...and ridiculous. You even threw in a "gays can't get married because other people are assholes" argument. Yowza!

My two children each have a circle of friends they "hang" with. Only my daughter has a friend whose parents are still married to each other. One out of her five best friends. My son's circle of five has none, other than my son, whose parents are still together. None of them get bullied for being divorced, nor do my children get bullied for having gay parents.

Know who made arguments similar to today's "but, but, but the children" arguments? Racist bigots...

People who engage in the sin of interracial marriage need to reflect upon the offspring they will parent. What race will these children identify with? We know of a child who asked her maternal grandmother when she would turn white like her. ... The above-mentioned child put powder all over herself one day, in an attempt to look like her mother. This, of course, did not work. It will never work, and this child will suffer for her mother's sin forever. (Save Your Heritage)

I'm happy to hear this actually, but you are likely in the top 1% of minorities.

No, actually, not. Gays are divorcing at lower rates currently in the US than straights. That won't last, of course, it will even out but it is certainly not a reason to deny gays marriage equality, that they will also get divorce equality. That's just silly.

None of the gay married couples I know have divorced yet. Purely anecdotal of course.

Not what i was referring to at all.

Then perhaps you need to be more clear. My perception is that you are arguing against marriage equality because gays might have kids and might divorce. Dissuade me of that notion, please.

Ok.

"Visualize this - a young boy in middle school already gets bullied because his parents choose to marry a same sex partner and then the bullies find out his parents separated, and the bullied kid has all of that to deal with along with not knowing who his biological parents are, and thinking they didn't want him, while seeing the majority of the other kids with a male and female parents.

1 question - What do you think the kid will do while under all that emotions and scrutiny? I think you know what I'm referring to. Heck take out the divorce and you still get the same outcome. Put yourself in the kids shoes. Kids are innocent and don't have the backbone of an adult that's been through nearly this much.?"

 

[frigidweirdo]

No, actually, not. Gays are divorcing at lower rates currently in the US than straights. That won't last, of course, it will even out but it is certainly not a reason to deny gays marriage equality, that they will also get divorce equality. That's just silly.

None of the gay married couples I know have divorced yet. Purely anecdotal of course.

Elton John has been with his partner since 1993. I mean, even a fruit loop like Elton John can stay together with someone, anyone can.

 

[Redfish]

Visualize this - a young boy in middle school already gets bullied because his parents choose to marry a same sex partner and then the bullies find out his parents separated, and the bullied kid has all of that to deal with along with not knowing who his biological parents are, and thinking they didn't want him, while seeing the majority of the other kids with a male and female parents.

1 question - What do you think the kid will do while under all that emotions and scrutiny? I think you know what I'm referring to. Heck take out the divorce and you still get the same outcome. Put yourself in the kids shoes. Kids are innocent and don't have the backbone of an adult that's been through nearly this much.

Are you seriously trying the "gays can't get married because they might divorce" angle? That is new...and ridiculous. You even threw in a "gays can't get married because other people are assholes" argument. Yowza!

My two children each have a circle of friends they "hang" with. Only my daughter has a friend whose parents are still married to each other. One out of her five best friends. My son's circle of five has none, other than my son, whose parents are still together. None of them get bullied for being divorced, nor do my children get bullied for having gay parents.

Know who made arguments similar to today's "but, but, but the children" arguments? Racist bigots...

People who engage in the sin of interracial marriage need to reflect upon the offspring they will parent. What race will these children identify with? We know of a child who asked her maternal grandmother when she would turn white like her. ... The above-mentioned child put powder all over herself one day, in an attempt to look like her mother. This, of course, did not work. It will never work, and this child will suffer for her mother's sin forever. (Save Your Heritage)

Just curious, did you teach your kids that they can swing either way based on how the feel on any given day? What did you teach them about multiple partner "marriage" ? Did you teach them that it was ok to discriminate against these people who only want to marry who they love? Did you teach them that your "wife" had nothing to do with creating them? (I assume you are the birth mother).

Have they expressed confusion about their sexual identity while growing up?

You say its all wonderful, just wondered if it really is.

 

[Redfish]

No, actually, not. Gays are divorcing at lower rates currently in the US than straights. That won't last, of course, it will even out but it is certainly not a reason to deny gays marriage equality, that they will also get divorce equality. That's just silly.

None of the gay married couples I know have divorced yet. Purely anecdotal of course.

Elton John has been with his partner since 1993. I mean, even a fruit loop like Elton John can stay together with someone, anyone can.

yeah, Sir Elton, what every parent wants their little boy to become.

 

[Redfish]

a society that is ruled by minority views is doomed. Its called anarchy or dictatorship.

What do you mean by "minority view"? It changes every frigging post.

its quite simple. a minority is any group that makes up less than 50% of the population. minority view is the view of the minority. minority rule is either a monarchy, a dictatorship, or a marxist collectivist state.

What you libs don't get is that under the socialist state that you crave, all of the money and all of the power is concentrated in a very small group of super elites.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Just curious, did you teach your kids that they can swing either way based on how the feel on any given day? What did you teach them about multiple partner "marriage" ? Did you teach them that it was ok to discriminate against these people who only want to marry who they love? Did you teach them that your "wife" had nothing to do with creating them? (I assume you are the birth mother).

Have they expressed confusion about their sexual identity while growing up?

You say its all wonderful, just wondered if it really is.

Or maybe it's just better to let kids be kids, and to let them find their own way, but support them with the decisions they make.

Plenty of kids grow up gay. Within my job I have worked with such kids. You can spot them a mile off. They don't even necessarily know it yet. You support them the same as anyone else.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No, actually, not. Gays are divorcing at lower rates currently in the US than straights. That won't last, of course, it will even out but it is certainly not a reason to deny gays marriage equality, that they will also get divorce equality. That's just silly.

None of the gay married couples I know have divorced yet. Purely anecdotal of course.

Elton John has been with his partner since 1993. I mean, even a fruit loop like Elton John can stay together with someone, anyone can.

yeah, Sir Elton, what every parent wants their little boy to become.

Rich and famous? Oh, and also one of the most successful people in their field?

 

[frigidweirdo]

its quite simple. a minority is any group that makes up less than 50% of the population. minority view is the view of the minority. minority rule is either a monarchy, a dictatorship, or a marxist collectivist state.

What you libs don't get is that under the socialist state that you crave, all of the money and all of the power is concentrated in a very small group of super elites.

Okay. Bill of Rights.

Not only were those who put the Bill of Rights in place a minority. Those who voted for those who put this in place were also a minority.

New Jersey was the ONLY state prior to 1807 that allowed women to vote. After 1807 only men could. A majority? I don't think so. Also property owned counted for whether you could vote. Blacks and Native Americans couldn't vote in most cases.

1904 presidential election. 12 million voted out of 76 million people. A majority? No suuuurreeeeee.

2012 about 127 million people voted, out of a population of 300 million. A majority? No suuuuuurrrrrreeee.

So, never, I mean NEVER in the history of the US has a president, or a Congress, been elected by THE MAJORITY.

Minority rule has ruled since day one to the present day, and will continue for a while too.

You're talking as if I'm a socialist. And then you describe the current situation. Hmm. Are you suggesting the US is a socialist state?

 

[Judicial review]

Just curious, did you teach your kids that they can swing either way based on how the feel on any given day? What did you teach them about multiple partner "marriage" ? Did you teach them that it was ok to discriminate against these people who only want to marry who they love? Did you teach them that your "wife" had nothing to do with creating them? (I assume you are the birth mother).

Have they expressed confusion about their sexual identity while growing up?

You say its all wonderful, just wondered if it really is.

Or maybe it's just better to let kids be kids, and to let them find their own way, but support them with the decisions they make.

Plenty of kids grow up gay. Within my job I have worked with such kids. You can spot them a mile off. They don't even necessarily know it yet. You support them the same as anyone else.

People or adults choose to be gay. Kids don't know until they reach a certain age and they usually turn gay because they don't know how to deal with the opposite sex or they hate and develop anger toward the opposite sex for rejection or the simply got abused by their same sex parent and it becomes the new normal. Let me ask you a question - How many gays were abused as kids by there parent? Probably a huge part of the gay community, which if it didn't happen or they sought professional help they wouldn't be gay meaning it's all psycological. take all of those people out of the equasion and you get very few gays or none at all.

 

[frigidweirdo]

People or adults choose to be gay. Kids don't know until they reach a certain age and they usually turn gay because they don't know how to deal with the opposite sex or they hate and develop anger toward the opposite sex for rejection or the simply got abused by their same sex parent and it becomes the new normal. Let me ask you a question - How many gays were abused as kids by there parent? Probably a huge part of the gay community, which if it didn't happen or they sought professional help they wouldn't be gay meaning it's all psycological. take all of those people out of the equasion and you get very few gays or none at all.

You know how much rubbish you are talking right now? Like I've said, I've known quite a few people who were clearly gay when they were suppressing it. Why would they?

In fact I had a moron of a boss who was like that. Before he became big boss of the place he used to tell people about the girls he'd been with and everyone else was like "whatever". And then he came out, it was only a surprise to himself. He went crazy with the freedom he found after that and quit his job before the year was out, but the reality is everyone could see it and he was afraid to come out, AND he preferred being with the opposite sex when it came to chatting etc.

Was he abused? I doubt it, he was a moron, but I didn't see anything of abuse, he was also in my sister's year at school and she didn't hear of any abuse.

Another kid I came across was at school, a teacher there was gay and this kid felt a lot of comfort (i'm not suggesting anything sexual here, this is mental) in being around another person who was similar to he was. Was he abused, no, he didn't show any signs of being a tormented kid. He was just gay, you could tell. He was maybe 14 years old.

You'll find that you don't know the reality of gay people. I don't know much, I have lived with gay people, I have been around gay people, mostly on the fringes, I can't say many of my friends have ever been gay. I lived with a bi-sexual person who struggled to tell us that this was the case, more worried about his friends from back home finding out than anything else. Once he realised no one really cared what he did, he was able to relax a lot more.

 

[Redfish]

Just curious, did you teach your kids that they can swing either way based on how the feel on any given day? What did you teach them about multiple partner "marriage" ? Did you teach them that it was ok to discriminate against these people who only want to marry who they love? Did you teach them that your "wife" had nothing to do with creating them? (I assume you are the birth mother).

Have they expressed confusion about their sexual identity while growing up?

You say its all wonderful, just wondered if it really is.

Or maybe it's just better to let kids be kids, and to let them find their own way, but support them with the decisions they make.

Plenty of kids grow up gay. Within my job I have worked with such kids. You can spot them a mile off. They don't even necessarily know it yet. You support them the same as anyone else.

of course, I agree 100%. But I was asking wytch about her personal views because I suspect hypocrisy on her part.

I have gay friends and relatives and I love and respect every one of them. Also, most of them do not give a flip about the gay marriage debate.

 

[Redfish]

its quite simple. a minority is any group that makes up less than 50% of the population. minority view is the view of the minority. minority rule is either a monarchy, a dictatorship, or a marxist collectivist state.

What you libs don't get is that under the socialist state that you crave, all of the money and all of the power is concentrated in a very small group of super elites.

Okay. Bill of Rights.

Not only were those who put the Bill of Rights in place a minority. Those who voted for those who put this in place were also a minority.

New Jersey was the ONLY state prior to 1807 that allowed women to vote. After 1807 only men could. A majority? I don't think so. Also property owned counted for whether you could vote. Blacks and Native Americans couldn't vote in most cases.

1904 presidential election. 12 million voted out of 76 million people. A majority? No suuuurreeeeee.

2012 about 127 million people voted, out of a population of 300 million. A majority? No suuuuuurrrrrreeee.

So, never, I mean NEVER in the history of the US has a president, or a Congress, been elected by THE MAJORITY.

Minority rule has ruled since day one to the present day, and will continue for a while too.

You're talking as if I'm a socialist. And then you describe the current situation. Hmm. Are you suggesting the US is a socialist state?

a majority of those voting, idiot, thats how it always works.

The US is moving toward a european type of socialism. If thats what a "majority" of the citizens want, then so be it.

 

[Judicial review]

People or adults choose to be gay. Kids don't know until they reach a certain age and they usually turn gay because they don't know how to deal with the opposite sex or they hate and develop anger toward the opposite sex for rejection or the simply got abused by their same sex parent and it becomes the new normal. Let me ask you a question - How many gays were abused as kids by there parent? Probably a huge part of the gay community, which if it didn't happen or they sought professional help they wouldn't be gay meaning it's all psycological. take all of those people out of the equasion and you get very few gays or none at all.

You know how much rubbish you are talking right now? Like I've said, I've known quite a few people who were clearly gay when they were suppressing it. Why would they?

In fact I had a moron of a boss who was like that. Before he became big boss of the place he used to tell people about the girls he'd been with and everyone else was like "whatever". And then he came out, it was only a surprise to himself. He went crazy with the freedom he found after that and quit his job before the year was out, but the reality is everyone could see it and he was afraid to come out, AND he preferred being with the opposite sex when it came to chatting etc.

Was he abused? I doubt it, he was a moron, but I didn't see anything of abuse, he was also in my sister's year at school and she didn't hear of any abuse.

Another kid I came across was at school, a teacher there was gay and this kid felt a lot of comfort (i'm not suggesting anything sexual here, this is mental) in being around another person who was similar to he was. Was he abused, no, he didn't show any signs of being a tormented kid. He was just gay, you could tell. He was maybe 14 years old.

You'll find that you don't know the reality of gay people. I don't know much, I have lived with gay people, I have been around gay people, mostly on the fringes, I can't say many of my friends have ever been gay. I lived with a bi-sexual person who struggled to tell us that this was the case, more worried about his friends from back home finding out than anything else. Once he realised no one really cared what he did, he was able to relax a lot more.

Abuse can be hidden very well. I have to doubt you didn't see it. However, abuse hits us to our core, and changes us. It can change who we are if we let it.

btw.. are you British?

 

[frigidweirdo]

of course, I agree 100%. But I was asking wytch about her personal views because I suspect hypocrisy on her part.

I have gay friends and relatives and I love and respect every one of them. Also, most of them do not give a flip about the gay marriage debate.

So they don't care, other people do. Should we limit rights, freedom, equality, choice etc just because some people don't care?