7 MILLION to lose health care....

[asaratis]

....thanks to ObamaCare and "what's in the bill".

Cameron Harris: CBO Estimates 7 Million to Lose Healthcare -- Just Like We Argued


Fast forward to Tuesday, February 5, 2013. The Congressional Budget Office released further estimates, again detailing the number of people who will be pushed out of their employer-based insurance coverage as reported by The Washington Times. Remember, their previous estimate was 3 million Americans. The new numbers? Upwards of 7 million Americans will lose their employer-offered coverage.

CBO said that changes in tax policy have made it less attractive to pay for insurance, and employers are instead choosing to pay a penalty to the government. Too bad if you liked your healthcare plan, you now have to purchase a plan from the federal government. The cheapest government family plan comes in at around 20 grand a year. And remember, the Act mandates that you must be covered by some form of insurance.

The Congressional Budget Office is just now telling us what I and numerous conservative voices have been saying since the details of the Affordable Care Act were released. Now, 7 million Americans will be forced to enter into government-sponsored healthcare exchanges after being promised multiple times that they would be able to keep whatever job-based insurance that they already had.

Nancy Pelosi’s infamous statement that we must “pass [Obamacare] to see what’s in it] is coming to fruition as more and more information is being released that is directly contradictory to what Obama, Pelosi, the media, and even a non-partisan Congressional Budget Office told us throughout debate over the law and after its passing.

 

[Claudette]

Of course its not as advertized. I'm not surprised.

Anyone who thinks the ACA is gonna be cheaper and better is an idiot.

This thing will be another albatross around our necks like SS and Medicare.

 

[Spoonman]

I think we are in for many ugly surprises with this deal.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Of course its not as advertized. I'm not surprised.

Anyone who thinks the ACA is gonna be cheaper and better is an idiot.

This thing will be another albatross around our necks like SS and Medicare.

In a July 2009 speech to the American Medical Association, Obama declared, “no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.

 

[lynn63]

Of course its not as advertized. I'm not surprised.

Anyone who thinks the ACA is gonna be cheaper and better is an idiot.

This thing will be another albatross around our necks like SS and Medicare.

In a July 2009 speech to the American Medical Association, Obama declared, “no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.

What they don't tell you is the federal insurance has a higher premium percentage then what your premium percentage is with your current employer. This makes it more attractive for current employers to drop their coverage and join the exchange since their percentage that they currently pay on their employees would be lower in the exchange.

This is designed to get the masses who have health insurance and pay a percentage of their insurance premiums to get used to a higher rate taken out of their paychecks plus pay higher in out of pocket costs.

What is going to happen is healthcare insurance will eventually just pay for catastrophic health issues while you pay for everything else during your lifetime under the disguise of out of pocket costs.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

What is going to happen is healthcare insurance will eventually just pay for catastrophic health issues while you pay for everything else during your lifetime under the disguise of out of pocket costs.

Which is exactly the way it should be because that is what insurance is. Insurance isn't supposed to pay for every single sniffle and sneeze. That's one reason why it's do damn expensive, but that is not the goal of ObamaCare nor will it be the result.

 

[lynn63]

If I have to pay $11000 for healthcare premiums a year then I rather have that money put into a saving account and pay my own healthcare during my lifetime instead of in the pockets of CEO's making 49 million a year, paying for lobbyist and politicians to create self interest tax loops and laws that serve the insurance company's profit margin.

 

[Mad Scientist]

If I have to pay $11000 for healthcare premiums a year then I rather have that money put into a saving account and pay my own healthcare during my lifetime instead of in the pockets of CEO's making 49 million a year, paying for lobbyist and politicians to create self interest tax loops and laws that serve the insurance company's profit margin.

ObamaCare was WRITTEN by the Health Care Industrial Complex and is a GIFT to them by our Completely Corrupted Congress and President.

 

[dblack]

If I have to pay $11000 for healthcare premiums a year then I rather have that money put into a saving account and pay my own healthcare during my lifetime instead of in the pockets of CEO's making 49 million a year, paying for lobbyist and politicians to create self interest tax loops and laws that serve the insurance company's profit margin.

ObamaCare was WRITTEN by the Health Care Industrial Complex and is a GIFT to them by our Completely Corrupted Congress and President.

If those who are supporting Democrats would cop to this, and join the rest of the country in opposing PPACA, we might have a chance at real reform.

 

[Underhill]

If I have to pay $11000 for healthcare premiums a year then I rather have that money put into a saving account and pay my own healthcare during my lifetime instead of in the pockets of CEO's making 49 million a year, paying for lobbyist and politicians to create self interest tax loops and laws that serve the insurance company's profit margin.

11k is a bit steep. But if something serious happens, even if you managed to put away that amount for 20 years (which nobody would do if voluntary), you could eat through that money in a few months easily.

 

[California Girl]

I wish I was shocked that the left wing are avoiding this thread. I'm not. ThinkProgress and the HuffPuff have not 'informed' them of the 'facts'.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If I have to pay $11000 for healthcare premiums a year then I rather have that money put into a saving account and pay my own healthcare during my lifetime instead of in the pockets of CEO's making 49 million a year, paying for lobbyist and politicians to create self interest tax loops and laws that serve the insurance company's profit margin.

11k is a bit steep. But if something serious happens, even if you managed to put away that amount for 20 years (which nobody would do if voluntary), you could eat through that money in a few months easily.

of course you're forgetting that if we had capitalist health care it would cost by 75% or so. Remember socialism made China so poor that millions starved to death each year. Under capitalism they can afford to buy almost everything!!

Is this lesson really over your head? As a liberal you will find it over your head, sadly.

 

[emilynghiem]

Of course its not as advertized. I'm not surprised.

Anyone who thinks the ACA is gonna be cheaper and better is an idiot.

This thing will be another albatross around our necks like SS and Medicare.

Health care won't get cheaper until we solve the problem of waste of resources
and not preventing crimes, abuses and other ill behavior that incurs treatment costs.

The supporters of ACA claim to focus on at least stopping the costs of
* ER treatment abused to get free help
* more expensive measures if the preventative care is covered or earlier intervention

But these can be done without imposing unfunded mandates.

Better to reward states for reforming correctional and mental health
facilities to offer cost-effective treatment, and redirect funds and resources
currently wasted on failed systems,
to fund medical education and public service internships,
combining the cost of training with accessible health provisions.

This has to be managed by state, and pushing it federally is mainly a political ploy.

I agree with the philosophy of the AZ bill that states and people can enforce federal laws and especially Constitutional protections WITHOUT relying on federal govt to do that.

By taking on the same responsibilities for Constitutional protections as the Federal Level,
the People and the States can provide for public health and safety without federal mandates.

So there was no need to push for the federal level to step in
if people already accept responsibility for Constitutional enforcement.

That is where I find Obama is off in his philosophy.
It comes across backwards if people DEPEND on federal govt for Constitutional equality
inclusion and representation, to be imposed from the top down, instead of people INVOKING this same authority by the principles and spirit of the Constitution, and governing themselves locally to protect, manage and represent their interests as equal participants.

Something is getting lost in translation of the
concept of INCLUSION in consensus and change
as long as Obama keeps excluding opposing views and input.

 

[dblack]

Health care won't get cheaper until we solve the problem of waste of resources ...

And that won't happen until there is economic incentive to do so. Currently, on the health care gravy train, there is very little reason to bother.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Health care won't get cheaper until we solve the problem of waste of resourcesand not preventing crimes, abuses and other ill behavior that incurs treatment costs.

of course under capitalism any resources you waste are your own so you have the maximum incentive not to do it!! Now you know why as the most capitalist country we are also the richest!!

Please notice that a liberal will always lack the IQ to understand how capitalist health care would work.

 

[emilynghiem]

If I have to pay $11000 for healthcare premiums a year then I rather have that money put into a saving account and pay my own healthcare during my lifetime instead of in the pockets of CEO's making 49 million a year, paying for lobbyist and politicians to create self interest tax loops and laws that serve the insurance company's profit margin.

ObamaCare was WRITTEN by the Health Care Industrial Complex and is a GIFT to them by our Completely Corrupted Congress and President.

If those who are supporting Democrats would cop to this, and join the rest of the country in opposing PPACA, we might have a chance at real reform.

I believe we could rein in the Democrat based by tying in
replacing the death penalty and other wasteful prison programs
with more cost-effective corrections and treatment.
(while maintaining the legal option of capital punishment as a choice on the books
which is effectively used to compel negotiations and cooperation,
with authorities in order to AVOID having to use it, same as war and defense)

And from there, pushing for medical treatment, research and educational
programs to be expanded, by redirecting more of the prison resources there,
and using THAT to pay for health care, as well as training for more nurses,
doctors, interns to serve more of the population through
public health clinics and teaching hospitals in exchange for their education.

I am a Democrat and willing and asking to work with advocates and leaders
in all Parties concerned about sustainable health care and education
to formulate a proposal to solve problems with both the ACA and immigration policies
that I find equally ties in with reforms to criminal justice that otherwise kill state budgets.

If you know someone willing to take this approach, please let me know.
I could see us organizing an informal "senate" network of 2-3 reps from
various parties PER STATE to put together examples or models of agreed solutions,
and propose that to the federal and state government currently in conflict over ACA.
Again i find the same solutions that would work for any one of these areas,
also solves the problems of the others: equal access to health care and education
on a sustainable self-supporting basis, criminal justice and immigration reforms.

 

[emilynghiem]

Of course its not as advertized. I'm not surprised.

Anyone who thinks the ACA is gonna be cheaper and better is an idiot.

This thing will be another albatross around our necks like SS and Medicare.

In a July 2009 speech to the American Medical Association, Obama declared, “no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.

But if the employers cannot afford to keep insurance under the new policies,
then people blame the Companies for cutting insurance or cutting jobs to part time?

 

[emilynghiem]

....thanks to ObamaCare and "what's in the bill".

Cameron Harris: CBO Estimates 7 Million to Lose Healthcare -- Just Like We Argued


Fast forward to Tuesday, February 5, 2013. The Congressional Budget Office released further estimates, again detailing the number of people who will be pushed out of their employer-based insurance coverage as reported by The Washington Times. Remember, their previous estimate was 3 million Americans. The new numbers? Upwards of 7 million Americans will lose their employer-offered coverage.

CBO said that changes in tax policy have made it less attractive to pay for insurance, and employers are instead choosing to pay a penalty to the government. Too bad if you liked your healthcare plan, you now have to purchase a plan from the federal government. The cheapest government family plan comes in at around 20 grand a year. And remember, the Act mandates that you must be covered by some form of insurance.

The Congressional Budget Office is just now telling us what I and numerous conservative voices have been saying since the details of the Affordable Care Act were released. Now, 7 million Americans will be forced to enter into government-sponsored healthcare exchanges after being promised multiple times that they would be able to keep whatever job-based insurance that they already had.

Nancy Pelosi’s infamous statement that we must “pass [Obamacare] to see what’s in it] is coming to fruition as more and more information is being released that is directly contradictory to what Obama, Pelosi, the media, and even a non-partisan Congressional Budget Office told us throughout debate over the law and after its passing.

Below is a fair representation of a Democrat's view of the 7 million pushed into the federal exchange plan. As a Constitutionalist Democrat, I DON'T agree with forcing people by abusing federal authority as a monopoly, so I DISAGREE by the spirit of how this is set up which goes against the purpose of Constitutional laws as an agreed contract with people.
If there is a problem with medical or insurance monopolies on health care, you don't make it worse by legislating regulations within the same that DON'T solve the root problems.

So I disagree with pushing or enabling federal mandates and believe in state supported options through free enterprise and investing DIRECLTY in health care facilities and services, not forcing people to fund insurance or federal programs that can't solve the causes of exhorbitant health care costs which depend on local reforms managed by people directly.
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7 Million To Be Pushed Out Of Job-Based Insurance. Let?s Hope For Millions More

"When one hears a title of a story like “Seven million will lose insurance under Obama health law”, the rule thumb is to first panic. Should not Obamacare have ensured that that would not occur? When one further dives into the story and realize that it means seven million will lose insurance provided by their employers and not insurability, it presents an excellent segue to discuss America’s healthcare insurance payment system abyss.

"It is likely more people will eventually lose their job-based insurance simply because companies may realize it is not only about the cost of the premiums they pay for their employees, but the inefficiencies of renegotiating healthcare insurance contracts yearly. They can get rid of their healthcare infrastructure (employees, space, and other overhead), pay a fixed “penalty” and have their employees all join an exchange.

"While many will initially balk at this, it will become apparent over the years that when a company can concentrate on its core service, its core products, and not the health of the employee, they can become much more efficient. Better for the employee however is that once their healthcare is untethered from the employer, it gives them the freedom to move from employer to employer without the risk of the employer enslaving them in order to maintain insurance.

"For those who believe that the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, was a complete sell out because there was no Public Option, no real attempt at single payer, the maintenance of the fraud that is the private health insurance system, take note that the tenets within the law ensures that we will end up close to a single payer system, with a Public Option, as the middle class centric humane regulations within the law make the profit margins of the insurance “industrial” complex untenable."

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I believe at least the Political writer is as fair as possible in explaining the ACA does have the effect of Single Payer. However, I believe even that option should be funded by CHOICE not by forcing people who should retain equal freedom to fund health care programs directly, that could be made sustainable and self-supporting by combining public health service with medical education and internships, so that people earn their credits or pay for their education by providing health care to the public at the same time. There are ways to do this where it is by free choice and enterprise and not some federally mandated welfare program.

But if you do support single payer, at least be HONEST about it as this Blog points out.

 

[emilynghiem]

What is going to happen is healthcare insurance will eventually just pay for catastrophic health issues while you pay for everything else during your lifetime under the disguise of out of pocket costs.

Which is exactly the way it should be because that is what insurance is. Insurance isn't supposed to pay for every single sniffle and sneeze. That's one reason why it's do damn expensive, but that is not the goal of ObamaCare nor will it be the result.

Which is why I oppose the idea of forcing people to buy insurance
when that is not the same as paying for health care.

There are more sustainable and self-supporting ways to
cover health care services to be equally accessible and cost-effective, but those are not an equal option given the restrictions on opting-out that amount to unconstitutional
regulation and discrimination by federal govt on the basis of religion!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Of course its not as advertized. I'm not surprised.

Anyone who thinks the ACA is gonna be cheaper and better is an idiot.

This thing will be another albatross around our necks like SS and Medicare.

In a July 2009 speech to the American Medical Association, Obama declared, “no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.

But if the employers cannot afford to keep insurance under the new policies,
then people blame the Companies for cutting insurance or cutting jobs to part time?

that does not change the fact that Barry lied and lacks the character to apologize and admit that at least 7 million won't be able to keep their health plan or Doctor and that he has no idea how his liberal Nazi-like rearrangement of the world will work out!!!