74 school shootings in 77 weeks...Worth it's own thread.

[kaz]

They added the militia part to make sure the individual states could maintain their own forces separate from the federal government. To make the militias work the people had to maintain the right to keep and bear arms.

They could have just said "The Right of the People to bear arms shall not be infringed". It would have covered militias too. They didn't

How would not mentioning militias cover militias?

I quoted a noted expert in language usage that says the militia clause does not limit the rights of people to keep and bear arms.

I see RW's point. The Constitution cedes certain, enumerated powers from the people to the Federal government. The Bill of Rights goes further and says certain powers the people are specifically withheld from government.

In the middle of that, they thought, crap, government needs guns. Let's make sure they can have them. What if government tries to get rid of it's guns, we can't allow that. So they put the right of government to have guns in the middle of the bill of rights.

Sly like a fox, don't you think? RW's a brainiac, he notices those things.

 

[rightwinger]

They added the militia part to make sure the individual states could maintain their own forces separate from the federal government. To make the militias work the people had to maintain the right to keep and bear arms.

They could have just said "The Right of the People to bear arms shall not be infringed". It would have covered militias too. They didn't

How would not mentioning militias cover militias?

I quoted a noted expert in language usage that says the militia clause does not limit the rights of people to keep and bear arms.

If you have an absolute right to bear arms, what additional value does mentioning militias add?

Language expert?

 

[martybegan]

They could have just said "The Right of the People to bear arms shall not be infringed". It would have covered militias too. They didn't

How would not mentioning militias cover militias?

I quoted a noted expert in language usage that says the militia clause does not limit the rights of people to keep and bear arms.

I see RW's point. The Constitution cedes certain, enumerated powers from the people to the Federal government. The Bill of Rights goes further and says certain powers the people are specifically withheld from government.

In the middle of that, they thought, crap, government needs guns. Let's make sure they can have them. What if government tries to get rid of it's guns, we can't allow that. So they put the right of government to have guns in the middle of the bill of rights.

Sly like a fox, don't you think? RW's a brainiac, he notices those things.

The right of the federal government to have arms under its control is given by their ability to raise an army. What the 2nd does is flows that provision down to the States, and finally to the people as individuals.

 

[Wry Catcher]

So can I take away your drivers license because someone else drives drunk?

No, but I will subject myself to a sobriety check
Why won't you submit to a background check?

I have had my checks done.

I have my fingerprints on file with the state even though I have never committed a crime

So I should be able to walk into any gun store and but any gun I want.

Even if you desire an UZI?

 

[kaz]

How would not mentioning militias cover militias?

I quoted a noted expert in language usage that says the militia clause does not limit the rights of people to keep and bear arms.

I see RW's point. The Constitution cedes certain, enumerated powers from the people to the Federal government. The Bill of Rights goes further and says certain powers the people are specifically withheld from government.

In the middle of that, they thought, crap, government needs guns. Let's make sure they can have them. What if government tries to get rid of it's guns, we can't allow that. So they put the right of government to have guns in the middle of the bill of rights.

Sly like a fox, don't you think? RW's a brainiac, he notices those things.

The right of the federal government to have arms under its control is given by their ability to raise an army. What the 2nd does is flows that provision down to the States, and finally to the people as individuals.

You know I was being facetious, right Marty?

 

[Wry Catcher]

How would not mentioning militias cover militias?

I quoted a noted expert in language usage that says the militia clause does not limit the rights of people to keep and bear arms.

I see RW's point. The Constitution cedes certain, enumerated powers from the people to the Federal government. The Bill of Rights goes further and says certain powers the people are specifically withheld from government.

In the middle of that, they thought, crap, government needs guns. Let's make sure they can have them. What if government tries to get rid of it's guns, we can't allow that. So they put the right of government to have guns in the middle of the bill of rights.

Sly like a fox, don't you think? RW's a brainiac, he notices those things.

The right of the federal government to have arms under its control is given by their ability to raise an army. What the 2nd does is flows that provision down to the States, and finally to the people as individuals.

So Alabama and Wyoming ought to have B-2 Bombers with nuclear weapons, and if you could afford one, you too?

 

[Katzndogz]

12 pages and it turns out not to be true.

?Wow?: Journalist Attempts to ?Debunk? Anti-Gun Group?s List of ?School Shootings in America Since Sandy Hook? ? Here?s What He Found | TheBlaze.com

 

[kaz]

I see RW's point. The Constitution cedes certain, enumerated powers from the people to the Federal government. The Bill of Rights goes further and says certain powers the people are specifically withheld from government.

In the middle of that, they thought, crap, government needs guns. Let's make sure they can have them. What if government tries to get rid of it's guns, we can't allow that. So they put the right of government to have guns in the middle of the bill of rights.

Sly like a fox, don't you think? RW's a brainiac, he notices those things.

The right of the federal government to have arms under its control is given by their ability to raise an army. What the 2nd does is flows that provision down to the States, and finally to the people as individuals.

So Alabama and Wyoming ought to have B-2 Bombers with nuclear weapons, and if you could afford one, you too?

The right? Absolutely. However, the government is not required to provide you with arms, it is just prohibited from preventing you from having them. So acquiring those could be a bit tricky.

 

[martybegan]

I see RW's point. The Constitution cedes certain, enumerated powers from the people to the Federal government. The Bill of Rights goes further and says certain powers the people are specifically withheld from government.

In the middle of that, they thought, crap, government needs guns. Let's make sure they can have them. What if government tries to get rid of it's guns, we can't allow that. So they put the right of government to have guns in the middle of the bill of rights.

Sly like a fox, don't you think? RW's a brainiac, he notices those things.

The right of the federal government to have arms under its control is given by their ability to raise an army. What the 2nd does is flows that provision down to the States, and finally to the people as individuals.

So Alabama and Wyoming ought to have B-2 Bombers with nuclear weapons, and if you could afford one, you too?

They have F-16's. And F-16's can be made nuclear capable.

http://www.187fw.ang.af.mil/

and the nuke argumentum ad absurdum is getting a tad stale.

 

[Theowl32]

I wonder how long before the liberals use the cliche of those European countries that have strong gun control laws.

Then, I will point out that none of those countries have the open border policy that this country does. In fact all of those countries have strict citizenship policies. They do not under any circumstance offer free healthcare to non-citizens.

Ever notice how the double talking, bloviated, hypocritical liberals that always use their red herring fallacy by pointing out the European countries and their lack of gun violence.

I wonder if Sweden bordered Mexico and they had a rash of bloviated, ignorant citizens yelling that the illegals pouring into their country ought to be treated as citizens, and if the millions upon millions of them were pouring into the country, if their gang related deaths would rise through the illegal use of firearms. Hell, I wonder if their murder rates would rise.

I love it when when liberals use stats to bolster their socialist agendas. Then when I point out that stats are indeed like bikinis in that what they reveal is only suggestive, and what they conceal is vital.

Stat boy always loves that one. He hates when the flaw in stats and math are pointed out. He hates that.

 

[candycorn]

While the low information left is focusing on the 2nd Amendment, American kids are being doped and subjected to unrelenting violence and carnage by the pop culture media. Doesn't it occur to the left that the son of a Hollywood producer who had every advantage in the greatest Country in the world decided to kill people? It surely ain't about guns. The Columbine kids were doped up on psychotropic mood enhancer drugs and their parents were upper middle class left leaning victims of the pop culture generation. What does that tell you about the video addicted violence orientated generation? Today's American kids see more realistic violent carnage than most WW2 Veterans saw in their four years of warfare. American kids are probably as qualified for a PTSD pension as Afghanistan war Veterans.

Oh bull shit.

In Los Angeles, a kid is playing a violent video game, reading a book with violence or seeing a violent movie. After the game is over, the book is finished or the movie ends, he has the option of going out to a pawn shop and buying a gun or simply perusing the arsenal his parents have at the house because of the 2nd Amendment. After pumping strangers and frenemies full of hot lead he expects what happened in the game, book, or magazine to happen. It doesn't.

In London, a kid is playing the same violent video game, reading the same book with violence and seeing the same violent movie. After the game is over, the book is finished or the movie ends, he has no option to go buy a gun or loot his parent's arsenal because they have sane gun laws. So there is no pumping strangers and frenemies full of lead.

Kids all over the world are exposed to the same cultural influences. The difference here is that we have the 2nd amendment so there is almost comical access to weaponry.

 

[RDD_1210]

Hummmm.....Looks like we have a problem with 74 shootings are not actually 74 shootings... depends what the definition of Is is....
The anti-gun organization cites a total of 74 school shootings since Dec. 14, 2012. However, several of the shootings have come under scrutiny as some of them appear to have occurred off-campus and at least one may have been an instance of self-defense.

Journalist Charles C. Johnson dug deeper into Everytown’s data on Tuesday and published his findings on Twitter. He also criticized the fact that the group classified violent disputes and gang-related violence as “school shootings.”

“It’s not a school shooting when someone goes and shoots a specific person on campus. It’s a shooting that happens to take place at school,” he wrote.

?Wow?: Journalist Attempts to ?Debunk? Anti-Gun Group?s List of ?School Shootings in America Since Sandy Hook? ? Here?s What He Found | TheBlaze.com

Holy semantics games.

“It’s not a school shooting when someone goes and shoots a specific person on campus. It’s a shooting that happens to take place at school,” he wrote.

Amazing, right?

 

[RDD_1210]

It is not guns. That is all you need know. However, you do not know, but more importantly you do not care. Whatever the reason is, it will not fit your pathetic gun control narrative of the socialist democrats.

You and the rest of the pathetic hypocrites attempting to pretend you care by getting all whipped up into your little liberal frenzies about your pathetic talking points is not working on me.

It is working on many, and the country is indeed falling into a socialist paradise. Just do not pretend that you care about these situations to me. Especially when none of you ever come up with your plan and a detailed logistical plan to confiscate all of 300 million guns in circulation.

Start out with what kind of prison time will be given to those that have a gun. How many more prisons will need to be built to incarcerate these criminals? How do you feed the millions that will be incarcerated? How will it be paid for? How do you battle the black market that will be generated? How much money will be needed to be spent?

Go ahead and tell us the plan of the liberals to end all gun ownership in the country.

So you don't know the cause is. Got it.

The cause is not guns. That is all you need to know.

I get it, it does not fit in the narrative that your puppet masters have created.

So then what is the cause? In your expert opinion...

 

[Ibentoken]

Access to weaponry keeps us free. You think Harry Reid is gonna pull that crap again? I don't think so.

 

[Misty]

I'd like to see a reputable source for this information. I googled it and it's vague at best.

74 school shootings in the past 77 weeks.

Not 74 chemical bombings, not 74 stabbings, not 74 bows and arrows, not 74 hatchet attacks. The common denominator (do I need to define that term for you?) is guns.

If you Ammo-sexuals want to keep, sleep with and insert your guns into your privates because I really think it's that sick, then figure out a way to stop this epidemic.

This data tells me that the parents of these kids are pretty much out of touch with their kids, so start with them.

Do something besides shoving the 2nd Amendment in my face and whining about your fucking rights. Your rights end when innocent people who cannot protect themselves die.

School Shootings in America Since Sandy Hook | Everytown for Gun Safety - School Shootings in America Since Sandy Hook

#
Date
City
State
School Name
School Type
1. 1/08/2013 Fort Myers FL Apostolic Revival Center Christian School K-12
2. 1/10/2013 Taft CA Taft Union High School K-12
3. 1/15/2013 St. Louis MO Stevens Institute of Business & Arts College/University
4. 1/15/2013 Hazard KY Hazard Community and Technical College College/University
5. 1/16/2013 Chicago IL Chicago State University College/University
6. 1/22/2013
Houston TX Lone Star College North Harris Campus College/University
7. 1/31/2013 Atlanta GA Price Middle School K-12
8. 2/1/2013 Atlanta GA Morehouse College College/University
9. 2/7/2013 Fort Pierce FL Indian River St. College College/University
10. 2/13/2013 San Leandro CA Hillside Elementary School K-12
11. 2/27/2013 Atlanta GA Henry W. Grady HS K-12
12. 3/18/2013 Orlando FL University of Central Florida College/University
13. 3/21/2013 Southgate MI Davidson Middle School K-12
14. 4/12/2013 Christianburg VA New River Community College College/University
15. 4/13/2013 Elizabeth City NC Elizabeth City State University College/University
16. 4/15/2013 Grambling LA Grambling State University College/University
17. 4/16/2013 Tuscaloosa AL Stillman College College/University
18. 4/29/2013 Cincinnati OH La Salle High School K-12
19. 6/7/2013 Santa Monica CA Santa Monica College College/University
20. 6/19/2013 W. Palm Beach FL Alexander W. Dreyfoos School of the Arts K-12
21. 8/15/2013 Clarksville TN Northwest High School K-12
22. 8/20/2013 Decatur GA Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy K-12
23. 8/22/2013 Memphis TN Westside Elementary School K-12
24. 8/23/2013 Sardis MS North Panola High School K-12
25. 8/30/2013 Winston-Salem NC Carver High School K-12
26. 9/21/2013 Savannah GA Savannah State University College/University
27. 9/28/2013 Gray ME New Gloucester High School K-12
28. 10/4/2013 Pine Hills FL Agape Christian Academy K-12
29. 10/15/2013 Austin TX Lanier High School K-12
30. 10/21/2013 Sparks NV Sparks Middle School K-12
31. 11/1/2013 Algona IA Algona High/Middle School K-12
32. 11/2/2013 Greensboro NC North Carolina A&T State University College/University
33. 11/3/2013 Stone Mountain GA Stephenson High School K-12
34. 11/21/2013 Rapid City SD South Dakota School of Mines & Technology College/University
35. 12/4/2013 Winter Garden FL West Orange High School K-12
36. 12/13/2013 Arapahoe County CO Arapahoe High School K-12
37. 12/19/2013 Fresno CA Edison High School K-12
38. 1/9/2014 Jackson TN Liberty Technology Magnet HS K-12
39. 1/14/2014 Roswell NM Berrendo Middle School K-12
40. 1/15/2014 Lancaster PA Martin Luther King Jr. ES K-12
41. 1/17/2014 Philadelphia PA Delaware Valley Charter HS K-12
42. 1/20/2014 Chester PA Widener University College/University
43. 1/21/2014 West Lafayette IN Purdue University College/University
44. 1/24/2014 Orangeburg SC South Carolina State University College/University
45. 1/28/2014 Nashville TN Tennessee State University College/University
46. 1/28/2014 Grambling LA Grambling State University College/University
47. 1/30/2014 Palm Bay FL Eastern Florida State College College/University
48. 1/31/2014 Phoenix AZ Cesar Chavez High School K-12
49. 1/31/2014 Des Moines IA North High School K-12
50. 2/7/2014 Bend OR Bend High School K-12
51. 2/10/2014 Salisbury NC Salisbury High School K-12
52. 2/11/2014 Lyndhurst OH Brush High School K-12
53. 2/12/2014 Jackson TN Union University College/University
54. 2/20/2014 Raytown MO Raytown Success Academy K-12
55. 3/2/2014 Westminster MD McDaniel College College/University
56. 3/7/2014 Tallulah LA Madison High School K-12
57. 3/8/2014 Oshkosh WI University of Wisconsin – Oshkosh College/University
58. 3/21/2014 Newark DE University of Delaware College/University
59. 3/30/2014 Savannah GA Savannah State University College/University
60. 4/3/2014 Kent OH Kent State University College/University
61. 4/7/2014 Roswell NM Eastern New Mexico University-Roswell College/University
62. 4/11/2014 Detroit MI East English Village Preparatory Academy K-12
63. 4/21/2014 Griffith IN St. Mary Catholic School K-12
64. 4/21/2014 Provo UT Provo High School K-12
65. 4/26/2014 Council Bluffs IA Iowa Western Community College College/University
66. 5/2/2014 Milwaukee WI Marquette University College/University
67. 5/3/2014 Everett WA Horizon Elementary School K-12
68. 5/4/2014 Augusta GA Paine College College/University
69. 5/5/2014 Augusta GA Paine College College/University
70. 5/8/2014 Georgetown KY Georgetown College College/University
71. 5/8/2014 Lawrenceville GA Georgia Gwinnett College College/University
72. 5/21/2014 Milwaukee WI Clark Street School K-12
73. 6/5/2014 Seattle WA Seattle Pacific University College/University
74. 6/10/2014 Troutdale OR Reynolds High School K-12

 

[Wry Catcher]

The right of the federal government to have arms under its control is given by their ability to raise an army. What the 2nd does is flows that provision down to the States, and finally to the people as individuals.

So Alabama and Wyoming ought to have B-2 Bombers with nuclear weapons, and if you could afford one, you too?

The right? Absolutely. However, the government is not required to provide you with arms, it is just prohibited from preventing you from having them. So acquiring those could be a bit tricky.

I suppose that depends on how one defines "right". If you assume the Second gives you the right to own any weapon, I'm able to understand that opinion, though I believe it to be insane.

There is no way to control who should be able to own, possess or have in their custody and control a gun, or any weapon of war, unless people of good will and of uncommon sense see a problem and seek a soltuion. Only one side seems to have these attributes, and that is those of us who want to have a rational debate on the problem.

 

[Theowl32]

So you don't know the cause is. Got it.

The cause is not guns. That is all you need to know.

I get it, it does not fit in the narrative that your puppet masters have created.

So then what is the cause? In your expert opinion...

The cause is not guns, that is all you need to know. You have a real hard time understanding don't you?

I get it, it does not fit the narrative of your puppet masters.

You ever wonder how the greatest mass murder committed by terrorists in this country was done without a gun?

Oh, never mind. I really cannot tell if that makes you happy that people were killed without guns, or if it frustrates you that brown people were able to commit mass murder without a firearm, and so it proves that one does not need a firearm to commit mass murder.

I am serious. I cannot tell.

 

[hboats]

32,000 traffic fatalities in 2013 in the United States. Why aren't we calling for cars to be outlawed? Why don't we have a 10 day waiting period for the purchase of a motor vehicle? Those things are deadly.

Wait, maybe it's the person behind the wheel that is to blame? No? Ok. Let's ban cars.

Rick (hboats)

 

[Theowl32]

And still, you refuse to look at the root cause of these tragedies. Hint: it's not guns.

And the root cause is???

It is not guns. That is all you need know. However, you do not know, but more importantly you do not care. Whatever the reason is, it will not fit your pathetic gun control narrative of the socialist democrats.

You and the rest of the pathetic hypocrites attempting to pretend you care by getting all whipped up into your little liberal frenzies about your pathetic talking points is not working on me.

It is working on many, and the country is indeed falling into a socialist paradise. Just do not pretend that you care about these situations to me. Especially when none of you ever come up with your plan and a detailed logistical plan to confiscate all of 300 million guns in circulation.

Start out with what kind of prison time will be given to those that have a gun. How many more prisons will need to be built to incarcerate these criminals? How do you feed the millions that will be incarcerated? How will it be paid for? How do you battle the black market that will be generated? How much money will be needed to be spent?

Go ahead and tell us the plan of the liberals to end all gun ownership in the country.

You think one liberal will give us what their plan is? Hell, you think any of them will even make a point?


What is their point? Anyone know? They say they do not want to ban guns...., I always laugh when they say that.

If that is not what they want, then what do they want? Anyone know? More gun laws?

I am still waiting for them to address the logistics of their little plan. Hell, what is their plan at all.

Please, someone tell me.

 

[mudwhistle]

While the low information left is focusing on the 2nd Amendment, American kids are being doped and subjected to unrelenting violence and carnage by the pop culture media. Doesn't it occur to the left that the son of a Hollywood producer who had every advantage in the greatest Country in the world decided to kill people? It surely ain't about guns. The Columbine kids were doped up on psychotropic mood enhancer drugs and their parents were upper middle class left leaning victims of the pop culture generation. What does that tell you about the video addicted violence orientated generation? Today's American kids see more realistic violent carnage than most WW2 Veterans saw in their four years of warfare. American kids are probably as qualified for a PTSD pension as Afghanistan war Veterans.

Oh bull shit.

In Los Angeles, a kid is playing a violent video game, reading a book with violence or seeing a violent movie. After the game is over, the book is finished or the movie ends, he has the option of going out to a pawn shop and buying a gun or simply perusing the arsenal his parents have at the house because of the 2nd Amendment. After pumping strangers and frenemies full of hot lead he expects what happened in the game, book, or magazine to happen. It doesn't.

In London, a kid is playing the same violent video game, reading the same book with violence and seeing the same violent movie. After the game is over, the book is finished or the movie ends, he has no option to go buy a gun or loot his parent's arsenal because they have sane gun laws. So there is no pumping strangers and frenemies full of lead.

Kids all over the world are exposed to the same cultural influences. The difference here is that we have the 2nd amendment so there is almost comical access to weaponry.

It just proves you can't fix stupid.

Violence is still rampant in the UK. Guns or no guns.