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[Skull Pilot]

Why Protectionism Doesn’t Pay

Protectionists usually couch their claims in terms of saving particular industries from imports, as with shoes, lumber, and steel pipe. The facts show, however, that tariffs and quotas seldom save jobs for long or preserve the competitiveness of the industry to be “saved.” Meanwhile, of course, the consumer suffers through higher prices.

 

[JoeB131]

Not the case in my business. I don't have any family and my wife's only sister is a very successful CFO ( who BTW regularly works more than 8 hours a day)

You have a real problem with blinders and broad brushes don't you?

But it's OK if you want to be a little unnoticeable cog in a big machine after all we all have to be something

Yeah, and I manage more money in a week than your company makes in a year. Little cogs like you kiss my ass.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Not the case in my business. I don't have any family and my wife's only sister is a very successful CFO ( who BTW regularly works more than 8 hours a day)

You have a real problem with blinders and broad brushes don't you?

But it's OK if you want to be a little unnoticeable cog in a big machine after all we all have to be something

Yeah, and I manage more money in a week than your company makes in a year. Little cogs like you kiss my ass.

It's not your money though is it?

And you could leave or get fired tomorrow (my bet is you get shit canned again) and no one would even know it yeah you're real important.

 

[JoeB131]

It's not your money though is it?

And you could leave or get fired tomorrow (my bet is you get shit canned again) and no one would even know it yeah you're real important.

more likely I'll quit or retire from this company. My main plan is to eventually do my side business full time.

But that's okay, man, I get it. Your a malignant narcissist bully who hates the fact anyone stands up to him.

Hey, guess what. All your employees think you're a complete asshole.

 

[sealybobo]

It would increase production here creating more jobs.

Tariffs artificially raise prices forcing people to spend more than they would therefore they have less money to buy things. less money equals less demand less demand does not equal increased production

Moving production to the US creates jobs. Increased demand for workers increases wages.

Tariffs raise prices on goods I don't know how many times I have to tell you this

Why don't you find some experts that say tariffs make foreign companies relocate their manufacturing plants.

Then bring those manufacturing jobs back inside America and avoid the tariffs. You'll pay more? So what? If your car cost $10K or $11K, would you notice the difference?

How expensive can employees in Detroit or Kentucky be? We have cheap labor in America. Come home and find out!

And even if you have to pay a little more, you won't be paying tariffs or shipping costs to ship from somewhere else to here. Also, when gas goes back up to $4 a gallon, you'll need to be manufacturing here because it'll be too expensive to ship.

It won't happen. Foreign companies will not move their manufacturing here simply because of tariffs.

All that will happen is that we will pay more for everything here and we will be forced to pay higher prices because there will be no competition

Why did Toyota and Honda move here? Why didn't they just ship the cars here?

 

[sealybobo]

Are there tariffs on cars?

You want tariffs I told you what tariffs get the consumer you can believe it or not IDGAF

It would increase production here creating more jobs.

Tariffs artificially raise prices forcing people to spend more than they would therefore they have less money to buy things. less money equals less demand less demand does not equal increased production

Moving production to the US creates jobs. Increased demand for workers increases wages.

And higher wages for workers means they spend more. I have a friend he owns a UPS store. He made a fortune in the 90's because everyone had money in their pockets. He says, "I don't think Americas realize how bad things are today. No one has any money. Everyone is in debt. Everyone is pretending to be middle class when they are borderline broke."

Now Republicans will try to pretend it was Obama who did this to the middle class but we all know better. Even Republicans get it. That's why Donald "bring jobs back home" Trump is their nominee.

But notice which side will immediately start telling us why we can't bring jobs back home? Of course it's the Republican party. The party of NO. If that's what's going to happen, then voters need to vote out the incumbants who tell us no we can't. As Obama said, "yes we can". Unfortunately the GOP said "oh no you can't and no you won't. Not while we are still around".

You assume that foreign manufacturers will move their operations here then show me some proof that it will happen and that it will raise people's incomes

FYI it won't but go ahead and try to find me the proof for your claims

Then don't fucking brag about how much Honda and Toyota pay their workers down south.

 

[sealybobo]

Are there tariffs on cars?

You want tariffs I told you what tariffs get the consumer you can believe it or not IDGAF

It would increase production here creating more jobs.

Tariffs artificially raise prices forcing people to spend more than they would therefore they have less money to buy things. less money equals less demand less demand does not equal increased production

Moving production to the US creates jobs. Increased demand for workers increases wages.

And higher wages for workers means they spend more. I have a friend he owns a UPS store. He made a fortune in the 90's because everyone had money in their pockets. He says, "I don't think Americas realize how bad things are today. No one has any money. Everyone is in debt. Everyone is pretending to be middle class when they are borderline broke."

Now Republicans will try to pretend it was Obama who did this to the middle class but we all know better. Even Republicans get it. That's why Donald "bring jobs back home" Trump is their nominee.

But notice which side will immediately start telling us why we can't bring jobs back home? Of course it's the Republican party. The party of NO. If that's what's going to happen, then voters need to vote out the incumbants who tell us no we can't. As Obama said, "yes we can". Unfortunately the GOP said "oh no you can't and no you won't. Not while we are still around".

You assume that foreign manufacturers will move their operations here then show me some proof that it will happen and that it will raise people's incomes

FYI it won't but go ahead and try to find me the proof for your claims

Luckily for German workers the German government protects their workers and economy. You claim one has nothing to do with the other. That's your big mistake. You've been convinced government. Should butt out

 

[Skull Pilot]

It's not your money though is it?

And you could leave or get fired tomorrow (my bet is you get shit canned again) and no one would even know it yeah you're real important.

more likely I'll quit or retire from this company. My main plan is to eventually do my side business full time.

But that's okay, man, I get it. Your a malignant narcissist bully who hates the fact anyone stands up to him.

Hey, guess what. All your employees think you're a complete asshole.

Stand up to me? Really, internet tough guy?

You don't know any of my employees just like you don't anything period.

But you go ahead and feel important playing with other kids' toys while deluding yourself that you somehow had anything to do with your boss's success

You better run along now and punch that clock little drone

 

[Skull Pilot]

Tariffs artificially raise prices forcing people to spend more than they would therefore they have less money to buy things. less money equals less demand less demand does not equal increased production

Moving production to the US creates jobs. Increased demand for workers increases wages.

Tariffs raise prices on goods I don't know how many times I have to tell you this

Why don't you find some experts that say tariffs make foreign companies relocate their manufacturing plants.

Then bring those manufacturing jobs back inside America and avoid the tariffs. You'll pay more? So what? If your car cost $10K or $11K, would you notice the difference?

How expensive can employees in Detroit or Kentucky be? We have cheap labor in America. Come home and find out!

And even if you have to pay a little more, you won't be paying tariffs or shipping costs to ship from somewhere else to here. Also, when gas goes back up to $4 a gallon, you'll need to be manufacturing here because it'll be too expensive to ship.

It won't happen. Foreign companies will not move their manufacturing here simply because of tariffs.

All that will happen is that we will pay more for everything here and we will be forced to pay higher prices because there will be no competition

Why did Toyota and Honda move here? Why didn't they just ship the cars here?

It had nothing to do with tariffs.

 

[Skull Pilot]

It would increase production here creating more jobs.

Tariffs artificially raise prices forcing people to spend more than they would therefore they have less money to buy things. less money equals less demand less demand does not equal increased production

Moving production to the US creates jobs. Increased demand for workers increases wages.

And higher wages for workers means they spend more. I have a friend he owns a UPS store. He made a fortune in the 90's because everyone had money in their pockets. He says, "I don't think Americas realize how bad things are today. No one has any money. Everyone is in debt. Everyone is pretending to be middle class when they are borderline broke."

Now Republicans will try to pretend it was Obama who did this to the middle class but we all know better. Even Republicans get it. That's why Donald "bring jobs back home" Trump is their nominee.

But notice which side will immediately start telling us why we can't bring jobs back home? Of course it's the Republican party. The party of NO. If that's what's going to happen, then voters need to vote out the incumbants who tell us no we can't. As Obama said, "yes we can". Unfortunately the GOP said "oh no you can't and no you won't. Not while we are still around".

You assume that foreign manufacturers will move their operations here then show me some proof that it will happen and that it will raise people's incomes

FYI it won't but go ahead and try to find me the proof for your claims

Then don't fucking brag about how much Honda and Toyota pay their workers down south.

Where did I do that? It's you people whining that they don't get paid quite what the UAW workers get that we hear all the time

 

[Skull Pilot]

It would increase production here creating more jobs.

Tariffs artificially raise prices forcing people to spend more than they would therefore they have less money to buy things. less money equals less demand less demand does not equal increased production

Moving production to the US creates jobs. Increased demand for workers increases wages.

And higher wages for workers means they spend more. I have a friend he owns a UPS store. He made a fortune in the 90's because everyone had money in their pockets. He says, "I don't think Americas realize how bad things are today. No one has any money. Everyone is in debt. Everyone is pretending to be middle class when they are borderline broke."

Now Republicans will try to pretend it was Obama who did this to the middle class but we all know better. Even Republicans get it. That's why Donald "bring jobs back home" Trump is their nominee.

But notice which side will immediately start telling us why we can't bring jobs back home? Of course it's the Republican party. The party of NO. If that's what's going to happen, then voters need to vote out the incumbants who tell us no we can't. As Obama said, "yes we can". Unfortunately the GOP said "oh no you can't and no you won't. Not while we are still around".

You assume that foreign manufacturers will move their operations here then show me some proof that it will happen and that it will raise people's incomes

FYI it won't but go ahead and try to find me the proof for your claims

Luckily for German workers the German government protects their workers and economy. You claim one has nothing to do with the other. That's your big mistake. You've been convinced government. Should butt out

Where is your proof that tariffs increase income and make foreign companies move?

 

[Brain357]

Moving production to the US creates jobs. Increased demand for workers increases wages.

Tariffs raise prices on goods I don't know how many times I have to tell you this

Why don't you find some experts that say tariffs make foreign companies relocate their manufacturing plants.

Then bring those manufacturing jobs back inside America and avoid the tariffs. You'll pay more? So what? If your car cost $10K or $11K, would you notice the difference?

How expensive can employees in Detroit or Kentucky be? We have cheap labor in America. Come home and find out!

And even if you have to pay a little more, you won't be paying tariffs or shipping costs to ship from somewhere else to here. Also, when gas goes back up to $4 a gallon, you'll need to be manufacturing here because it'll be too expensive to ship.

It won't happen. Foreign companies will not move their manufacturing here simply because of tariffs.

All that will happen is that we will pay more for everything here and we will be forced to pay higher prices because there will be no competition

Why did Toyota and Honda move here? Why didn't they just ship the cars here?

It had nothing to do with tariffs.

How will there be no competition when we have many car companies manufacturing here?

 

[amrchaos]

We see the truth in africa and asia as they haven't yet started to fight for their own rights.

My plan:

Initiate capitalism in africa/asia and eradicate poverty, then families will be rich enough to not send their kids to work.

Your plan:

Initiate liberal regressive gravity reversing legislation in africa/asia, outlawing child labor. Then kids no longer can work, and the families will starve due to lack of resources.

This is why the nickname for a libturd is a retard.

One problem
Capitalism exists in Africa. Many of the communist was overthrown back in the 90s.
In any case, Capitalism by itself will not ensure the citizens will prosper.

They still need something to trade, to sell, to make that others want.

Too bad most of the resources are owned by European countries!!

 

[Rustic]

Socialism = someone else pays the bills till the money runs out... Then a dictatorship is birthed from shit socialism. Lol

 

[Skull Pilot]

Tariffs raise prices on goods I don't know how many times I have to tell you this

Why don't you find some experts that say tariffs make foreign companies relocate their manufacturing plants.

Then bring those manufacturing jobs back inside America and avoid the tariffs. You'll pay more? So what? If your car cost $10K or $11K, would you notice the difference?

How expensive can employees in Detroit or Kentucky be? We have cheap labor in America. Come home and find out!

And even if you have to pay a little more, you won't be paying tariffs or shipping costs to ship from somewhere else to here. Also, when gas goes back up to $4 a gallon, you'll need to be manufacturing here because it'll be too expensive to ship.

It won't happen. Foreign companies will not move their manufacturing here simply because of tariffs.

All that will happen is that we will pay more for everything here and we will be forced to pay higher prices because there will be no competition

Why did Toyota and Honda move here? Why didn't they just ship the cars here?

It had nothing to do with tariffs.

How will there be no competition when we have many car companies manufacturing here?

SO now you're sticking to cars huh?

I already said that is not a good example because we already have foreign car companies with manufacturing plants here

I have been talking about tariffs in general and you are talking about an industry that tariffs will not affect much if at all

You think Tariffs will make foreign manufacturers without facilities here move here. It won't

The fact is tariffs RAISE consumer prices for the products they are placed on because people have no choice but to buy either the more expensive goods already produced here or the artificially inflated prices of the formerly less expensive imports

I have already explained to you more than once why the auto industry is a poor example. There are already foreign manufacturers here so there will be no tariffs on those cars. You cannot place a tariff on cars made by US owned companies in Mexico because they are technically not imports and there's this thing called NAFTA that prevents it. So what cars can you place a tariff on?

 

[Brain357]

Then bring those manufacturing jobs back inside America and avoid the tariffs. You'll pay more? So what? If your car cost $10K or $11K, would you notice the difference?

How expensive can employees in Detroit or Kentucky be? We have cheap labor in America. Come home and find out!

And even if you have to pay a little more, you won't be paying tariffs or shipping costs to ship from somewhere else to here. Also, when gas goes back up to $4 a gallon, you'll need to be manufacturing here because it'll be too expensive to ship.

It won't happen. Foreign companies will not move their manufacturing here simply because of tariffs.

All that will happen is that we will pay more for everything here and we will be forced to pay higher prices because there will be no competition

Why did Toyota and Honda move here? Why didn't they just ship the cars here?

It had nothing to do with tariffs.

How will there be no competition when we have many car companies manufacturing here?

SO now you're sticking to cars huh?

I already said that is not a good example because we already have foreign car companies with manufacturing plants here

I have been talking about tariffs in general and you are talking about an industry that tariffs will not affect much if at all

You think Tariffs will make foreign manufacturers without facilities here move here. It won't

The fact is tariffs RAISE consumer prices for the products they are placed on because people have no choice but to buy either the more expensive goods already produced here or the artificially inflated prices of the formerly less expensive imports

I have already explained to you more than once why the auto industry is a poor example. There are already foreign manufacturers here so there will be no tariffs on those cars. You cannot place a tariff on cars made by US owned companies in Mexico because they are technically not imports and there's this thing called NAFTA that prevents it. So what cars can you place a tariff on?

That shows how wrong you are. It is a good example because we have foreign car companies here. It shows the price won't increase for consumers. And as I showed we are far from 100% of cars made here, so there is room for more.

 

[Skull Pilot]

It won't happen. Foreign companies will not move their manufacturing here simply because of tariffs.

All that will happen is that we will pay more for everything here and we will be forced to pay higher prices because there will be no competition

Why did Toyota and Honda move here? Why didn't they just ship the cars here?

It had nothing to do with tariffs.

How will there be no competition when we have many car companies manufacturing here?

SO now you're sticking to cars huh?

I already said that is not a good example because we already have foreign car companies with manufacturing plants here

I have been talking about tariffs in general and you are talking about an industry that tariffs will not affect much if at all

You think Tariffs will make foreign manufacturers without facilities here move here. It won't

The fact is tariffs RAISE consumer prices for the products they are placed on because people have no choice but to buy either the more expensive goods already produced here or the artificially inflated prices of the formerly less expensive imports

I have already explained to you more than once why the auto industry is a poor example. There are already foreign manufacturers here so there will be no tariffs on those cars. You cannot place a tariff on cars made by US owned companies in Mexico because they are technically not imports and there's this thing called NAFTA that prevents it. So what cars can you place a tariff on?

That shows how wrong you are. It is a good example because we have foreign car companies here. It shows the price won't increase for consumers. And as I showed we are far from 100% of cars made here, so there is room for more.

And how will tariffs ensure enough companies move their manufacturing to this country so that we have 100% domestic manufacturing of everything we need? Most likely foreign countries would retaliate with exorbitant tariffs on US goods

And post some expert testimony that says it will

I have posted multiple sources on the effect of tariffs from economists and even from a Harvard publication but you have not posted anything that supports your claim that high tariffs on foreign goods would make a foreign manufacturer move production to this country

 

[Brain357]

Why did Toyota and Honda move here? Why didn't they just ship the cars here?

It had nothing to do with tariffs.

How will there be no competition when we have many car companies manufacturing here?

SO now you're sticking to cars huh?

I already said that is not a good example because we already have foreign car companies with manufacturing plants here

I have been talking about tariffs in general and you are talking about an industry that tariffs will not affect much if at all

You think Tariffs will make foreign manufacturers without facilities here move here. It won't

The fact is tariffs RAISE consumer prices for the products they are placed on because people have no choice but to buy either the more expensive goods already produced here or the artificially inflated prices of the formerly less expensive imports

I have already explained to you more than once why the auto industry is a poor example. There are already foreign manufacturers here so there will be no tariffs on those cars. You cannot place a tariff on cars made by US owned companies in Mexico because they are technically not imports and there's this thing called NAFTA that prevents it. So what cars can you place a tariff on?

That shows how wrong you are. It is a good example because we have foreign car companies here. It shows the price won't increase for consumers. And as I showed we are far from 100% of cars made here, so there is room for more.

And how will tariffs ensure enough companies move their manufacturing to this country?

And post some expert testimony that says it will

I have posted multiple sources on the effect of tariffs from economists and even from a Harvard publication but you have not posted anything that supports your claim that high tariffs on foreign goods would make a foreign manufacturer move production to this country

It will make the foreign made cars more expensive lowering demand for them and increasing demand for US made cars. They will move or business will move to companies making cars here.

Suddenly you care about expert testimony? That is funny.

 

[Skull Pilot]

It had nothing to do with tariffs.

How will there be no competition when we have many car companies manufacturing here?

SO now you're sticking to cars huh?

I already said that is not a good example because we already have foreign car companies with manufacturing plants here

I have been talking about tariffs in general and you are talking about an industry that tariffs will not affect much if at all

You think Tariffs will make foreign manufacturers without facilities here move here. It won't

The fact is tariffs RAISE consumer prices for the products they are placed on because people have no choice but to buy either the more expensive goods already produced here or the artificially inflated prices of the formerly less expensive imports

I have already explained to you more than once why the auto industry is a poor example. There are already foreign manufacturers here so there will be no tariffs on those cars. You cannot place a tariff on cars made by US owned companies in Mexico because they are technically not imports and there's this thing called NAFTA that prevents it. So what cars can you place a tariff on?

That shows how wrong you are. It is a good example because we have foreign car companies here. It shows the price won't increase for consumers. And as I showed we are far from 100% of cars made here, so there is room for more.

And how will tariffs ensure enough companies move their manufacturing to this country?

And post some expert testimony that says it will

I have posted multiple sources on the effect of tariffs from economists and even from a Harvard publication but you have not posted anything that supports your claim that high tariffs on foreign goods would make a foreign manufacturer move production to this country

It will make the foreign made cars more expensive lowering demand for them and increasing demand for US made cars. They will move or business will move to companies making cars here.

Suddenly you care about expert testimony? That is funny.

So it will force people to pay more for American made cars than they would have paid for a cheaper foreign car with no tariff.

So now what happens? People might still buy the more expensive American car and have less money to spend on something else or they will not buy a new car and instead buy a used one and put off their purchase of a new car indefinitely.

So how does that increase demand? It doesn't. it works the same way with every tariff as I have posted links to support and as of yet you have posted none to support your claims. Why is that?

 

[Skull Pilot]

It had nothing to do with tariffs.

How will there be no competition when we have many car companies manufacturing here?

SO now you're sticking to cars huh?

I already said that is not a good example because we already have foreign car companies with manufacturing plants here

I have been talking about tariffs in general and you are talking about an industry that tariffs will not affect much if at all

You think Tariffs will make foreign manufacturers without facilities here move here. It won't

The fact is tariffs RAISE consumer prices for the products they are placed on because people have no choice but to buy either the more expensive goods already produced here or the artificially inflated prices of the formerly less expensive imports

I have already explained to you more than once why the auto industry is a poor example. There are already foreign manufacturers here so there will be no tariffs on those cars. You cannot place a tariff on cars made by US owned companies in Mexico because they are technically not imports and there's this thing called NAFTA that prevents it. So what cars can you place a tariff on?

That shows how wrong you are. It is a good example because we have foreign car companies here. It shows the price won't increase for consumers. And as I showed we are far from 100% of cars made here, so there is room for more.

And how will tariffs ensure enough companies move their manufacturing to this country?

And post some expert testimony that says it will

I have posted multiple sources on the effect of tariffs from economists and even from a Harvard publication but you have not posted anything that supports your claim that high tariffs on foreign goods would make a foreign manufacturer move production to this country

It will make the foreign made cars more expensive lowering demand for them and increasing demand for US made cars. They will move or business will move to companies making cars here.

Suddenly you care about expert testimony? That is funny.

How many times did you ask me for expert testimony? What's the matter you don't have any this time? I have plenty