9 Old Testament prophecies fulfilled on that first Christmas

[HaShev]

Seriously how lazy is the OP that they can't post the list here?
I see 0 prophecies here in the post, just a link to another site many of us will never click on.
And worse, the title would suggest Jesus fulfilled prophecy of Baal not the OT because Baal was born on Dec 25th and Baal's death scene was plagiarized by the Jesus story.
Proof: The Marduk's Ordeal tablet as the mythology of Bel (Baal).
It sits in The British Museum and you can research it online. The discovery of the tablet was in Nineveh in Assyria, and the Tablet is dated back to 700 B.C.
in which the Babylonian myth of Bel (Baal in
Hebrew) is described in a passion play in which:
(1) Bel is taken prisoner;
(2) Bel is tried in a great hall;
(3) Bel is smitten;
(4) Bel is led away to the Mount (a sacred grove on a
hilltop);
(5) with Bel are taken two malefactors, one of whom is
released;
(6) After Bel has gone to the Mount and is executed,
the city breaks into tumult;
(7) Bel's clothes are carried away;
(8.) Bel goes down into the Mount and disappears from
life;
(9) weeping women seek Bel at the Tomb;
(10) Bel is brought back to life.

That's 10 against your 9 that Jesus is Baal with a new mask, just as the Canaanite mythology of the Morning Star the dying son (morning star) surpasses his father Baal on the throne. Jesus is claimed this lifted higher new mask for Baal in Rev 22:16 and in tradition of calling him Father and son as one or equal or same as this UNAMED father.
Hence the number of his name is now secreted:
Baal Jesus=666 in ASll numerology used to secret numbers from names.

That's cuz you refuse to accept as scripture what you mind cannot grasp.
Mind wanna start with Daniel 70 weeks

Man you are oblivious, try reading
Dan 10:21 and you dare say I don't know scripture? Who else would best know who Lucifer is?
And you've been lied to by habitual & pathological liars. Dan 70 weeks is not about The fictitious Jesus era:
Dan 9

Let's review the Mistake:
The events Daniel is prophecizing already occured before Jesus and the events of the temple you propose occured after Jesus making the correlation impossible even if you avoided history and thought it didn’t occur yet.
Daniel is talking about "an anointed place" and an anointed (King) not THE ANOINTED ONE.
Now to review why these events already occured:

Dan 9: There is a 7-week (49-year) span between the actual destruction of Jerusalem in 586 (beginning the exile and realizing the decree in 538bc to rebuild), and the end of the exile brought about by the arrival of ‘AN’ anointed one not “THE” anointed one . Kings and High Priests were anointed as AN anointed one but not THE anointed one. Thus we must notice the wording is “an anointed one” not “THE” anointed one.

Dan 9:24 says anoint the holy place not an anointed man. Daniel 9:25 says, "from the time the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was issued, until AN annointed one, a ruler, it will be seven weeks". If the decree is indeed sometime around the beginning of the full Exile, 586 b.c.e., then who is the anointed one mentioned? And, GOD already has referred to ruler Cyrus as his Anointed in
Isaiah 45:1: 70 years after the destruction Cyrus rebuilt the Temple in other words it's completion in 516BC
Here's the reference of this ‘70 years’ by the Historian Josephus in Antiquities 11.1.1: Ant. 11.1.1 "In the first year of the reign of Cyrus, which was the seventieth from the day that our people were removed out of their own land into Babylon, God commiserated the captivity and calamity of these poor people, according as he had foretold to them by Jeremiah the prophet, before the destruction of the city, that after they has served Nebuchadnezzar and his posterity, and after they had undergone that SERVITUDE seventy years, he would restore them again to the land of their fathers, and they should build their temple, and enjoy their ancient prosperity; and these things God did afford them."


Daniel 9:26
And after the sixty-two weeks,an anointed one will be cut off,
and there will be nothing to him.
and the people of a ruler who shall come
shall destroy the city and the sanctuary,
and the end of it/him shall be with a flood,,
and, until the end of the war, desolations are decreed.

62 weeks (434 years) leads us to around 152 b.c.e. the time of antiochus desolation and destruction of the temple. The anointed one was the king who was cut off. High Priest Onias III, who was assasinated (cut off) in 171 b.c.e. In 168 b.c.e., the middle of the next "week" of years (171-165 b.c.e.), ruler Antiochus IV (who had Onias killed) pillaged Jerusalem. Antiochus IV matches the "ruler to come",

Now who is the Moshiach?
Dan 12:1-4 says Michael rises to save Israel the same redeemer (HaSheva) who saves
Judah in Jeremiah 23:5-6

Dan CHAPTER TEN Verse 13: But the prince of the kingdom of the Persians resisted me one and twenty days: and behold Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and remained there by the king of the Persians (Cyrus).

**Michael is dealing with Cyrus** thus who is Ezra 1 and Isaiah 44-45 calling LORD AND "REDEEMER" (HaSheva)?

Verse 20: And the angel said: "Do you know where I came from? And now will
*Hashev* Lacham Sar Parac"(HaShev fight the prince of Persia).

Verse 21: But I will tell thee what is set down in the scripture of truth: and none is my helper in all these things, but Michael your prince.

1 Ezra 1:1 it was the Lord who stirred up the spirit of Cyrus.
Isaiah 44:24-28 and 45, the Redeemer caused Cyrus heart to change to do the Moshiach roles of delivering the people gathering them, rebuilding the temple etc.
Dan 10 shows this was Michael HaShev who worked on Cyrus' heart doing all the anointed roles, not Jesus.

 

[HaShev]

And when contorting events to fallaciously fit prophecy the scribes not knowing the Hebrew or meanings in which they tried to fulfill or emulate became hysterical or rediculous errors. Like saying Jesus healed a crippled man when the prophecy is straightening the spiritual bent off the path of righteous.
Jesus cures a blind man when prophecy is lifting the veil to see as in spiritual not physical blind.
Jesus is placed in Isaiah to be prince of peace which was King Hezekiah, the sign for Ahaz as the son who brought
peace to Judah and had his father's kingdom upon his shoulder and God with him in doing so, the fallacious claim this is Jesus who caused thousands of wars and over 50 million murders in his name is like saying Radical Islam is the religion of peace.=epic failed placement.

The writers of the New Testament (moved by the Holy Spirit) were all Jews and fully understood Hebrew. The non redeemed, and not Jesus, murdered 100's of millions of people including many Christ/Bible Believing Christians --- as a means to manipulate and control the masses through man-made religions.

But the Holy Spirit is presently lifting the veils from those who then get SAVED, and the Holy Spirit directs the SAVED along the path of righteous. And the Holy Spirit pushes the SAVED to walk in pursuits they could never have imagined.

When Christ was causing the blind to see, the crippled to walk, and the dead to rise ---- He was illustrating that HE was /is GOD and would continue to work in the hearts of sinful men long after He was caught up into heaven. Christ is still at work today!

Not true when you said:
quote: "The writers of the New Testament (moved by the Holy Spirit) were all Jews"
Church admits none of the apostles wrote the texts in their name.
The writer of
Mathew for example couldn't have been Jewish because when fallaciously placing Jesus into Micah 5 a Jew would know the Hebrew gender was wrong for it being about a Town. A Jew would also know Micah is talking about a lineage "Bethlehem Ephratah" not a town of Bethlehem.
Read the context of Micah 5 it's about a lineage. Bethlehem was the son or grandson of Ephratah. They talk about it being a clan (lineage) not a town.
This is what I mean about comical errors made in placement when they don't know context or language or slang terms of the era. These mistakes reveal a pattern of lying to try and force a square peg in a round hole. But it's no longer comical to se people continue to push the lie after thousands of wars and over 50 million murders. CHRISTIANITY WAS the original radical Islam using a sword to force conversion and land grabs tjat used intimidation, subversion, and outright slaughters.

 

[shimon]

Hmmm... Since the first Christmas was not celebrated till around the third century in the Common Era the OP argument or theory is incredibly weak and considering that it was celebrated on Sol Invictus day in the reign of Constantine gives it even more nonsensical value.....It is not a coincidence that this day was picked and It should also be pointed out that given the propensity of the followers of Christianity to attempt to swallow up other cultures by superseding them by taking their celebrating days for their own it should come as absolutely no surprise that they super imposed their Jesus into Jewish prophecies where he/ it did not belong...Obviously their track record is there many times for this deceitful practise that they should be ashamed of but are not in their arrogance and conceit...Hence the lofty claims for their idol and their continuation in such elaborate nonsense and guile..

 

[shimon]

And when contorting events to fallaciously fit prophecy the scribes not knowing the Hebrew or meanings in which they tried to fulfill or emulate became hysterical or rediculous errors. Like saying Jesus healed a crippled man when the prophecy is straightening the spiritual bent off the path of righteous.
Jesus cures a blind man when prophecy is lifting the veil to see as in spiritual not physical blind.
Jesus is placed in Isaiah to be prince of peace which was King Hezekiah, the sign for Ahaz as the son who brought
peace to Judah and had his father's kingdom upon his shoulder and God with him in doing so, the fallacious claim this is Jesus who caused thousands of wars and over 50 million murders in his name is like saying Radical Islam is the religion of peace.=epic failed placement.

The writers of the New Testament (moved by the Holy Spirit) were all Jews and fully understood Hebrew. The non redeemed, and not Jesus, murdered 100's of millions of people including many Christ/Bible Believing Christians --- as a means to manipulate and control the masses through man-made religions.

But the Holy Spirit is presently lifting the veils from those who then get SAVED, and the Holy Spirit directs the SAVED along the path of righteous. And the Holy Spirit pushes the SAVED to walk in pursuits they could never have imagined.

When Christ was causing the blind to see, the crippled to walk, and the dead to rise ---- He was illustrating that HE was /is GOD and would continue to work in the hearts of sinful men long after He was caught up into heaven. Christ is still at work today!

Not true when you said:
quote: "The writers of the New Testament (moved by the Holy Spirit) were all Jews"
Church admits none of the apostles wrote the texts in their name.
The writer of
Mathew for example couldn't have been Jewish because when fallaciously placing Jesus into Micah 5 a Jew would know the Hebrew gender was wrong for it being about a Town. A Jew would also know Micah is talking about a lineage "Bethlehem Ephratah" not a town of Bethlehem.
Read the context of Micah 5 it's about a lineage. Bethlehem was the son or grandson of Ephratah. They talk about it being a clan (lineage) not a town.
This is what I mean about comical errors made in placement when they don't know context or language or slang terms of the era. These mistakes reveal a pattern of lying to try and force a square peg in a round hole. But it's no longer comical to se people continue to push the lie after thousands of wars and over 50 million murders. CHRISTIANITY WAS the original radical Islam using a sword to force conversion and land grabs tjat used intimidation, subversion, and outright slaughters.

I would like to point out Michael that the threat of purgatory and hell was a powerful one to those who were uneducated and steeped in superstitious lore...The Physical SWORD was not necessarily needed but the mental sWORD of the lying priests and missionaries was usually more then sufficient to sway vast populations of sheeple to bow down to their tall tales and errounous beliefs to give away their lands and their families and anything they held dear...

 

[HaShev]

Mobster like threats to hand over money and authority indeed.
Scare tactics and masking political horn(power) with religious in the name of those culture's gods had the fishies hook line and sinker.

 

[alang1216]

Nine Old Testament Prophecies Fulfilled in Jesus on That First Christmas

I bet there were more.
But this is a good start.

Well to figure the odds type in the number 9 on your calculator and then hit the exclamation point and that should give you the odds.

If Joseph was not Jesus' father how can it be said Jesus is a descendant of King David? In fact the two genealogies are totally irrelevant aren't they?

What difference would my answer matter to someone who doesn’t believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ anywho?

Fair question but I might ask, "What do facts matter to people blinded by their faith?".

I wouldn't know. Given I've made my decision with my eyes wide open.

Really? So you studied other religions, science, and history and came to the rational conclusion that Jesus was the son of God? What was the thought process if faith was not central?

 

[alang1216]

If Joseph was not Jesus' father how can it be said Jesus is a descendant of King David? In fact the two genealogies are totally irrelevant aren't they?

Jesus is a direct descendant of King David through both his adoptive father Joseph and Mary His Jewish mother. And actually today Jews consider their Jewish connection through their mothers.highly.

"Jesus is a direct descendant of King David through [...] Mary His Jewish mother."

I don't recall reading the genealogy of Mary in scripture. Can you provide the source? Thanks.

There are 2 genealogies. One is listed in Matthew (Joseph's), and the other different one is found in Luke (Mary's).

Imaginative and possible but there is no evidence this is true. Like a lot of things in the NT dealing with prophesy it is contorted to fit the facts.

Does GOD say it is contorted or do non-believers in the Messiah say it is contorted?

If the NT is the literal word of God it is He that is doing the contorting. More likely it was the followers of Jesus, trying to appeal to Jews that did the contorting. A prime example is the prophesy that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Jesus was know to come from Nazareth so why would he have been born elsewhere? Two different explanations were being passed around and made it into scripture. Contortion.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus is a direct descendant of King David through both his adoptive father Joseph and Mary His Jewish mother. And actually today Jews consider their Jewish connection through their mothers.highly.

"Jesus is a direct descendant of King David through [...] Mary His Jewish mother."

I don't recall reading the genealogy of Mary in scripture. Can you provide the source? Thanks.

There are 2 genealogies. One is listed in Matthew (Joseph's), and the other different one is found in Luke (Mary's).

Imaginative and possible but there is no evidence this is true. Like a lot of things in the NT dealing with prophesy it is contorted to fit the facts.

Does GOD say it is contorted or do non-believers in the Messiah say it is contorted?

If the NT is the literal word of God it is He that is doing the contorting. More likely it was the followers of Jesus, trying to appeal to Jews that did the contorting. A prime example is the prophesy that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Jesus was know to come from Nazareth so why would he have been born elsewhere? Two different explanations were being passed around and made it into scripture. Contortion.

Jesus was more likely to have been born in Bethlehem of the Galilee, a hillside village in northern Israel, a few kilometers northwest of Nazareth.

 

[alang1216]

"Jesus is a direct descendant of King David through [...] Mary His Jewish mother."

I don't recall reading the genealogy of Mary in scripture. Can you provide the source? Thanks.

There are 2 genealogies. One is listed in Matthew (Joseph's), and the other different one is found in Luke (Mary's).

Imaginative and possible but there is no evidence this is true. Like a lot of things in the NT dealing with prophesy it is contorted to fit the facts.

Does GOD say it is contorted or do non-believers in the Messiah say it is contorted?

If the NT is the literal word of God it is He that is doing the contorting. More likely it was the followers of Jesus, trying to appeal to Jews that did the contorting. A prime example is the prophesy that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Jesus was know to come from Nazareth so why would he have been born elsewhere? Two different explanations were being passed around and made it into scripture. Contortion.

Jesus was more likely to have been born in Bethlehem of the Galilee, a hillside village in northern Israel, a few kilometers northwest of Nazareth.

More likely than what? To have been born in Nazareth, his home? Anything is possible, got any evidence?

 

[hobelim]

There are 2 genealogies. One is listed in Matthew (Joseph's), and the other different one is found in Luke (Mary's).

Imaginative and possible but there is no evidence this is true. Like a lot of things in the NT dealing with prophesy it is contorted to fit the facts.

Does GOD say it is contorted or do non-believers in the Messiah say it is contorted?

If the NT is the literal word of God it is He that is doing the contorting. More likely it was the followers of Jesus, trying to appeal to Jews that did the contorting. A prime example is the prophesy that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Jesus was know to come from Nazareth so why would he have been born elsewhere? Two different explanations were being passed around and made it into scripture. Contortion.

Jesus was more likely to have been born in Bethlehem of the Galilee, a hillside village in northern Israel, a few kilometers northwest of Nazareth.

More likely than what? To have been born in Nazareth, his home? Anything is possible, got any evidence?

"More likely" to have been born in the bethlehem in northern Israel than the one south of Jerusalem.

Evidence?

Don't be silly.

The scriptures say he was born in Bethlehem, not Nazareth, more likely the one in northern Israel because Mary was pregnant and it wasn't far from Nazareth.

 

[alang1216]

Imaginative and possible but there is no evidence this is true. Like a lot of things in the NT dealing with prophesy it is contorted to fit the facts.

Does GOD say it is contorted or do non-believers in the Messiah say it is contorted?

If the NT is the literal word of God it is He that is doing the contorting. More likely it was the followers of Jesus, trying to appeal to Jews that did the contorting. A prime example is the prophesy that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Jesus was know to come from Nazareth so why would he have been born elsewhere? Two different explanations were being passed around and made it into scripture. Contortion.

Jesus was more likely to have been born in Bethlehem of the Galilee, a hillside village in northern Israel, a few kilometers northwest of Nazareth.

More likely than what? To have been born in Nazareth, his home? Anything is possible, got any evidence?

"More likely" to have been born in the bethlehem in northern Israel than the one south of Jerusalem.

Evidence?

Don't be silly.

The scriptures say he was born in Bethlehem, not Nazareth, more likely the one in northern Israel because Mary was pregnant and it wasn't far from Nazareth.

The Messiah was prophesied to be born in THE Bethlehem so that is where the scriptures put Jesus of Nazareth's birth. Getting him there was rather convoluted and contradictory.

 

[HaShev]

Jesus is a direct descendant of King David through both his adoptive father Joseph and Mary His Jewish mother. And actually today Jews consider their Jewish connection through their mothers.highly.

"Jesus is a direct descendant of King David through [...] Mary His Jewish mother."

I don't recall reading the genealogy of Mary in scripture. Can you provide the source? Thanks.

There are 2 genealogies. One is listed in Matthew (Joseph's), and the other different one is found in Luke (Mary's).

Imaginative and possible but there is no evidence this is true. Like a lot of things in the NT dealing with prophesy it is contorted to fit the facts.

Does GOD say it is contorted or do non-believers in the Messiah say it is contorted?

If the NT is the literal word of God it is He that is doing the contorting. More likely it was the followers of Jesus, trying to appeal to Jews that did the contorting. A prime example is the prophesy that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Jesus was know to come from Nazareth so why would he have been born elsewhere? Two different explanations were being passed around and made it into scripture. Contortion.

Worse then that, Micah 5 was a lineage not a town and said "Bethlehem Ephratah"
As in "Bethlehem son of Ephratah" to come out of, not Bethlehem a city. That's why context talks about the clan of this
lineage. And the NT says the Jesus figure's hometown was Capernaum and history shows Nazareth did not yet exist as Roman orders to it's soldiers to build the town are dated 90ad. HaNotzrim(offshoot-cult) and Nazarene(guardians) might have been confused for Nazarite(person from Nazareth) being there are no vowels in Hebrew or through passing stories down the line confusion.
Capernaum sources:
hometown liken to Soddom:
Matthew 4:13
Matthew 11:23
Matthew 17:24
Mark 1:21,2:1 etc.....

 

[hobelim]

Does GOD say it is contorted or do non-believers in the Messiah say it is contorted?

If the NT is the literal word of God it is He that is doing the contorting. More likely it was the followers of Jesus, trying to appeal to Jews that did the contorting. A prime example is the prophesy that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Jesus was know to come from Nazareth so why would he have been born elsewhere? Two different explanations were being passed around and made it into scripture. Contortion.

Jesus was more likely to have been born in Bethlehem of the Galilee, a hillside village in northern Israel, a few kilometers northwest of Nazareth.

More likely than what? To have been born in Nazareth, his home? Anything is possible, got any evidence?

"More likely" to have been born in the bethlehem in northern Israel than the one south of Jerusalem.

Evidence?

Don't be silly.

The scriptures say he was born in Bethlehem, not Nazareth, more likely the one in northern Israel because Mary was pregnant and it wasn't far from Nazareth.

The Messiah was prophesied to be born in THE Bethlehem so that is where the scriptures put Jesus of Nazareth's birth. Getting him there was rather convoluted and contradictory.

If their intention was to "smite the nations", (rev. 19:15), what difference does it make?

 

[tyroneweaver]

Seriously how lazy is the OP that they can't post the list here?
I see 0 prophecies here in the post, just a link to another site many of us will never click on.
And worse, the title would suggest Jesus fulfilled prophecy of Baal not the OT because Baal was born on Dec 25th and Baal's death scene was plagiarized by the Jesus story.
Proof: The Marduk's Ordeal tablet as the mythology of Bel (Baal).
It sits in The British Museum and you can research it online. The discovery of the tablet was in Nineveh in Assyria, and the Tablet is dated back to 700 B.C.
in which the Babylonian myth of Bel (Baal in
Hebrew) is described in a passion play in which:
(1) Bel is taken prisoner;
(2) Bel is tried in a great hall;
(3) Bel is smitten;
(4) Bel is led away to the Mount (a sacred grove on a
hilltop);
(5) with Bel are taken two malefactors, one of whom is
released;
(6) After Bel has gone to the Mount and is executed,
the city breaks into tumult;
(7) Bel's clothes are carried away;
(8.) Bel goes down into the Mount and disappears from
life;
(9) weeping women seek Bel at the Tomb;
(10) Bel is brought back to life.

That's 10 against your 9 that Jesus is Baal with a new mask, just as the Canaanite mythology of the Morning Star the dying son (morning star) surpasses his father Baal on the throne. Jesus is claimed this lifted higher new mask for Baal in Rev 22:16 and in tradition of calling him Father and son as one or equal or same as this UNAMED father.
Hence the number of his name is now secreted:
Baal Jesus=666 in ASll numerology used to secret numbers from names.

That's cuz you refuse to accept as scripture what you mind cannot grasp.
Mind wanna start with Daniel 70 weeks

Man you are oblivious, try reading
Dan 10:21 and you dare say I don't know scripture? Who else would best know who Lucifer is?
And you've been lied to by habitual & pathological liars. Dan 70 weeks is not about The fictitious Jesus era:
Dan 9

Let's review the Mistake:
The events Daniel is prophecizing already occured before Jesus and the events of the temple you propose occured after Jesus making the correlation impossible even if you avoided history and thought it didn’t occur yet.
Daniel is talking about "an anointed place" and an anointed (King) not THE ANOINTED ONE.
Now to review why these events already occured:

Dan 9: There is a 7-week (49-year) span between the actual destruction of Jerusalem in 586 (beginning the exile and realizing the decree in 538bc to rebuild), and the end of the exile brought about by the arrival of ‘AN’ anointed one not “THE” anointed one . Kings and High Priests were anointed as AN anointed one but not THE anointed one. Thus we must notice the wording is “an anointed one” not “THE” anointed one.

Dan 9:24 says anoint the holy place not an anointed man. Daniel 9:25 says, "from the time the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was issued, until AN annointed one, a ruler, it will be seven weeks". If the decree is indeed sometime around the beginning of the full Exile, 586 b.c.e., then who is the anointed one mentioned? And, GOD already has referred to ruler Cyrus as his Anointed in
Isaiah 45:1: 70 years after the destruction Cyrus rebuilt the Temple in other words it's completion in 516BC
Here's the reference of this ‘70 years’ by the Historian Josephus in Antiquities 11.1.1: Ant. 11.1.1 "In the first year of the reign of Cyrus, which was the seventieth from the day that our people were removed out of their own land into Babylon, God commiserated the captivity and calamity of these poor people, according as he had foretold to them by Jeremiah the prophet, before the destruction of the city, that after they has served Nebuchadnezzar and his posterity, and after they had undergone that SERVITUDE seventy years, he would restore them again to the land of their fathers, and they should build their temple, and enjoy their ancient prosperity; and these things God did afford them."


Daniel 9:26
And after the sixty-two weeks,an anointed one will be cut off,
and there will be nothing to him.
and the people of a ruler who shall come
shall destroy the city and the sanctuary,
and the end of it/him shall be with a flood,,
and, until the end of the war, desolations are decreed.

62 weeks (434 years) leads us to around 152 b.c.e. the time of antiochus desolation and destruction of the temple. The anointed one was the king who was cut off. High Priest Onias III, who was assasinated (cut off) in 171 b.c.e. In 168 b.c.e., the middle of the next "week" of years (171-165 b.c.e.), ruler Antiochus IV (who had Onias killed) pillaged Jerusalem. Antiochus IV matches the "ruler to come",

Now who is the Moshiach?
Dan 12:1-4 says Michael rises to save Israel the same redeemer (HaSheva) who saves
Judah in Jeremiah 23:5-6

Dan CHAPTER TEN Verse 13: But the prince of the kingdom of the Persians resisted me one and twenty days: and behold Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and remained there by the king of the Persians (Cyrus).

**Michael is dealing with Cyrus** thus who is Ezra 1 and Isaiah 44-45 calling LORD AND "REDEEMER" (HaSheva)?

Verse 20: And the angel said: "Do you know where I came from? And now will
*Hashev* Lacham Sar Parac"(HaShev fight the prince of Persia).

Verse 21: But I will tell thee what is set down in the scripture of truth: and none is my helper in all these things, but Michael your prince.

1 Ezra 1:1 it was the Lord who stirred up the spirit of Cyrus.
Isaiah 44:24-28 and 45, the Redeemer caused Cyrus heart to change to do the Moshiach roles of delivering the people gathering them, rebuilding the temple etc.
Dan 10 shows this was Michael HaShev who worked on Cyrus' heart doing all the anointed roles, not Jesus.

My dog knows more about Sunday school than you know about the Bible

 

[tyroneweaver]

Nine Old Testament Prophecies Fulfilled in Jesus on That First Christmas

I bet there were more.
But this is a good start.

Well to figure the odds type in the number 9 on your calculator and then hit the exclamation point and that should give you the odds.

If Joseph was not Jesus' father how can it be said Jesus is a descendant of King David? In fact the two genealogies are totally irrelevant aren't they?

Jesus is a direct descendant of King David through both his adoptive father Joseph and Mary His Jewish mother. And actually today Jews consider their Jewish connection through their mothers.highly.

"Jesus is a direct descendant of King David through [...] Mary His Jewish mother."

I don't recall reading the genealogy of Mary in scripture. Can you provide the source? Thanks.

There are 2 genealogies. One is listed in Matthew (Joseph's), and the other different one is found in Luke (Mary's).

Imaginative and possible but there is no evidence this is true. Like a lot of things in the NT dealing with prophesy it is contorted to fit the facts.

Apparently his interpretation is correct b/c He was repeatedly called Jesus thou Son of David

 

[HaShev]

Seriously how lazy is the OP that they can't post the list here?
I see 0 prophecies here in the post, just a link to another site many of us will never click on.
And worse, the title would suggest Jesus fulfilled prophecy of Baal not the OT because Baal was born on Dec 25th and Baal's death scene was plagiarized by the Jesus story.
Proof: The Marduk's Ordeal tablet as the mythology of Bel (Baal).
It sits in The British Museum and you can research it online. The discovery of the tablet was in Nineveh in Assyria, and the Tablet is dated back to 700 B.C.
in which the Babylonian myth of Bel (Baal in
Hebrew) is described in a passion play in which:
(1) Bel is taken prisoner;
(2) Bel is tried in a great hall;
(3) Bel is smitten;
(4) Bel is led away to the Mount (a sacred grove on a
hilltop);
(5) with Bel are taken two malefactors, one of whom is
released;
(6) After Bel has gone to the Mount and is executed,
the city breaks into tumult;
(7) Bel's clothes are carried away;
(8.) Bel goes down into the Mount and disappears from
life;
(9) weeping women seek Bel at the Tomb;
(10) Bel is brought back to life.

That's 10 against your 9 that Jesus is Baal with a new mask, just as the Canaanite mythology of the Morning Star the dying son (morning star) surpasses his father Baal on the throne. Jesus is claimed this lifted higher new mask for Baal in Rev 22:16 and in tradition of calling him Father and son as one or equal or same as this UNAMED father.
Hence the number of his name is now secreted:
Baal Jesus=666 in ASll numerology used to secret numbers from names.

That's cuz you refuse to accept as scripture what you mind cannot grasp.
Mind wanna start with Daniel 70 weeks

Man you are oblivious, try reading
Dan 10:21 and you dare say I don't know scripture? Who else would best know who Lucifer is?
And you've been lied to by habitual & pathological liars. Dan 70 weeks is not about The fictitious Jesus era:
Dan 9

Let's review the Mistake:
The events Daniel is prophecizing already occured before Jesus and the events of the temple you propose occured after Jesus making the correlation impossible even if you avoided history and thought it didn’t occur yet.
Daniel is talking about "an anointed place" and an anointed (King) not THE ANOINTED ONE.
Now to review why these events already occured:

Dan 9: There is a 7-week (49-year) span between the actual destruction of Jerusalem in 586 (beginning the exile and realizing the decree in 538bc to rebuild), and the end of the exile brought about by the arrival of ‘AN’ anointed one not “THE” anointed one . Kings and High Priests were anointed as AN anointed one but not THE anointed one. Thus we must notice the wording is “an anointed one” not “THE” anointed one.

Dan 9:24 says anoint the holy place not an anointed man. Daniel 9:25 says, "from the time the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was issued, until AN annointed one, a ruler, it will be seven weeks". If the decree is indeed sometime around the beginning of the full Exile, 586 b.c.e., then who is the anointed one mentioned? And, GOD already has referred to ruler Cyrus as his Anointed in
Isaiah 45:1: 70 years after the destruction Cyrus rebuilt the Temple in other words it's completion in 516BC
Here's the reference of this ‘70 years’ by the Historian Josephus in Antiquities 11.1.1: Ant. 11.1.1 "In the first year of the reign of Cyrus, which was the seventieth from the day that our people were removed out of their own land into Babylon, God commiserated the captivity and calamity of these poor people, according as he had foretold to them by Jeremiah the prophet, before the destruction of the city, that after they has served Nebuchadnezzar and his posterity, and after they had undergone that SERVITUDE seventy years, he would restore them again to the land of their fathers, and they should build their temple, and enjoy their ancient prosperity; and these things God did afford them."


Daniel 9:26
And after the sixty-two weeks,an anointed one will be cut off,
and there will be nothing to him.
and the people of a ruler who shall come
shall destroy the city and the sanctuary,
and the end of it/him shall be with a flood,,
and, until the end of the war, desolations are decreed.

62 weeks (434 years) leads us to around 152 b.c.e. the time of antiochus desolation and destruction of the temple. The anointed one was the king who was cut off. High Priest Onias III, who was assasinated (cut off) in 171 b.c.e. In 168 b.c.e., the middle of the next "week" of years (171-165 b.c.e.), ruler Antiochus IV (who had Onias killed) pillaged Jerusalem. Antiochus IV matches the "ruler to come",

Now who is the Moshiach?
Dan 12:1-4 says Michael rises to save Israel the same redeemer (HaSheva) who saves
Judah in Jeremiah 23:5-6

Dan CHAPTER TEN Verse 13: But the prince of the kingdom of the Persians resisted me one and twenty days: and behold Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and remained there by the king of the Persians (Cyrus).

**Michael is dealing with Cyrus** thus who is Ezra 1 and Isaiah 44-45 calling LORD AND "REDEEMER" (HaSheva)?

Verse 20: And the angel said: "Do you know where I came from? And now will
*Hashev* Lacham Sar Parac"(HaShev fight the prince of Persia).

Verse 21: But I will tell thee what is set down in the scripture of truth: and none is my helper in all these things, but Michael your prince.

1 Ezra 1:1 it was the Lord who stirred up the spirit of Cyrus.
Isaiah 44:24-28 and 45, the Redeemer caused Cyrus heart to change to do the Moshiach roles of delivering the people gathering them, rebuilding the temple etc.
Dan 10 shows this was Michael HaShev who worked on Cyrus' heart doing all the anointed roles, not Jesus.

My dog knows more about Sunday school than you know about the Bible

I'M GUESSING the same dog that types your ad hominem responses=all bark and no bite?
You just trashed the Bible again: Dan 10:21 says you are wrong, nowhere does it say "muffins"(guessing that's your dogs name)
best knows the scripture of truth.
Do your responses ever use Bible refutation?
Put this wonder dog on, maybe he'll challenge the Bible verses left in these posts, where you refuse to rebut.

 

[HaShev]

9 prophecies fulfilling Jesus as Lucifer.
1)Rev 22:16 Jesus admits being Lucifer(morning star).
2)Isaiah 14:12-17 matches Jesus fall pierced desheveled the earth did quake when the morning star fell.
3)Genesis the serpent (false prophet) promises if you eat from his tree(cross) you will live forever and death has followed that scam ever since the false promise.
Same false promise in the NT upon the character Jesus.
4)The dragon is pierced in Isaiah (the standard of placing him everywhere someone is pierced has to be even throughout= Jesus=the pierced dragon.
5)In Thomas Jesus killed at a mere age of Fiversatan was a murderer since the beginning.
6)Jesus came to both Paul & Constantine
as a Luciferous light.
7)Nazarenes taught of luciferous mystical light between sun and earth as their god not a spiritual light (truth and knowledge).
8)Jesus is proven a plagiarized mythology of Baal esoecially his death scene predated by 600-700 years drpending on which Christ fogure you base Jesus on (he's based on at least 4.
Which brings us to
9 10 11 12Ezekiel 28 calls the son of "perdition"(to fall to the pit) an "image of a man" made perfect and that's what Rome did, they created an image of a man made sinless using lies, mythologies, mixed real figures, Biblical characters plagiarized and stolen roles of major Biblical figures.
Sources: like Ezekiel 28 warned the son of perdition Jesus did fall to the pit by and in the hands of the seas (Rome) for being claimed a god.-Acts 2:27, 1 Peter 3:19 , Apostles creed=Jesus fell to Hades.
Was called the Anointed (Christ)
Cherub(guardian in Hebrew=Nazarene) and made an image of Perfect beauty (sinless). -Ezekiel 28:14-15 warning about Lucifer that even Pastors use to teach about the anti Messiah. aka the Imposter Messiah who comes first claiming to be God.
The only ever prophet to be claimed perfect, messiah and a god is Jesus so only Jesus can be Anti Messiah aka Lucifer the FALLEN ONE.

Testimony of former
morning star worshipers
Jesus was Lucifer

 

[alang1216]

If Joseph was not Jesus' father how can it be said Jesus is a descendant of King David? In fact the two genealogies are totally irrelevant aren't they?

Jesus is a direct descendant of King David through both his adoptive father Joseph and Mary His Jewish mother. And actually today Jews consider their Jewish connection through their mothers.highly.

"Jesus is a direct descendant of King David through [...] Mary His Jewish mother."

I don't recall reading the genealogy of Mary in scripture. Can you provide the source? Thanks.

There are 2 genealogies. One is listed in Matthew (Joseph's), and the other different one is found in Luke (Mary's).

Imaginative and possible but there is no evidence this is true. Like a lot of things in the NT dealing with prophesy it is contorted to fit the facts.

Apparently his interpretation is correct b/c He was repeatedly called Jesus thou Son of David

Was He repeatedly called Jesus thou Son of David during his life or only after his death? What do you want to bet anyone can trace their lineage back to King David if they are creative enough.

The point remains, there are two different, rather fanciful stories, on how Jesus came to be born in Bethlehem. If you look to the Bible for history you will be disappointed, it is a theological text.

 

[RWNJ]

Nine Old Testament Prophecies Fulfilled in Jesus on That First Christmas

I bet there were more.
But this is a good start.

Well to figure the odds type in the number 9 on your calculator and then hit the exclamation point and that should give you the odds.

If Joseph was not Jesus' father how can it be said Jesus is a descendant of King David? In fact the two genealogies are totally irrelevant aren't they?

Nine Old Testament Prophecies Fulfilled in Jesus on That First Christmas

I bet there were more.
But this is a good start.

Well to figure the odds type in the number 9 on your calculator and then hit the exclamation point and that should give you the odds.

If Joseph was not Jesus' father how can it be said Jesus is a descendant of King David? In fact the two genealogies are totally irrelevant aren't they?

Your ignorance is appalling. There are two genealogies, true. One is for Mary, and one is for Joseph. And Joseph was not the father of Christ. It is interesting to note that this was by design. You see, one of Joseph's ancestors disobeyed God. God told him that for his sin, the Savior would not come from his line. Another prophecy fulfilled.

 

[ding]

Nine Old Testament Prophecies Fulfilled in Jesus on That First Christmas

I bet there were more.
But this is a good start.

Well to figure the odds type in the number 9 on your calculator and then hit the exclamation point and that should give you the odds.

If Joseph was not Jesus' father how can it be said Jesus is a descendant of King David? In fact the two genealogies are totally irrelevant aren't they?

I wondered the same thing. But then I discovered that Mary was a descendant of David. That is how Jesus is a descendant of King David. Look it up. It's in the Bible.