97% of climatologists believe in man-made global warming

[Tech_Esq]

January 2009 average extent compared to past Januaries

Average ice extent for January 2009 was the sixth lowest in the satellite record. January 2006 had the lowest ice extent for the month; January 2005 claims second place; and January 2007 is in third place. Including 2009, the downward linear trend in January ice extent stands at -3.1% per decade.
Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

So in other words, Jan. 09 was better than Jan. 05 or Jan. 06 even though CO2 emmissions have increased drastically. Go figure......

Which tend to prove the current theory that CO2 is not a leading indicator of higher temps but a trailing indicator. In other words higher temps cause more CO2 not more CO2 causes higher temps.

 

[Chris]

January 2009 average extent compared to past Januaries

Average ice extent for January 2009 was the sixth lowest in the satellite record. January 2006 had the lowest ice extent for the month; January 2005 claims second place; and January 2007 is in third place. Including 2009, the downward linear trend in January ice extent stands at -3.1% per decade.
Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

So in other words, Jan. 09 was better than Jan. 05 or Jan. 06 even though CO2 emmissions have increased drastically. Go figure......

Which tend to prove the current theory that CO2 is not a leading indicator of higher temps but a trailing indicator. In other words higher temps cause more CO2 not more CO2 causes higher temps.

CO2 causes the earth to retain heat. We have increased CO2 by 40% in the last 200 years. Therefore, we have warmed the earth.

Are there other factors involved in climate? Of course!.......the sun's radiation, the earth's orbit, the eruption of volcanoes, etc.

But the people who study the sun say that the sun alone cannot account for the increased temperatures we have seen in the last 50 years.

 

[Andrew2382]

So in other words, Jan. 09 was better than Jan. 05 or Jan. 06 even though CO2 emmissions have increased drastically. Go figure......

Which tend to prove the current theory that CO2 is not a leading indicator of higher temps but a trailing indicator. In other words higher temps cause more CO2 not more CO2 causes higher temps.

CO2 causes the earth to retain heat. We have increased CO2 by 40% in the last 200 years. Therefore, we have warmed the earth.

Are there other factors involved in climate? Of course!.......the sun's radiation, the earth's orbit, the eruption of volcanoes, etc.

But the people who study the sun say that the sun alone cannot account for the increased temperatures we have seen in the last 50 years.

why would a fireball 3 million times the size of earth have any effect on tempature

 

[KittenKoder]

Which tend to prove the current theory that CO2 is not a leading indicator of higher temps but a trailing indicator. In other words higher temps cause more CO2 not more CO2 causes higher temps.

CO2 causes the earth to retain heat. We have increased CO2 by 40% in the last 200 years. Therefore, we have warmed the earth.

Are there other factors involved in climate? Of course!.......the sun's radiation, the earth's orbit, the eruption of volcanoes, etc.

But the people who study the sun say that the sun alone cannot account for the increased temperatures we have seen in the last 50 years.

why would a fireball 3 million times the size of earth have any effect on tempature

Haven't you heard, there's a new thing the environutty scientists discovered, space is too cold to let all that radiation through.



*sarcasm, in case you don't notice*

 

[Chris]

Here is a good summary of solar vs CO2 from the Stanford Solar Center scientists......

Global Warming -- Research Issues

 

[KittenKoder]

You forced me to do this:
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http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=382578B02EFAE637 Can't seem to get those to work right.
Found the typo.

 

[Chris]

 

[KittenKoder]

Chris didn't watch the vids ... figures.

 

[Tech_Esq]

So in other words, Jan. 09 was better than Jan. 05 or Jan. 06 even though CO2 emmissions have increased drastically. Go figure......

Which tend to prove the current theory that CO2 is not a leading indicator of higher temps but a trailing indicator. In other words higher temps cause more CO2 not more CO2 causes higher temps.

CO2 causes the earth to retain heat. We have increased CO2 by 40% in the last 200 years. Therefore, we have warmed the earth.

Are there other factors involved in climate? Of course!.......the sun's radiation, the earth's orbit, the eruption of volcanoes, etc.

But the people who study the sun say that the sun alone cannot account for the increased temperatures we have seen in the last 50 years.

Nope, CO2 is a trailing indicator of temperature. That's why it has been getting cooler for the last 10 years and CO2 is continuing to increase. In DC for instance, it's the coldest winter in 13 years and we're just entering the coldest month.

Face it, your side got it ass-backward. Now be a man and admit it.

 

[JohnStOnge]

CO2 causes the earth to retain heat. That is not a theory, that is a provable fact. .

It is not. Even the IPCC concedes that.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well no, no one concedes that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas. Tyndale explained how it works about 150 years ago.




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Global warming:If CO2 already absorbs all of the relevant IR radiation,how is more CO2 going to warm the Earth?
In Wikipedia under "Greenhouse Effect" there is a chart on the right that shows the various wavelengths of radiation that various greenhouse gasses absorb. The Wavelengths that CO2 absorb are already being absorbed 100%. So what if we've added 30% more CO2 to the atmosphere. It can't absorb 130% of the radiation. 100% is all there is. So the CO2 at the top of the atmosphere radiate out into space, and everything below that is a closed system. Right?
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Good question. What you're saying relies upon an extremely common misconception about how the greenhouse effect actually works. Most simple physics explanations say that CO2 "traps" energy in the atmosphere like a net and produces a warming effect, which is quite wrong. What CO2 actually does is raise the atmosphere's effective radiating altitude to a higher layer of the atmosphere. (The wikipedia article actually explains the effect very well, but it's a little difficult to understand so I'll try and simplify it.)

Earth's atmosphere doesn't act as a single unit, but is made up of hundreds of different layers. Some of the energy radiated from Earth's surface is absorbed by the greenhouse gases in each of these layers. The energy is then re-radiated in a random direction, but on average we can say that the energy is moving "up" or "down." The atmosphere gets thinner as you go higher, so eventually the radiation will reach a layer high enough and thin enough to escape to space.

If you increase the concentration of a greenhouse gas, such as carbon dioxide, in the atmosphere, the thin upper layers will become more opaque and thus absorb more of the outgoing terrestrial energy; therefore the place where the majority of the energy finally escapes moves to a higher level. These higher levels are much colder, and so they do not radiate heat so well. Thus the rate that radiation escapes to space is lower, and the planet will take in more than it radiates. As the higher levels emit some of the excess downwards, the lower levels will warm all the way down to the surface.

The imbalance will remain until the higher levels get hot enough to radiate as much energy back out as the planet is receiving.

19th century physicist John Tyndall described the logic fairly neatly like so:

"As a dam built across a river causes a local deepening of the stream, so our atmosphere, thrown as a barrier across the terrestrial (infrared) rays, produces a local heightening of the temperature at Earth's surface."

Using the analogy from Tyndall above, we can see that adding more CO2 is like building the dam taller. And just in the same way that adding height to a dam will always make the stream deeper, adding CO2 to the atmosphere will always make the planet warmer.
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Greenhouse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...

http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report....com/question/index?qid=20081124111424AAZ2UvZ


http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/arc...

 

[Zoomie1980]

(CNN) -- Human-induced global warming is real, according to a recent U.S. survey based on the opinions of 3,146 scientists. However there remains divisions between climatologists and scientists from other areas of earth sciences as to the extent of human responsibility.

A survey of more than 3,000 scientists found that the vast majority believe humans cause global warming.

Against a backdrop of harsh winter weather across much of North America and Europe, the concept of rising global temperatures might seem incongruous.

However the results of the investigation conducted at the end of 2008 reveal that vast majority of the Earth scientists surveyed agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.

The study released today was conducted by academics from the University of Illinois, who used an online questionnaire of nine questions. The scientists approached were listed in the 2007 edition of the American Geological Institute's Directory of Geoscience Departments.

Two questions were key: Have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures?

About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.

The strongest consensus on the causes of global warming came from climatologists who are active in climate research, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role.

Surveyed scientists agree global warming is real - CNN.com

Junk science.

2005-6 saw the coldest winter in recorded history in eastern Europe and Russia, colder than even the 1941-42 winter that stopped the Wehrmacht in its tracks.

2006-7 saw the coldest winter in China since 1966-67 and the coldest in the Central plains of the US since 1977-79

2007-8 saw and even colder winter in N. America

So far Florida has suffered its coldest January in its 150+ year recorded history.

Glaciers on Kilimanjaro and throughout China are growing again as are ones on Mt. Hood and Rainier and the other Cascade peaks.

Global cooling since 2005 has completely wiped out 100 years of warming (.7 C since 1900, wiped out in three short years).

 

[Old Rocks]

(CNN) -- Human-induced global warming is real, according to a recent U.S. survey based on the opinions of 3,146 scientists. However there remains divisions between climatologists and scientists from other areas of earth sciences as to the extent of human responsibility.

A survey of more than 3,000 scientists found that the vast majority believe humans cause global warming.

Against a backdrop of harsh winter weather across much of North America and Europe, the concept of rising global temperatures might seem incongruous.

However the results of the investigation conducted at the end of 2008 reveal that vast majority of the Earth scientists surveyed agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.

The study released today was conducted by academics from the University of Illinois, who used an online questionnaire of nine questions. The scientists approached were listed in the 2007 edition of the American Geological Institute's Directory of Geoscience Departments.

Two questions were key: Have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures?

About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.

The strongest consensus on the causes of global warming came from climatologists who are active in climate research, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role.

Surveyed scientists agree global warming is real - CNN.com

Junk science.

2005-6 saw the coldest winter in recorded history in eastern Europe and Russia, colder than even the 1941-42 winter that stopped the Wehrmacht in its tracks.

2006-7 saw the coldest winter in China since 1966-67 and the coldest in the Central plains of the US since 1977-79

2007-8 saw and even colder winter in N. America

So far Florida has suffered its coldest January in its 150+ year recorded history.

Glaciers on Kilimanjaro and throughout China are growing again as are ones on Mt. Hood and Rainier and the other Cascade peaks.

Global cooling since 2005 has completely wiped out 100 years of warming (.7 C since 1900, wiped out in three short years).

Good God, what a crock! Eight of the ten warmest years on record are since 2000. And the other two were 1997 and 1998.
Top 11 Warmest Years On Record Have All Been In Last 13 Years

 

[Old Rocks]

(CNN) -- Human-induced global warming is real, according to a recent U.S. survey based on the opinions of 3,146 scientists. However there remains divisions between climatologists and scientists from other areas of earth sciences as to the extent of human responsibility.

A survey of more than 3,000 scientists found that the vast majority believe humans cause global warming.

Against a backdrop of harsh winter weather across much of North America and Europe, the concept of rising global temperatures might seem incongruous.

However the results of the investigation conducted at the end of 2008 reveal that vast majority of the Earth scientists surveyed agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.

The study released today was conducted by academics from the University of Illinois, who used an online questionnaire of nine questions. The scientists approached were listed in the 2007 edition of the American Geological Institute's Directory of Geoscience Departments.

Two questions were key: Have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures?

About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.

The strongest consensus on the causes of global warming came from climatologists who are active in climate research, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role.

Surveyed scientists agree global warming is real - CNN.com

Junk science.

2005-6 saw the coldest winter in recorded history in eastern Europe and Russia, colder than even the 1941-42 winter that stopped the Wehrmacht in its tracks.

2006-7 saw the coldest winter in China since 1966-67 and the coldest in the Central plains of the US since 1977-79

2007-8 saw and even colder winter in N. America

So far Florida has suffered its coldest January in its 150+ year recorded history.

Glaciers on Kilimanjaro and throughout China are growing again as are ones on Mt. Hood and Rainier and the other Cascade peaks.

Global cooling since 2005 has completely wiped out 100 years of warming (.7 C since 1900, wiped out in three short years).

Man, have you even looked at the real data on glaciers? Do you know how to use the internet at all? Or are you just a born liar? Here is real data on the state of the glaciers worldwide;
Glaciers : Weather Underground

 

[Old Rocks]

Sunday, 16 March 2008

Glaciers suffer record shrinkage

Some glaciers in Europe have suffered significant losses
Image: Glaciers Online
Jurg Alean
The rate at which some of the world's glaciers are melting has more than doubled, data from the United Nations Environment Programme has shown.
Average glacial shrinkage has risen from 30 centimetres per year between 1980 and 1999, to 1.5 metres in 2006.
Some of the biggest losses have occurred in the Alps and Pyrenees mountain ranges in Europe.
Experts have called for "immediate action" to reverse the trend, which is seen as a key climate change indicator.
Estimates for 2006 indicate shrinkage of 1.4 metres of 'water equivalent' compared to half a metre in 2005.
Achim Steiner, Under-Secretary General of the UN and executive director of its environment programme (UNEP), said: "Millions if not billions of people depend directly or indirectly on these natural water storage facilities for drinking water, agriculture, industry and power generation during key parts of the year.
"There are many canaries emerging in the climate change coal mine. The glaciers are perhaps among those making the most noise and it is absolutely essential that everyone sits up and takes notice.
Litmus test
He said that action was already being taken and pointed out that the elements of a green economy were emerging from the more the money invested in renewable energies.
Mr Steiner went on: "The litmus test will come in late 2009 at the climate convention meeting in Copenhagen.
"Here governments must agree on a decisive new emissions reduction and adaptation-focused regime. Otherwise, and like the glaciers, our room for manoeuvre and the opportunity to act may simply melt away."
Dr Ian Willis, of the Scott Polar Research Institute, said: "It is not too late to stop the shrinkage of these ice sheets but we need to take action immediately."
The findings were compiled by the World Glacier Monitoring Service which is supported by UNEP. Thickening and thinning is calculated in terms of 'water equivalent'.
Glaciers across nine mountain ranges were analysed.

Glaciers have been monitored for more than a century
Image: Glaciers Online
Jurg Alean
Dr. Wilfried Haeberli, director of the service, said: "The latest figures are part of what appears to be an accelerating trend with no apparent end in sight.
"This continues the trend in accelerated ice loss during the past two and a half decades and brings the total loss since 1980 to more than 10.5 metres of water equivalent."
During 1980-1999, average loss rates had been 0.3 metres per year. Since the turn of the millennium, this rate had increased to about half a metre per year.
The record annual loss during these two decades - 0.7 metres in 1998 - has now been exceeded by three out of the past six year (2003, 2004 and 2006).
On average, one metre water equivalent corresponds to 1.1 metres in ice thickness. That suggests a further shrinking in 2006 of 1.5 actual metres and since 1980 a total reduction in thickness of ice of just over 11.5 metres or almost 38 feet.
In its entirety, the research includes figures from around 100 glaciers, with data showing significant shrinkage taking place in European countries including Austria, Norway, Sweden, Italy, Spain and Switzerland.
Norway's Breidalblikkbrea glacier thinned by almost 3.1 metres in one of the largest reductions.

    Melting glaciers Tibet, Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Argentina, Himalayas, Kilimanjaro, Mt Rainier, Cascades, Alaska, US... Fastest area of glacial retreat      Soot ice melt, glaciers turn desert      The WE News Archives      

 

[Zoomie1980]

(CNN) -- Human-induced global warming is real, according to a recent U.S. survey based on the opinions of 3,146 scientists. However there remains divisions between climatologists and scientists from other areas of earth sciences as to the extent of human responsibility.

A survey of more than 3,000 scientists found that the vast majority believe humans cause global warming.

Against a backdrop of harsh winter weather across much of North America and Europe, the concept of rising global temperatures might seem incongruous.

However the results of the investigation conducted at the end of 2008 reveal that vast majority of the Earth scientists surveyed agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.

The study released today was conducted by academics from the University of Illinois, who used an online questionnaire of nine questions. The scientists approached were listed in the 2007 edition of the American Geological Institute's Directory of Geoscience Departments.

Two questions were key: Have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures?

About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.

The strongest consensus on the causes of global warming came from climatologists who are active in climate research, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role.

Surveyed scientists agree global warming is real - CNN.com

Junk science.

2005-6 saw the coldest winter in recorded history in eastern Europe and Russia, colder than even the 1941-42 winter that stopped the Wehrmacht in its tracks.

2006-7 saw the coldest winter in China since 1966-67 and the coldest in the Central plains of the US since 1977-79

2007-8 saw and even colder winter in N. America

So far Florida has suffered its coldest January in its 150+ year recorded history.

Glaciers on Kilimanjaro and throughout China are growing again as are ones on Mt. Hood and Rainier and the other Cascade peaks.

Global cooling since 2005 has completely wiped out 100 years of warming (.7 C since 1900, wiped out in three short years).

Man, have you even looked at the real data on glaciers? Do you know how to use the internet at all? Or are you just a born liar? Here is real data on the state of the glaciers worldwide;
Glaciers : Weather Underground

Underground's data is woefully incomplete and obsolete. NOAA is run by a warming zealot and it's data has long been rendered useless, relying almost solely on "urbanized" reporting stations and complete ignoring rural located stations.

Global Warming is a complete and utter SHAM.

I live in Nebraska and we have 3 top ten cold winters now since 2005. Hit -16 this year, the coldest since 1992. 11 days below zero, the most since 1983, average is four. Crop losses to frost in Florida, Texas and California have hit records every winter since 2005.

Warming is a MYTH, a JOKE and JUNK science, especially since the bulk of the "science" has been rendered USELESS due to complete politicization of the entire field.

We are in and extended period of COOLING, can't help it if that doesn't jibe with your Al Gore based lunacy....

 

[Meister]

I can't believe this thread is still going on, and not one mind has changed since it started. Each side has there own sites that gives the results that they want. All the research is paid by some grant, institute, government, etc. All want the results to lean toward what they desire. All the research comes back to reflect this fact. So go on, keep up this thread going with bias views. I don't need to know what site says what. I don't need to know that my sites are full of crock, and I know nothing at all about this, and I don't want to give where I got my information. You wouldn't believe them anyway. It's not gloom and doom. The sea levels aren't going to rise 50ft over the next 100 years. Life as we know isn't going to change over the next 200 years, except for technology. This earth isn't facing anything that it hasn't seen 1,000+ times before. It always swings back, as it's doing now. There has been much more CO2 in the atmosphere than now, and will have more in the future, as it will have less in the future, with or without Man. The world is not in its End Days, it's just in one of its cycles. OK kids, go ahead and bash this post all to hell, and tell me I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Have fun with it...or not.

 

[jreeves]

We are at the bottom of the solar cycle and the Southern Oscillation.

You can read about it at this link....

Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2007 Summation

From your article...Chrissy pants...
Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2007 Summation
Solar irradiance will still be on or near its flat-bottomed minimum in 2008.

Which means, the solar cycle would be on the upcycle in 2009, yet more ice cover in 2009 than 2008. Despite an increased CO2 concentration.

Not necessarily.

If it flat bottomed in 2008 the only logical conclusion would be an upcycle in 2009. If you want to deny go ahead but a resonable mind could only come to that conclusion. Therefore, with the solar cycle on an upswing and CO2 concentrations rising the ice cover increased.

 

[Chris]

From your article...Chrissy pants...
Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2007 Summation
Solar irradiance will still be on or near its flat-bottomed minimum in 2008.

Which means, the solar cycle would be on the upcycle in 2009, yet more ice cover in 2009 than 2008. Despite an increased CO2 concentration.

Not necessarily.

If it flat bottomed in 2008 the only logical conclusion would be an upcycle in 2009. If you want to deny go ahead but a resonable mind could only come to that conclusion. Therefore, with the solar cycle on an upswing and CO2 concentrations rising the ice cover increased.

It takes several years for the solar cycle to upswing.

Keep trying.

 

[KittenKoder]

*ponders posting the P&T vid again*

Seriously, jump off the band wagon ... they don't really care about you ... they just want your money ... there is no real threat to the planet.