A great example of why socialism is better than "charity"

[Tommy Tainant]

But they have paid - that is the point of socialism.

No, the point of socialism is that they HAVEN'T paid, and they don't want to. Socialism is about making someone ELSE pay.

They have paid through their taxes. What part of that is so complicated ?

Through force and violence which is why the UK is a backwards failed society

What force and violence. People voted in a landslide to elect a socialist government to introduce the NHS and make their world better. Not one political party would be stupid enough to propose an American style mess of a system.

When people vote for government to violate the rights of others it is still force and violence.

You are off with the fairies mate. What rights were violated ?

 

[boedicca]

But they have paid - that is the point of socialism.

No, the point of socialism is that they HAVEN'T paid, and they don't want to. Socialism is about making someone ELSE pay.

They have paid through their taxes. What part of that is so complicated ?

Through force and violence which is why the UK is a backwards failed society

What force and violence. People voted in a landslide to elect a socialist government to introduce the NHS and make their world better. Not one political party would be stupid enough to propose an American style mess of a system.

When people vote for government to violate the rights of others it is still force and violence.

When criminals get enough power, they always pass laws to make their crimes legal. It's happened throughout history.

 

[Soupnazi630]

No, the point of socialism is that they HAVEN'T paid, and they don't want to. Socialism is about making someone ELSE pay.

They have paid through their taxes. What part of that is so complicated ?

Through force and violence which is why the UK is a backwards failed society

What force and violence. People voted in a landslide to elect a socialist government to introduce the NHS and make their world better. Not one political party would be stupid enough to propose an American style mess of a system.

When people vote for government to violate the rights of others it is still force and violence.

You are off with the fairies mate. What rights were violated ?

Property rights and I am correct which you admit by dropping taunts rather than an intelligent refutation

 

[Soupnazi630]

No, the point of socialism is that they HAVEN'T paid, and they don't want to. Socialism is about making someone ELSE pay.

They have paid through their taxes. What part of that is so complicated ?

Through force and violence which is why the UK is a backwards failed society

What force and violence. People voted in a landslide to elect a socialist government to introduce the NHS and make their world better. Not one political party would be stupid enough to propose an American style mess of a system.

When people vote for government to violate the rights of others it is still force and violence.

When criminals get enough power, they always pass laws to make their crimes legal. It's happened throughout history.

Every thing the Nazis did was legal

 

[bodecea]

Christian homeless shelter defends decision to turn away trans woman

A Christian homeless shelter in Alaska has defended turning away a homeless transgender woman on a cold January evening.

The Downtown Hope Center shelter in Anchorage, Alaska, is under investigation from the city’s Equal Rights Commission after a vulnerable homeless trans woman with nowhere to sleep was denied access into the women’s shelter.
Police had dropped the unnamed woman, identified as Jessie Doe, at the overnight shelter in January 2018—but twice in two days she was turned away by staff.

The average overnight January temperature in Anchorage, Alaska, is -12° Celsius (9° Fahrenheit).

Here is a "charity" that picks those it helps by criteria other than need. The US needs more socialism so that less people freeze on Winters nights. So does the UK for that matter. .

Sad to say....with the state of christianity in the U.S. today, this is not at all surprising.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Christian homeless shelter defends decision to turn away trans woman

A Christian homeless shelter in Alaska has defended turning away a homeless transgender woman on a cold January evening.

The Downtown Hope Center shelter in Anchorage, Alaska, is under investigation from the city’s Equal Rights Commission after a vulnerable homeless trans woman with nowhere to sleep was denied access into the women’s shelter.
Police had dropped the unnamed woman, identified as Jessie Doe, at the overnight shelter in January 2018—but twice in two days she was turned away by staff.

The average overnight January temperature in Anchorage, Alaska, is -12° Celsius (9° Fahrenheit).

Here is a "charity" that picks those it helps by criteria other than need. The US needs more socialism so that less people freeze on Winters nights. So does the UK for that matter. .

Sad to say....with the state of christianity in the U.S. today, this is not at all surprising.

Ot is due to failed entitlements programs not due to charity

 

[Tommy Tainant]

They have paid through their taxes. What part of that is so complicated ?

Through force and violence which is why the UK is a backwards failed society

What force and violence. People voted in a landslide to elect a socialist government to introduce the NHS and make their world better. Not one political party would be stupid enough to propose an American style mess of a system.

When people vote for government to violate the rights of others it is still force and violence.

You are off with the fairies mate. What rights were violated ?

Property rights and I am correct which you admit by dropping taunts rather than an intelligent refutation

What property rights ?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Through force and violence which is why the UK is a backwards failed society

What force and violence. People voted in a landslide to elect a socialist government to introduce the NHS and make their world better. Not one political party would be stupid enough to propose an American style mess of a system.

When people vote for government to violate the rights of others it is still force and violence.

You are off with the fairies mate. What rights were violated ?

Property rights and I am correct which you admit by dropping taunts rather than an intelligent refutation

What property rights ?

The right to ones own income and property and the disposal of it as one sees fit.

 

[boedicca]

Indeed.

Judgment at Nuremberg - Infogalactic: the planetary knowledge core

 

[Tommy Tainant]

What force and violence. People voted in a landslide to elect a socialist government to introduce the NHS and make their world better. Not one political party would be stupid enough to propose an American style mess of a system.

When people vote for government to violate the rights of others it is still force and violence.

You are off with the fairies mate. What rights were violated ?

Property rights and I am correct which you admit by dropping taunts rather than an intelligent refutation

What property rights ?

The right to ones own income and property and the disposal of it as one sees fit.

Thats nonsense. A democratically elected government has the right to set budgets in line with its electoral mandate.

 

[Soupnazi630]

When people vote for government to violate the rights of others it is still force and violence.

You are off with the fairies mate. What rights were violated ?

Property rights and I am correct which you admit by dropping taunts rather than an intelligent refutation

What property rights ?

The right to ones own income and property and the disposal of it as one sees fit.

Thats nonsense. A democratically elected government has the right to set budgets in line with its electoral mandate.

No one said anything about budgets we we're were discussing the taxation of people which is by definition force and violence even if voted on

This is why the UK system is a massive fail no matter how you try tonevsde and dodge as you just did.

 

[bodecea]

Christian homeless shelter defends decision to turn away trans woman

A Christian homeless shelter in Alaska has defended turning away a homeless transgender woman on a cold January evening.

The Downtown Hope Center shelter in Anchorage, Alaska, is under investigation from the city’s Equal Rights Commission after a vulnerable homeless trans woman with nowhere to sleep was denied access into the women’s shelter.
Police had dropped the unnamed woman, identified as Jessie Doe, at the overnight shelter in January 2018—but twice in two days she was turned away by staff.

The average overnight January temperature in Anchorage, Alaska, is -12° Celsius (9° Fahrenheit).

Here is a "charity" that picks those it helps by criteria other than need. The US needs more socialism so that less people freeze on Winters nights. So does the UK for that matter. .

Sad to say....with the state of christianity in the U.S. today, this is not at all surprising.

Interesting read I just saw:

i’ve always thought that I was a Christian.
I’ve simply assumed that since I believed myself to be and strived to be, that this was enough. Though I’ve devoted my days to emulating Jesus and to reflecting his character in the world, this seems to have been a woefully errant path leading me far afield of righteousness.

Over recent years I’ve spent countless hours debating with those who contest my claims of faith; self-professed believers who debate my authenticity, my theology, my conduct, my motivations. They make dire assessments of both my moral worth and my eternal destination, chastising and condemning with great conviction.

It’s difficult to quantify just how much time and energy and mental bandwidth I’ve expended attempting to justify inclusion in their heavily fortified faith fraternity and to prove my personal spirituality valid and genuine in their eyes.

But these days I’m looking at what alleges to be Christianity in my country and I’m now almost certain that I was wrong about myself all along.

Maybe I’m not a Christian after all.

Over the past two years, as our American political process unfolded, and as respected and high-profile evangelists and preachers and Christian speakers endorsed candidates and took to social media with ever more bigoted, hateful, alarmist claims—and as millions of pledged Jesus followers gleefully rushed to celebrate and defend and accompany them in their crusades, I’ve come to find myself estranged; pushed to the furthest periphery of “God’s people”. And it’s only gotten worse as this Presidency has wound on.

And I think it’s my fault. I think I’ve been deceived.

You see, I’d been led to believe that the greatest spiritual aspirations I could ever have, were to love God and to love others as I desired to be loved; fully, sacrificially and without condition. I must have been mistaken, because that doesn’t seem to the prevailing theory ruling the day.

I’ve always thought that caring for the poor and sharing my blessings and walking humbly and showing mercy and seeking peace were all inherent in my calling as a Christian, yet from what I can see I really dropped the ball somewhere along the way, because these are certainly not on trend in the Church I’m seeing on the news and in Christian Universities and in pulpits. I seem to remember the Jesus of the Gospels shunning status and opulence, casting aside power and privilege, bending to serve and feed and heal, but that can’t possibly be right given the headlines.

Apparently we Christians are supposed to fear and resent and vilify those who don’t look or talk or believe or love the way we do, we’re supposed to wield the power and be the bullies and seek retaliation and shut down disagreement. From what I can tell based in what I’m seeing, followers of Jesus were commissioned by him to go and be angry, crass, affluent, racist, misogynistic, homophobic warmongers, known in the world by our incendiary rhetoric, our stockpiled arsenals, our doomsday predictions, and our flag-waving bravado. (Funny, I always thought it was by our love, but that shows you the level of deception I’ve fallen victim to).

I’ve lived with this delusional idea that my personal faith in Jesus should drive me to the marginalized and the hurting, that it should move me to defend those who are alone and invisible and voiceless, that my Christlikeness alone was the mark of my faithfulness. I’d been led to believe that a life marked by goodness and gentleness and peace was the desired yield; the visible, proving fruit of my deepest spiritual convictions—silly me.

I always thought that the Church was meant to be the oddly beautiful, counter-intuitive, set-apart entity that quietly but boldly reflected the image of Jesus to the watching world; that as it mirrored his compassion and kindness and humility and dignity, it would be a beacon to all those seeking the best life possible. Nope.

I used to believe that I was a Christian, simply because I wanted the world to see Jesus when they looked at my life.

I’ve certainly got some learning and some repenting to do.

--John Pavlovitz

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You are off with the fairies mate. What rights were violated ?

Property rights and I am correct which you admit by dropping taunts rather than an intelligent refutation

What property rights ?

The right to ones own income and property and the disposal of it as one sees fit.

Thats nonsense. A democratically elected government has the right to set budgets in line with its electoral mandate.

No one said anything about budgets we we're were discussing the taxation of people which is by definition force and violence even if voted on

This is why the UK system is a massive fail no matter how you try tonevsde and dodge as you just did.

Well i you are that extreme there is little point discussing it with you. But I wonder why tax is force and violence whilst paying corporations for a worse service is "freedom".

 

[Soupnazi630]

Property rights and I am correct which you admit by dropping taunts rather than an intelligent refutation

What property rights ?

The right to ones own income and property and the disposal of it as one sees fit.

Thats nonsense. A democratically elected government has the right to set budgets in line with its electoral mandate.

No one said anything about budgets we we're were discussing the taxation of people which is by definition force and violence even if voted on

This is why the UK system is a massive fail no matter how you try tonevsde and dodge as you just did.

Well i you are that extreme there is little point discussing it with you. But I wonder why tax is force and violence whilst paying corporations for a worse service is "freedom".

Paying a corporation is voluntary

Even you cannot be so dim as to miss the difference.

Corporations typically provide better service and cheaper

 

[Leo123]

Not really relevant to this thread.Nice deflection.

Then your post, to which I replied, isn't relevant either.

 

[Leo123]

we have no immigration clause and should have no illegal problem. government paid freeloaders don't do the jobs they are paid to do.

Illegal aliens get government social programs. That is being a freeloader. They should all be cut off and sent back. Then we can deal more efficiently with the American free-loaders. For instance, we could make the American free loaders (Able bodied who don't contribute) do the jobs illegals do.

 

[Soupnazi630]

we have no immigration clause and should have no illegal problem. government paid freeloaders don't do the jobs they are paid to do.

Illegal aliens get government social programs. That is being a freeloader. They should all be cut off and sent back. Then we can deal more efficiently with the American free-loaders. For instance, we could make the American free loaders (Able bodied who don't contribute) do the jobs illegals do.

We would not have to make the American free loaders do anything.

Just cut off the welfare and watch nmhow fast they take those jobs.

 

[Leo123]

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lol. only right wing bigots, say that.

LOL only left wing bigots call right wingers bigots. That is their 'go to' phrase when they are pissing their pants because they have nothing logical to contribute.

 

[danielpalos]

capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment, not a natural rate of employment.

Sorry that is myth as we have proven

appealing to ignorance is worse than myth.

Which is what you are doing.


There is no natural rate of unemployment

lol. There is no natural rate of employment.

A natural rate of unemployment is an economic term. Anyone who wants to learn about the issue, understands that concept and does not appeal to ignorance of it.

No it is not an economic term it is a term that failed socialists dreamed up

There is no natural rate of unemployment as we settled in another thread.

You are ignorant of economics and your argument rests on that ignorance.

You merely appeal to ignorance. Why should we ignore a natural rate unemployment as an economic phenomena and market based metric?

 

[danielpalos]

we have no immigration clause and should have no illegal problem. government paid freeloaders don't do the jobs they are paid to do.

Illegal aliens get government social programs. That is being a freeloader. They should all be cut off and sent back. Then we can deal more efficiently with the American free-loaders. For instance, we could make the American free loaders (Able bodied who don't contribute) do the jobs illegals do.

lol. why should i take hypocrites morally seriously? there is no immigration clause in our federal Constitution and no express wall building clause.