A great example of why socialism is better than "charity"

[Ambivalent1]

Property rights and I am correct which you admit by dropping taunts rather than an intelligent refutation

What property rights ?

The right to ones own income and property and the disposal of it as one sees fit.

Thats nonsense. A democratically elected government has the right to set budgets in line with its electoral mandate.

No one said anything about budgets we we're were discussing the taxation of people which is by definition force and violence even if voted on

This is why the UK system is a massive fail no matter how you try tonevsde and dodge as you just did.

Well i you are that extreme there is little point discussing it with you. But I wonder why tax is force and violence whilst paying corporations for a worse service is "freedom".

Were you and Jimmy Saville close?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Sorry that is myth as we have proven

appealing to ignorance is worse than myth.

Which is what you are doing.


There is no natural rate of unemployment

lol. There is no natural rate of employment.

A natural rate of unemployment is an economic term. Anyone who wants to learn about the issue, understands that concept and does not appeal to ignorance of it.

No it is not an economic term it is a term that failed socialists dreamed up

There is no natural rate of unemployment as we settled in another thread.

You are ignorant of economics and your argument rests on that ignorance.

You merely appeal to ignorance. Why should we ignore a natural rate unemployment as an economic phenomena and market based metric?

No I am correct and you are posting ignorance.

There is no such natural unemployment rate or such a metric.

 

[Freiheit]

You and all your ilk advocate state slavery. The socialist state owns the means of production and distribution and by implication there is no private property. You and those who advocate socialism are fools of the first order.

You are describing communism not socialism. Im a socialist and I have my own business,I own my house,shares and so on. You are badly informed.

You are worse than a fool of the first order the definition of socialism is government ownership of the means of production and distribution. The definition of communism is:
": a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
b : a theory advocating elimination of private property "
Merriam Webster dictionary
Read Das Kapital and the Communist Manefesto you will find the definition is exact. Your ignorance is exceeded only by your pompous arrogance.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Christian homeless shelter defends decision to turn away trans woman

A Christian homeless shelter in Alaska has defended turning away a homeless transgender woman on a cold January evening.

The Downtown Hope Center shelter in Anchorage, Alaska, is under investigation from the city’s Equal Rights Commission after a vulnerable homeless trans woman with nowhere to sleep was denied access into the women’s shelter.
Police had dropped the unnamed woman, identified as Jessie Doe, at the overnight shelter in January 2018—but twice in two days she was turned away by staff.

The average overnight January temperature in Anchorage, Alaska, is -12° Celsius (9° Fahrenheit).

Here is a "charity" that picks those it helps by criteria other than need. The US needs more socialism so that less people freeze on Winters nights. So does the UK for that matter. .

Socialism: Robbing from someone actually working for a living, to give to those too lazy to actually earn a living.
A criminal walks up to you, sticks a gun in your face and demands your money...it's immoral. A government entity takes your "earned" money away from you against your wishes.....no difference.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Christian homeless shelter defends decision to turn away trans woman

A Christian homeless shelter in Alaska has defended turning away a homeless transgender woman on a cold January evening.

The Downtown Hope Center shelter in Anchorage, Alaska, is under investigation from the city’s Equal Rights Commission after a vulnerable homeless trans woman with nowhere to sleep was denied access into the women’s shelter.
Police had dropped the unnamed woman, identified as Jessie Doe, at the overnight shelter in January 2018—but twice in two days she was turned away by staff.

The average overnight January temperature in Anchorage, Alaska, is -12° Celsius (9° Fahrenheit).

Here is a "charity" that picks those it helps by criteria other than need. The US needs more socialism so that less people freeze on Winters nights. So does the UK for that matter. .

Sad to say....with the state of christianity in the U.S. today, this is not at all surprising.

Interesting read I just saw:

i’ve always thought that I was a Christian.
I’ve simply assumed that since I believed myself to be and strived to be, that this was enough. Though I’ve devoted my days to emulating Jesus and to reflecting his character in the world, this seems to have been a woefully errant path leading me far afield of righteousness.

Over recent years I’ve spent countless hours debating with those who contest my claims of faith; self-professed believers who debate my authenticity, my theology, my conduct, my motivations. They make dire assessments of both my moral worth and my eternal destination, chastising and condemning with great conviction.

It’s difficult to quantify just how much time and energy and mental bandwidth I’ve expended attempting to justify inclusion in their heavily fortified faith fraternity and to prove my personal spirituality valid and genuine in their eyes.

But these days I’m looking at what alleges to be Christianity in my country and I’m now almost certain that I was wrong about myself all along.

Maybe I’m not a Christian after all.

Over the past two years, as our American political process unfolded, and as respected and high-profile evangelists and preachers and Christian speakers endorsed candidates and took to social media with ever more bigoted, hateful, alarmist claims—and as millions of pledged Jesus followers gleefully rushed to celebrate and defend and accompany them in their crusades, I’ve come to find myself estranged; pushed to the furthest periphery of “God’s people”. And it’s only gotten worse as this Presidency has wound on.

And I think it’s my fault. I think I’ve been deceived.

You see, I’d been led to believe that the greatest spiritual aspirations I could ever have, were to love God and to love others as I desired to be loved; fully, sacrificially and without condition. I must have been mistaken, because that doesn’t seem to the prevailing theory ruling the day.

I’ve always thought that caring for the poor and sharing my blessings and walking humbly and showing mercy and seeking peace were all inherent in my calling as a Christian, yet from what I can see I really dropped the ball somewhere along the way, because these are certainly not on trend in the Church I’m seeing on the news and in Christian Universities and in pulpits. I seem to remember the Jesus of the Gospels shunning status and opulence, casting aside power and privilege, bending to serve and feed and heal, but that can’t possibly be right given the headlines.

Apparently we Christians are supposed to fear and resent and vilify those who don’t look or talk or believe or love the way we do, we’re supposed to wield the power and be the bullies and seek retaliation and shut down disagreement. From what I can tell based in what I’m seeing, followers of Jesus were commissioned by him to go and be angry, crass, affluent, racist, misogynistic, homophobic warmongers, known in the world by our incendiary rhetoric, our stockpiled arsenals, our doomsday predictions, and our flag-waving bravado. (Funny, I always thought it was by our love, but that shows you the level of deception I’ve fallen victim to).

I’ve lived with this delusional idea that my personal faith in Jesus should drive me to the marginalized and the hurting, that it should move me to defend those who are alone and invisible and voiceless, that my Christlikeness alone was the mark of my faithfulness. I’d been led to believe that a life marked by goodness and gentleness and peace was the desired yield; the visible, proving fruit of my deepest spiritual convictions—silly me.

I always thought that the Church was meant to be the oddly beautiful, counter-intuitive, set-apart entity that quietly but boldly reflected the image of Jesus to the watching world; that as it mirrored his compassion and kindness and humility and dignity, it would be a beacon to all those seeking the best life possible. Nope.

I used to believe that I was a Christian, simply because I wanted the world to see Jesus when they looked at my life.

I’ve certainly got some learning and some repenting to do.

--John Pavlovitz

Its sad that good people should feel marginalised by modern fake Christians.

 

[danielpalos]

appealing to ignorance is worse than myth.

Which is what you are doing.


There is no natural rate of unemployment

lol. There is no natural rate of employment.

A natural rate of unemployment is an economic term. Anyone who wants to learn about the issue, understands that concept and does not appeal to ignorance of it.

No it is not an economic term it is a term that failed socialists dreamed up

There is no natural rate of unemployment as we settled in another thread.

You are ignorant of economics and your argument rests on that ignorance.

You merely appeal to ignorance. Why should we ignore a natural rate unemployment as an economic phenomena and market based metric?

No I am correct and you are posting ignorance.

There is no such natural unemployment rate or such a metric.

Yes, there is and it is already defined. All you can do is refute the definition or appeal to ignorance of it.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Which is what you are doing.


There is no natural rate of unemployment

lol. There is no natural rate of employment.

A natural rate of unemployment is an economic term. Anyone who wants to learn about the issue, understands that concept and does not appeal to ignorance of it.

No it is not an economic term it is a term that failed socialists dreamed up

There is no natural rate of unemployment as we settled in another thread.

You are ignorant of economics and your argument rests on that ignorance.

You merely appeal to ignorance. Why should we ignore a natural rate unemployment as an economic phenomena and market based metric?

No I am correct and you are posting ignorance.

There is no such natural unemployment rate or such a metric.

Yes, there is and it is already defined. All you can do is refute the definition or appeal to ignorance of it.

No there is not.

As pointed out anything can be defined which does not make it real.

This idea is just a concept based on ignorance.

 

[danielpalos]

lol. There is no natural rate of employment.

A natural rate of unemployment is an economic term. Anyone who wants to learn about the issue, understands that concept and does not appeal to ignorance of it.

No it is not an economic term it is a term that failed socialists dreamed up

There is no natural rate of unemployment as we settled in another thread.

You are ignorant of economics and your argument rests on that ignorance.

You merely appeal to ignorance. Why should we ignore a natural rate unemployment as an economic phenomena and market based metric?

No I am correct and you are posting ignorance.

There is no such natural unemployment rate or such a metric.

Yes, there is and it is already defined. All you can do is refute the definition or appeal to ignorance of it.

No there is not.

As pointed out anything can be defined which does not make it real.

This idea is just a concept based on ignorance.

Are you appealing to ignorance of the definition anyone can find on the internet, as well?

 

[Soupnazi630]

No it is not an economic term it is a term that failed socialists dreamed up

There is no natural rate of unemployment as we settled in another thread.

You are ignorant of economics and your argument rests on that ignorance.

You merely appeal to ignorance. Why should we ignore a natural rate unemployment as an economic phenomena and market based metric?

No I am correct and you are posting ignorance.

There is no such natural unemployment rate or such a metric.

Yes, there is and it is already defined. All you can do is refute the definition or appeal to ignorance of it.

No there is not.

As pointed out anything can be defined which does not make it real.

This idea is just a concept based on ignorance.

Are you appealing to ignorance of the definition anyone can find on the internet, as well?

Once again a definition means nothing. Definitions only explain a word they do not prove the word refers to something real and the natural unemployment rate is not real.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Both should pay for their own needs and anyone being taxed for unneeded crap like sex changes is being ripped off

But they have paid - that is the point of socialism.

No, the point of socialism is that they HAVEN'T paid, and they don't want to. Socialism is about making someone ELSE pay.

They have paid through their taxes. What part of that is so complicated ?

What part of "Freeloaders" is so complicated for YOU?

Who is a freeloader ?

I guess that WAS a confusing word and concept for you.

"Freeloader" refers to anyone who's taking more out of the system than they're putting back. And even at the insane, usurious tax rates your government enslaves you at, there are still more people getting out than putting back. That can easily be seen by the stats you like to ignore that tell us that people are having to wait so long for the "wonderful" services you tout that it's too late to do them any good by the time they finally get them.

NHS cancer treatment wait statistics 'set to be worst on record'

But hey, maybe you're actually dumb enough to like being a tax slave to your government in exchange for the "security" of having them care for you like an ignorant, helpless child, only to turn around and die from neglect anyway. That's your problem. But stop trying to evangelize your stupidity to the rest of the world. Understand that the whole time you're holding yourself and your putrid system out as the utopian goal we should all aspire to, we're looking at you and saying, "I don't ever, ever want to be anything like that moron."

 

[Cecilie1200]

Moving back to the specifics of THIS thread, which was NOT started to talk about "No, it's WONDERFUL to have the government take everything and then dole back what it wants us to have", I believe Tommy was ACTUALLY trying to tell us that it's ALSO wonderful to have the government tell you what you can and can't think, and forcibly prevent you from doing otherwise.

So go ahead, Tommy, tell us how much better slavery is than freedom even inside your own head.

You are projecting. But I understand that you have been programmed to think that way.

I just heard, "I can't answer, but I want to think I'm right no matter what!"

But I understand. You've been programmed to like slavery. Again, just realize that no one finds the extreme Stockholm Syndrome you have going with your government appealing.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Who is a freeloader ?

Illegal aliens who get socialist government support for one.

Not really relevant to this thread.Nice deflection.

No, actually, that's completely relevant to the topic. I get that you can't comprehend that there's a whole world out there, with completely different issues of their own to address, but in the US, illegals are a real concern when it comes to "Gosh, let's just all become wards of the state".

 

[Cecilie1200]

Christian homeless shelter defends decision to turn away trans woman

A Christian homeless shelter in Alaska has defended turning away a homeless transgender woman on a cold January evening.

The Downtown Hope Center shelter in Anchorage, Alaska, is under investigation from the city’s Equal Rights Commission after a vulnerable homeless trans woman with nowhere to sleep was denied access into the women’s shelter.
Police had dropped the unnamed woman, identified as Jessie Doe, at the overnight shelter in January 2018—but twice in two days she was turned away by staff.

The average overnight January temperature in Anchorage, Alaska, is -12° Celsius (9° Fahrenheit).

Here is a "charity" that picks those it helps by criteria other than need. The US needs more socialism so that less people freeze on Winters nights. So does the UK for that matter. .

Ah, so you just want unelected government bureaucrat critters to choose who gets help.

Thanks for clearing that up. But riddle me this, if Gubmint be so benificent, why didn't they already have a place for the tranny to go? It's not like we don't spend an ungodly amount of money on welfare and homeless programs already.

I dont want anybody to choose. People should get help as a right. Sub zero temps outside should not see a distressed woman turned on to the streets. Ignorance is no excuse.

"Just give me what I want. How dare you think you should have freedom. The government knows best!"

I will repeat the question an earlier poster asked: why doesn't the government already have facilities for this MAN? Why does a private charity have to be forced to abandon its mission statement and endanger dozens of other homeless people to conform to YOUR received wisdom on what everyone must be forced to think and believe? If you're so filled with compassion about distressed women, why is the most important thing in your mind confirmation of this MAN'S delusion? Ignorance is no excuse . . . but evil is probably the reason.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Both should pay for their own needs and anyone being taxed for unneeded crap like sex changes is being ripped off

But they have paid - that is the point of socialism.

No, the point of socialism is that they HAVEN'T paid, and they don't want to. Socialism is about making someone ELSE pay.

They have paid through their taxes. What part of that is so complicated ?

Through force and violence which is why the UK is a backwards failed society

What force and violence. People voted in a landslide to elect a socialist government to introduce the NHS and make their world better. Not one political party would be stupid enough to propose an American style mess of a system.

Moron, if you don't pay your taxes, what happens? Why, agents of the government show up at your house with guns, arrest your ass, and put it in jail. That would be force and the threat of violence.

Just because people vote to rob someone doesn't make it any less robbery.

 

[Soupnazi630]

But they have paid - that is the point of socialism.

No, the point of socialism is that they HAVEN'T paid, and they don't want to. Socialism is about making someone ELSE pay.

They have paid through their taxes. What part of that is so complicated ?

Through force and violence which is why the UK is a backwards failed society

What force and violence. People voted in a landslide to elect a socialist government to introduce the NHS and make their world better. Not one political party would be stupid enough to propose an American style mess of a system.

Moron, if you don't pay your taxes, what happens? Why, agents of the government show up at your house with guns, arrest your ass, and put it in jail. That would be force and the threat of violence.

Just because people vote to rob someone doesn't make it any less robbery.

Yes what they do not get is that it is even a more cowardly form of robbery.

A real thief generally tends to do his own dirty work. Robbing someone or taking a risk burglarizing someone's property.

These people want to steal from others but will not take the risk of doing it themselves they want the government to do it for them,

 

[danielpalos]

You merely appeal to ignorance. Why should we ignore a natural rate unemployment as an economic phenomena and market based metric?

No I am correct and you are posting ignorance.

There is no such natural unemployment rate or such a metric.

Yes, there is and it is already defined. All you can do is refute the definition or appeal to ignorance of it.

No there is not.

As pointed out anything can be defined which does not make it real.

This idea is just a concept based on ignorance.

Are you appealing to ignorance of the definition anyone can find on the internet, as well?

Once again a definition means nothing. Definitions only explain a word they do not prove the word refers to something real and the natural unemployment rate is not real.

Your "definition means nothing". The economic term and definition provides metrics.

 

[Cecilie1200]

They have paid through their taxes. What part of that is so complicated ?

Through force and violence which is why the UK is a backwards failed society

What force and violence. People voted in a landslide to elect a socialist government to introduce the NHS and make their world better. Not one political party would be stupid enough to propose an American style mess of a system.

When people vote for government to violate the rights of others it is still force and violence.

You are off with the fairies mate. What rights were violated ?

Property rights and I am correct which you admit by dropping taunts rather than an intelligent refutation

Soup, you're speaking a language Taint doesn't understand. He's been too brainwashed to grasp the concept of what rights are, or why that's a good thing.

 

[Soupnazi630]

No I am correct and you are posting ignorance.

There is no such natural unemployment rate or such a metric.

Yes, there is and it is already defined. All you can do is refute the definition or appeal to ignorance of it.

No there is not.

As pointed out anything can be defined which does not make it real.

This idea is just a concept based on ignorance.

Are you appealing to ignorance of the definition anyone can find on the internet, as well?

Once again a definition means nothing. Definitions only explain a word they do not prove the word refers to something real and the natural unemployment rate is not real.

Your "definition means nothing". The economic term and definition provides metrics.

It is not an economic term it is merely a hypothetical term with zero metrics.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Property rights and I am correct which you admit by dropping taunts rather than an intelligent refutation

What property rights ?

The right to ones own income and property and the disposal of it as one sees fit.

Thats nonsense. A democratically elected government has the right to set budgets in line with its electoral mandate.

No one said anything about budgets we we're were discussing the taxation of people which is by definition force and violence even if voted on

This is why the UK system is a massive fail no matter how you try tonevsde and dodge as you just did.

Well i you are that extreme there is little point discussing it with you. But I wonder why tax is force and violence whilst paying corporations for a worse service is "freedom".

Because no one shows up and arrests you if you decide not to do business with that corporation. Duhhhh.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Christian homeless shelter defends decision to turn away trans woman

A Christian homeless shelter in Alaska has defended turning away a homeless transgender woman on a cold January evening.

The Downtown Hope Center shelter in Anchorage, Alaska, is under investigation from the city’s Equal Rights Commission after a vulnerable homeless trans woman with nowhere to sleep was denied access into the women’s shelter.
Police had dropped the unnamed woman, identified as Jessie Doe, at the overnight shelter in January 2018—but twice in two days she was turned away by staff.

The average overnight January temperature in Anchorage, Alaska, is -12° Celsius (9° Fahrenheit).

Here is a "charity" that picks those it helps by criteria other than need. The US needs more socialism so that less people freeze on Winters nights. So does the UK for that matter. .

Sad to say....with the state of christianity in the U.S. today, this is not at all surprising.

Interesting read I just saw:

i’ve always thought that I was a Christian.
I’ve simply assumed that since I believed myself to be and strived to be, that this was enough. Though I’ve devoted my days to emulating Jesus and to reflecting his character in the world, this seems to have been a woefully errant path leading me far afield of righteousness.

Over recent years I’ve spent countless hours debating with those who contest my claims of faith; self-professed believers who debate my authenticity, my theology, my conduct, my motivations. They make dire assessments of both my moral worth and my eternal destination, chastising and condemning with great conviction.

It’s difficult to quantify just how much time and energy and mental bandwidth I’ve expended attempting to justify inclusion in their heavily fortified faith fraternity and to prove my personal spirituality valid and genuine in their eyes.

But these days I’m looking at what alleges to be Christianity in my country and I’m now almost certain that I was wrong about myself all along.

Maybe I’m not a Christian after all.

Over the past two years, as our American political process unfolded, and as respected and high-profile evangelists and preachers and Christian speakers endorsed candidates and took to social media with ever more bigoted, hateful, alarmist claims—and as millions of pledged Jesus followers gleefully rushed to celebrate and defend and accompany them in their crusades, I’ve come to find myself estranged; pushed to the furthest periphery of “God’s people”. And it’s only gotten worse as this Presidency has wound on.

And I think it’s my fault. I think I’ve been deceived.

You see, I’d been led to believe that the greatest spiritual aspirations I could ever have, were to love God and to love others as I desired to be loved; fully, sacrificially and without condition. I must have been mistaken, because that doesn’t seem to the prevailing theory ruling the day.

I’ve always thought that caring for the poor and sharing my blessings and walking humbly and showing mercy and seeking peace were all inherent in my calling as a Christian, yet from what I can see I really dropped the ball somewhere along the way, because these are certainly not on trend in the Church I’m seeing on the news and in Christian Universities and in pulpits. I seem to remember the Jesus of the Gospels shunning status and opulence, casting aside power and privilege, bending to serve and feed and heal, but that can’t possibly be right given the headlines.

Apparently we Christians are supposed to fear and resent and vilify those who don’t look or talk or believe or love the way we do, we’re supposed to wield the power and be the bullies and seek retaliation and shut down disagreement. From what I can tell based in what I’m seeing, followers of Jesus were commissioned by him to go and be angry, crass, affluent, racist, misogynistic, homophobic warmongers, known in the world by our incendiary rhetoric, our stockpiled arsenals, our doomsday predictions, and our flag-waving bravado. (Funny, I always thought it was by our love, but that shows you the level of deception I’ve fallen victim to).

I’ve lived with this delusional idea that my personal faith in Jesus should drive me to the marginalized and the hurting, that it should move me to defend those who are alone and invisible and voiceless, that my Christlikeness alone was the mark of my faithfulness. I’d been led to believe that a life marked by goodness and gentleness and peace was the desired yield; the visible, proving fruit of my deepest spiritual convictions—silly me.

I always thought that the Church was meant to be the oddly beautiful, counter-intuitive, set-apart entity that quietly but boldly reflected the image of Jesus to the watching world; that as it mirrored his compassion and kindness and humility and dignity, it would be a beacon to all those seeking the best life possible. Nope.

I used to believe that I was a Christian, simply because I wanted the world to see Jesus when they looked at my life.

I’ve certainly got some learning and some repenting to do.

--John Pavlovitz

Its sad that good people should feel marginalised by modern fake Christians.

It's pathetic that evil people should feel arrogant enough to tell others how their faith SHOULD be practiced.