A little reality for leftist Gavin Newsome and his ban on gas powered cars.

[sartre play]

Newsome, Mitch Mc, & Inhoff, perfect kindling for a dumpster fire. should include about half of our leaders who are suppose to be smarter than us.

 

[daveman]

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Wind turbines kill birds, even eagles are killed by them.

Environmentalists don't give a shit.

Cell phone towers kill many more birds. Going to give up your cell phone?

Nope. I'm not an environmentalist looking to excuse how dangerous to wildlife wind turbines are.

So, in summary, you're not willing to give up your phone or halt wind turbines.

So, that moral high ground you claim you're standing on is a pile of dead animals.

The number of bird deaths from windmills is minuscule. This is not a serious argument.

Oh, okay. So you don't mind some deaths in the name of green energy. Can you quantify it, or is any number of dead animals okay with you in the name of "saving the planet"?

A few hundred thousand birds die from turbines a year. A few hundred MILLION birds die from running into buildings.

Okay, so you're okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying from green energy.

Since you haven't called for the removal of buildings, apparently you're okay with a few hundred million dying.

You can stop calling yourself an environmentalist now.

 

[daveman]

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Chemical packed wind turbine blades piling up in landfills......

Wind turbine blades can’t be recycled, so they’re piling up in landfills

A wind turbine’s blades can be longer than a Boeing 747 wing. At the end of their lifespan, they can’t just be hauled away.

www.latimes.com

You act like the blades last for a couple weeks .

They last forever. Their service lifetimes don't.

No they don’t. Read the article. They can be ground up and converted to other things.

And there’s not even that many of them.

I suggest you read the article. There is no cost-effective means of recycling them now.

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Chemical packed wind turbine blades piling up in landfills......

Wind turbine blades can’t be recycled, so they’re piling up in landfills

A wind turbine’s blades can be longer than a Boeing 747 wing. At the end of their lifespan, they can’t just be hauled away.

www.latimes.com

You act like the blades last for a couple weeks .

They last forever. Their service lifetimes don't.

No they don’t. Read the article. They can be ground up and converted to other things.

And there’s not even that many of them.

I suggest you read the article. There is no cost-effective means of recycling them now.

The article said no such thing.

Yes, it did. Most blades are being landfilled. Why? Because there's no cost-effective means of recycling them.

It said nothing about cost efficacy.

If it was cost-effective, companies would be doing it.

That's called "logic". I expect you're not familiar.

 

[colfax_m]

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Wind turbines kill birds, even eagles are killed by them.

Environmentalists don't give a shit.

Cell phone towers kill many more birds. Going to give up your cell phone?

Nope. I'm not an environmentalist looking to excuse how dangerous to wildlife wind turbines are.

So, in summary, you're not willing to give up your phone or halt wind turbines.

So, that moral high ground you claim you're standing on is a pile of dead animals.

The number of bird deaths from windmills is minuscule. This is not a serious argument.

Oh, okay. So you don't mind some deaths in the name of green energy. Can you quantify it, or is any number of dead animals okay with you in the name of "saving the planet"?

A few hundred thousand birds die from turbines a year. A few hundred MILLION birds die from running into buildings.

Okay, so you're okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying from green energy.

Since you haven't called for the removal of buildings, apparently you're okay with a few hundred million dying.

You can stop calling yourself an environmentalist now.

Yes, I’m okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying to promote green energy that will prevent global warming that will result in destruction of habitat that will kill billions of birds.

You can stop being short sighted.

 

[Nostra]

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Wind turbines kill birds, even eagles are killed by them.

Environmentalists don't give a shit.

Cell phone towers kill many more birds. Going to give up your cell phone?

Nope. I'm not an environmentalist looking to excuse how dangerous to wildlife wind turbines are.

So, in summary, you're not willing to give up your phone or halt wind turbines.

So, that moral high ground you claim you're standing on is a pile of dead animals.

The number of bird deaths from windmills is minuscule. This is not a serious argument.

Oh, okay. So you don't mind some deaths in the name of green energy. Can you quantify it, or is any number of dead animals okay with you in the name of "saving the planet"?

A few hundred thousand birds die from turbines a year. A few hundred MILLION birds die from running into buildings.

Okay, so you're okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying from green energy.

Since you haven't called for the removal of buildings, apparently you're okay with a few hundred million dying.

You can stop calling yourself an environmentalist now.

Yes, I’m okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying to promote green energy that will prevent global warming that will result in destruction of habitat that will kill billions of birds.

You can stop being short sighted.

What about 1.4 million birds based on bullshit lies and a hoax? That's what you support.

 

[Rigby5]

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Chemical packed wind turbine blades piling up in landfills......

Wind turbine blades can’t be recycled, so they’re piling up in landfills

A wind turbine’s blades can be longer than a Boeing 747 wing. At the end of their lifespan, they can’t just be hauled away.

www.latimes.com

You act like the blades last for a couple weeks .

They last forever. Their service lifetimes don't.

No they don’t. Read the article. They can be ground up and converted to other things.

And there’s not even that many of them.

There are not that many of them now because there is not much wind power for electricity now.
But we would have to increase the windmills by factors of tens of thousands in order to make a serious dent in power consumption if we were to try to convert to electric cars.

 

[daveman]

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Wind turbines kill birds, even eagles are killed by them.

Environmentalists don't give a shit.

Cell phone towers kill many more birds. Going to give up your cell phone?

Nope. I'm not an environmentalist looking to excuse how dangerous to wildlife wind turbines are.

So, in summary, you're not willing to give up your phone or halt wind turbines.

So, that moral high ground you claim you're standing on is a pile of dead animals.

The number of bird deaths from windmills is minuscule. This is not a serious argument.

You are advocating the deaths of 1.4 MILLION birds per year.

Why do you hate nature?

U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service - Migratory Bird Program | Conserving America's Birds

www.fws.gov

.

Tax Man thinks it's funny that over a million birds are killed by wind turbines every year.

I know there are windmills in the Altamont pass and maybe one or two birds are republican enough to fly into the blades.

People who actually care about birds say you're full of shit.

Every year, an estimated 75 to 110 Golden Eagles are killed by the wind turbines in the Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area (APWRA). Some lose their wings, others are decapitated, and still others are cut in half. The lethal turbines, numbering roughly 6,000, are arrayed across 50,000 acres of rolling hills in northeastern Alameda and southeastern Contra Costa counties.

The APWRA, built in the 1980s, was one of the first wind energy sites in the U.S. At the time, no one knew how deadly the turbines could be for birds. Few would now deny, however, that Altamont Pass is probably the worst site ever chosen for a wind energy project. According to a 2004 California Energy Commission (CEC) report, as many as 380 Burrowing Owls (also a state-designated species of special concern), 300 Red-tailed Hawks, and 333 American Kestrels are killed every year. In all, as many as 4,700 birds die annually as a result of the wind turbines.​

 

[daveman]

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Wind turbines kill birds, even eagles are killed by them.

Environmentalists don't give a shit.

Cell phone towers kill many more birds. Going to give up your cell phone?

Nope. I'm not an environmentalist looking to excuse how dangerous to wildlife wind turbines are.

So, in summary, you're not willing to give up your phone or halt wind turbines.

So, that moral high ground you claim you're standing on is a pile of dead animals.

The number of bird deaths from windmills is minuscule. This is not a serious argument.

Oh, okay. So you don't mind some deaths in the name of green energy. Can you quantify it, or is any number of dead animals okay with you in the name of "saving the planet"?

A few hundred thousand birds die from turbines a year. A few hundred MILLION birds die from running into buildings.

Okay, so you're okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying from green energy.

Since you haven't called for the removal of buildings, apparently you're okay with a few hundred million dying.

You can stop calling yourself an environmentalist now.

Yes, I’m okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying to promote green energy that will prevent global warming that will result in destruction of habitat that will kill billions of birds.

You can stop being short sighted.

Oh, yeah, about that global warming thing...are you guys ever going to get around to proving mankind has anything to do with it, or are we just supposed to take it on faith like you do?

 

[Nostra]

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Wind turbines kill birds, even eagles are killed by them.

Environmentalists don't give a shit.

Cell phone towers kill many more birds. Going to give up your cell phone?

Nope. I'm not an environmentalist looking to excuse how dangerous to wildlife wind turbines are.

So, in summary, you're not willing to give up your phone or halt wind turbines.

So, that moral high ground you claim you're standing on is a pile of dead animals.

The number of bird deaths from windmills is minuscule. This is not a serious argument.

You are advocating the deaths of 1.4 MILLION birds per year.

Why do you hate nature?

U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service - Migratory Bird Program | Conserving America's Birds

www.fws.gov

.

Tax Man thinks it's funny that over a million birds are killed by wind turbines every year.

I know there are windmills in the Altamont pass and maybe one or two birds are republican enough to fly into the blades.

People who actually care about birds say you're full of shit.

Every year, an estimated 75 to 110 Golden Eagles are killed by the wind turbines in the Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area (APWRA). Some lose their wings, others are decapitated, and still others are cut in half. The lethal turbines, numbering roughly 6,000, are arrayed across 50,000 acres of rolling hills in northeastern Alameda and southeastern Contra Costa counties.​

​

The APWRA, built in the 1980s, was one of the first wind energy sites in the U.S. At the time, no one knew how deadly the turbines could be for birds. Few would now deny, however, that Altamont Pass is probably the worst site ever chosen for a wind energy project. According to a 2004 California Energy Commission (CEC) report, as many as 380 Burrowing Owls (also a state-designated species of special concern), 300 Red-tailed Hawks, and 333 American Kestrels are killed every year. In all, as many as 4,700 birds die annually as a result of the wind turbines.​

And yet, the Enviro-weenies will shut down entire developments just because they found a snail darter, or some other useless slug, on the property.

 

[daveman]

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Wind turbines kill birds, even eagles are killed by them.

Environmentalists don't give a shit.

Cell phone towers kill many more birds. Going to give up your cell phone?

Nope. I'm not an environmentalist looking to excuse how dangerous to wildlife wind turbines are.

So, in summary, you're not willing to give up your phone or halt wind turbines.

So, that moral high ground you claim you're standing on is a pile of dead animals.

The number of bird deaths from windmills is minuscule. This is not a serious argument.

You are advocating the deaths of 1.4 MILLION birds per year.

Why do you hate nature?

U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service - Migratory Bird Program | Conserving America's Birds

www.fws.gov

.

Tax Man thinks it's funny that over a million birds are killed by wind turbines every year.

I know there are windmills in the Altamont pass and maybe one or two birds are republican enough to fly into the blades.

People who actually care about birds say you're full of shit.

Every year, an estimated 75 to 110 Golden Eagles are killed by the wind turbines in the Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area (APWRA). Some lose their wings, others are decapitated, and still others are cut in half. The lethal turbines, numbering roughly 6,000, are arrayed across 50,000 acres of rolling hills in northeastern Alameda and southeastern Contra Costa counties.​

​

The APWRA, built in the 1980s, was one of the first wind energy sites in the U.S. At the time, no one knew how deadly the turbines could be for birds. Few would now deny, however, that Altamont Pass is probably the worst site ever chosen for a wind energy project. According to a 2004 California Energy Commission (CEC) report, as many as 380 Burrowing Owls (also a state-designated species of special concern), 300 Red-tailed Hawks, and 333 American Kestrels are killed every year. In all, as many as 4,700 birds die annually as a result of the wind turbines.​

And yet, the Enviro-weenies will shut down entire developments just because they found a snail darter, or some other useless slug, on the property.

It's not about the environment.

It's about control.

 

[martybegan]

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Wind turbines kill birds, even eagles are killed by them.

Environmentalists don't give a shit.

Cell phone towers kill many more birds. Going to give up your cell phone?

Nope. I'm not an environmentalist looking to excuse how dangerous to wildlife wind turbines are.

So, in summary, you're not willing to give up your phone or halt wind turbines.

So, that moral high ground you claim you're standing on is a pile of dead animals.

The number of bird deaths from windmills is minuscule. This is not a serious argument.

Oh, okay. So you don't mind some deaths in the name of green energy. Can you quantify it, or is any number of dead animals okay with you in the name of "saving the planet"?

A few hundred thousand birds die from turbines a year. A few hundred MILLION birds die from running into buildings.

Okay, so you're okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying from green energy.

Since you haven't called for the removal of buildings, apparently you're okay with a few hundred million dying.

You can stop calling yourself an environmentalist now.

Yes, I’m okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying to promote green energy that will prevent global warming that will result in destruction of habitat that will kill billions of birds.

You can stop being short sighted.

And what if AGW isn't what people sold it as?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Sounds like you can be the first customer.

I have solar panels to charge mine.

Unless you work nights, that’s not going to happen.

Panels charge a power wall. Power wall charges car.

Power walls are just batteries.
And batteries are about 50% efficient to charge, and 50% efficient to discharge, so you are down to 25% efficiency even before you try to recharge the car batteries.
Nor are batteries cheap.
They are about $7k to $10k, and only last about 10 years.

The charge efficiency of the lithium ion batteries is a lot closer to 99%

If our civilization does not self destruct, we will eventually solve most energy problems. But it is not now. And it can not be rushed without causing massive problems keeping people alive. To invest a bit and let the technology come when it is feasable and keep using what we have, that will be the best improvements to our energy and efficiency needs. A/C and Heating and insulation and better windows mandates with better construction techniques can save a lot. And the criminals who will run the Green Energy movement will use this as the reason we have saved energy after spending a thousand times more for it.

We are at least 50 years away from STARTING to seriously get off fossil fuels, a notion these green commies simply refuse to understand.

OIL CHANGED THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD FOREVER!!!

We are not going to suddenly replace such an abundant and highly-efficient energy source by passing bullshit commie socialist legislation. It is a fucking pipe dream. It is so retarded that is MUST be a Bolshevik plot. There's no other rational explanation.

 

[colfax_m]

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Wind turbines kill birds, even eagles are killed by them.

Environmentalists don't give a shit.

Cell phone towers kill many more birds. Going to give up your cell phone?

Nope. I'm not an environmentalist looking to excuse how dangerous to wildlife wind turbines are.

So, in summary, you're not willing to give up your phone or halt wind turbines.

So, that moral high ground you claim you're standing on is a pile of dead animals.

The number of bird deaths from windmills is minuscule. This is not a serious argument.

Oh, okay. So you don't mind some deaths in the name of green energy. Can you quantify it, or is any number of dead animals okay with you in the name of "saving the planet"?

A few hundred thousand birds die from turbines a year. A few hundred MILLION birds die from running into buildings.

Okay, so you're okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying from green energy.

Since you haven't called for the removal of buildings, apparently you're okay with a few hundred million dying.

You can stop calling yourself an environmentalist now.

Yes, I’m okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying to promote green energy that will prevent global warming that will result in destruction of habitat that will kill billions of birds.

You can stop being short sighted.

Oh, yeah, about that global warming thing...are you guys ever going to get around to proving mankind has anything to do with it, or are we just supposed to take it on faith like you do?

Oh lord. The ignorance...

 

[colfax_m]

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Chemical packed wind turbine blades piling up in landfills......

Wind turbine blades can’t be recycled, so they’re piling up in landfills

A wind turbine’s blades can be longer than a Boeing 747 wing. At the end of their lifespan, they can’t just be hauled away.

www.latimes.com

You act like the blades last for a couple weeks .

They last forever. Their service lifetimes don't.

No they don’t. Read the article. They can be ground up and converted to other things.

And there’s not even that many of them.

There are not that many of them now because there is not much wind power for electricity now.
But we would have to increase the windmills by factors of tens of thousands in order to make a serious dent in power consumption if we were to try to convert to electric cars.

Tens of thousands?

No.

 

[daveman]

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Wind turbines kill birds, even eagles are killed by them.

Environmentalists don't give a shit.

Cell phone towers kill many more birds. Going to give up your cell phone?

Nope. I'm not an environmentalist looking to excuse how dangerous to wildlife wind turbines are.

So, in summary, you're not willing to give up your phone or halt wind turbines.

So, that moral high ground you claim you're standing on is a pile of dead animals.

The number of bird deaths from windmills is minuscule. This is not a serious argument.

Oh, okay. So you don't mind some deaths in the name of green energy. Can you quantify it, or is any number of dead animals okay with you in the name of "saving the planet"?

A few hundred thousand birds die from turbines a year. A few hundred MILLION birds die from running into buildings.

Okay, so you're okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying from green energy.

Since you haven't called for the removal of buildings, apparently you're okay with a few hundred million dying.

You can stop calling yourself an environmentalist now.

Yes, I’m okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying to promote green energy that will prevent global warming that will result in destruction of habitat that will kill billions of birds.

You can stop being short sighted.

Oh, yeah, about that global warming thing...are you guys ever going to get around to proving mankind has anything to do with it, or are we just supposed to take it on faith like you do?

Oh lord. The ignorance...

Inaccurate.

You know, like climate "science".

 

[colfax_m]

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Wind turbines kill birds, even eagles are killed by them.

Environmentalists don't give a shit.

Cell phone towers kill many more birds. Going to give up your cell phone?

Nope. I'm not an environmentalist looking to excuse how dangerous to wildlife wind turbines are.

So, in summary, you're not willing to give up your phone or halt wind turbines.

So, that moral high ground you claim you're standing on is a pile of dead animals.

The number of bird deaths from windmills is minuscule. This is not a serious argument.

Oh, okay. So you don't mind some deaths in the name of green energy. Can you quantify it, or is any number of dead animals okay with you in the name of "saving the planet"?

A few hundred thousand birds die from turbines a year. A few hundred MILLION birds die from running into buildings.

Okay, so you're okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying from green energy.

Since you haven't called for the removal of buildings, apparently you're okay with a few hundred million dying.

You can stop calling yourself an environmentalist now.

Yes, I’m okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying to promote green energy that will prevent global warming that will result in destruction of habitat that will kill billions of birds.

You can stop being short sighted.

Oh, yeah, about that global warming thing...are you guys ever going to get around to proving mankind has anything to do with it, or are we just supposed to take it on faith like you do?

Oh lord. The ignorance...

Inaccurate.

You know, like climate "science".

If you have to ask...

 

[daveman]

Maybe Gavin has a design for wind powered cars.

Already designed,

View attachment 395803

This isn’t that complicated. Just put up a wind turbine somewhere that charges the batteries.

Wind turbines kill birds, even eagles are killed by them.

Environmentalists don't give a shit.

Cell phone towers kill many more birds. Going to give up your cell phone?

Nope. I'm not an environmentalist looking to excuse how dangerous to wildlife wind turbines are.

So, in summary, you're not willing to give up your phone or halt wind turbines.

So, that moral high ground you claim you're standing on is a pile of dead animals.

The number of bird deaths from windmills is minuscule. This is not a serious argument.

Oh, okay. So you don't mind some deaths in the name of green energy. Can you quantify it, or is any number of dead animals okay with you in the name of "saving the planet"?

A few hundred thousand birds die from turbines a year. A few hundred MILLION birds die from running into buildings.

Okay, so you're okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying from green energy.

Since you haven't called for the removal of buildings, apparently you're okay with a few hundred million dying.

You can stop calling yourself an environmentalist now.

Yes, I’m okay with a few hundred thousand birds dying to promote green energy that will prevent global warming that will result in destruction of habitat that will kill billions of birds.

You can stop being short sighted.

Oh, yeah, about that global warming thing...are you guys ever going to get around to proving mankind has anything to do with it, or are we just supposed to take it on faith like you do?

Oh lord. The ignorance...

Inaccurate.

You know, like climate "science".

If you have to ask...

I've been following this since it was global warming. My alleged ignorance is not your problem. Your problem is I don't share your faith.

 

[Markle]

Only a leftist believes a gas-powered generator recharging an electric car is a good idea.

You're just relocating the pollution.

 

[Markle]

California already have a serious problem keeping the lights on today. They have rolling blackouts. Where is the additional power to come from?

That's exactly correct.

If we are going to get to the point where everyone is driving electric cars, we are going to have spend trillions of dollars upgrading the grid.

Right now, you'd have power outages every day at rush hour because we can't generate enough electricity to meet the demand.

The charging is done during the work hours not while on the road.

Folks charge their cars when they are at home and it can sit for eight hours. You know, when we run our heat or A/C, cook dinner, in and out of the refrigerator.

Like all Greenies, you really haven't thought this through, have you?

 

[Markle]

California already have a serious problem keeping the lights on today. They have rolling blackouts. Where is the additional power to come from?

That's exactly correct.

If we are going to get to the point where everyone is driving electric cars, we are going to have spend trillions of dollars upgrading the grid.

Right now, you'd have power outages every day at rush hour because we can't generate enough electricity to meet the demand.

The charging is done during the work hours not while on the road.

Actually, prototype cars built specifically for long endurance races such as the 24 Hours at LeMans or the 12 Hours at Sebring, are experimenting with electric motors to drive the front wheels.

Those cars produce a massive amount of energy (heat) when they slow the cars down, standing on the brakes from 230 mph to 45 for turns etc.. The formula I race cars are toying with the idea also.