A message from a veteran about firearms in this country

[westwall]

The love affair with guns continues, over 1000 posts, many arguing that their gun is the best gun. What is the attraction?

These gun nuts are embarrassed about their tiny penis size, so they have to compensate by talking about how high caliber and awesome their metal bang bang didloes are.

It took a while but there you go.......another anti gunner who gets sexually excited when guns are discussed.....whoever you are...get help.....somewhere in the wiring of your brain you have associated the natural act of sex with the object we call firearms....it is not normal, you need help....

Yep. These people are pretty useless. They have no non emotional, logical, arguments so they resort to personal insults and whining.

 

[ChairmanGonzalo]

The love affair with guns continues, over 1000 posts, many arguing that their gun is the best gun. What is the attraction?

These gun nuts are embarrassed about their tiny penis size, so they have to compensate by talking about how high caliber and awesome their metal bang bang didloes are.

It took a while but there you go.......another anti gunner who gets sexually excited when guns are discussed.....whoever you are...get help.....somewhere in the wiring of your brain you have associated the natural act of sex with the object we call firearms....it is not normal, you need help....

Yep. These people are pretty useless. They have no non emotional, logical, arguments so they resort to personal insults and whining.

My argument is this: I want to stop the 33,000 gun deaths in this country. You pieces of shit don't.

I don't support the death sentence, but I would be happy to sentence the entire membership of the NRA to life imprisonment for the 33,000 deaths a year they cause

 

[westwall]

The love affair with guns continues, over 1000 posts, many arguing that their gun is the best gun. What is the attraction?

These gun nuts are embarrassed about their tiny penis size, so they have to compensate by talking about how high caliber and awesome their metal bang bang didloes are.

It took a while but there you go.......another anti gunner who gets sexually excited when guns are discussed.....whoever you are...get help.....somewhere in the wiring of your brain you have associated the natural act of sex with the object we call firearms....it is not normal, you need help....

Yep. These people are pretty useless. They have no non emotional, logical, arguments so they resort to personal insults and whining.

My argument is this: I want to stop the 33,000 gun deaths in this country. You pieces of shit don't.

I don't support the death sentence, but I would be happy to sentence the entire membership of the NRA to life imprisonment for the 33,000 deaths a year they cause

20,000 of those are suicide. Guess what Japan has gun control and their suicide rate is higher. You don't give a fuck about the people of this country. You want them in concentration camps or in mass graves. The fact that we are armed prevents you from carrying out your wish. The fact that you wish to incarcerate millions of people for owning firearms shows what a despicable piece of shit you are. You want a totalitarian country to live in, move to that socialist paradise Venezuela and take your bullshit with you.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes it does. It says "the right to bear arms".

As I've already shown. The founding fathers used "bear arms" synonymously with "render military service" and "militia duty".

Amendment II: House of Representatives, Amendments to the Constitution

It's here. This is the meaning of "bear arms".

dont what you are trying to prove

bear arms according to the second is the right of the people

Repeal Judicial Review Before We Are All Disarmed

Hillary's SCROTUS appointees will say that you can keep your arms in the National Guard armory and bear them when your unit is activated.

Then who interprets the constitution if not the Supreme Court?

the SC ruled that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right not a militia right

Not if the SC turns liberal and it will if Hillary gets elected.
A liberal court will rule it's only a militia right.
The very same types who got rid of the State citizen milita at the begging of the last century and put in Gov. Controled State Militia.

This is scare mongering from the right. It seems they think this is the fear they can use most to turn people against Hillary. They tried the "He'll take your guns" against Obama and it didn't work and didn't happen.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You said this,

You- "The right to bear arms is the right of INDIVIDUALS to be in the militia. It's simple, the founding fathers said it loads of times and the right and left have ignored millions of times."

The second amendment says nothing of the sort.

Yes it does. It says "the right to bear arms".

As I've already shown. The founding fathers used "bear arms" synonymously with "render military service" and "militia duty".

Amendment II: House of Representatives, Amendments to the Constitution

It's here. This is the meaning of "bear arms".

dont what you are trying to prove

bear arms according to the second is the right of the people

Repeal Judicial Review Before We Are All Disarmed

Hillary's SCROTUS appointees will say that you can keep your arms in the National Guard armory and bear them when your unit is activated.

Then who interprets the constitution if not the Supreme Court?

An Obsolete Elitist Overlord on Self-Determination

We, the people, interpret it through election and referendum. In a free country, it would have been a temporary start-up document to be superseded by all subsequent legislation. There is no need for Amendments, which we don't vote on anyway; the state legislatures do.

There is a need for Amendments, and it's not just the states which vote on it. But you vote for the state govts.

 

[peach174]

The love affair with guns continues, over 1000 posts, many arguing that their gun is the best gun. What is the attraction?

These gun nuts are embarrassed about their tiny penis size, so they have to compensate by talking about how high caliber and awesome their metal bang bang didloes are.

It took a while but there you go.......another anti gunner who gets sexually excited when guns are discussed.....whoever you are...get help.....somewhere in the wiring of your brain you have associated the natural act of sex with the object we call firearms....it is not normal, you need help....

Yep. These people are pretty useless. They have no non emotional, logical, arguments so they resort to personal insults and whining.

My argument is this: I want to stop the 33,000 gun deaths in this country. You pieces of shit don't.

I don't support the death sentence, but I would be happy to sentence the entire membership of the NRA to life imprisonment for the 33,000 deaths a year they cause[/QUOTE


Then do the same for car manufacturers and sales of cars because they cause a lot more than 33,0000 deaths.

 

[peach174]

dont what you are trying to prove

bear arms according to the second is the right of the people

Repeal Judicial Review Before We Are All Disarmed

Hillary's SCROTUS appointees will say that you can keep your arms in the National Guard armory and bear them when your unit is activated.

Then who interprets the constitution if not the Supreme Court?

the SC ruled that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right not a militia right

Not if the SC turns liberal and it will if Hillary gets elected.
A liberal court will rule it's only a militia right.
The very same types who got rid of the State citizen milita at the begging of the last century and put in Gov. Controled State Militia.

This is scare mongering from the right. It seems they think this is the fear they can use most to turn people against Hillary. They tried the "He'll take your guns" against Obama and it didn't work and didn't happen.

No
It's based on past rulings of liberal judges and historical facts.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Yes it does. It says "the right to bear arms".

As I've already shown. The founding fathers used "bear arms" synonymously with "render military service" and "militia duty".

Amendment II: House of Representatives, Amendments to the Constitution

It's here. This is the meaning of "bear arms".

dont what you are trying to prove

bear arms according to the second is the right of the people

Repeal Judicial Review Before We Are All Disarmed

Hillary's SCROTUS appointees will say that you can keep your arms in the National Guard armory and bear them when your unit is activated.

Then who interprets the constitution if not the Supreme Court?

the SC ruled that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right not a militia right

Not if the SC turns liberal and it will if Hillary gets elected.
A liberal court will rule it's only a militia right.
The very same types who got rid of the State citizen milita at the begging of the last century and put in Gov. Controled State Militia.

no matter how corrupt the country has become

the state rights will be of importance

we have our own firearms laws out here for example

 

[westwall]

The love affair with guns continues, over 1000 posts, many arguing that their gun is the best gun. What is the attraction?

These gun nuts are embarrassed about their tiny penis size, so they have to compensate by talking about how high caliber and awesome their metal bang bang didloes are.

It took a while but there you go.......another anti gunner who gets sexually excited when guns are discussed.....whoever you are...get help.....somewhere in the wiring of your brain you have associated the natural act of sex with the object we call firearms....it is not normal, you need help....

Yep. These people are pretty useless. They have no non emotional, logical, arguments so they resort to personal insults and whining.

My argument is this: I want to stop the 33,000 gun deaths in this country. You pieces of shit don't.

I don't support the death sentence, but I would be happy to sentence the entire membership of the NRA to life imprisonment for the 33,000 deaths a year they cause

No, your argument is "I want to destroy the Rights of 85 million people to prevent the 11,000 criminal deaths created overwhelmingly by the illegals that I have imported. And I don't care that the 85 million people are doing nothing wrong. It is MY will that should dominate them."

Fuck you.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Repeal Judicial Review Before We Are All Disarmed

Hillary's SCROTUS appointees will say that you can keep your arms in the National Guard armory and bear them when your unit is activated.

Then who interprets the constitution if not the Supreme Court?

the SC ruled that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right not a militia right

Not if the SC turns liberal and it will if Hillary gets elected.
A liberal court will rule it's only a militia right.
The very same types who got rid of the State citizen milita at the begging of the last century and put in Gov. Controled State Militia.

This is scare mongering from the right. It seems they think this is the fear they can use most to turn people against Hillary. They tried the "He'll take your guns" against Obama and it didn't work and didn't happen.

No
It's based on past rulings of liberal judges and historical facts.

Oh, so all liberal judges will be on the Supreme Court. You're also ignoring that the Senate plays a part in putting a justice into the Supreme Court.

Breyer, in DC v. Heller, didn't go fully for the individual argument, just that an individual right has limitations.

You can read Steven's dissent and tell me whether he would be voting for a "collective right" or not.

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER

"Specifically, there is no indication that the Framers of the Amendment intended to enshrine the common-law right of self-defense in the Constitution."

Which is actually right. The 2A was not about self defense in any way. It's about the militia. Individuals have two rights, the right to be in the militia and the right to own a weapon, and the 2A protects those, but not so people can defend themselves. However self defense would come from another part of the Bill of Rights.

In fact Stevens says he upholds the Miller view of things. And after Miller there was no collective right implemented.

So, you can say "they will take away our guns", but you're not providing any evidence for it.

 

[2aguy]

Then who interprets the constitution if not the Supreme Court?

the SC ruled that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right not a militia right

Not if the SC turns liberal and it will if Hillary gets elected.
A liberal court will rule it's only a militia right.
The very same types who got rid of the State citizen milita at the begging of the last century and put in Gov. Controled State Militia.

This is scare mongering from the right. It seems they think this is the fear they can use most to turn people against Hillary. They tried the "He'll take your guns" against Obama and it didn't work and didn't happen.

No
It's based on past rulings of liberal judges and historical facts.

Oh, so all liberal judges will be on the Supreme Court. You're also ignoring that the Senate plays a part in putting a justice into the Supreme Court.

Breyer, in DC v. Heller, didn't go fully for the individual argument, just that an individual right has limitations.

You can read Steven's dissent and tell me whether he would be voting for a "collective right" or not.

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER

"Specifically, there is no indication that the Framers of the Amendment intended to enshrine the common-law right of self-defense in the Constitution."

Which is actually right. The 2A was not about self defense in any way. It's about the militia. Individuals have two rights, the right to be in the militia and the right to own a weapon, and the 2A protects those, but not so people can defend themselves. However self defense would come from another part of the Bill of Rights.

In fact Stevens says he upholds the Miller view of things. And after Miller there was no collective right implemented.

So, you can say "they will take away our guns", but you're not providing any evidence for it.

Breyer stated in an NPR a interview that there was no right to even have a gun for home protection.......

The 2nd Amendment is about the right to bear arms....you asswipes can lie again and again and distort the plain English...but it has been and always will be an individual right....

 

[2aguy]

dont what you are trying to prove

bear arms according to the second is the right of the people

Repeal Judicial Review Before We Are All Disarmed

Hillary's SCROTUS appointees will say that you can keep your arms in the National Guard armory and bear them when your unit is activated.

Then who interprets the constitution if not the Supreme Court?

the SC ruled that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right not a militia right

Not if the SC turns liberal and it will if Hillary gets elected.
A liberal court will rule it's only a militia right.
The very same types who got rid of the State citizen milita at the begging of the last century and put in Gov. Controled State Militia.

This is scare mongering from the right. It seems they think this is the fear they can use most to turn people against Hillary. They tried the "He'll take your guns" against Obama and it didn't work and didn't happen.

He appointed the appellate judges and they have ignored heller....he needed democrats to cram Obamacare through so he didn't push gun grabbing..he didn't want to lose democrats to anti gun votes moron....so he bided his time and stacked the important lower courts.....

 

[2aguy]

The love affair with guns continues, over 1000 posts, many arguing that their gun is the best gun. What is the attraction?

These gun nuts are embarrassed about their tiny penis size, so they have to compensate by talking about how high caliber and awesome their metal bang bang didloes are.

It took a while but there you go.......another anti gunner who gets sexually excited when guns are discussed.....whoever you are...get help.....somewhere in the wiring of your brain you have associated the natural act of sex with the object we call firearms....it is not normal, you need help....

Yep. These people are pretty useless. They have no non emotional, logical, arguments so they resort to personal insults and whining.

My argument is this: I want to stop the 33,000 gun deaths in this country. You pieces of shit don't.

I don't support the death sentence, but I would be happy to sentence the entire membership of the NRA to life imprisonment for the 33,000 deaths a year they cause

Moron..Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to save lives and stop violent attacks.......and in 2014 non gun suicide out numbered gun suicide....Japan, china, and South Korea disarmed normal people...and their suicide rates are higher than ours....dittos for France and most of Europe and throw in
Canada too....

 

[ChairmanGonzalo]

The love affair with guns continues, over 1000 posts, many arguing that their gun is the best gun. What is the attraction?

These gun nuts are embarrassed about their tiny penis size, so they have to compensate by talking about how high caliber and awesome their metal bang bang didloes are.

It took a while but there you go.......another anti gunner who gets sexually excited when guns are discussed.....whoever you are...get help.....somewhere in the wiring of your brain you have associated the natural act of sex with the object we call firearms....it is not normal, you need help....

Yep. These people are pretty useless. They have no non emotional, logical, arguments so they resort to personal insults and whining.

My argument is this: I want to stop the 33,000 gun deaths in this country. You pieces of shit don't.

I don't support the death sentence, but I would be happy to sentence the entire membership of the NRA to life imprisonment for the 33,000 deaths a year they cause

Moron..Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to save lives and stop violent attacks.......and in 2014 non gun suicide out numbered gun suicide....Japan, china, and South Korea disarmed normal people...and their suicide rates are higher than ours....dittos for France and most of Europe and throw in
Canada too....

The 1.5 million number is a lie. The actual number of self defense firearm uses in the us is estimated to be between 300 to 1000, FAR, FAR less than the number of murders by firearm. And in most of those 300-1000 cases, a better alarm system, a guard dog, locking the doors, or a quicker police response would have been far better solutions than the ending of a life simply to prevent a tv or a painting from being taken.

 

[MindWars]

I am a veteran of the United States Army. I served as a 12B (Combat Engineer) in the 37th Engineer Battalion, part of the illustrious 82nd Airborne Division

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why any civilian needs or wants to own an assault rifle. During OSUT (a form of initial training where Basic and AIT are rolled into one course), we learned that our rifles were deadly weapons, designed solely for killing the enemy on a battlefield. When we trained with our weapons, we had to shoot a "qualification" test. We were presented with forty popup targets, one after another at different distances, from fifty to three hundred meters, all in very quick succession. We had to kill at least twenty three targets to pass the test, but most of us, including those of us who never fired a gun before, easily shot thirty or more targets. All this was in the span of less than two minutes, and we even had to reload once in that time. I don't get why any civilian needs to kill thirty people in two minutes, unless he is deliberately causing carnage and mass death.

The civilian AR15 is just a M-4 carbine by any other name. The only difference is that it does not have burst capacity. That is not nearly as big a difference as the NRA makes it out to be. We never, ever used burst mode in the military, since it wasted ammo, was inaccurate, and generally useless. Besides for that difference, the AR 15 is the exact same as the M4. The M4's features are designed to kill a large number of people in a short amount of time, including a detachable magazine which allows for rapid reloading and a buffer tube and muzzle brake which dampens recoil, so that a shooter can fire off a large number of rounds with minimal affect on accuracy.

All the arguments about " I need my AR 15 for hunting" or "I need my Ar15 for self defense" are entirely ridiculous. The 5.56 Nato round, which the Ar15 uses, is designed to pierce body armor. Which deer wears body armor? And your fantasies about shooting fifteen home invaders at once is just that: a fantasy which will likely never happen. The only real purpose of the AR 15 in American society is to kill large numbers of clubgoers, schoolchildren, or innocent bystanders at a time.

And for those of you who claim that "my Ar15 will protect me from tyranny," guess what, you're wrong. In my time in the military, I saw that no civilian rebellion would ever stand a chance against us. We have M1 Abrams tanks which can survive multiple rocket hits. We have drones which can bomb your house while being controlled by a person a thousand miles away. If worst came to worst, we have nuclear weapons which can quickly bring a seceding city or state into the stone age.

let's also talk about concealed carry. You are civilians. You are not deployed to a foreign country halfway around the globe. You are not fighting basically an entire for the sake of securing their oil supplies. You are not under constant threat of attack from people defending their homes from foreign invaders.

Therefore, you have no reason to carry a gun in public. Nobody needs to carry a handgun into mcDonald's or into a bank. You are not in a war zone.

And don;t give me the bs that concealed carry decreases crime. It has been proven, by STANFORD UNIVERSITY, that concealed carry actually INCREASES violent crime:

Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows

Trust me, I used to be an NRA member myself when i was 18. I bought into the propaganda because i was stupid, uninformed, and thought it was fun to play with guns. After joining the military, I learned to treat firearms, especially assault rifles, as tools of death and destruction, something which should be kept out of most civilian hands.

The right wing claims to respect veterans, so please listen to the words of a former soldier. I trained with assault rifles. I carried an assault rifle as part of my job. I can tell you that the military M-4 and the Ar-15 are nearly identical, and that no civilian needs a weapon designed to kill dozens of people in a matter of minutes.

Sounds to me like a sever case of indoctrination has set in. When this Country goes under we should have every right to defend ourselves. The only douche bags that suggest no need for the right to bear arms are the ones who have no idea how history is repeating.
Economic collapse what will you defend your family with a loaf of bread, yeah that will work out just peachy.

 

[2aguy]

These gun nuts are embarrassed about their tiny penis size, so they have to compensate by talking about how high caliber and awesome their metal bang bang didloes are.

It took a while but there you go.......another anti gunner who gets sexually excited when guns are discussed.....whoever you are...get help.....somewhere in the wiring of your brain you have associated the natural act of sex with the object we call firearms....it is not normal, you need help....

Yep. These people are pretty useless. They have no non emotional, logical, arguments so they resort to personal insults and whining.

My argument is this: I want to stop the 33,000 gun deaths in this country. You pieces of shit don't.

I don't support the death sentence, but I would be happy to sentence the entire membership of the NRA to life imprisonment for the 33,000 deaths a year they cause

Moron..Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to save lives and stop violent attacks.......and in 2014 non gun suicide out numbered gun suicide....Japan, china, and South Korea disarmed normal people...and their suicide rates are higher than ours....dittos for France and most of Europe and throw in
Canada too....

The 1.5 million number is a lie. The actual number of self defense firearm uses in the us is estimated to be between 300 to 1000, FAR, FAR less than the number of murders by firearm. And in most of those 300-1000 cases, a better alarm system, a guard dog, locking the doors, or a quicker police response would have been far better solutions than the ending of a life simply to prevent a tv or a painting from being taken.

You truly are a moron....that particular number comes from bill clinton's Department of Justice study on gun self defense.....you provide no link..........and simply pull that number out of your ass......I have a feeling you got that particular number from an anti gun site that took that number from the FBI justifiable homicide stats.....which puts the justifiable killing of scum bags at about 235 a year....killing them....not scaring them off as are most cases of gun self defense, or wounding them or simply capturing them....which is where the 1,500,000 number comes from...and that is just one study that shows the number that high you twit.....

 

[MindWars]

Didn't you take an oath to defend the Constitution? Do you happen to know what it says? JW

The constitution says that "the people" as a whole are allowed to bear arms to form "well regulated militias"

Basically, there is a collective right for civilians to form an armed force to stand by in readiness to defend the country. The second amendment is therefore fulfilled by the existence of the U.S military

oh bullshit
"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
You leftist totalitarians are ALWAYS trying to "interpret" basic sayings. Its pathetic. Try honesty. Or at least try to think.

Back when the constitution was written, the vast majority of voters rejected the idea of a standing army. However, the founding fathers thought that it was important for the country to have a standing military in case of emergencies.

Therefore, they wrote the second amendment in order to grant the "people" (not individuals, but the people as a whole) to form and maintain a military in spite of the public opposition to a standing army.

Even though the fucking people that wrote it say different? Get outta here

The constitution was written 200 years ago, by rich white slave owners, when women and people of color weren't allowed to vote. The times change. The meaning of the constitution changes too.

Besides, the founding fathers made it clear that they wanted a "well regulated milita," aka one that received basic training and were under organized discipline and had a set chain of command

THAT 200 year old document is what keeps this Country free brainiac, they knew what would happen if the Government became too big just as it is doing now. Best learn to research and read what goes on in all the other Countries that have had their right to bear arms taken away. Wishing for a criminal to go away doesn't work. where the hell have you been on planet fantasy?

 

[2aguy]

These gun nuts are embarrassed about their tiny penis size, so they have to compensate by talking about how high caliber and awesome their metal bang bang didloes are.

It took a while but there you go.......another anti gunner who gets sexually excited when guns are discussed.....whoever you are...get help.....somewhere in the wiring of your brain you have associated the natural act of sex with the object we call firearms....it is not normal, you need help....

Yep. These people are pretty useless. They have no non emotional, logical, arguments so they resort to personal insults and whining.

My argument is this: I want to stop the 33,000 gun deaths in this country. You pieces of shit don't.

I don't support the death sentence, but I would be happy to sentence the entire membership of the NRA to life imprisonment for the 33,000 deaths a year they cause

Moron..Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to save lives and stop violent attacks.......and in 2014 non gun suicide out numbered gun suicide....Japan, china, and South Korea disarmed normal people...and their suicide rates are higher than ours....dittos for France and most of Europe and throw in
Canada too....

The 1.5 million number is a lie. The actual number of self defense firearm uses in the us is estimated to be between 300 to 1000, FAR, FAR less than the number of murders by firearm. And in most of those 300-1000 cases, a better alarm system, a guard dog, locking the doors, or a quicker police response would have been far better solutions than the ending of a life simply to prevent a tv or a painting from being taken.

here you go idiot....actual research....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[MindWars]

It took a while but there you go.......another anti gunner who gets sexually excited when guns are discussed.....whoever you are...get help.....somewhere in the wiring of your brain you have associated the natural act of sex with the object we call firearms....it is not normal, you need help....

Yep. These people are pretty useless. They have no non emotional, logical, arguments so they resort to personal insults and whining.

My argument is this: I want to stop the 33,000 gun deaths in this country. You pieces of shit don't.

I don't support the death sentence, but I would be happy to sentence the entire membership of the NRA to life imprisonment for the 33,000 deaths a year they cause

Moron..Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to save lives and stop violent attacks.......and in 2014 non gun suicide out numbered gun suicide....Japan, china, and South Korea disarmed normal people...and their suicide rates are higher than ours....dittos for France and most of Europe and throw in
Canada too....

The 1.5 million number is a lie. The actual number of self defense firearm uses in the us is estimated to be between 300 to 1000, FAR, FAR less than the number of murders by firearm. And in most of those 300-1000 cases, a better alarm system, a guard dog, locking the doors, or a quicker police response would have been far better solutions than the ending of a life simply to prevent a tv or a painting from being taken.

here you go idiot....actual research....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

FBI: NEARLY 5X MORE MURDERS COMMITTED WITH KNIVES THAN ASSAULT ...
Oct 1, 2015 ... The new crime statistics released by the agency reveal that out of ... Granted, the FBIdid list 2,052 murders under “unknown firearm type,” but ...

 

[2aguy]

Yep. These people are pretty useless. They have no non emotional, logical, arguments so they resort to personal insults and whining.

My argument is this: I want to stop the 33,000 gun deaths in this country. You pieces of shit don't.

I don't support the death sentence, but I would be happy to sentence the entire membership of the NRA to life imprisonment for the 33,000 deaths a year they cause

Moron..Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to save lives and stop violent attacks.......and in 2014 non gun suicide out numbered gun suicide....Japan, china, and South Korea disarmed normal people...and their suicide rates are higher than ours....dittos for France and most of Europe and throw in
Canada too....

The 1.5 million number is a lie. The actual number of self defense firearm uses in the us is estimated to be between 300 to 1000, FAR, FAR less than the number of murders by firearm. And in most of those 300-1000 cases, a better alarm system, a guard dog, locking the doors, or a quicker police response would have been far better solutions than the ending of a life simply to prevent a tv or a painting from being taken.

here you go idiot....actual research....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

FBI: NEARLY 5X MORE MURDERS COMMITTED WITH KNIVES THAN ASSAULT ...
Oct 1, 2015 ... The new crime statistics released by the agency reveal that out of ... Granted, the FBIdid list 2,052 murders under “unknown firearm type,” but ...

here is the Table...for 2015....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

Gun murder....9,616

rifles....252

knives 1,544

clubs 437

hands 624