A Mother Puts the Benghazi Hearings in Perspective.

[mudwhistle]

Moral relativism is a piss-poor excuse.

So you supported Gaddafi's flooding of Darfur with automatic weapons and civil war in Chad then?

Nope.

Did I give any impression that I was his bestist buddy?

You called him easily controllable and seemed to imply that he wasn't a threat to regional stability. I would posit that his regional actions showcased exactly the opposite. You seem inclined to completely ignore them.

Actually you're guilty of making false assumptions.

But what else is new.

My assumption is that you don't know much about Gaddafi and his years in office (or Libya for that matter), and had very little understanding of his actions in the region (such as in Darfur and Chad). You called him tame and easily controllable, but that goes completely against what Gaddafi has showcased his entire stint in office. When you can support your assertion, let me know.

I don't think I asserted anything other than this.... creating a vacuum only made the situation worse

 

[Osomir]

So you supported Gaddafi's flooding of Darfur with automatic weapons and civil war in Chad then?

Nope.

Did I give any impression that I was his bestist buddy?

You called him easily controllable and seemed to imply that he wasn't a threat to regional stability. I would posit that his regional actions showcased exactly the opposite. You seem inclined to completely ignore them.

Actually you're guilty of making false assumptions.

But what else is new.

My assumption is that you don't know much about Gaddafi and his years in office (or Libya for that matter), and had very little understanding of his actions in the region (such as in Darfur and Chad). You called him tame and easily controllable, but that goes completely against what Gaddafi has showcased his entire stint in office. When you can support your assertion, let me know.

I don't think I asserted anything other than this.... creating a vacuum only made the situation worse

How is the Libyan people having the opportunity to create a modern state in the area for the first time in modern history worse? How is what is happening in Libya worse than genocide in Darfur, or almost 30 years of conflict in Chad?

 

[Synthaholic]

This is a sad video.

It's disgusting how FoxNews has used this woman and fed her misinformation to exacerbate her grief.

And it's almost as disgusting that Andrea Mitchell doesn't simply state the facts to her, and lets her go on spouting the Fox lies.

 

[Synthaholic]

"A Mother Puts the Benghazi Hearings in Perspective."

A rightist tries to exploit 'Benghazi' for some perceived partisan gain.

and what did you lefties do to help this woman out. Oh... that would hurt hillary's numbers to.

What do you want us to do?

What's stopping you from sending her your money?

 

[tyroneweaver]

"A Mother Puts the Benghazi Hearings in Perspective."

A rightist tries to exploit 'Benghazi' for some perceived partisan gain.

and what did you lefties do to help this woman out. Oh... that would hurt hillary's numbers to.

What do you want us to do?

What's stopping you from sending her your money?

How many witness's did the left call in the Benghazi hearings???
All I seen on tv was grandstanding.

 

[jc456]

"A Mother Puts the Benghazi Hearings in Perspective."

A rightist tries to exploit 'Benghazi' for some perceived partisan gain.

and what did you lefties do to help this woman out. Oh... that would hurt hillary's numbers to.

What do you want us to do?

What's stopping you from sending her your money?

How many witness's did the left call in the Benghazi hearings???
All I seen on tv was grandstanding.

no, it was a disgrace to everyone of the four families. These lib nutjobs give two rats asses about the families and prosecuting anyone affiliated with the screw up. It is a sad day for sure.

 

[mudwhistle]

Nope.

Did I give any impression that I was his bestist buddy?

You called him easily controllable and seemed to imply that he wasn't a threat to regional stability. I would posit that his regional actions showcased exactly the opposite. You seem inclined to completely ignore them.

Actually you're guilty of making false assumptions.

But what else is new.

My assumption is that you don't know much about Gaddafi and his years in office (or Libya for that matter), and had very little understanding of his actions in the region (such as in Darfur and Chad). You called him tame and easily controllable, but that goes completely against what Gaddafi has showcased his entire stint in office. When you can support your assertion, let me know.

I don't think I asserted anything other than this.... creating a vacuum only made the situation worse

How is the Libyan people having the opportunity to create a modern state in the area for the first time in modern history worse? How is what is happening in Libya worse than genocide in Darfur, or almost 30 years of conflict in Chad?

What makes you think that Libya isn't becoming just like Chad and Darfur?

 

[mudwhistle]

This is a sad video.

It's disgusting how FoxNews has used this woman and fed her misinformation to exacerbate her grief.

And it's almost as disgusting that Andrea Mitchell doesn't simply state the facts to her, and lets her go on spouting the Fox lies.

Andrea Mitchell works for NBC.

Her husband is Allen Greenspan.


Talking about the Fox guarding the henhouse.

 

[charwin95]

Number of U.S. embassy staff that was evacuated prior to the attack was more than 30. My first question is...Why 4 was left behind?
Two of those that died was Doherty and Woods former navy seals as security probably armed. My second question is... Why didn't they killed any of these terrorists?

 

[mudwhistle]

Number of U.S. embassy staff that was evacuated prior to the attack was more than 30. My first question is...Why 4 was left behind?
Two of those that died was Doherty and Woods former navy seals as security probably armed. My second question is... Why didn't they killed any of these terrorists?

Because the guns were protecting their rendition site...not the ambassador.

 

[daws101]

They knew the job was dangerous when they took it.

They also thought their employer, the State Department, had their backs.

They had warnings about that attack and their bosses did nothing.

If that works for you then you truly are one partisan idiot.

Either way help would not have arrived in time .
We have no us or alied intervention force close enough to have rescued them.
Why, because the necessary funding was voted down .
Without that nothing Hillary could have done would have changed the outcome.
In reality the calvary rarely arrives in the nick of time to save the day.
Own it .

they had weeks bubba!!!!

actually no, they had warnings for weeks but no orders were given.
like I said it was a cluster fuck no one person is to blame.
blaming Hillary after the fact and at this late date is desperate political maneuvering .
it changes nothing.

 

[daws101]

So will you then condemn the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan here since they cost thousands of healthy American lives? And tens of thousands of civilian lives? If you can't see the difference then it is willful partisan blindness.

Do you care more about the life of one ambassador over the lives of thousands of US soldiers?

I don't condemn the mission in Libya. The way it was carried out is what deserves condemnation. But, these different missions are like comparing apples and oranges.Bush took out the Taliban in Afghanistan and did pretty much what Obama attempted to do in Libya. He was successful. Iraq was a different story....totally different mission. Afghanistan was the clean war according to Democrats. ....and they, not Bush, turned it into a mess after he left office.

And yet Afghanistan still cost us FAR FAR more in US and civilian lives than Libya did.

Whose fault is that?

Not Bush.

You're an idiot obviously.

It's impossible for you to learn from past mistakes because you're a bean counter...not a military strategist.

lol we lost far more people and suffered far greater civilian casualties in Afghanistan while Bush was in office than we have in Libya. Once again: your double standards are showing.

More soldiers has died in Afghanistan under Obama, than under Bush. You know that don't you?

gee, maybe the two wars bush got us into might have facilitated that don't ya think?
got any more irrelevant stats?

 

[daws101]

They knew the job was dangerous when they took it.

They also thought their employer, the State Department, had their backs.

They had warnings about that attack and their bosses did nothing.

If that works for you then you truly are one partisan idiot.

Either way help would not have arrived in time .
We have no us or alied intervention force close enough to have rescued them.
Why, because the necessary funding was voted down .
Without that nothing Hillary could have done would have changed the outcome.
In reality the calvary rarely arrives in the nick of time to save the day.
Own it .

Hillary owns it.

Obama owns it.


And you still support them.

When you say own it.....it's just words.

in one way or another we all own it.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

This is a sad video. The grand standing politicians let this thing get away from them.

We needed answers to why 4 Americans were left defenseless, not a bunch of hooey about dropping Hillaries poll numbers.

The mom, of course nails it.


She asked 'Why? Why wasnt there any help?..Why did they sacrifice my only child?... You cant understand, my only child was murdered and nobody will tell me why....He was the only thing that was going to help me when I get old. I am old now, who do I have to listen to? Whose going to help me now? He's not around and the government wont talk to me. "

It would have been great if the Benghazi Committee had tried to find out why there wasn't any help and what could be changed for the future instead of trying to hurt Hillary's poll numbers.

In the meantime, the GOP will try as hard as they can to abuse this poor woman by parading her around until they forget about her in November of next year.

I think they just wanted the truth....and they got nothing but bullshit from her.

They wanted THEIR TRUTH. Big difference.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Number of U.S. embassy staff that was evacuated prior to the attack was more than 30. My first question is...Why 4 was left behind?
Two of those that died was Doherty and Woods former navy seals as security probably armed. My second question is... Why didn't they killed any of these terrorists?

The first question should be addressed to the Hildebeest, the second is based on speculation. You don't know they didn't kill terrorists.

But at least you're confessing that they were terrorists, not protesters. That's progress.

 

[daws101]

The security was in place based on modern COIN principles of light footprint tactics. Sure the security could have been higher, but it was a risk that we were willing to take and one we suffered for; It was worth taking though given the importance of maintaining an international presence in Benghazi.

Who the fuck is "we"? You aren't risking shit. It's every embassador on foreign soil that's at risk of a Democrat not coming to their aid when the shit starts flying. The only thing you're risking in your Mom's basement is gingivitis.

Our actions overseas have very real security impacts for the entire world, and for our own country as well.

The only real security impact our embassies experience is having a Democrat in office. Since you helped put the Magic Negro in office, I blame you for what happened in Ben Ghazi.

I guess all of Gaddafi's internationally sponsored terrorist acts didn't kill anyone then? I'll let the rest of the world know

The difference is we hit them hard. To date nothing has been done about Ben Ghazi except Bucky threatening to bring the perpetrators to justice (eyes rolling). When Iraqis attempted to assassinate George Bush the Greater, he nailed them with a volley of cruise missiles. Our enemies will never respect us, they can only fear us, and that only happens when a Republican is in office.

there you go itchin' to swat the wasp nest again.
to get the result you want we'd have to nuke the whole region.

 

[daws101]

So let me get this straight:

Lower body count
Lower financial cost
Better results
Lower political cost
Better relationship building
Truly multilateral
Far shorter in duration

But too risky? Especially in the face of the "risk" of Afghanistan and Iraq? Come on. You're just trying too hard now.

And four americans sacrificed,

A terrible loss, and something to learn from; but far better than the thousands lost in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The only thing you seem to have learned is that 4 dead bodies is less important because you side was using you favorite strategies....so there will be a repeat of this until your side gets their butts kicked out of office.

I'd rather a repeat of Libya than a repeat of any stage of Iraq.

Moral relativism is a piss-poor excuse.

all morality is relative making it a meaningless argument.

 

[Osomir]

You called him easily controllable and seemed to imply that he wasn't a threat to regional stability. I would posit that his regional actions showcased exactly the opposite. You seem inclined to completely ignore them.

Actually you're guilty of making false assumptions.

But what else is new.

My assumption is that you don't know much about Gaddafi and his years in office (or Libya for that matter), and had very little understanding of his actions in the region (such as in Darfur and Chad). You called him tame and easily controllable, but that goes completely against what Gaddafi has showcased his entire stint in office. When you can support your assertion, let me know.

I don't think I asserted anything other than this.... creating a vacuum only made the situation worse

How is the Libyan people having the opportunity to create a modern state in the area for the first time in modern history worse? How is what is happening in Libya worse than genocide in Darfur, or almost 30 years of conflict in Chad?

What makes you think that Libya isn't becoming just like Chad and Darfur?

The fact that I follow the situation in those three places on a daily basis. Do you have something which indicates that it is?

 

[jc456]

They knew the job was dangerous when they took it.

They also thought their employer, the State Department, had their backs.

They had warnings about that attack and their bosses did nothing.

If that works for you then you truly are one partisan idiot.

Either way help would not have arrived in time .
We have no us or alied intervention force close enough to have rescued them.
Why, because the necessary funding was voted down .
Without that nothing Hillary could have done would have changed the outcome.
In reality the calvary rarely arrives in the nick of time to save the day.
Own it .

they had weeks bubba!!!!

actually no, they had warnings for weeks but no orders were given.
like I said it was a cluster fuck no one person is to blame.
blaming Hillary after the fact and at this late date is desperate political maneuvering .
it changes nothing.

no she was the one responsible for the lack of attention. It was her job. Throwing your hands up sets zero expectation out of the office that people occupy. She is to blame. Sorry if that ruffles her feathers, but she is responsible for the cluster. Someone is always responsible. It's accountability and it goes with the office.

 

[jc456]

They knew the job was dangerous when they took it.

They also thought their employer, the State Department, had their backs.

They had warnings about that attack and their bosses did nothing.

If that works for you then you truly are one partisan idiot.

Either way help would not have arrived in time .
We have no us or alied intervention force close enough to have rescued them.
Why, because the necessary funding was voted down .
Without that nothing Hillary could have done would have changed the outcome.
In reality the calvary rarely arrives in the nick of time to save the day.
Own it .

Hillary owns it.

Obama owns it.


And you still support them.

When you say own it.....it's just words.

in one way or another we all own it.

no we don't, Hilary was appointed.