A question for the anti-choice crowd.

[kaz]

Okay. Now, this is a question specifically directed towards the anti-choice activists. Let us begin with the most common premise of the anti-choice folks: A fetus is a person. Abortion is killing a person without justification. Ergo, abortion is essentially state sanctioned murder. (Now, let us be clear, I Do. NOT agree with this premise, at all. However, it is the premise of nearly every anti-choice advocate. So, to follow this position to its logical conclusion, we are going to allow this premise from the outset.)

So, we have established that a fetus is a person, and abortion is equivalent to murder. Proceeding from that premise, there are actually two people involved in the planning, and executing of said murder - the doctor, and the pregnant woman. Now, the anti-choice advocates have made no secret of their contempt for the doctors who participate in abortions, Oklahoma going so far as to pass a new law criminalizing abortions, and levying heavy penalties against the doctors who participate. However, no one, including Oklahoma, seems interested in punishing, or even acknowledging, the pregnant woman's role in this action. So. What about her? What punishment is reasonable for a woman who contracts a medical professional to murder her unborn child?

You're leaving out one person who without involvement, an abortion wouldn't be needed.

You've left out the man who made her pregnant.

If the woman is to be punished for an abortion then the man who made her pregnant should also be punished.

There's a large segment of men who make babies then just walk away without even looking back to see what they've done.

Many even deny they were the one who made that woman pregnant.

Women can't get pregnant alone against their will. So if doctors and women are to be punished so should the men who made the woman pregnant.

In every conversation about abortion and pregnancy, the man who made that woman pregnant is always left out of any responsibility for what he's done.

So you're giving the man the power to stop her from getting an abortion? How are you going to do that?

 

[kaz]

So you want a woman to die because her pregnancy went wrong.

There are only 2 outcomes to an ectopic ppregnanc.......

So the argument that a fertilized egg is life isn't a valid argument. Especially in an ectopic pregnancy.

Every year about 65 thousand ectopic pregnancies happen in America.

By your views, 65 thousand women should die.

How pro life.

I'm not Pro-Life. I'm Anti-Abortion. I have routinely commented that there are only two acceptable circumstances for an abortion....

1. The act which created the pregnancy was not consensual.

2. The life of the mother is in immediate danger of being ended if the pregnancy isn't terminated.

Other than that, the "Choice" was made when she consented to the sexual act that got her pregnant.

Who's forcing you to get an abortion?

 

[Dana7360]

Why do liberals claim to respect science while totally ignoring it when it comes to abortion?

We don't. Science says a fetus isn't a person yet, and they are often spontaneously aborted, and you sometimes have to induce abortion to save the health or life of the woman. That is the science, which you refuse to accept.

Nonsense. Science says a near full term unborn baby is a living human being. Pro-aborts strenuously try to deny that.

And I would have no problem with your position if it were only "near full term" abortions that you wanted to limit. But, it isn't, is it?

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Too late. They're already limited.

Roe V Wade makes it illegal to abort a viable fetus with the exceptions being a threat to the woman's life or there's a very serious problem with the pregnancy.

On top of the regulations that Roe V Wade list, the bush boy banned late term abortions in 2005.

 

[Dana7360]

I doubt that many women choose to use abortion as their primary method of birth control.

It's impossible to use abortion as birth control.

If it was then women would be having an abortion multiple times a year. They don't.

In fact, it's illegal to perform an abortion less than 6 months after one has been performed. A doctor can lose their license to practice if they perform an abortion on a woman who has already had one less than 6 months prior.

Plus if a woman has too many abortions or has one too soon after they've already had one, the woman will likely be left infertile.

This garbage about using abortion as birth control is just that. Garbage.

It's impossible to use abortion as birth control.

 

[Anathema]

Who's forcing you to get an abortion?

For me or my wife - Nobody. We wouldn't ever have an abortion.

 

[Dana7360]

Okay. Now, this is a question specifically directed towards the anti-choice activists. Let us begin with the most common premise of the anti-choice folks: A fetus is a person. Abortion is killing a person without justification. Ergo, abortion is essentially state sanctioned murder. (Now, let us be clear, I Do. NOT agree with this premise, at all. However, it is the premise of nearly every anti-choice advocate. So, to follow this position to its logical conclusion, we are going to allow this premise from the outset.)

So, we have established that a fetus is a person, and abortion is equivalent to murder. Proceeding from that premise, there are actually two people involved in the planning, and executing of said murder - the doctor, and the pregnant woman. Now, the anti-choice advocates have made no secret of their contempt for the doctors who participate in abortions, Oklahoma going so far as to pass a new law criminalizing abortions, and levying heavy penalties against the doctors who participate. However, no one, including Oklahoma, seems interested in punishing, or even acknowledging, the pregnant woman's role in this action. So. What about her? What punishment is reasonable for a woman who contracts a medical professional to murder her unborn child?

You're leaving out one person who without involvement, an abortion wouldn't be needed.

You've left out the man who made her pregnant.

If the woman is to be punished for an abortion then the man who made her pregnant should also be punished.

There's a large segment of men who make babies then just walk away without even looking back to see what they've done.

Many even deny they were the one who made that woman pregnant.

Women can't get pregnant alone against their will. So if doctors and women are to be punished so should the men who made the woman pregnant.

In every conversation about abortion and pregnancy, the man who made that woman pregnant is always left out of any responsibility for what he's done.

So you're giving the man the power to stop her from getting an abortion? How are you going to do that?

I'm answering the question of who is to be punished for abortions.

Not giving any man the right to dictate what a woman can do with her body.

If you people want to punish women for having an abortion then you'll have to also punish that man because if he had not been involved, there would be no need for an abortion.

 

[kaz]

Who's forcing you to get an abortion?

Not me or my wife - Nobody. We wouldn't ever have an abortion.

Exactly, so what's the problem? You and your wife have the right to make your own choice, you made it. There is no problem

 

[kaz]

Okay. Now, this is a question specifically directed towards the anti-choice activists. Let us begin with the most common premise of the anti-choice folks: A fetus is a person. Abortion is killing a person without justification. Ergo, abortion is essentially state sanctioned murder. (Now, let us be clear, I Do. NOT agree with this premise, at all. However, it is the premise of nearly every anti-choice advocate. So, to follow this position to its logical conclusion, we are going to allow this premise from the outset.)

So, we have established that a fetus is a person, and abortion is equivalent to murder. Proceeding from that premise, there are actually two people involved in the planning, and executing of said murder - the doctor, and the pregnant woman. Now, the anti-choice advocates have made no secret of their contempt for the doctors who participate in abortions, Oklahoma going so far as to pass a new law criminalizing abortions, and levying heavy penalties against the doctors who participate. However, no one, including Oklahoma, seems interested in punishing, or even acknowledging, the pregnant woman's role in this action. So. What about her? What punishment is reasonable for a woman who contracts a medical professional to murder her unborn child?

You're leaving out one person who without involvement, an abortion wouldn't be needed.

You've left out the man who made her pregnant.

If the woman is to be punished for an abortion then the man who made her pregnant should also be punished.

There's a large segment of men who make babies then just walk away without even looking back to see what they've done.

Many even deny they were the one who made that woman pregnant.

Women can't get pregnant alone against their will. So if doctors and women are to be punished so should the men who made the woman pregnant.

In every conversation about abortion and pregnancy, the man who made that woman pregnant is always left out of any responsibility for what he's done.

So you're giving the man the power to stop her from getting an abortion? How are you going to do that?

I'm answering the question of who is to be punished for abortions.

Not giving any man the right to dictate what a woman can do with her body.

If you people want to punish women for having an abortion then you'll have to also punish that man because if he had not been involved, there would be no need for an abortion.

Exactly, Stewie, you're saying you're "Not giving any man the right to dictate what a woman can do with her body." Yet you're arguing he should be punished for what she does with her body. Stop being an idiot

 

[Anathema]

Exactly, so what's the problem? You and your wife have the right to make your own choice, you made it. There is no problem

The problem is we're killing millions of children for no reason. Have we aborted the child who would have cured cancer? The one who would have found intelligent life on another planet? Solved world hunger? Who knows.

The time to "choose" not to have kids is BEFORE YOU HAVE SEX. Not after.

 

[Unkotare]

I doubt that many women choose to use abortion as their primary method of birth control.

It's impossible to use abortion as birth control.

If it was then women would be having an abortion multiple times a year. They don't.

In fact, it's illegal to perform an abortion less than 6 months after one has been performed. A doctor can lose their license to practice if they perform an abortion on a woman who has already had one less than 6 months prior.

Plus if a woman has too many abortions or has one too soon after they've already had one, the woman will likely be left infertile.

This garbage about using abortion as birth control is just that. Garbage.

It's impossible to use abortion as birth control.

No, it is not.

 

[kaz]

Exactly, so what's the problem? You and your wife have the right to make your own choice, you made it. There is no problem

The problem is we're killing millions of children for no reason. Have we aborted the child who would have cured cancer? The one who would have found intelligent life on another planet? Solved world hunger? Who knows.

The time to "choose" not to have kids is BEFORE YOU HAVE SEX. Not after.

If any of those things would have happened, they will happen shortly anyway.

And it's not up to you to force women to carry babies in their bodies, Mrs. Kravitz. Keep your nose in your own business

 

[Unkotare]

Exactly, so what's the problem? You and your wife have the right to make your own choice, you made it. There is no problem

The problem is we're killing millions of children for no reason. Have we aborted the child who would have cured cancer? The one who would have found intelligent life on another planet? Solved world hunger? Who knows.

The time to "choose" not to have kids is BEFORE YOU HAVE SEX. Not after.

If any of those things would have happened, they will happen shortly anyway.

And it's not up to you to force women to carry babies in their bodies, Mrs. Kravitz. Keep your nose in your own business

And it's not up to you to tell your neighbor she can't come over and dice you into little bits with an axe if that's what she chooses to do with her body. Keep your nose in your own business.

 

[kaz]

Exactly, so what's the problem? You and your wife have the right to make your own choice, you made it. There is no problem

The problem is we're killing millions of children for no reason. Have we aborted the child who would have cured cancer? The one who would have found intelligent life on another planet? Solved world hunger? Who knows.

The time to "choose" not to have kids is BEFORE YOU HAVE SEX. Not after.

If any of those things would have happened, they will happen shortly anyway.

And it's not up to you to force women to carry babies in their bodies, Mrs. Kravitz. Keep your nose in your own business

And it's not up to you to tell your neighbor she can't come over and dice you into little bits with an axe if that's what she chooses to do with her body. Keep your nose in your own business.

You suck at analogies

 

[Anathema]

If any of those things would have happened, they will happen shortly anyway.

That depends on what sort of Universe you believe in, kaz.

And it's not up to you to force women to carry babies in their bodies, Mrs. Kravitz. Keep your nose in your own business.

It's Society's job to enforce Decency and Morality.

 

[2aguy]

Now, I have to admit. I posed this question on a different forum, and only one anti-choice fanatic was willing to respond...

...and his responses were both frightening, and disturbing.

If they banned abortions ID say put her in jail until she hits metapause. Lol

Im noticing anti abortionists would be OK with my mom aborting me. My question to Republicans is this. If a girl has the morality to have pre marital sex and get an abortion, doesn't that most likely mean she's a liberal? And aren't most of these kids growing up to be liberals? They are poor, minorities, non Christians. Do conservatives really want more me's out there?

You don't allow people to be murdered because they might grow up with different political views...that is what you guys on the left have done all around the world....

 

[Unkotare]

Exactly, so what's the problem? You and your wife have the right to make your own choice, you made it. There is no problem

The problem is we're killing millions of children for no reason. Have we aborted the child who would have cured cancer? The one who would have found intelligent life on another planet? Solved world hunger? Who knows.

The time to "choose" not to have kids is BEFORE YOU HAVE SEX. Not after.

If any of those things would have happened, they will happen shortly anyway.

And it's not up to you to force women to carry babies in their bodies, Mrs. Kravitz. Keep your nose in your own business

And it's not up to you to tell your neighbor she can't come over and dice you into little bits with an axe if that's what she chooses to do with her body. Keep your nose in your own business.

You suck at analogies

Don't you dare tell your neighbor what to do with her body, fascist.

 

[2aguy]

Okay. Now, this is a question specifically directed towards the anti-choice activists. Let us begin with the most common premise of the anti-choice folks: A fetus is a person. Abortion is killing a person without justification. Ergo, abortion is essentially state sanctioned murder. (Now, let us be clear, I Do. NOT agree with this premise, at all. However, it is the premise of nearly every anti-choice advocate. So, to follow this position to its logical conclusion, we are going to allow this premise from the outset.)

So, we have established that a fetus is a person, and abortion is equivalent to murder. Proceeding from that premise, there are actually two people involved in the planning, and executing of said murder - the doctor, and the pregnant woman. Now, the anti-choice advocates have made no secret of their contempt for the doctors who participate in abortions, Oklahoma going so far as to pass a new law criminalizing abortions, and levying heavy penalties against the doctors who participate. However, no one, including Oklahoma, seems interested in punishing, or even acknowledging, the pregnant woman's role in this action. So. What about her? What punishment is reasonable for a woman who contracts a medical professional to murder her unborn child?

You're leaving out one person who without involvement, an abortion wouldn't be needed.

You've left out the man who made her pregnant.

If the woman is to be punished for an abortion then the man who made her pregnant should also be punished.

There's a large segment of men who make babies then just walk away without even looking back to see what they've done.

Many even deny they were the one who made that woman pregnant.

Women can't get pregnant alone against their will. So if doctors and women are to be punished so should the men who made the woman pregnant.

In every conversation about abortion and pregnancy, the man who made that woman pregnant is always left out of any responsibility for what he's done.

Wow...not very smart are you.....if the woman keeps the baby then the man can be forced to pay to support the child.....he has no say in wether the mother kills the baby.

You are now in the position of saying you don't want the man to have any say if the baby lives or dies...but if the woman kills the baby then the man gets the punishment too.......not very smart are you?

 

[kaz]

Exactly, so what's the problem? You and your wife have the right to make your own choice, you made it. There is no problem

The problem is we're killing millions of children for no reason. Have we aborted the child who would have cured cancer? The one who would have found intelligent life on another planet? Solved world hunger? Who knows.

The time to "choose" not to have kids is BEFORE YOU HAVE SEX. Not after.

If any of those things would have happened, they will happen shortly anyway.

And it's not up to you to force women to carry babies in their bodies, Mrs. Kravitz. Keep your nose in your own business

And it's not up to you to tell your neighbor she can't come over and dice you into little bits with an axe if that's what she chooses to do with her body. Keep your nose in your own business.

You suck at analogies

Don't you dare tell your neighbor what to do with her body, facist.

You really suck at analogies

 

[2aguy]

So you want a woman to die because her pregnancy went wrong.

There are only 2 outcomes to an ectopic ppregnanc.......

So the argument that a fertilized egg is life isn't a valid argument. Especially in an ectopic pregnancy.

Every year about 65 thousand ectopic pregnancies happen in America.

By your views, 65 thousand women should die.

How pro life.

I'm not Pro-Life. I'm Anti-Abortion. I have routinely commented that there are only two acceptable circumstances for an abortion....

1. The act which created the pregnancy was not consensual.

2. The life of the mother is in immediate danger of being ended if the pregnancy isn't terminated.

Other than that, the "Choice" was made when she consented to the sexual act that got her pregnant.

The only reason to terminate the Pregnancy....the actual life of the mother is in jeapordy....that is called Triage, not murder. Rape and incest should not be a death sentence for the innocent child in the attack......

 

[kaz]

If any of those things would have happened, they will happen shortly anyway.

That depends on what sort of Universe you believe in, kaz.

And it's not up to you to force women to carry babies in their bodies, Mrs. Kravitz. Keep your nose in your own business.

It's Society's job to enforce Decency and Morality.

You have the right to be decent and moral, you have no right to decide what is decent and moral for others. So if we went Muslim, should society be able to take your wife's job, drivers license and make her wear a burka or should that be up to her and her husband?