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Funny thing is Jesus said the same about accumulation of wealth....It's bad.....No wealthy human can enter the kingdom of heaven...and that the wealthy person must give away the riches to the poor...If they do want God, more than accumulated wealth.....A christian communist?Why that's an oxymoron...I am guessing that Jesus was a communist also....and the Bible is the communist manifesto...Funny how you think the Papacy is liberals...It's just a slogan. Virtually all of the left's beliefs can be boiled down to cliches or slogans.
Bush lied, people died
Unfettered capitalism
War on Women
Social Darwinism
GOP Healthcare plan--Die Quickly.
None of it is true. We've had threads debunking all of them. But they continue to repeat them anyway. Because these people are impervious to logic. Impervious to facts. That is why they are liberal progressives.
Talking to me? I didn't say the Pope was a liberal, I said he was a communist. Though the confusion of those two terms is more than understandable.
No, the Pope being a communist would not make Jesus a communist. That's an unjustified assumption.
Never heard the parable of the workers in the field?A christian communist?Why that's an oxymoron...I am guessing that Jesus was a communist also....and the Bible is the communist manifesto...Funny how you think the Papacy is liberals...
Talking to me? I didn't say the Pope was a liberal, I said he was a communist. Though the confusion of those two terms is more than understandable.
Your confusion of charity and communism still doesn't address the question.
The workers were paid the same, no matter what time they started, even if they worked only a half a day, they were paid the same as the ones that worked all day...Never heard the parable of the workers in the field?A christian communist?Why that's an oxymoron...I am guessing that Jesus was a communist also....and the Bible is the communist manifesto...Talking to me? I didn't say the Pope was a liberal, I said he was a communist. Though the confusion of those two terms is more than understandable.
Your confusion of charity and communism still doesn't address the question.
If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's one of the best example of Jesus promoting laissez-faire capitalism in the gospels. An employer pays an employee exactly what he agreed to.
"unfettered capitalism"
"unfettered capitalism"
An example.
The Heirs of Walmart pay enough money to Congress to get them (Congress) to eliminate minimum wage laws and make every state a right to work state. That happens first.
Then the Heirs as Owners of Walmart dictate that every employee will have their wages cut by 2.00 dollars an hour. Or maybe the largest employer in the US decides that employees need to work for the Chinese equivalent wages.
Walmarts bottom line just increased by hundreds of millions of dollars by "controlling" labor costs, which is their right and obligation as a capitalist. The unfettered part is that there is no one to stop my actions. Right there is unfettered capitalism.
It would work till the employees burnt the store down.
[QUOTE="saintmichaeldefendthem, post: 10733683, member: 52097"]Where does there exist or has ever existed a pure capitalist system unencumbered by laws and by regulation?
The workers were paid the same, no matter what time they started, even if they worked only a half a day, they were paid the same as the ones that worked all day...Never heard the parable of the workers in the field?A christian communist?Why that's an oxymoron...I am guessing that Jesus was a communist also....and the Bible is the communist manifesto...
Your confusion of charity and communism still doesn't address the question.
If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's one of the best example of Jesus promoting laissez-faire capitalism in the gospels. An employer pays an employee exactly what he agreed to.
Actually the parable was about God's gifts of eternal life through Christ...The workers were paid the same, no matter what time they started, even if they worked only a half a day, they were paid the same as the ones that worked all day...Never heard the parable of the workers in the field?
Your confusion of charity and communism still doesn't address the question.
If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's one of the best example of Jesus promoting laissez-faire capitalism in the gospels. An employer pays an employee exactly what he agreed to.
Jesus pointed out two things in that parable:
1. An employer has the right to compensate employees as he thinks is right
2. Each employee got the wages he agreed to and was subject to no injustice whatsoever
And so, the parable rejects the Left's covetousness, compensation envy, and the idea that workers can scream "unfair!" after being given the remuneration they agreed to. This and every parable Jesus taught militates against communism. But if you like, I would endlessly enjoy playing WWJD? with you.
Actually the parable was about God's gifts of eternal life through Christ...The workers were paid the same, no matter what time they started, even if they worked only a half a day, they were paid the same as the ones that worked all day...Never heard the parable of the workers in the field?Your confusion of charity and communism still doesn't address the question.
If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's one of the best example of Jesus promoting laissez-faire capitalism in the gospels. An employer pays an employee exactly what he agreed to.
Jesus pointed out two things in that parable:
1. An employer has the right to compensate employees as he thinks is right
2. Each employee got the wages he agreed to and was subject to no injustice whatsoever
And so, the parable rejects the Left's covetousness, compensation envy, and the idea that workers can scream "unfair!" after being given the remuneration they agreed to. This and every parable Jesus taught militates against communism. But if you like, I would endlessly enjoy playing WWJD? with you.
Well what did you expect when you created the stupid thread?Yeah, it's not like George Washington imposed any taxes when taking office, or tariffs....Unfettered capitalism is whatever the fuck makes the most money. Slaves. There you go being able to own and sell slaves is the best way for someone to make money. How about that for unfettered capitalism?It's when it's cheaper to hire new people in place of those who die in work related accidents than to invest in safety equipment. And when your cities are clouded by soot and smog as your kids go to work at the factory for $0.50 an hour.
Citing the era of the nascent Industrial Revolution is about the closest you can come to citing an example of "unfettered capitalism", but even then, capitalism was regulated and there were rules that everyone followed. Child labor, pollution, unsafe worker conditions, and a lack of basic workers rights are legitimate complaints, but they aren't unfettered capitalism.
Btw what do you think unfettered socialism is?
You're all over the place. We're not talking about socialism, we're talking about "unfettered capitalism" and your definition seems to suggest that it's just about making money, a nebulous concept as all businesses are driven by profit. But where does there exist a system by which businesses do so in an environment of lawlessness, unencumbered by laws, regulations, fees, and taxes? Where is the "Wild West" of capitalism?
Your one liners are inscrutible and enigmatic and you're doing this on purpose. You're having way too much fun with this thread and not taking the question seriously. I detect subtle persiflage and resent it. Stop being so damn funny!
If unfettered capitalism means no government involvement, the questions then becomes how long would have unfettered capitalism lasted in America, and what economic system would have replaced it?
WTF is "unfettered capitalism"?
Missing in that example is where anyone is forced to work for lower wages, missing also is the fact that Walmart has competitors and is subject to the laws of supply and demand and the natural human tendency to promote their own best interest by applying their labors where it is best compensated. Maybe that's the problem, your concept of "unfettered capitalism" is grounded in the mistaken belief that a company can slash wages with no consequences.
Satan is sure using YOU!It's almost endearing how the Left vouchers so much faith in mythical beasts, global warming (AKA Manbearpig), a "living wage", the Republican war on women, and finally, a very curious creature of lore, "unfettered capitalism"
Yes, even my communist Pope, bless his heart, has lent credence to this elusive creature. I opine that he ought better to have expressed belief in space aliens, more proof available and all.
And whenever Republicans suggest curtailing burdensome regulations, such as the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, they are accused of "de regulating" commerce. It's almost as if we're to believe that capitalism must be weighed down with massive regulation or it's the Wild West. Those are the only choices according to the Left.
So my question is, where is this fabled beast? Where does there exist or has ever existed a pure capitalist system unencumbered by laws and by regulation?
WTF is "unfettered capitalism"?
You clearly saw this expression somewhere. Why don't you provide us a quote which contains the full context of where you saw it, and then we can explain it to you in words you can hopefully understand.
It's almost endearing how the Left vouchers so much faith in mythical beasts, global warming (AKA Manbearpig), a "living wage", the Republican war on women, and finally, a very curious creature of lore, "unfettered capitalism"
Yes, even my communist Pope, bless his heart, has lent credence to this elusive creature.
How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points? This is a case of exclusion.
It goes to show that even if "unfettered capitalism" existed, it would be moribund because people would not long tolerate polluted rivers, children working in factories instead of going to school, or unsanitary meat processing practices. The horror stories of the early 20th century demonstrate convincingly that the pendulum cannot swing too far in the direction commercial anarchy before being sharply checked.
