A question to the left, is border security now racism?

[Slade3200]

Agree

We need a comprehensive immigration program
Not just...WALL

"Comprehensive" is a leftwing code word meaning "amnesty."

It means amnesty, security, and improving the process. Oh the horror!!!

Amnesty is a non-starter. We already tried that. "improving the process" means streamlining the amnesty process. No thanks. The security was purely an illusion, a scam.

You asked what comprehensive immigration reform was and I explained it. Amnesty is a nonstarter for wingnuts like yourself but fortunately I don’t think that view is shared by to mainstream of our democracy

Wrong. I didn't ask any such thing. A stated categorically that "Comprehensive immigration reform" means amnesty. The majority of Americans are opposed to amnesty.

You are right, you made an incomplete statement and I corrected it

 

[Slade3200]

Agree

We need a comprehensive immigration program
Not just...WALL

"Comprehensive" is a leftwing code word meaning "amnesty."

It means amnesty, security, and improving the process. Oh the horror!!!

Why amnesty?
We aren’t a nation that rewards criminal activity. That’s simple for third graders..no?
Why improve the “process”? What process?
Why would we feel compelled to OWE Mexico an improved process?
We don’t NEED these people...they are not essential to our success as a nation.
Why not simply enforce the current laws The People laid on the books long ago...why not amend those laws which have been rendered useless to give them some teeth?

Children who were brought here by their parents are not guilty of criminal activity.

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby get the money while the robber goes to jail?

No, the baby doesn’t get the money. But the baby also doesn’t go to jail

 

[LoneLaugher]

Children who were brought here by their parents are not guilty of criminal activity.

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby get the money while the robber goes to jail?

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby go to jail! ?

D’oh!

Who wants to send the baby to jail?

Is the baby guilty of anything?

Silly, arrogant mfer.

Who said the baby was guilty? Does everyone get a reward for not being guilty, or just babies?

This is so hard for you. I’m sorry.

 

[Slade3200]

It means amnesty, security, and improving the process. Oh the horror!!!

Why amnesty?
We aren’t a nation that rewards criminal activity. That’s simple for third graders..no?
Why improve the “process”? What process?
Why would we feel compelled to OWE Mexico an improved process?
We don’t NEED these people...they are not essential to our success as a nation.
Why not simply enforce the current laws The People laid on the books long ago...why not amend those laws which have been rendered useless to give them some teeth?

Children who were brought here by their parents are not guilty of criminal activity.

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby get the money while the robber goes to jail?

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby go to jail! ?

D’oh!

Who wants to send the baby to jail?

Jail is the punishment... deportation is the punishment. See the break in the analogy?

 

[Unkotare]

"Comprehensive" is a leftwing code word meaning "amnesty."

It means amnesty, security, and improving the process. Oh the horror!!!

Why amnesty?
We aren’t a nation that rewards criminal activity. That’s simple for third graders..no?
Why improve the “process”? What process?
Why would we feel compelled to OWE Mexico an improved process?
We don’t NEED these people...they are not essential to our success as a nation.
Why not simply enforce the current laws The People laid on the books long ago...why not amend those laws which have been rendered useless to give them some teeth?

Children who were brought here by their parents are not guilty of criminal activity.

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby get the money while the robber goes to jail?

No, the baby doesn’t get the money. But the baby also doesn’t go to jail

Who suggested the baby go to jail?

 

[Unkotare]

Why amnesty?
We aren’t a nation that rewards criminal activity. That’s simple for third graders..no?
Why improve the “process”? What process?
Why would we feel compelled to OWE Mexico an improved process?
We don’t NEED these people...they are not essential to our success as a nation.
Why not simply enforce the current laws The People laid on the books long ago...why not amend those laws which have been rendered useless to give them some teeth?

Children who were brought here by their parents are not guilty of criminal activity.

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby get the money while the robber goes to jail?

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby go to jail! ?

D’oh!

Who wants to send the baby to jail?

Jail is the punishment... deportation is the punishment. See the break in the analogy?

Sending the baby home is jail?

 

[Slade3200]

It means amnesty, security, and improving the process. Oh the horror!!!

Why amnesty?
We aren’t a nation that rewards criminal activity. That’s simple for third graders..no?
Why improve the “process”? What process?
Why would we feel compelled to OWE Mexico an improved process?
We don’t NEED these people...they are not essential to our success as a nation.
Why not simply enforce the current laws The People laid on the books long ago...why not amend those laws which have been rendered useless to give them some teeth?

Children who were brought here by their parents are not guilty of criminal activity.

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby get the money while the robber goes to jail?

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby go to jail! ?

D’oh!

The baby goes to foster care. The baby does not get to keep the proceeds of the crime.

Exactly. Jail is the punishment and is equivalent to deportation... do deporting dreamers makes no sense. Foster care is equivalent to whatever reform we come up with to deal with this issue. DACA is the stop gap that Obama tried, but it’s time for congress to figure out how to deal with this problem

 

[Slade3200]

Children who were brought here by their parents are not guilty of criminal activity.

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby get the money while the robber goes to jail?

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby go to jail! ?

D’oh!

Who wants to send the baby to jail?

Jail is the punishment... deportation is the punishment. See the break in the analogy?

Sending the baby home is jail?

We aren’t talking about babies anymore. We are talking about kids and young adults who were raised here. So here is home for them

 

[Slade3200]

It means amnesty, security, and improving the process. Oh the horror!!!

Why amnesty?
We aren’t a nation that rewards criminal activity. That’s simple for third graders..no?
Why improve the “process”? What process?
Why would we feel compelled to OWE Mexico an improved process?
We don’t NEED these people...they are not essential to our success as a nation.
Why not simply enforce the current laws The People laid on the books long ago...why not amend those laws which have been rendered useless to give them some teeth?

Children who were brought here by their parents are not guilty of criminal activity.

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby get the money while the robber goes to jail?

No, the baby doesn’t get the money. But the baby also doesn’t go to jail

Who suggested the baby go to jail?

Deportation is equivalent to jail as it is the punishment that is imposed on the parents. So by suggesting the kids be deported you are imposing the same punishment on them as you are their parents. This makes sense for people caught crossing illegally. The families stay together. But those people don’t qualify under the DACA standards. DACA protects kids who grew up here

 

[Unkotare]

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby get the money while the robber goes to jail?

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby go to jail! ?

D’oh!

Who wants to send the baby to jail?

Jail is the punishment... deportation is the punishment. See the break in the analogy?

Sending the baby home is jail?

We aren’t talking about babies anymore. We are talking about kids and young adults who were raised here. So here is home for them

Whitey Bulger lived in CA for 30 years. It was home for him. Why did they send him back to Boston?

 

[Unkotare]

Why amnesty?
We aren’t a nation that rewards criminal activity. That’s simple for third graders..no?
Why improve the “process”? What process?
Why would we feel compelled to OWE Mexico an improved process?
We don’t NEED these people...they are not essential to our success as a nation.
Why not simply enforce the current laws The People laid on the books long ago...why not amend those laws which have been rendered useless to give them some teeth?

Children who were brought here by their parents are not guilty of criminal activity.

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby get the money while the robber goes to jail?

No, the baby doesn’t get the money. But the baby also doesn’t go to jail

Who suggested the baby go to jail?

Deportation is equivalent to jail ...

No, jail is jail. Going back to where you were originally is not jail.

 

[Slade3200]

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby go to jail! ?

D’oh!

Who wants to send the baby to jail?

Jail is the punishment... deportation is the punishment. See the break in the analogy?

Sending the baby home is jail?

We aren’t talking about babies anymore. We are talking about kids and young adults who were raised here. So here is home for them

Whitey Bulger lived in CA for 30 years. It was home for him. Why did they send him back to Boston?

I don’t know. Why?

 

[LoneLaugher]

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby go to jail! ?

D’oh!

Who wants to send the baby to jail?

Jail is the punishment... deportation is the punishment. See the break in the analogy?

Sending the baby home is jail?

We aren’t talking about babies anymore. We are talking about kids and young adults who were raised here. So here is home for them

Whitey Bulger lived in CA for 30 years. It was home for him. Why did they send him back to Boston?

Wooooo Hooooo! More killer logic!

 

[Slade3200]

Children who were brought here by their parents are not guilty of criminal activity.

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby get the money while the robber goes to jail?

No, the baby doesn’t get the money. But the baby also doesn’t go to jail

Who suggested the baby go to jail?

Deportation is equivalent to jail ...

No, jail is jail. Going back to where you were originally is not jail.

That’s the punishment for being here without papers. I thought we were discussing an analogy. Did you forget how that works? You brought it up

 

[beagle9]

I’ll explain it to you and if you have an open mind you might understand.

This is 100% about the rhetoric around the “wall” and not about actual border security. Very few Dems want open borders. But most Dems stand for helping the poor and being an inviting safe haven for immigrants and people in need. Trumps rhetoric around the wall and the rhetoric from many around him is very diragatory and it does not represent the brand of America which opponents hold dear.

If Trump really wants to improve border security he should couple his messaging with one that is constructive and inviting towards immigrants in need. Not just for the educated and wealthy (those with merit). I don’t think he is interested in doing this as he score political points with his base by inflaming the war.

When he says he only wants the “best” it leaves a void for those who are poor and oppressed and in search of a better life. This is the story that many of our ancestors share so this elitist attitude is off putting to many.

Agree or not... do you at least understand the point that I am trying to make?

Agree

We need a comprehensive immigration program
Not just...WALL

"Comprehensive" is a leftwing code word meaning "amnesty."

It means amnesty, security, and improving the process. Oh the horror!!!

Why amnesty?
We aren’t a nation that rewards criminal activity. That’s simple for third graders..no?
Why improve the “process”? What process?
Why would we feel compelled to OWE Mexico an improved process?
We don’t NEED these people...they are not essential to our success as a nation.
Why not simply enforce the current laws The People laid on the books long ago...why not amend those laws which have been rendered useless to give them some teeth?

Children who were brought here by their parents are not guilty of criminal activity.

Why use children to hide criminal activity ??

 

[Slade3200]

Agree

We need a comprehensive immigration program
Not just...WALL

"Comprehensive" is a leftwing code word meaning "amnesty."

It means amnesty, security, and improving the process. Oh the horror!!!

Why amnesty?
We aren’t a nation that rewards criminal activity. That’s simple for third graders..no?
Why improve the “process”? What process?
Why would we feel compelled to OWE Mexico an improved process?
We don’t NEED these people...they are not essential to our success as a nation.
Why not simply enforce the current laws The People laid on the books long ago...why not amend those laws which have been rendered useless to give them some teeth?

Children who were brought here by their parents are not guilty of criminal activity.

Why use children to hide criminal activity ??

I wouldn’t

 

[beagle9]

"Comprehensive" is a leftwing code word meaning "amnesty."

It means amnesty, security, and improving the process. Oh the horror!!!

Why amnesty?
We aren’t a nation that rewards criminal activity. That’s simple for third graders..no?
Why improve the “process”? What process?
Why would we feel compelled to OWE Mexico an improved process?
We don’t NEED these people...they are not essential to our success as a nation.
Why not simply enforce the current laws The People laid on the books long ago...why not amend those laws which have been rendered useless to give them some teeth?

Children who were brought here by their parents are not guilty of criminal activity.

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby get the money while the robber goes to jail?

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby go to jail! ?

D’oh!

Allowing the illegal border crosser to break our laws, and with baby in tow in order to be used as a human shield in order to stop deportation is as deplorable as it gets. Sure the child is innocent, and he or she should be taken into custody/care while the illegal is dealt with properly. The outcome if deportation is the sentence, then child and parents is reunited and deported together. If the parent is unfit to be a caretaker of the child, then the child should be released to relatives back in Mexico. If all avenues are exhausted, then of course the child is put up for adoption here, but the parent is kicked out.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I’ll explain it to you and if you have an open mind you might understand.

This is 100% about the rhetoric around the “wall” and not about actual border security. Very few Dems want open borders. But most Dems stand for helping the poor and being an inviting safe haven for immigrants and people in need. Trumps rhetoric around the wall and the rhetoric from many around him is very diragatory and it does not represent the brand of America which opponents hold dear.

If Trump really wants to improve border security he should couple his messaging with one that is constructive and inviting towards immigrants in need. Not just for the educated and wealthy (those with merit). I don’t think he is interested in doing this as he score political points with his base by inflaming the war.

When he says he only wants the “best” it leaves a void for those who are poor and oppressed and in search of a better life. This is the story that many of our ancestors share so this elitist attitude is off putting to many.

Agree or not... do you at least understand the point that I am trying to make?

Agree

We need a comprehensive immigration program
Not just...WALL

"Comprehensive" is a leftwing code word meaning "amnesty."

It means amnesty, security, and improving the process. Oh the horror!!!

Amnesty is a non-starter. We already tried that. "improving the process" means streamlining the amnesty process. No thanks. The security was purely an illusion, a scam.

You asked what comprehensive immigration reform was and I explained it. Amnesty is a nonstarter for wingnuts like yourself but fortunately I don’t think that view is shared by to mainstream of our democracy

You’re sadly mistaken bud...if REAL Americans truly supported amnesty Trump never could have been elected. We’ve seen this all before thanks to Reagan and we know for fact it leads to nothing but bad things for legit Americans....Sorry man.

 

[Kondor3]

...Looks like it is you who should be locked out

Why? Because I disagree with your liberal views concerning Illegal Immigration and Border Security and National Sovereignty?

Shake the cobwebs out of your headgear, Liberal... that's why November 8, 2016 unfolded the way it did.

Then again, you characters never seem to (a) admit when your policies have gone too far and (b) learn from your election losses.

The only reason why you picked up seats in Congress this year is because of The Creature, not your Immigration policies.

 

[Unkotare]

If a bank robber leaves his baby in the backseat of the getaway car, does the baby get the money while the robber goes to jail?

No, the baby doesn’t get the money. But the baby also doesn’t go to jail

Who suggested the baby go to jail?

Deportation is equivalent to jail ...

No, jail is jail. Going back to where you were originally is not jail.

That’s the punishment for being here without papers. I thought we were discussing an analogy. Did you forget how that works? You brought it up

If you rob a bank, you will not be told to go home. You will be sent to jail.