A Serious Problem For The GOP

[CrusaderFrank]

Why is it a problem for the the GOP that Democrats and Obama passed an unconstitutional law?

 

[mudwhistle]

Republicans have the house and the senate majority and they can simply clarify the law's intent with legislation, then the millions with coverage now from the exchange wont be forced in to bankruptcy by them.

yeah, its a real pickle of a situation...if they let it be...

Now I have the urge to eat some pickles......DAMN YOU!!

 

[Edgetho]

Republicans have the house and the senate majority and they can simply clarify the law's intent with legislation, then the millions with coverage now from the exchange wont be forced in to bankruptcy by them.

yeah, its a real pickle of a situation...if they let it be...

Yup, because if the Republican inspired lawsuit deprives millions of affordable healthcare and the Republican Congress does nothing to reinstate it then that becomes multiple self inflicted wounds going into 2016.

Sans the politics, this is all very true. Very true.

Unfortunately we have some people in our party that are like your crazy Aunt Ellen.

You can't take her anywhere but you still love her.

 

[Derideo_Te]

You are correct that the problem lies with We the People and the dire financial straits they are in today. The answer is not merely jobs, it it well paying jobs with benefits. Americans are hard workers and will put in the necessary hours but they are being beaten down by the insatiable greed of the Wall Street Casino bosses. If a corporation dares to give raises instead of devoting every single penny of profit to shareholders it is "punished".

That is self defeating in the long run because we have a consumer based economy. Without well paying jobs there are no consumers with disposable income and everyone suffers. Look at cities like Seattle where they raised the minimum wage to $15/hr. They are booming because people there now have disposable incomes. And that is repeated in every city and state that raised their minimum wages.

The dire predictions of economic collapse by paying people a living wage for the work they do have simply not transpired. Instead the rising tide of wages has raised the boats of all businesses.

So the answer to your question is to just pay people for working hard.

Can you EVER post without vomiting marxist claptrap all over the board?

Truth hurts?

2014 Job Creation Faster in States that Raised the Minimum Wage CEPR Blog

2014 Job Creation Faster in States that Raised the Minimum Wage

Written by Ben Wolcott
Monday, 30 June 2014 14:21

The experience of the 13 states that increased their minimum wage on January 1st of this year might provide some guidance for what to expect here in Washington, DC when the city-wide minimum wage increases to $9.50 on July 1.

At the beginning of 2014, 13 states increased their minimum wage. Of these 13 states, four passed legislation raising their minimum wage (Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, and Rhode Island). In the other nine, their minimum wage automatically increased in line with inflation at the beginning of the year (Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Missouri, Montana, Ohio, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington state).

As CEPR noted in March and April posts, economists at Goldman Sachs conducted a simple evaluation of the impact of these state minimum-wage increases. GS compared the employment change between December and January in the 13 states where the minimum wage increased with the changes in the remainder of the states. The GS analysis found that the states where the minimum wage went up had faster employment growth than the states where the minimum wage remained at its 2013 level.

When we updated the GS analysis using additional employment data from the BLS, we saw the same pattern: employment growth was higher in states where the minimum wage went up. ​

Ben Wolcott has a blog called "Common Dreams...Breaking news for the progressive community". Ben Wolcott Common Dreams Breaking News Views for the Progressive Community

Big surprise. CEPR is a progressive and left-leaning think-tank. One of it's founders Ha-Joon Chang studied under Robert Rowthorn, a leading British Marxist economist.

In his book Kicking Away the Ladder (which won the European Association for Evolutionary Political Economy's 2003 Gunnar Myrdal Prize), Chang argued that all major developed countries used interventionist economic policies in order to get rich and then tried to forbid other countries from doing similarly. The World Trade Organization, World Bank and International Monetary Fund come in for strong criticism from Chang for "ladder-kicking" of this type which, he argues, are the fundamental obstacle to poverty alleviation in the developing world. This and other work led to his being awarded the 2005 Wassily Leontief Prize for Advancing the Frontiers of Economic Thought from the Global Development and Environment Institute (previous prize-winners include Amartya Sen, John Kenneth Galbraith, Herman Daly, Alice Amsden and Robert Wade).[15][16]

The book's methodology was criticized by Douglas Irwin, Professor of Economics at Dartmouth College and author of a 2011 study of the Smoot-Hawley tariff,[17] writing on the website of the Economic History Association:

"Chang only looks at countries that developed during the nineteenth century and a small number of the policies they pursued. He did not examine countries that failed to develop in the nineteenth century and see if they pursued the same heterodox policies only more intensively. This is a poor scientific and historical method. Suppose a doctor studied people with long lives and found that some smoked tobacco, but did not study people with shorter lives to see if smoking was even more prevalent. Any conclusions drawn only from the observed relationship would be quite misleading."[18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha-Joon_Chang


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Non sequitur!

Irregardless....I don't think your seeing what I'm seeing in your link. Here's the graph they used to base their faulty conclusions from. The top 2 states listed didn't raise their MW. (California and Nevada)

CA and NV already have high minimum wages and cities like LA and San Francisco and higher than the state level.

Eight states with the highest minimum wages

 

[mudwhistle]

Republicans have the house and the senate majority and they can simply clarify the law's intent with legislation, then the millions with coverage now from the exchange wont be forced in to bankruptcy by them.

yeah, its a real pickle of a situation...if they let it be...

Yup, because if the Republicon inspired lawsuit deprives millions of affordable healthcare and the Republican Congress does nothing to reinstate it then that becomes multiple self inflicted wounds going into 2016.

Yup, an nice shit-sandwich thanks to the Democrat Party.
Let's not forget the stock-market time-bomb set to go off
The interest rate time-bomb
The National Debt time-bomb

Yup. Whoever takes over is going to have to do the books right, and I don't expect any Democrat to do that.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Republicans have the house and the senate majority and they can simply clarify the law's intent with legislation, then the millions with coverage now from the exchange wont be forced in to bankruptcy by them.

yeah, its a real pickle of a situation...if they let it be...

Yup, because if the Republicon inspired lawsuit deprives millions of affordable healthcare and the Republican Congress does nothing to reinstate it then that becomes multiple self inflicted wounds going into 2016.

Yup, an nice shit-sandwich thanks to the Democrat Party.
Let's not forget the stock-market time-bomb set to go off
The interest rate time-bomb
The National Debt time-bomb

Yup. Whoever takes over is going to have to do the books right, and I don't expect any Democrat to do that.

Blaming the Dems for the Republican Deregulations that caused all of those time bombs?

You must be addicted to Faux News.

 

[mudwhistle]

Can you EVER post without vomiting marxist claptrap all over the board?

Truth hurts?

2014 Job Creation Faster in States that Raised the Minimum Wage CEPR Blog

2014 Job Creation Faster in States that Raised the Minimum Wage

Written by Ben Wolcott
Monday, 30 June 2014 14:21

The experience of the 13 states that increased their minimum wage on January 1st of this year might provide some guidance for what to expect here in Washington, DC when the city-wide minimum wage increases to $9.50 on July 1.

At the beginning of 2014, 13 states increased their minimum wage. Of these 13 states, four passed legislation raising their minimum wage (Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, and Rhode Island). In the other nine, their minimum wage automatically increased in line with inflation at the beginning of the year (Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Missouri, Montana, Ohio, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington state).

As CEPR noted in March and April posts, economists at Goldman Sachs conducted a simple evaluation of the impact of these state minimum-wage increases. GS compared the employment change between December and January in the 13 states where the minimum wage increased with the changes in the remainder of the states. The GS analysis found that the states where the minimum wage went up had faster employment growth than the states where the minimum wage remained at its 2013 level.

When we updated the GS analysis using additional employment data from the BLS, we saw the same pattern: employment growth was higher in states where the minimum wage went up. ​

Ben Wolcott has a blog called "Common Dreams...Breaking news for the progressive community". Ben Wolcott Common Dreams Breaking News Views for the Progressive Community

Big surprise. CEPR is a progressive and left-leaning think-tank. One of it's founders Ha-Joon Chang studied under Robert Rowthorn, a leading British Marxist economist.

In his book Kicking Away the Ladder (which won the European Association for Evolutionary Political Economy's 2003 Gunnar Myrdal Prize), Chang argued that all major developed countries used interventionist economic policies in order to get rich and then tried to forbid other countries from doing similarly. The World Trade Organization, World Bank and International Monetary Fund come in for strong criticism from Chang for "ladder-kicking" of this type which, he argues, are the fundamental obstacle to poverty alleviation in the developing world. This and other work led to his being awarded the 2005 Wassily Leontief Prize for Advancing the Frontiers of Economic Thought from the Global Development and Environment Institute (previous prize-winners include Amartya Sen, John Kenneth Galbraith, Herman Daly, Alice Amsden and Robert Wade).[15][16]

The book's methodology was criticized by Douglas Irwin, Professor of Economics at Dartmouth College and author of a 2011 study of the Smoot-Hawley tariff,[17] writing on the website of the Economic History Association:

"Chang only looks at countries that developed during the nineteenth century and a small number of the policies they pursued. He did not examine countries that failed to develop in the nineteenth century and see if they pursued the same heterodox policies only more intensively. This is a poor scientific and historical method. Suppose a doctor studied people with long lives and found that some smoked tobacco, but did not study people with shorter lives to see if smoking was even more prevalent. Any conclusions drawn only from the observed relationship would be quite misleading."[18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha-Joon_Chang


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Non sequitur!

Irregardless....I don't think your seeing what I'm seeing in your link. Here's the graph they used to base their faulty conclusions from. The top 2 states listed didn't raise their MW. (California and Nevada)

CA and NV already have high minimum wages and cities like LA and San Francisco and higher than the state level.

Eight states with the highest minimum wages

You forgot New Jersey Dickhead......way down at the bottom.

This graph tells me only one thing.....all economies are local.

 

[blackhawk]

As some of you know, the SCOTUS will hear arguments on the wording of the ACA and how it seems to disallow credits on Federally run ACA exchanges.

If you're not up to speed on it, you should be.

So anyway, the Court will hear arguments in (I think) May and make a ruling sometime this Summer. If the ruling goes the way some of our more rabid conservatives want it to and the Court strikes down subsidies to Policyholders in non-State-Run exchanges........

Yikes.

Millions of people will see their rates sky rocket. I mean, go nuts. Really nuts.

So, is this a case of "Be careful what you wish for" ass to Republicans.

I think so. There was an earlier thread about the 2016 election. If the Court strikes this down and millions of people see their Insurance Rates double (literally) -- The GOP will take the blame.

I think Republicans are in deep shit if the Court strikes it down.

No way anybody can act fast enough to make it work again.

You might be overlooking a few things for example the GOP did not write the law none of them voted for it nor were they the ones who told these policy holders they could get subsidies through the federal exchanges when the law as written said they couldn't.

When did the truth ever stop Democrats from blaming Republicans?

Never but when you can simply point out no Republicans voted for it you will have a hard time blaming them for it.

 

[mudwhistle]

As some of you know, the SCOTUS will hear arguments on the wording of the ACA and how it seems to disallow credits on Federally run ACA exchanges.

If you're not up to speed on it, you should be.

So anyway, the Court will hear arguments in (I think) May and make a ruling sometime this Summer. If the ruling goes the way some of our more rabid conservatives want it to and the Court strikes down subsidies to Policyholders in non-State-Run exchanges........

Yikes.

Millions of people will see their rates sky rocket. I mean, go nuts. Really nuts.

So, is this a case of "Be careful what you wish for" ass to Republicans.

I think so. There was an earlier thread about the 2016 election. If the Court strikes this down and millions of people see their Insurance Rates double (literally) -- The GOP will take the blame.

I think Republicans are in deep shit if the Court strikes it down.

No way anybody can act fast enough to make it work again.

You might be overlooking a few things for example the GOP did not write the law none of them voted for it nor were they the ones who told these policy holders they could get subsidies through the federal exchanges when the law as written said they couldn't.

When did the truth ever stop Democrats from blaming Republicans?

Never but when you can simply point out no Republicans voted for it you will have a hard time blaming them for it.

It's never that simple....especially when you're dealing with a political party that feels that being honest is a handicap. (Democrats)

 

[mudwhistle]

Republicans have the house and the senate majority and they can simply clarify the law's intent with legislation, then the millions with coverage now from the exchange wont be forced in to bankruptcy by them.

yeah, its a real pickle of a situation...if they let it be...

Yup, because if the Republicon inspired lawsuit deprives millions of affordable healthcare and the Republican Congress does nothing to reinstate it then that becomes multiple self inflicted wounds going into 2016.

Yup, an nice shit-sandwich thanks to the Democrat Party.
Let's not forget the stock-market time-bomb set to go off
The interest rate time-bomb
The National Debt time-bomb

Yup. Whoever takes over is going to have to do the books right, and I don't expect any Democrat to do that.

Blaming the Dems for the Republican Deregulations that caused all of those time bombs?

You must be addicted to Faux News.

Fox News isn't even talking about this.

Obama has been screwing so much shit up we won't know what hit us, if a Republican takes the White House. Hillary will just continue to lie to us about it and the media will cover it up. If you didn't hear it in the news it didn't happen.

 

[Edgetho]

Blaming the Dems for the Republican Deregulations that caused all of those time bombs?

You must be addicted to Faux News.

What 'Republican Deregulations'?

You mean the ones that Bill the rapist Clinton signed into law?

Spare me.

And the Liar in Chief's plan to inflate our way out of debt don't seem to be working too good.

You better hope we get a decent Republican in Office or you're going to find out what REAL poverty is first hand.

All of us will

 

[Statistikhengst]

This is how dims work. They set things up so that if the Republicans fight them on it, either Republicans lose or The People lose.

Just like during the shutdown.

My concern is more with The People. How do we stop them from going belly up? How do we prevent them from going broke or, worse yet, dropping their coverage and becoming uninsured?

Of curse, dimocraps will look at political side. As always.

They just don't care about The People. They really don't.

And Republicans? A lot of dumbasses in our party these days.

Ahem, YOU were looking at the political side before Deri chimed in. I quote from YOUR OP:

So, is this a case of "Be careful what you wish for" ass to Republicans.

I think so. There was an earlier thread about the 2016 election. If the Court strikes this down and millions of people see their Insurance Rates double (literally) -- The GOP will take the blame.

I think Republicans are in deep shit if the Court strikes it down.

 

[Statistikhengst]

This isn't the only landmine that prick Obama has set for us.

Trust me.

This landmine has the GOP's name all over it. Obama did not set it. Put your glasses on...

 

[Statistikhengst]

Obama blackmailed Roberts into voting for it once, maybe he'll do it again

Link? Video? Audio? Affadavits? Eyewitness testimony? Proof?

You very often make such open accusations, but when pressed for actual evidence:

 

[Statistikhengst]

Republicans have the house and the senate majority and they can simply clarify the law's intent with legislation, then the millions with coverage now from the exchange wont be forced in to bankruptcy by them.

yeah, its a real pickle of a situation...if they let it be...

Yup, because if the Republican inspired lawsuit deprives millions of affordable healthcare and the Republican Congress does nothing to reinstate it then that becomes multiple self inflicted wounds going into 2016.

Sans the politics, this is all very true. Very true.

Unfortunately we have some people in our party that are like your crazy Aunt Ellen.

You can't take her anywhere but you still love her.

I would bet that every major political party has had it's share of Aunt Ellens, sometimes Aunt Lizzies....

 

[Derideo_Te]

Truth hurts?

2014 Job Creation Faster in States that Raised the Minimum Wage CEPR Blog

2014 Job Creation Faster in States that Raised the Minimum Wage

Written by Ben Wolcott
Monday, 30 June 2014 14:21

The experience of the 13 states that increased their minimum wage on January 1st of this year might provide some guidance for what to expect here in Washington, DC when the city-wide minimum wage increases to $9.50 on July 1.

At the beginning of 2014, 13 states increased their minimum wage. Of these 13 states, four passed legislation raising their minimum wage (Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, and Rhode Island). In the other nine, their minimum wage automatically increased in line with inflation at the beginning of the year (Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Missouri, Montana, Ohio, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington state).

As CEPR noted in March and April posts, economists at Goldman Sachs conducted a simple evaluation of the impact of these state minimum-wage increases. GS compared the employment change between December and January in the 13 states where the minimum wage increased with the changes in the remainder of the states. The GS analysis found that the states where the minimum wage went up had faster employment growth than the states where the minimum wage remained at its 2013 level.

When we updated the GS analysis using additional employment data from the BLS, we saw the same pattern: employment growth was higher in states where the minimum wage went up. ​

Ben Wolcott has a blog called "Common Dreams...Breaking news for the progressive community". Ben Wolcott Common Dreams Breaking News Views for the Progressive Community

Big surprise. CEPR is a progressive and left-leaning think-tank. One of it's founders Ha-Joon Chang studied under Robert Rowthorn, a leading British Marxist economist.

In his book Kicking Away the Ladder (which won the European Association for Evolutionary Political Economy's 2003 Gunnar Myrdal Prize), Chang argued that all major developed countries used interventionist economic policies in order to get rich and then tried to forbid other countries from doing similarly. The World Trade Organization, World Bank and International Monetary Fund come in for strong criticism from Chang for "ladder-kicking" of this type which, he argues, are the fundamental obstacle to poverty alleviation in the developing world. This and other work led to his being awarded the 2005 Wassily Leontief Prize for Advancing the Frontiers of Economic Thought from the Global Development and Environment Institute (previous prize-winners include Amartya Sen, John Kenneth Galbraith, Herman Daly, Alice Amsden and Robert Wade).[15][16]

The book's methodology was criticized by Douglas Irwin, Professor of Economics at Dartmouth College and author of a 2011 study of the Smoot-Hawley tariff,[17] writing on the website of the Economic History Association:

"Chang only looks at countries that developed during the nineteenth century and a small number of the policies they pursued. He did not examine countries that failed to develop in the nineteenth century and see if they pursued the same heterodox policies only more intensively. This is a poor scientific and historical method. Suppose a doctor studied people with long lives and found that some smoked tobacco, but did not study people with shorter lives to see if smoking was even more prevalent. Any conclusions drawn only from the observed relationship would be quite misleading."[18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha-Joon_Chang


​

Non sequitur!

Irregardless....I don't think your seeing what I'm seeing in your link. Here's the graph they used to base their faulty conclusions from. The top 2 states listed didn't raise their MW. (California and Nevada)

CA and NV already have high minimum wages and cities like LA and San Francisco and higher than the state level.

Eight states with the highest minimum wages

You forgot New Jersey Dickhead......way down at the bottom.

This graph tells me only one thing.....all economies are local.

Your responses tell me that you have a serve case of partisan blindness.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Republicans have the house and the senate majority and they can simply clarify the law's intent with legislation, then the millions with coverage now from the exchange wont be forced in to bankruptcy by them.

yeah, its a real pickle of a situation...if they let it be...

Yup, because if the Republicon inspired lawsuit deprives millions of affordable healthcare and the Republican Congress does nothing to reinstate it then that becomes multiple self inflicted wounds going into 2016.

Yup, an nice shit-sandwich thanks to the Democrat Party.
Let's not forget the stock-market time-bomb set to go off
The interest rate time-bomb
The National Debt time-bomb

Yup. Whoever takes over is going to have to do the books right, and I don't expect any Democrat to do that.

Blaming the Dems for the Republican Deregulations that caused all of those time bombs?

You must be addicted to Faux News.

Fox News isn't even talking about this.

Obama has been screwing so much shit up we won't know what hit us, if a Republican takes the White House. Hillary will just continue to lie to us about it and the media will cover it up. If you didn't hear it in the news it didn't happen.

And you know that Faux News isn't talking about it because you are addicted to them, right?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Blaming the Dems for the Republican Deregulations that caused all of those time bombs?

You must be addicted to Faux News.

What 'Republican Deregulations'?

You mean the ones that Bill the rapist Clinton signed into law?

Spare me.

And the Liar in Chief's plan to inflate our way out of debt don't seem to be working too good.

You better hope we get a decent Republican in Office or you're going to find out what REAL poverty is first hand.

All of us will

You were doing so well at the start of this thread but you just couldn't hold it together.

Oh well, better luck next time.

 

[The Rabbi]

As some of you know, the SCOTUS will hear arguments on the wording of the ACA and how it seems to disallow credits on Federally run ACA exchanges.

If you're not up to speed on it, you should be.

So anyway, the Court will hear arguments in (I think) May and make a ruling sometime this Summer. If the ruling goes the way some of our more rabid conservatives want it to and the Court strikes down subsidies to Policyholders in non-State-Run exchanges........

Yikes.

Millions of people will see their rates sky rocket. I mean, go nuts. Really nuts.

So, is this a case of "Be careful what you wish for" ass to Republicans.

I think so. There was an earlier thread about the 2016 election. If the Court strikes this down and millions of people see their Insurance Rates double (literally) -- The GOP will take the blame.

I think Republicans are in deep shit if the Court strikes it down.

No way anybody can act fast enough to make it work again.

Nope. The GOP is in the driver's seat.
ACA will essentially be dead if the Court does that. The GOP can restore subsidies via an amendment to the law. And on the way they can rein in the worst excesses of Obamacare--mandates and taxes. They send the bill to Obama and what will he do? Veto it? Congress will over-ride because the reps will be under tremendous pressure to "do something."

 

[Siete]

This is how dims work. They set things up so that if the Republicans fight them on it, either Republicans lose or The People lose.

Just like during the shutdown.

My concern is more with The People. How do we stop them from going belly up? How do we prevent them from going broke or, worse yet, dropping their coverage and becoming uninsured?

Of curse, dimocraps will look at political side. As always.

They just don't care about The People. They really don't.

And Republicans? A lot of dumbasses in our party these days.

its called politics ... politicians beating other politicians at their own game.