A Step Closer to Death Panels

[bigrebnc1775]

Death panels? People, if you're viewing as a death panel, a group of people who decide what gets what in terms of medicine and/or health care, we've always had them. This article, doesn't even have enough information to determine if unapproving this drug is a good idea or not. You guys take positions w/o even knowing the score.

They take the position of completely unfounded fear that the government wants to kill everyone.

I wouldn't write that optiuon off
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[bigrebnc1775]

LOL, Right over your head.

I want to know asshole what value do you place on human life?

It's priceless. You in favor for healthcare for everyone regardless of the cost?

It's priceless the way to take the side of hitler. So how many SS do you have?

 

[loosecannon]

Real men,like my Dad the former Marine Captain, do not "look for anything that will keep them alive".
He pulled allof the tubes out of his mouth last May at age 88. He had a living will that stated NO resusitation and the medical thief con artists hooked him up anyway.
Real men do not want life support or greedy hospitals and doctors getting rich off of the taxpayers when they are very old.
That is the damn problem. People want to keep Gramps and Granny alive at the government tit until 109 if they could.
And the medical industry growing at 18% again this year when GNP is at 2% growth are willing to oblige.
WAKE THE FUCK UP DUMBASS AMERICANS.

I can't rep you but your post bears repeating.

 

[loosecannon]

How old are you? Are you in your 20's? early 30's? When you hit 60 you will be looking for anythiung that will help keep you alive. Young people think they will live forever and the old should die until it get close to their time.

Real men,like my Dad the former Marine Captain, do not "look for anything that will keep them alive".
He pulled allof the tubes out of his mouth last May at age 88. He had a living will that stated NO resusitation and the medical thief con artists hooked him up anyway.
Real men do not want life support or greedy hospitals and doctors getting rich off of the taxpayers when they are very old.
That is the damn problem. People want to keep Gramps and Granny alive at the government tit until 109 if they could.
And the medical industry growing at 18% again this year when GNP is at 2% growth are willing to oblige.
WAKE THE FUCK UP DUMBASS AMERICANS.

Your decision. Not yours to make for anyone else.

Death panels are our friend. It serves none of us to try to keep patients alive as long as is artificially possible no matter what the costs.

Oh, well it does serve Big pharma and Big medicine who get to cash in on tens of thousands of dollars of end of life care from captive patients....

Sickest, most disgusting thing I have ever heard of.

And the fact that socialist health insurance is paying for it with money from the young and healthy disgusts me 3 times more again.

You really are scum, Revere. Utter, scum. You would fuck corpses if you were paid well for it.

And you sure as hell have not one fiscal responsibility bone in your grotesque body.

 

[uscitizen]

A DR told me that on average medicare spends as much in the last 6 months of life on patients as they did up till that last 6 months.
btw the DR is a tea partier.

 

[loosecannon]

This sounds a lot like saying old people have a Duty To Die so as not to be a drain on society.

A DNR order is a very good idea, but it should be up to the individual to decide.

How many elderly men ask their kids not to extend their life in a humiliating manner just to extract a few more days of torture that offer next to zero quality of life?

I am guessing it is a pretty strong majority of men. Hell most men avoid doctors like the plague.

 

[loosecannon]

A DR told me that on average medicare spends as much in the last 6 months of life on patients as they did up till that last 6 months.
btw the DR is a tea partier.

That's the primary reason why health care costs are growing by more than 10%/year. End of life care can cost more than an entire life's care for a healthy person.

The shitstain GOPers posting in this thread would rather throw that money away to keep dying folks alive another week than spend it to provide health and wellness to a poor person for their entire life.

I just want affordable healthcare for everybody. No frills, no $80K pills no bleeding patients financially dry on their deathbeds.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Real men,like my Dad the former Marine Captain, do not "look for anything that will keep them alive".
He pulled allof the tubes out of his mouth last May at age 88. He had a living will that stated NO resusitation and the medical thief con artists hooked him up anyway.
Real men do not want life support or greedy hospitals and doctors getting rich off of the taxpayers when they are very old.
That is the damn problem. People want to keep Gramps and Granny alive at the government tit until 109 if they could.
And the medical industry growing at 18% again this year when GNP is at 2% growth are willing to oblige.
WAKE THE FUCK UP DUMBASS AMERICANS.

I can't rep you but your post bears repeating.

My grandmother was born in 1898 she died at the age of 88 she would work out in the yard doing yard work, she had no problem cuting trees down with a handsaw.

 

[loosecannon]

Real men,like my Dad the former Marine Captain, do not "look for anything that will keep them alive".
He pulled allof the tubes out of his mouth last May at age 88. He had a living will that stated NO resusitation and the medical thief con artists hooked him up anyway.
Real men do not want life support or greedy hospitals and doctors getting rich off of the taxpayers when they are very old.
That is the damn problem. People want to keep Gramps and Granny alive at the government tit until 109 if they could.
And the medical industry growing at 18% again this year when GNP is at 2% growth are willing to oblige.
WAKE THE FUCK UP DUMBASS AMERICANS.

I can't rep you but your post bears repeating.

My grandmother was born in 1898 she died at the age of 88 she would work out in the yard doing yard work, she had no problem cuting trees down with a handsaw.

She was born the same year as my grand dad.

But here's a little story for you: I watched an elderly friend climb a windmill in a 70 mph windstorm at 85 years of age to chain up the rotor so it wouldn't destroy the pump below. A week later his wife called me at night so I could carry him to the car to get him to the hospital.

He never walked again. And within 3 months in a wheelchair he started talking about suicide. He couldn't live with his 75 yo wife having to lift him into and out of bed and onto and off of the toilet, and he wouldn't let a stranger live in his house to perform the same humiliating tasks.

He was a WWII pilot, a war hero. But after a year and no recovery he was ready to die.

He asked his doctors to let him die and they couldn't so he asked hospice and they agreed. He died with dignity, in his home surrounded by his family.

Who in their right mind would want to die in a hospital with their life extended as long as was artificially possible just to serve up a fast spate of profits for the medical industry?

 

[uscitizen]

Real men,like my Dad the former Marine Captain, do not "look for anything that will keep them alive".
He pulled allof the tubes out of his mouth last May at age 88. He had a living will that stated NO resusitation and the medical thief con artists hooked him up anyway.
Real men do not want life support or greedy hospitals and doctors getting rich off of the taxpayers when they are very old.
That is the damn problem. People want to keep Gramps and Granny alive at the government tit until 109 if they could.
And the medical industry growing at 18% again this year when GNP is at 2% growth are willing to oblige.
WAKE THE FUCK UP DUMBASS AMERICANS.

I can't rep you but your post bears repeating.

My grandmother was born in 1898 she died at the age of 88 she would work out in the yard doing yard work, she had no problem cuting trees down with a handsaw.

Well congrats to your grandma.
However what has that to do with the topic of this thread?

 

[xotoxi]

Real men,like my Dad the former Marine Captain, do not "look for anything that will keep them alive".
He pulled allof the tubes out of his mouth last May at age 88. He had a living will that stated NO resusitation and the medical thief con artists hooked him up anyway.
Real men do not want life support or greedy hospitals and doctors getting rich off of the taxpayers when they are very old.
That is the damn problem. People want to keep Gramps and Granny alive at the government tit until 109 if they could.
And the medical industry growing at 18% again this year when GNP is at 2% growth are willing to oblige.
WAKE THE FUCK UP DUMBASS AMERICANS.

Too many people in America are afraid of dying. There is a "keep him alive at all costs" attitude, even when there is no hope and no quality of life.

And with the overriding philosophy of never giving up and allowing death to occur ends up frigthening people into not being brave enough to make that decision...or families not brave enough to have that discussion.

There is not enough use of hospice...many people remain in pain and agony, going through useless and worthless treatment, much longer than is necessary. Why not live your final days or weeks in comfort, at home, with your family?

 

[xotoxi]

I want to know what price or value do you place another human beings life? Rationing will be a violation of the Constitution. But to demorcrats it really doesn't matter because obamacare is unconstitutional.

bigrednck...do you think that every medical procedure should be available to any American if they want it? Are you against ANY limits being drawn?

Do you think that a 99 year old woman with kidney failure on dialysis should receive a kidney transplant?

If not, why not? If so, why?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Real men,like my Dad the former Marine Captain, do not "look for anything that will keep them alive".
He pulled allof the tubes out of his mouth last May at age 88. He had a living will that stated NO resusitation and the medical thief con artists hooked him up anyway.
Real men do not want life support or greedy hospitals and doctors getting rich off of the taxpayers when they are very old.
That is the damn problem. People want to keep Gramps and Granny alive at the government tit until 109 if they could.
And the medical industry growing at 18% again this year when GNP is at 2% growth are willing to oblige.
WAKE THE FUCK UP DUMBASS AMERICANS.

Too many people in America are afraid of dying. There is a "keep him alive at all costs" attitude, even when there is no hope and no quality of life.

And with the overriding philosophy of never giving up and allowing death to occur ends up frigthening people into not being brave enough to make that decision...or families not brave enough to have that discussion.

There is not enough use of hospice...many people remain in pain and agony, going through useless and worthless treatment, much longer than is necessary. Why not live your final days or weeks in comfort, at home, with your family?

Because it's not for you or anyone else to decide thats why.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I want to know what price or value do you place another human beings life? Rationing will be a violation of the Constitution. But to demorcrats it really doesn't matter because obamacare is unconstitutional.

bigrednck...do you think that every medical procedure should be available to any American if they want it? Are you against ANY limits being drawn?

Do you think that a 99 year old woman with kidney failure on dialysis should receive a kidney transplant?

If not, why not? If so, why?

hutoxi what is the value of life? What price is the cut off?

 

[xotoxi]

My grandmother was born in 1898 she died at the age of 88 she would work out in the yard doing yard work, she had no problem cuting trees down with a handsaw.

I'm hoping that your grandmother's ability to cut down trees with a handsaw did not directly lead to her demise at the age of 88.

That fact would transform your statement from poignant to ironic.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I can't rep you but your post bears repeating.

My grandmother was born in 1898 she died at the age of 88 she would work out in the yard doing yard work, she had no problem cuting trees down with a handsaw.

Well congrats to your grandma.
However what has that to do with the topic of this thread?

many of you asswipes if you had your choice you would tell her to die because of her age.. I was pointing out that people up in years still have an active life.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

My grandmother was born in 1898 she died at the age of 88 she would work out in the yard doing yard work, she had no problem cuting trees down with a handsaw.

I'm hoping that your grandmother's ability to cut down trees with a handsaw did not directly lead to her demise at the age of 88.

That fact would transform your statement from poignant to ironic.

Nope it did not.

 

[xotoxi]

Real men,like my Dad the former Marine Captain, do not "look for anything that will keep them alive".
He pulled allof the tubes out of his mouth last May at age 88. He had a living will that stated NO resusitation and the medical thief con artists hooked him up anyway.
Real men do not want life support or greedy hospitals and doctors getting rich off of the taxpayers when they are very old.
That is the damn problem. People want to keep Gramps and Granny alive at the government tit until 109 if they could.
And the medical industry growing at 18% again this year when GNP is at 2% growth are willing to oblige.
WAKE THE FUCK UP DUMBASS AMERICANS.

Too many people in America are afraid of dying. There is a "keep him alive at all costs" attitude, even when there is no hope and no quality of life.

And with the overriding philosophy of never giving up and allowing death to occur ends up frigthening people into not being brave enough to make that decision...or families not brave enough to have that discussion.

There is not enough use of hospice...many people remain in pain and agony, going through useless and worthless treatment, much longer than is necessary. Why not live your final days or weeks in comfort, at home, with your family?

Because it's not for you or anyone else to decide thats why.

I'm not saying that it is my place or anyone elses place to decide.

But it is my place to discuss all options, which ranges from full treatment and full resuscitation to comfort measures. I have encountered many people that never realized that they could choose the latter for any number of reasons.

 

[xotoxi]

I want to know what price or value do you place another human beings life? Rationing will be a violation of the Constitution. But to demorcrats it really doesn't matter because obamacare is unconstitutional.

bigrednck...do you think that every medical procedure should be available to any American if they want it? Are you against ANY limits being drawn?

Do you think that a 99 year old woman with kidney failure on dialysis should receive a kidney transplant?

If not, why not? If so, why?

hutoxi what is the value of life? What price is the cut off?

I asked the question. I will not accept an answer in a form of a redirected question.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Too many people in America are afraid of dying. There is a "keep him alive at all costs" attitude, even when there is no hope and no quality of life.

And with the overriding philosophy of never giving up and allowing death to occur ends up frigthening people into not being brave enough to make that decision...or families not brave enough to have that discussion.

There is not enough use of hospice...many people remain in pain and agony, going through useless and worthless treatment, much longer than is necessary. Why not live your final days or weeks in comfort, at home, with your family?

Because it's not for you or anyone else to decide thats why.

I'm not saying that it is my place or anyone elses place to decide.

But it is my place to discuss all options, which ranges from full treatment and full resuscitation to comfort measures. I have encountered many people that never realized that they could choose the latter for any number of reasons.

I'm not saying that it is my place or anyone elses place to decide.

You may not be aware of it but you are in facting making that statement.

But it is my place to discuss all options, which ranges from full treatment and full resuscitation to comfort measures.

Once you start talking death with old people it will start to show the affects. It's like a chain reaction.