A Tutorial For Trump Supporters On Climate Change

[Soggy in NOLA]

I have the answer, eliminate Co2.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Co2 bad.

 

[Jarlaxle]

It isn't free from the sun, moron. Do you imagine that PV cells are free? Please name a solar power installation that was built for free.

Oh golly...you know we're not talking about PV cells. You know we're talking about parabolic mirrors merely focusing the sunlight on a tube that then heats water to steam to run turbines, just like coal, oil & nuclear do..

Nice try though. You have to be an industry blogger. Because they always do this on the topic of solar thermal steam. They say "but solar panels are expensive!" as if we were talking about solar panels...

One more time, Silly: Show me a solar plant-ONE SINGLE SOLAR PLANT-capable of making a profit without subsidies.

 

[LaDexter]

CO2 doesn't do anything except feed plants. It is not a pollutant. It doesn't warm anything. So sayeth the highly correlated satellite and balloon raw data.

 

[westwall]

Tutorial for you:...Scams and hoaxes in climate change business are also real, and in no shortage.

Or do you actually believe that taxing people to death helps to stop climate change?

Yes, taxing businesses who use too much carbon does help to stop climate change. How hard is that for you to grasp?

Given: NASA says the thermosphere is thinning due to human carbon use on the planet.

Given: the less carbon used by humans, the less damage to our thermosphere; which is like our "home's" insulation; protecting us from too much heat (after the ice sheets hit a critical small size) in the Summer and too much cold in the Winter.

Given: the carbon tax forces companies to increase their profits by tagging on things like geothermal or solar thermal steam-powered adjuncts to existing carbon facilities. There is even geothermal power plant potential in the Northeast. But look out West! It's like a veritable goldmine of sun-soaked acreage underlain by hundreds of thousands of geothermal reserve acres.

It turns out America really does have massive potential to be a world leader in energy production (and jobs created thereby). Only the energy is way too clean for current industry moguls. For some reason, they're even willing to sacrifice profits on the altar of "must foul the planet if we make money off of it!"

Given, for one person's TV to stay on all day = 10 lbs of burning coal...is wholly unacceptable.

Yes! Yes carbon taxes slow climate change! And, when power companies install these solar thermal adjuncts, especially in sunny regions, every sunny day they don't burn carbon, they're getting a tax break AND greater profits by charging the customers the same electric fee but not paying for any fuel! The last bit Mr. Trump should take a second look at. It's the type of "Make America Great Again" program that will win him world accolades...and tons of cash if he himself invests via proxies while he's in Office..

They're just rows of parabolic mirrors that focus sunshine on a tube a few feet above them. The tube takes the heated thermal oil to heat exchangers that then boil water to steam. The steam runs a turbine exactly the same way steam from coal or oil or nuclear heat does. Those steam turbines just don't care where the steam comes from as it turns out. Very simple stuff.

If your company taps geothermal steam or heat sources instead, you get free fuel 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Imagine the profits then? charging the same rate as if you would if you were burning coal, oil or deadly dangerous nuclear fuel?

Mr. Trump ought to take a look at our geothermal potential here in the US. He's talked about fracking (drilling deep into the ground for the purposes of energy extraction). Why not just drill in once here or there and have a permanent supply of energy that doesn't foul our earth more?

Free "drillable heat" for the taking! Charge the same rate as if fracked & burned oil! Only without the irreversible environmental damage!

There's even geothermal power production potential in the Northeast. And look out West! There are 100s of thousands of sun-soaked acres underlain by the same amount of geothermal heat reserves at easy to tap depths. Imagine free fuel 24 hours a day 365 days a year, while charging the same rate as burning coal, oil or nuclear just to create steam? Wow Mr. Trump. There's your profit-cow and jobs right there.

As it turns out, America does have the potential to be a world leader in power production. Just not the type that fouls the earth irreparably. Now if we could just convince the carbon moguls to want more profits and not bow at the altar of "must foul the earth in order to make money" (even if doing so is more expensive to them and all of us), we'd be getting busy making America Great Again.

Please tell us EXACTLY how a carbon tax will limit global temperature.

 

[LaDexter]

A carbon tax will only enrich left wingers at the expense of businesses who will move to other countries because of it.

The planet is on a slight cooling pattern for the next million years, and we could increase CO2 10 fold from what it is and nothing would warm because of it.

 

[12icer]

You know, a lot of liberal dumbasses are vegans so we could do away with co2 let all the plants die, except some that we could use to repopulate and let them starve<<< hahahHAHAHAHAhhhaaaa, That make a lot more sense than anything most of the liberals in this thread post about ANYTHING on the whole forum. Now lets hear a multiplanic rebuttal from the liberal mentally challenged section,, HEY and get your last presidential candidate, and the current occupant of the suit to join in It would be fun to see how stupid they really are about ANYTHING but telling lies and running con games on you igmos.

 

[bripat9643]

mirrors are made of glass, right? glass with silver backing, right?

do you understand that it takes a lot of energy to melt silicon to make glass and a lot of energy to mine and process silver?

there is a lot more to the equation than you lefties are willing to admit.

You mean the one time, right? Just like the one time costs & upkeep any power plant has? How much energy does it take to construct a coal burning power plant? And BTW, no, the parabolic reflectors are sheet metal. If you watched the installation of them you'd know that in the youtube on page #1 here. It takes sheet metal to build a coal fired power plant too. So if you want to play pound for pound cost of installation and time and materials and energy etc. etc...we can "go there". You've lost already so I'd let it ride if I were you.

The experiment I outlined on page on for anyone to see what power we have here in the US and are completely neglecting...while China, Morocco, Spain and the ME are charging ahead on... was done with a PLASTIC car headlight reflector with a simple reflective chrome type paint finish. Put a piece of wood or cardboard in the clip where the bulb used to be, put on your welding glasses...and without looking directly at the center where the wood is, watch as it catches fire just mere seconds after you point it at the sun. THAT'S what's hitting the tube above the parabolic reflectors in a solar thermal plant, heating the oil within to up to 300 degrees C. THAT is what then goes to the heat exchangers to boil water that then goes on to run the turbines.

Co2 is not polution.

period

The highly correlated satellite and balloon raw data show no warming in the atmosphere.

Theory rejected.

NASA says differently. Your infantile "rebuttal" of thousands of scientific findings, corroborated and peer-reviewed is REJECTED. "Show no warming in the atmosphere".. Well here on earth though, where the rubber hits the road, we're accelerating alarming weather and bizarre weather to the point of crop interruption, heat strokes and cold snaps that you would expect if the atmosphere was THINNING from carbon use by humans...instead of "warming".

Yes, a colder thermosphere would cause to shrink, like your dick if you jumped into an ice pond. But being a builder myself, I've always been in favor of staying cooler in Summer and warmer in Winter by having fluffy (not flattening) insulation in my walls and ceiling channels....and my thermosphere...

Below is a picture of a solar power plant. Are you really trying to tell us that doesn't cost anything?

 

[12icer]

Ah ^^ the levity approach. Divert the topic with humor!

Next?

Next what? Person to prove how shallow and ignorant your google arguments are?

 

[LeftofLeft]

Donald Trump Will Be the Only World Leader to Deny Climate Change Is Real

As future president, Donald Trump has promised to dismantle President Barack Obama’s progress toward improving the environment. He has supported the Keystone XL pipeline and removing regulations on the gas and oil industries. He wants to reduce the influence of the Environmental Protection Agency, which he called a “disgrace,” and scrap the Clean Power Plan, which would compel power plants to reduce their carbon emission. He wants to “cancel” the Paris climate change deal. And he also once claimed that global warming is a hoax “created by and for the Chinese.” Donald Trump Will Be the Only World Leader to Deny Climate Change Is Real

Well Mr. Trump. You's got some learnin' to do. Average-student business-major Donald Trump; who doesn't take regular security briefings from experts even, cuz, you know, he's smarter than they are on everything...has suddenly deemed himself smarter than world scientific consensus. He might as well declare that green is now purple. What will be next in his world of make-believe?

Even the chemical industry disagrees with you; and dozens of other professional organizations, including NASA. Who is smarter Trumpees? Your guru Donald Trump? Or almost all world scientists?:

American Chemical Society
"Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)4 http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Discuss

The question you fuckers should be asking is, what is the rest of the world doing? India? China? Russia? You people never ask what the rest of the world is doing and turn a blind eye to the liberal elites jet setting, yacht parking, and SUV riding transports to the venue to wag the collective finger at US. You people don't realize that it is this type of attitude that put Trump into Office. Come up with a plan to hold the World to the same standards on an EQUAL basis and perhaps we will take you shits seriously enough to debate.

 

[2aguy]

Donald Trump Will Be the Only World Leader to Deny Climate Change Is Real

As future president, Donald Trump has promised to dismantle President Barack Obama’s progress toward improving the environment. He has supported the Keystone XL pipeline and removing regulations on the gas and oil industries. He wants to reduce the influence of the Environmental Protection Agency, which he called a “disgrace,” and scrap the Clean Power Plan, which would compel power plants to reduce their carbon emission. He wants to “cancel” the Paris climate change deal. And he also once claimed that global warming is a hoax “created by and for the Chinese.” Donald Trump Will Be the Only World Leader to Deny Climate Change Is Real

Well Mr. Trump. You's got some learnin' to do. Average-student business-major Donald Trump; who doesn't take regular security briefings from experts even, cuz, you know, he's smarter than they are on everything...has suddenly deemed himself smarter than world scientific consensus. He might as well declare that green is now purple. What will be next in his world of make-believe?

Even the chemical industry disagrees with you; and dozens of other professional organizations, including NASA. Who is smarter Trumpees? Your guru Donald Trump? Or almost all world scientists?:

American Chemical Society
"Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)4 http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Discuss

The climate changes with no help from men........tutorial over........

 

[12icer]

mirrors are made of glass, right? glass with silver backing, right?

do you understand that it takes a lot of energy to melt silicon to make glass and a lot of energy to mine and process silver?

there is a lot more to the equation than you lefties are willing to admit.

You mean the one time, right? Just like the one time costs & upkeep any power plant has? How much energy does it take to construct a coal burning power plant? And BTW, no, the parabolic reflectors are sheet metal. If you watched the installation of them you'd know that in the youtube on page #1 here. It takes sheet metal to build a coal fired power plant too. So if you want to play pound for pound cost of installation and time and materials and energy etc. etc...we can "go there". You've lost already so I'd let it ride if I were you.

The experiment I outlined on page on for anyone to see what power we have here in the US and are completely neglecting...while China, Morocco, Spain and the ME are charging ahead on... was done with a PLASTIC car headlight reflector with a simple reflective chrome type paint finish. Put a piece of wood or cardboard in the clip where the bulb used to be, put on your welding glasses...and without looking directly at the center where the wood is, watch as it catches fire just mere seconds after you point it at the sun. THAT'S what's hitting the tube above the parabolic reflectors in a solar thermal plant, heating the oil within to up to 300 degrees C. THAT is what then goes to the heat exchangers to boil water that then goes on to run the turbines.

Co2 is not polution.

period

The highly correlated satellite and balloon raw data show no warming in the atmosphere.

Theory rejected.

NASA says differently. Your infantile "rebuttal" of thousands of scientific findings, corroborated and peer-reviewed is REJECTED. "Show no warming in the atmosphere".. Well here on earth though, where the rubber hits the road, we're accelerating alarming weather and bizarre weather to the point of crop interruption, heat strokes and cold snaps that you would expect if the atmosphere was THINNING from carbon use by humans...instead of "warming".

Yes, a colder thermosphere would cause to shrink, like your dick if you jumped into an ice pond. But being a builder myself, I've always been in favor of staying cooler in Summer and warmer in Winter by having fluffy (not flattening) insulation in my walls and ceiling channels....and my thermosphere...

HAHAHAHA 'YOU TUBE' and GOOGLE SCIENTIST HAHAHAHAHAHA damn I knew this shit was a monplanics BS HAHAHAHAHAHA oh man I always like a liberal admitting they are talking out their arse. HAHAHA Forget it bud stupid AINT fixable HAHAHAH oHHH man.

 

[Silhouette]

So...minimal substance in "rebuttals"...healthy doses of ridicule....

When you kids are ready to talk at the big folks table, let me know.
Have any of you so far taken a car headlamp reflector and put a piece of wood or cardboard on the bulb clip and pointed the reflector at the sun? No? You just want to ridicule solar radiation's immediate power to heat/burn? Or would you like to invest in a company that charges the same rate for power to customers that relies on FREE FUEL for hundreds of days a year, beating their competitors by that same number of days/tons/$coal or oil prices?

Were you aware that if you leave your TV on all day, it burns around 10lbs of coal? JUST your TV. 10 friggin' pounds. NASA says our carbon burning here on the surface is thinning the thermosphere; thinning our insulation from the extremes of space. You have steam preferences do you? Your steam to run turbines HAS to come from burning carbon and nowhere else, right?

Do the experiment. Get a car headlamp reflector, put on your welding glasses and try it out. It's neat. ANYONE can do it and see the potential the US has in her Southwest & Midwest regions. It's a goldmine and we're just sitting on ass letting the Chinese beat us at the technology & markets AGAIN...

 

[Silhouette]

If Trump taps this energy resource, liberals who currently urinate on pictures of his face every morning would shift to hero-worship nearly over night. This might be one of those unforeseen rabbits Trump might pull out of the hat to really bump our economy and actually do what he promised in his campaign. Who cares if the steam is oily or green? It just so happens in this instance the green energy is the most profitable.

Some ignorant poster on a previous page doesn't understand the difference between linear solar thermal arrays & the big jokes that BigOil moles posing as "green engineers" tried to sell poor blundering Obama on..predicted to be inefficient.

So, here are big bright pictures to help you understand the difference.

First, the type that works, with the target mere feet away from parabolic (solar radiation concentrating) reflectors:

Here's the joke type, engineered by BigOil to fail. Note how far away the target is from the array of FLAT mirrors...lol...

Were they serious? vv Yes, of course this type of "solar thermal" energy is wholly inefficient. I wonder how hot my hand would be if I had a flat mirror 1/4 mile away shining at it? How dumb do they think we are?

 

[Kosh]

All you need to know about AGW:

The entire AGW cult movement is based on computer models that they program..

 

[SYTFE]

Discuss

There really isn't much to "discuss" other than the fact that Trump voters are fucking idiots.

 

[Freewill]

If Trump taps this energy resource, liberals who currently urinate on pictures of his face every morning would shift to hero-worship nearly over night. This might be one of those unforeseen rabbits Trump might pull out of the hat to really bump our economy and actually do what he promised in his campaign. Who cares if the steam is oily or green? It just so happens in this instance the green energy is the most profitable.

Some ignorant poster on a previous page doesn't understand the difference between linear solar thermal arrays & the big jokes that BigOil moles posing as "green engineers" tried to sell poor blundering Obama on..predicted to be inefficient.

So, here are big bright pictures to help you understand the difference.

First, the type that works, with the target mere feet away from parabolic (solar radiation concentrating) reflectors:

Here's the joke type, engineered by BigOil to fail. Note how far away the target is from the array of FLAT mirrors...lol...

Were they serious? vv Yes, of course this type of "solar thermal" energy is wholly inefficient. I wonder how hot my hand would be if I had a flat mirror 1/4 mile away shining at it? How dumb do they think we are?

The light that is being reflected has already traveled 92.96 million miles, what's another 1/4 mile?

 

[jasonnfree]

It's colder now than it's been in years. Where are you hiding the heat? C'mon, where's the heat?

If you had read the OP and other posts I made on page 1, you'd know that with a thinning thermosphere from man's carbon activities here on the surface, we would experience colder Winters and hotter Summers in general. However, due to the water molecule's need for massive heat in order to melt (unlike other molecules) in Summers as the ice sheets were shrinking with winds blowing across them, you would EXPECT to feel cooler Summers until those sheets' sizes reached a tipping point where their melting could no longer cool the lower regions in Summer. Then, get ready to broil...

In those cooler Summers during this crucial "get busy and do SOMETHING!" phase..the greedy heat-needs of melting ice is literally robbing the heat from surrounding areas and so those areas experience the feeling on the skin of "a cooler Summer". But this won't last. So enjoy it while you can.

We're in a continuum in which there still might be time to turn this thing around. But we'd better act fast. And that's why I proposed in post #82 for Trump to initiate the new type of energy that China, Spain, Morocco & the ME are quickly scurrying to beat us at. Free fuel to run steam turbines is nothing to turn your nose up at.

I was really stunned to learn that leaving one 100w light bulb on or your computer, burns pounds of coal per day for just one of those devices!

Coal Power Plants - Jason Munster's Energy and Environment Blog If you have a 100W incandescent bulb, and you leave it on for a day, you just burnt 2 lbs. of coal. Good job. If turning off your lights to save on electricity is not enough to get you to shut em off, just picture that much coal burning to keep that light on. Your laptop computer uses about 2-3 pounds if it runs the entire day. Your TV, if left on, will burn more like 10 lbs. of coal a day.

By getting our energy from carbons instead of concentrated solar radiation creating steam, we are literally destroying our planet. This is like insisting that people still drive horse and buggy to work while the rest of the world drives brand new efficient cars. We are propping up an industry that knows it is finite, knows it will be necessarily dead one way or the other in 30 or 40 years, just so some really rich and really lazy people don't have to switch over their monopolies and assets to this simpler way of creating steam to run turbines. I suspect also some ME bloggers posing as Americans are furiously trying to keep us dependent and dumbly ignoring reality because what else does the ME have to offer the world besides oil? Goat meat? Camels? Lentils?

They DO have sunshine though. And the ME has even seen the writing on the wall with the oil problems. China can't even breathe, she's burning so many carbons locally. It's a huge mess that has a cure: a simple car headlamp reflector and a chunk of cardboard or dry wood aimed at the sun, even in Winter in northern climates, will spell out that answer quite simply and clearly.

People on both sides of the issue can find stuff on the internet that will reinforce their beliefs. You're not a scientist. Just a guy who believes the GW stuff and finds links that reinforce his beliefs. No offense. In the meantime, looks like obama fires people that don't push the theory that humans cause global warming. Link below.

Report: Obama Admin Fires Scientist for Being Too Forthright With Congress

 

[Wyatt earp]

Tutorial for you:...Scams and hoaxes in climate change business are also real, and in no shortage.

Or do you actually believe that taxing people to death helps to stop climate change?

Yes, taxing businesses who use too much carbon does help to stop climate change. How hard is that for you to grasp?

Given: NASA says the thermosphere is thinning due to human carbon use on the planet.

Given: the less carbon used by humans, the less damage to our thermosphere; which is like our "home's" insulation; protecting us from too much heat (after the ice sheets hit a critical small size) in the Summer and too much cold in the Winter.

Given: the carbon tax forces companies to increase their profits by tagging on things like geothermal or solar thermal steam-powered adjuncts to existing carbon facilities. There is even geothermal power plant potential in the Northeast. But look out West! It's like a veritable goldmine of sun-soaked acreage underlain by hundreds of thousands of geothermal reserve acres.

It turns out America really does have massive potential to be a world leader in energy production (and jobs created thereby). Only the energy is way too clean for current industry moguls. For some reason, they're even willing to sacrifice profits on the altar of "must foul the planet if we make money off of it!"

Given, for one person's TV to stay on all day = 10 lbs of burning coal...is wholly unacceptable.

Yes! Yes carbon taxes slow climate change! And, when power companies install these solar thermal adjuncts, especially in sunny regions, every sunny day they don't burn carbon, they're getting a tax break AND greater profits by charging the customers the same electric fee but not paying for any fuel! The last bit Mr. Trump should take a second look at. It's the type of "Make America Great Again" program that will win him world accolades...and tons of cash if he himself invests via proxies while he's in Office..

They're just rows of parabolic mirrors that focus sunshine on a tube a few feet above them. The tube takes the heated thermal oil to heat exchangers that then boil water to steam. The steam runs a turbine exactly the same way steam from coal or oil or nuclear heat does. Those steam turbines just don't care where the steam comes from as it turns out. Very simple stuff.

If your company taps geothermal steam or heat sources instead, you get free fuel 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Imagine the profits then? charging the same rate as if you would if you were burning coal, oil or deadly dangerous nuclear fuel?

Mr. Trump ought to take a look at our geothermal potential here in the US. He's talked about fracking (drilling deep into the ground for the purposes of energy extraction). Why not just drill in once here or there and have a permanent supply of energy that doesn't foul our earth more?

Free "drillable heat" for the taking! Charge the same rate as if fracked & burned oil! Only without the irreversible environmental damage!

There's even geothermal power production potential in the Northeast. And look out West! There are 100s of thousands of sun-soaked acres underlain by the same amount of geothermal heat reserves at easy to tap depths. Imagine free fuel 24 hours a day 365 days a year, while charging the same rate as burning coal, oil or nuclear just to create steam? Wow Mr. Trump. There's your profit-cow and jobs right there.

As it turns out, America does have the potential to be a world leader in power production. Just not the type that fouls the earth irreparably. Now if we could just convince the carbon moguls to want more profits and not bow at the altar of "must foul the earth in order to make money" (even if doing so is more expensive to them and all of us), we'd be getting busy making America Great Again.

The only thing that's thinning is your hair, another junk science theory.


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[bripat9643]

If Trump taps this energy resource, liberals who currently urinate on pictures of his face every morning would shift to hero-worship nearly over night. This might be one of those unforeseen rabbits Trump might pull out of the hat to really bump our economy and actually do what he promised in his campaign. Who cares if the steam is oily or green? It just so happens in this instance the green energy is the most profitable.

Some ignorant poster on a previous page doesn't understand the difference between linear solar thermal arrays & the big jokes that BigOil moles posing as "green engineers" tried to sell poor blundering Obama on..predicted to be inefficient.

So, here are big bright pictures to help you understand the difference.

First, the type that works, with the target mere feet away from parabolic (solar radiation concentrating) reflectors:

Here's the joke type, engineered by BigOil to fail. Note how far away the target is from the array of FLAT mirrors...lol...

Were they serious? vv Yes, of course this type of "solar thermal" energy is wholly inefficient. I wonder how hot my hand would be if I had a flat mirror 1/4 mile away shining at it? How dumb do they think we are?

Neither type is free. How much do you think a couple hundred acres of the kind you endorse would cost?