Abortion Solutions: Post 'Em Here!

[ding]

Is that what you think I wrote?

Did you just use the British spelling of practice?

That's the only solution the anti-choice side ever put forward.

I'm not a fucking Brit, lol.

I think you are a Brit.

That wasn't the solution I put forward. Or maybe you didn't read it.

Ok, you have nothing, what a surprise!

Well considering I have yet to see you denounce abortion as wrong I would say I am on to something.

Typical loser who's against something but has no solution to propose.

You just proved my point, Brit Boy.

 

[Mudda]

That's the only solution the anti-choice side ever put forward.

I'm not a fucking Brit, lol.

I think you are a Brit.

That wasn't the solution I put forward. Or maybe you didn't read it.

Ok, you have nothing, what a surprise!

Well considering I have yet to see you denounce abortion as wrong I would say I am on to something.

Typical loser who's against something but has no solution to propose.

You just proved my point, Brit Boy.

Your point is you have nothing. I prove it over and over again.

 

[ding]

The point you proved is that you have yet to denounce abortions which was the solution I proposed to reduce abortions. If everyone would admit abortions were wrong we would see a decrease in abortions.

 

[Mudda]

The point you proved is that you have yet to denounce abortions which was the solution I proposed to reduce abortions. If everyone would admit abortions were wrong we would see a decrease in abortions.

So you're saying that outlawing abortion with a law is pointless. Good for you.

 

[GHook93]

(1) Abortion open in the 1 trimester
(2) 2nd and 3 trimester require exceptions
(a) mother life is in danger
(b) baby has birth defects
(c) mother is under age of majority
(d) rape or incest victim


In addition, there should be multiple and free abortions clinics in every ghetto of America (only for minority babies). No questions asked. No exception required for late term.

Start a voucher program for free to discounted abortion for white trash.

We need to thin the herd!


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[aris2chat]

not a person, does not have a birth certificate, cannot get a social security number............can not take a breath

Even during child birth the fetus could be lost.

Till it is born it is not a separate individual. As long as it needs the woman to supply all it's needs till it is born, it is not a person.

Even the bible does not give a value to the baby till one month after it's birth.

Even as a baby, it is dependent on it's parents or caretaker. It is not an independent person


Don't count your chickens before they hatch

DNA says he or she is a specific person.

Actually, it's something the female is still making, so it's hers until she's finished.

DNA says otherwise.

But just to be clear you see some human life as property to be disposed of at the will of its owner, right? Sort of reminds me of the Dred Scott ruling.

two cells is not a baby. and two cells does not live on its own.

but your analogy is one of the stupidest I've ever heard.

far more apt would be you enslaving women by turning them into incubators against their will.

like I always say, these decisions are difficult and most people are barely capable of running their own lives. they certainly shouldn't be trying to run anyone else's.

... this is particularly true of religious fanatics.

we keep telling you.... mind your own business....

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner, Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981

Most miscarriages happen naturally in the first half of a pregnancy. Is that somehow the woman's fault that an underdeveloped "person" died?
No woman should be forced to have a child if she does not want. She is not a slave.

When it is born, then you can call it a living person separate from the mother.

eggs are not chicks and chicks are not chickens

Even till a child is grown, the parents make decisions for them, they are not independent.

What next, egg and sperm that have not met are going to be classified as human life?

If "you" do not believe in abortion, don't get one. Don't tell others what they must do, be it for nine months or 19 yrs.

 

[aris2chat]

Actually, it's something the female is still making, so it's hers until she's finished.

DNA says otherwise.

But just to be clear you see some human life as property to be disposed of at the will of its owner, right? Sort of reminds me of the Dred Scott ruling.

A woman's body is hers to decide what to do with. Men don't get to make that call for them.

Sure, but the human life in her body is not her body. It is a genetically distinct new human being. It seems that you worship science until it suits your purpose to reject science.

Not it is a parasite feeding on her, making her sick in most cases and deforming her body, then causing pain when it is ready to exit. If she is not ready and willing to let it feed for nine months, she should have the option to remove it. If she is not ready to take the risk of dying in childbirth, she should have the option to have it removed.

The only one to decide if she wants the embryo/fetus for nine month is the woman, it is her body that is being used/donated to feed and protect the fetus till it becomes a child ready to enter the world.

It is human being when it takes its first breath and cries out. If it is inside her body, it is hers to decide if she wants it or not.

If it was a tape worm or something like that feeding on her, sapping her greenery, growing larger till bits are ready to come out............ shouldn't she have the right to decide if she wants it removed?

If it is cancer, somatic mutation of her DNA, begins to grow and feed off her, shouldn't she have the right to have it removed? It is her part of her body and her human cells that have mutated.

If she is not willing to risk her life for either to grow, why should she not have the right over her on body and choice to remove it?

If she has heath issues that would be complicated by a pregnancy, why should she take the risk. It might mean her not being able to take her meds, or some deformity or death or the fetus/baby if she does continue her meds.

It is not your call, it is hers.

"An individual human life begins at conception when a sperm cell from the father fuses with an egg cell from the mother, to form a new cell, the zygote, the first embryonic stage. The zygote grows and divides into two daughter cells, each of which grows and divides into two grand-daughter cells, and this cell growth/division process continues on, over and over again. The zygote is the start of a biological continuum that automatically grows and develops, passing gradually and sequentially through the stages we call foetus, baby, child, adult, old person and ending eventually in death. The full genetic instructions to guide the development of the continuum, in interaction with its environment, are present in the zygote. Every stage along the continuum is biologically human and each point along the continuum has the full human properties appropriate to that point." Dr. William Reville, University College Cork, Ireland.

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.” Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization

“[All] organisms, however large and complex they might be as full grown, begin life as a single cell. This is true for the human being, for instance, who begins life as a fertilized ovum.” Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.” James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

“Your baby starts out as a fertilized egg…For the first six weeks, the baby is called an embryo.” Prenatal Care, US Department of Health and Human Services, Maternal and Child Health Div 1990

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.” Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.” Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association, Newsweek November 12, 1973, (p 74)

“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.” The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006. (Video)

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.” In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005 (Prenatal Development Video)

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.” DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.” Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

remove it from the mother and see how long it lives, then try to tell us it is a separate independent life and not part of the woman.

and orange seed is not an orange

 

[ding]

DNA says he or she is a specific person.

Actually, it's something the female is still making, so it's hers until she's finished.

DNA says otherwise.

But just to be clear you see some human life as property to be disposed of at the will of its owner, right? Sort of reminds me of the Dred Scott ruling.

two cells is not a baby. and two cells does not live on its own.

but your analogy is one of the stupidest I've ever heard.

far more apt would be you enslaving women by turning them into incubators against their will.

like I always say, these decisions are difficult and most people are barely capable of running their own lives. they certainly shouldn't be trying to run anyone else's.

... this is particularly true of religious fanatics.

we keep telling you.... mind your own business....

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner, Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981

Most miscarriages happen naturally in the first half of a pregnancy. Is that somehow the woman's fault that an underdeveloped "person" died?
No woman should be forced to have a child if she does not want. She is not a slave.

When it is born, then you can call it a living person separate from the mother.

eggs are not chicks and chicks are not chickens

Even till a child is grown, the parents make decisions for them, they are not independent.

What next, egg and sperm that have not met are going to be classified as human life?

If "you" do not believe in abortion, don't get one. Don't tell others what they must do, be it for nine months or 19 yrs.

Where did I tell anyone what to do?

 

[ding]

DNA says otherwise.

But just to be clear you see some human life as property to be disposed of at the will of its owner, right? Sort of reminds me of the Dred Scott ruling.

A woman's body is hers to decide what to do with. Men don't get to make that call for them.

Sure, but the human life in her body is not her body. It is a genetically distinct new human being. It seems that you worship science until it suits your purpose to reject science.

Not it is a parasite feeding on her, making her sick in most cases and deforming her body, then causing pain when it is ready to exit. If she is not ready and willing to let it feed for nine months, she should have the option to remove it. If she is not ready to take the risk of dying in childbirth, she should have the option to have it removed.

The only one to decide if she wants the embryo/fetus for nine month is the woman, it is her body that is being used/donated to feed and protect the fetus till it becomes a child ready to enter the world.

It is human being when it takes its first breath and cries out. If it is inside her body, it is hers to decide if she wants it or not.

If it was a tape worm or something like that feeding on her, sapping her greenery, growing larger till bits are ready to come out............ shouldn't she have the right to decide if she wants it removed?

If it is cancer, somatic mutation of her DNA, begins to grow and feed off her, shouldn't she have the right to have it removed? It is her part of her body and her human cells that have mutated.

If she is not willing to risk her life for either to grow, why should she not have the right over her on body and choice to remove it?

If she has heath issues that would be complicated by a pregnancy, why should she take the risk. It might mean her not being able to take her meds, or some deformity or death or the fetus/baby if she does continue her meds.

It is not your call, it is hers.

"An individual human life begins at conception when a sperm cell from the father fuses with an egg cell from the mother, to form a new cell, the zygote, the first embryonic stage. The zygote grows and divides into two daughter cells, each of which grows and divides into two grand-daughter cells, and this cell growth/division process continues on, over and over again. The zygote is the start of a biological continuum that automatically grows and develops, passing gradually and sequentially through the stages we call foetus, baby, child, adult, old person and ending eventually in death. The full genetic instructions to guide the development of the continuum, in interaction with its environment, are present in the zygote. Every stage along the continuum is biologically human and each point along the continuum has the full human properties appropriate to that point." Dr. William Reville, University College Cork, Ireland.

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.” Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization

“[All] organisms, however large and complex they might be as full grown, begin life as a single cell. This is true for the human being, for instance, who begins life as a fertilized ovum.” Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.” James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

“Your baby starts out as a fertilized egg…For the first six weeks, the baby is called an embryo.” Prenatal Care, US Department of Health and Human Services, Maternal and Child Health Div 1990

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.” Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.” Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association, Newsweek November 12, 1973, (p 74)

“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.” The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006. (Video)

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.” In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005 (Prenatal Development Video)

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.” DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.” Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

remove it from the mother and see how long it lives, then try to tell us it is a separate independent life and not part of the woman.

and orange seed is not an orange

At conception it is fully human and has the appropriate human traits for that stage of its human life cycle.

 

[Mudda]

Actually, it's something the female is still making, so it's hers until she's finished.

DNA says otherwise.

But just to be clear you see some human life as property to be disposed of at the will of its owner, right? Sort of reminds me of the Dred Scott ruling.

two cells is not a baby. and two cells does not live on its own.

but your analogy is one of the stupidest I've ever heard.

far more apt would be you enslaving women by turning them into incubators against their will.

like I always say, these decisions are difficult and most people are barely capable of running their own lives. they certainly shouldn't be trying to run anyone else's.

... this is particularly true of religious fanatics.

we keep telling you.... mind your own business....

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner, Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981

Most miscarriages happen naturally in the first half of a pregnancy. Is that somehow the woman's fault that an underdeveloped "person" died?
No woman should be forced to have a child if she does not want. She is not a slave.

When it is born, then you can call it a living person separate from the mother.

eggs are not chicks and chicks are not chickens

Even till a child is grown, the parents make decisions for them, they are not independent.

What next, egg and sperm that have not met are going to be classified as human life?

If "you" do not believe in abortion, don't get one. Don't tell others what they must do, be it for nine months or 19 yrs.

Where did tell anyone what to do?

You're an anti-choicer, you all want to stop people from having an abortion.

 

[Mudda]

A woman's body is hers to decide what to do with. Men don't get to make that call for them.

Sure, but the human life in her body is not her body. It is a genetically distinct new human being. It seems that you worship science until it suits your purpose to reject science.

Not it is a parasite feeding on her, making her sick in most cases and deforming her body, then causing pain when it is ready to exit. If she is not ready and willing to let it feed for nine months, she should have the option to remove it. If she is not ready to take the risk of dying in childbirth, she should have the option to have it removed.

The only one to decide if she wants the embryo/fetus for nine month is the woman, it is her body that is being used/donated to feed and protect the fetus till it becomes a child ready to enter the world.

It is human being when it takes its first breath and cries out. If it is inside her body, it is hers to decide if she wants it or not.

If it was a tape worm or something like that feeding on her, sapping her greenery, growing larger till bits are ready to come out............ shouldn't she have the right to decide if she wants it removed?

If it is cancer, somatic mutation of her DNA, begins to grow and feed off her, shouldn't she have the right to have it removed? It is her part of her body and her human cells that have mutated.

If she is not willing to risk her life for either to grow, why should she not have the right over her on body and choice to remove it?

If she has heath issues that would be complicated by a pregnancy, why should she take the risk. It might mean her not being able to take her meds, or some deformity or death or the fetus/baby if she does continue her meds.

It is not your call, it is hers.

"An individual human life begins at conception when a sperm cell from the father fuses with an egg cell from the mother, to form a new cell, the zygote, the first embryonic stage. The zygote grows and divides into two daughter cells, each of which grows and divides into two grand-daughter cells, and this cell growth/division process continues on, over and over again. The zygote is the start of a biological continuum that automatically grows and develops, passing gradually and sequentially through the stages we call foetus, baby, child, adult, old person and ending eventually in death. The full genetic instructions to guide the development of the continuum, in interaction with its environment, are present in the zygote. Every stage along the continuum is biologically human and each point along the continuum has the full human properties appropriate to that point." Dr. William Reville, University College Cork, Ireland.

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.” Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization

“[All] organisms, however large and complex they might be as full grown, begin life as a single cell. This is true for the human being, for instance, who begins life as a fertilized ovum.” Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.” James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

“Your baby starts out as a fertilized egg…For the first six weeks, the baby is called an embryo.” Prenatal Care, US Department of Health and Human Services, Maternal and Child Health Div 1990

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.” Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.” Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association, Newsweek November 12, 1973, (p 74)

“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.” The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006. (Video)

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.” In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005 (Prenatal Development Video)

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.” DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.” Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

remove it from the mother and see how long it lives, then try to tell us it is a separate independent life and not part of the woman.

and orange seed is not an orange

At conception it is fully human and has the appropriate human traits for that stage of its human life cycle.

Are you ok with people using condoms not to get pregnant?

 

[ding]

Sure, but the human life in her body is not her body. It is a genetically distinct new human being. It seems that you worship science until it suits your purpose to reject science.

Not it is a parasite feeding on her, making her sick in most cases and deforming her body, then causing pain when it is ready to exit. If she is not ready and willing to let it feed for nine months, she should have the option to remove it. If she is not ready to take the risk of dying in childbirth, she should have the option to have it removed.

The only one to decide if she wants the embryo/fetus for nine month is the woman, it is her body that is being used/donated to feed and protect the fetus till it becomes a child ready to enter the world.

It is human being when it takes its first breath and cries out. If it is inside her body, it is hers to decide if she wants it or not.

If it was a tape worm or something like that feeding on her, sapping her greenery, growing larger till bits are ready to come out............ shouldn't she have the right to decide if she wants it removed?

If it is cancer, somatic mutation of her DNA, begins to grow and feed off her, shouldn't she have the right to have it removed? It is her part of her body and her human cells that have mutated.

If she is not willing to risk her life for either to grow, why should she not have the right over her on body and choice to remove it?

If she has heath issues that would be complicated by a pregnancy, why should she take the risk. It might mean her not being able to take her meds, or some deformity or death or the fetus/baby if she does continue her meds.

It is not your call, it is hers.

"An individual human life begins at conception when a sperm cell from the father fuses with an egg cell from the mother, to form a new cell, the zygote, the first embryonic stage. The zygote grows and divides into two daughter cells, each of which grows and divides into two grand-daughter cells, and this cell growth/division process continues on, over and over again. The zygote is the start of a biological continuum that automatically grows and develops, passing gradually and sequentially through the stages we call foetus, baby, child, adult, old person and ending eventually in death. The full genetic instructions to guide the development of the continuum, in interaction with its environment, are present in the zygote. Every stage along the continuum is biologically human and each point along the continuum has the full human properties appropriate to that point." Dr. William Reville, University College Cork, Ireland.

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.” Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization

“[All] organisms, however large and complex they might be as full grown, begin life as a single cell. This is true for the human being, for instance, who begins life as a fertilized ovum.” Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.” James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

“Your baby starts out as a fertilized egg…For the first six weeks, the baby is called an embryo.” Prenatal Care, US Department of Health and Human Services, Maternal and Child Health Div 1990

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.” Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.” Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association, Newsweek November 12, 1973, (p 74)

“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.” The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006. (Video)

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.” In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005 (Prenatal Development Video)

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.” DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.” Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

remove it from the mother and see how long it lives, then try to tell us it is a separate independent life and not part of the woman.

and orange seed is not an orange

At conception it is fully human and has the appropriate human traits for that stage of its human life cycle.

Are you ok with people using condoms not to get pregnant?

I think you should double wrap yours.

 

[ding]

DNA says otherwise.

But just to be clear you see some human life as property to be disposed of at the will of its owner, right? Sort of reminds me of the Dred Scott ruling.

two cells is not a baby. and two cells does not live on its own.

but your analogy is one of the stupidest I've ever heard.

far more apt would be you enslaving women by turning them into incubators against their will.

like I always say, these decisions are difficult and most people are barely capable of running their own lives. they certainly shouldn't be trying to run anyone else's.

... this is particularly true of religious fanatics.

we keep telling you.... mind your own business....

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner, Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981

Most miscarriages happen naturally in the first half of a pregnancy. Is that somehow the woman's fault that an underdeveloped "person" died?
No woman should be forced to have a child if she does not want. She is not a slave.

When it is born, then you can call it a living person separate from the mother.

eggs are not chicks and chicks are not chickens

Even till a child is grown, the parents make decisions for them, they are not independent.

What next, egg and sperm that have not met are going to be classified as human life?

If "you" do not believe in abortion, don't get one. Don't tell others what they must do, be it for nine months or 19 yrs.

Where did tell anyone what to do?

You're an anti-choicer, you all want to stop people from having an abortion.

I would be happy with you just acknowledging that abortion was wrong.

 

[Mudda]

Not it is a parasite feeding on her, making her sick in most cases and deforming her body, then causing pain when it is ready to exit. If she is not ready and willing to let it feed for nine months, she should have the option to remove it. If she is not ready to take the risk of dying in childbirth, she should have the option to have it removed.

The only one to decide if she wants the embryo/fetus for nine month is the woman, it is her body that is being used/donated to feed and protect the fetus till it becomes a child ready to enter the world.

It is human being when it takes its first breath and cries out. If it is inside her body, it is hers to decide if she wants it or not.

If it was a tape worm or something like that feeding on her, sapping her greenery, growing larger till bits are ready to come out............ shouldn't she have the right to decide if she wants it removed?

If it is cancer, somatic mutation of her DNA, begins to grow and feed off her, shouldn't she have the right to have it removed? It is her part of her body and her human cells that have mutated.

If she is not willing to risk her life for either to grow, why should she not have the right over her on body and choice to remove it?

If she has heath issues that would be complicated by a pregnancy, why should she take the risk. It might mean her not being able to take her meds, or some deformity or death or the fetus/baby if she does continue her meds.

It is not your call, it is hers.

"An individual human life begins at conception when a sperm cell from the father fuses with an egg cell from the mother, to form a new cell, the zygote, the first embryonic stage. The zygote grows and divides into two daughter cells, each of which grows and divides into two grand-daughter cells, and this cell growth/division process continues on, over and over again. The zygote is the start of a biological continuum that automatically grows and develops, passing gradually and sequentially through the stages we call foetus, baby, child, adult, old person and ending eventually in death. The full genetic instructions to guide the development of the continuum, in interaction with its environment, are present in the zygote. Every stage along the continuum is biologically human and each point along the continuum has the full human properties appropriate to that point." Dr. William Reville, University College Cork, Ireland.

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.” Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization

“[All] organisms, however large and complex they might be as full grown, begin life as a single cell. This is true for the human being, for instance, who begins life as a fertilized ovum.” Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.” James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

“Your baby starts out as a fertilized egg…For the first six weeks, the baby is called an embryo.” Prenatal Care, US Department of Health and Human Services, Maternal and Child Health Div 1990

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.” Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.” Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association, Newsweek November 12, 1973, (p 74)

“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.” The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006. (Video)

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.” In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005 (Prenatal Development Video)

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.” DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.” Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

remove it from the mother and see how long it lives, then try to tell us it is a separate independent life and not part of the woman.

and orange seed is not an orange

At conception it is fully human and has the appropriate human traits for that stage of its human life cycle.

Are you ok with people using condoms not to get pregnant?

I think you should double wrap yours.

Too late.

 

[Mudda]

two cells is not a baby. and two cells does not live on its own.

but your analogy is one of the stupidest I've ever heard.

far more apt would be you enslaving women by turning them into incubators against their will.

like I always say, these decisions are difficult and most people are barely capable of running their own lives. they certainly shouldn't be trying to run anyone else's.

... this is particularly true of religious fanatics.

we keep telling you.... mind your own business....

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner, Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981

Most miscarriages happen naturally in the first half of a pregnancy. Is that somehow the woman's fault that an underdeveloped "person" died?
No woman should be forced to have a child if she does not want. She is not a slave.

When it is born, then you can call it a living person separate from the mother.

eggs are not chicks and chicks are not chickens

Even till a child is grown, the parents make decisions for them, they are not independent.

What next, egg and sperm that have not met are going to be classified as human life?

If "you" do not believe in abortion, don't get one. Don't tell others what they must do, be it for nine months or 19 yrs.

Where did tell anyone what to do?

You're an anti-choicer, you all want to stop people from having an abortion.

I would be happy with you just acknowledging that abortion was wrong.

In all circumstances?

 

[ding]

"An individual human life begins at conception when a sperm cell from the father fuses with an egg cell from the mother, to form a new cell, the zygote, the first embryonic stage. The zygote grows and divides into two daughter cells, each of which grows and divides into two grand-daughter cells, and this cell growth/division process continues on, over and over again. The zygote is the start of a biological continuum that automatically grows and develops, passing gradually and sequentially through the stages we call foetus, baby, child, adult, old person and ending eventually in death. The full genetic instructions to guide the development of the continuum, in interaction with its environment, are present in the zygote. Every stage along the continuum is biologically human and each point along the continuum has the full human properties appropriate to that point." Dr. William Reville, University College Cork, Ireland.

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.” Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization

“[All] organisms, however large and complex they might be as full grown, begin life as a single cell. This is true for the human being, for instance, who begins life as a fertilized ovum.” Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.” James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

“Your baby starts out as a fertilized egg…For the first six weeks, the baby is called an embryo.” Prenatal Care, US Department of Health and Human Services, Maternal and Child Health Div 1990

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.” Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.” Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association, Newsweek November 12, 1973, (p 74)

“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.” The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006. (Video)

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.” In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005 (Prenatal Development Video)

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.” DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.” Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

remove it from the mother and see how long it lives, then try to tell us it is a separate independent life and not part of the woman.

and orange seed is not an orange

At conception it is fully human and has the appropriate human traits for that stage of its human life cycle.

Are you ok with people using condoms not to get pregnant?

I think you should double wrap yours.

Too late.

My sympathies go out to them.

 

[ding]

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner, Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981

Most miscarriages happen naturally in the first half of a pregnancy. Is that somehow the woman's fault that an underdeveloped "person" died?
No woman should be forced to have a child if she does not want. She is not a slave.

When it is born, then you can call it a living person separate from the mother.

eggs are not chicks and chicks are not chickens

Even till a child is grown, the parents make decisions for them, they are not independent.

What next, egg and sperm that have not met are going to be classified as human life?

If "you" do not believe in abortion, don't get one. Don't tell others what they must do, be it for nine months or 19 yrs.

Where did tell anyone what to do?

You're an anti-choicer, you all want to stop people from having an abortion.

I would be happy with you just acknowledging that abortion was wrong.

In all circumstances?

Delay much?

 

[aris2chat]

A woman's body is hers to decide what to do with. Men don't get to make that call for them.

Sure, but the human life in her body is not her body. It is a genetically distinct new human being. It seems that you worship science until it suits your purpose to reject science.

Not it is a parasite feeding on her, making her sick in most cases and deforming her body, then causing pain when it is ready to exit. If she is not ready and willing to let it feed for nine months, she should have the option to remove it. If she is not ready to take the risk of dying in childbirth, she should have the option to have it removed.

The only one to decide if she wants the embryo/fetus for nine month is the woman, it is her body that is being used/donated to feed and protect the fetus till it becomes a child ready to enter the world.

It is human being when it takes its first breath and cries out. If it is inside her body, it is hers to decide if she wants it or not.

If it was a tape worm or something like that feeding on her, sapping her greenery, growing larger till bits are ready to come out............ shouldn't she have the right to decide if she wants it removed?

If it is cancer, somatic mutation of her DNA, begins to grow and feed off her, shouldn't she have the right to have it removed? It is her part of her body and her human cells that have mutated.

If she is not willing to risk her life for either to grow, why should she not have the right over her on body and choice to remove it?

If she has heath issues that would be complicated by a pregnancy, why should she take the risk. It might mean her not being able to take her meds, or some deformity or death or the fetus/baby if she does continue her meds.

It is not your call, it is hers.

"An individual human life begins at conception when a sperm cell from the father fuses with an egg cell from the mother, to form a new cell, the zygote, the first embryonic stage. The zygote grows and divides into two daughter cells, each of which grows and divides into two grand-daughter cells, and this cell growth/division process continues on, over and over again. The zygote is the start of a biological continuum that automatically grows and develops, passing gradually and sequentially through the stages we call foetus, baby, child, adult, old person and ending eventually in death. The full genetic instructions to guide the development of the continuum, in interaction with its environment, are present in the zygote. Every stage along the continuum is biologically human and each point along the continuum has the full human properties appropriate to that point." Dr. William Reville, University College Cork, Ireland.

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.” Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization

“[All] organisms, however large and complex they might be as full grown, begin life as a single cell. This is true for the human being, for instance, who begins life as a fertilized ovum.” Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.” James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

“Your baby starts out as a fertilized egg…For the first six weeks, the baby is called an embryo.” Prenatal Care, US Department of Health and Human Services, Maternal and Child Health Div 1990

“….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.” Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

“Human life begins when the ovum is fertilized and the new combined cell mass begins to divide.” Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association, Newsweek November 12, 1973, (p 74)

“Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.” The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006. (Video)

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.” In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005 (Prenatal Development Video)

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.” DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.” Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

remove it from the mother and see how long it lives, then try to tell us it is a separate independent life and not part of the woman.

and orange seed is not an orange

At conception it is fully human and has the appropriate human traits for that stage of its human life cycle.

it looks more like a tadpole than human. eyes half the size of the head, no arms, a long tail..........

 

[aris2chat]

two cells is not a baby. and two cells does not live on its own.

but your analogy is one of the stupidest I've ever heard.

far more apt would be you enslaving women by turning them into incubators against their will.

like I always say, these decisions are difficult and most people are barely capable of running their own lives. they certainly shouldn't be trying to run anyone else's.

... this is particularly true of religious fanatics.

we keep telling you.... mind your own business....

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner, Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981

Most miscarriages happen naturally in the first half of a pregnancy. Is that somehow the woman's fault that an underdeveloped "person" died?
No woman should be forced to have a child if she does not want. She is not a slave.

When it is born, then you can call it a living person separate from the mother.

eggs are not chicks and chicks are not chickens

Even till a child is grown, the parents make decisions for them, they are not independent.

What next, egg and sperm that have not met are going to be classified as human life?

If "you" do not believe in abortion, don't get one. Don't tell others what they must do, be it for nine months or 19 yrs.

Where did tell anyone what to do?

You're an anti-choicer, you all want to stop people from having an abortion.

I would be happy with you just acknowledging that abortion was wrong.

yet they are legal, so you are wrong

 

[Mudda]

remove it from the mother and see how long it lives, then try to tell us it is a separate independent life and not part of the woman.

and orange seed is not an orange

At conception it is fully human and has the appropriate human traits for that stage of its human life cycle.

Are you ok with people using condoms not to get pregnant?

I think you should double wrap yours.

Too late.

My sympathies go out to them.

At least you're ok with condoms that's what counts.