About this wall

[ABikerSailor]

Well, it’s a matter of definition now, isn’t it? This wall was built by a communist dictatorship. In to the west or out from the east?

It’s pretty obvious today. But no free democratic country was advocating for that wall to be built.

It was “sold” as a protective measure by those who built it.

Point here is that e v e n if a wall serve a purpose you have to take in to account the signal it sends. And then weight it’s practical value to that.

It was built to stop East Germans from escaping to freedom.
No one, other than a few idiots, wanted to go from freedom to communist slavery.

Alright.
I don’t know if this is worth it.

The wall served a purpose. Pretty obvious too. But it wasn’t presented as that, get it? They didn’t tell East Germans that they would be kept inside. They said this wall was - protection.

We know history. It’s not that. The wall went to pure symbolic action- it was all it did. The number of people, the drama, suffering is utterly marginal. That wall had no effect at all on a grand scale, order than that of symbol. An iron curtain.

The wall served a purpose.

It kept Germans enslaved under Communism.

But it wasn’t presented as that, get it?

I get it, Commies couldn't admit that the people didn't want communism.

they didn’t tell East Germans that they would be kept inside

They didn't have to tell them they'd be kept inside, they just built the wall to KEEP them inside.

The wall went to pure symbolic action- it was all it did.

Before the Wall was built, 20% of the East German population, about 3.5 million people, had fled.

I knew you wouldn’t get it.

I got your idiocy the moment I saw it.
Only idiots believe the Berlin Wall was built to keep westerners out.

Yeah, because a lot of the guard towers had their guns pointing INTO the country.

And, then there's that little fact that many people died trying to cross the no mans land just before the wall.

You're right, only an idiot would think that E. Germany made the wall to keep people out. They built it to keep people IN.

I mean, why would you construct a wall with a death strip if it was to keep people out?

Berlin Wall - Wikipedia

The Berlin Wall was more than 140 kilometres (87 mi) long. In June 1962, a second, parallel fence was built some 100 metres (110 yd) farther into East German territory. The houses contained between the fences were razed and the inhabitants relocated, thus establishing what later became known as the death strip. The death strip was covered with raked sand or gravel, rendering footprints easy to notice, easing the detection of trespassers and also enabling officers to see which guards had neglected their task;[71] it offered no cover; and, most importantly, it offered clear fields of fire for the Wall guards.

Through the years, the Berlin Wall evolved through four versions:[72]

• Wire fence and concrete block wall (1961)
• Improved wire fence (1962–1965)
• Improved concrete wall (1965–1975)
• Grenzmauer 75 (Border Wall 75) (1975–1989)

The "fourth-generation Wall", known officially as "Stützwandelement UL 12.11" (retaining wall element UL 12.11), was the final and most sophisticated version of the Wall. Begun in 1975[73] and completed about 1980,[74] it was constructed from 45,000 separate sections of reinforced concrete, each 3.6 metres (12 ft) high and 1.2 metres (3.9 ft) wide, and cost DDM16,155,000 or about US$3,638,000.[75] The concrete provisions added to this version of the Wall were done to prevent escapees from driving their cars through the barricades.[76] At strategic points, the Wall was constructed to a somewhat weaker standard, so that East German and Soviet armored vehicles could easily break through in the event of war.[76]

The top of the wall was lined with a smooth pipe, intended to make it more difficult to scale. The Wall was reinforced by mesh fencing, signal fencing, anti-vehicle trenches, barbed wire, dogs on long lines, "beds of nails" (also known as "Stalin's Carpet") under balconies hanging over the "death strip", over 116 watchtowers,[77] and 20 bunkers with hundreds of guards. This version of the Wall is the one most commonly seen in photographs, and surviving fragments of the Wall in Berlin and elsewhere around the world are generally pieces of the fourth-generation Wall. The layout came to resemble the inner German border in most technical aspects, except that the Berlin Wall had no landmines nor spring-guns.[71] Maintenance was performed on the outside of the wall by personnel who accessed the area outside it either via ladders or via hidden doors within the wall.[78] These doors could not be opened by a single person, needing two separate keys in two separate keyholes to unlock.[79]

 

[ErikViking]

Purpose of the Berlin Wall was to keep people out. Their leaders told them so.

I’m not really arguing immigration as a concept, just that this wall is such a big issue. It has become more a symbol of a something than something really needed.

Walls have generally two fundamentally different purposes: either a siege defence installation or means to keep people under control. It does, however, send a pretty strong signal either way. I just think that this proposed wall is more about the signal than that of real practical value.

Purpose of the Berlin Wall was to keep people out. Their leaders told them so.

How many were sneaking in versus sneaking out?

Well, it’s a matter of definition now, isn’t it? This wall was built by a communist dictatorship. In to the west or out from the east?

It’s pretty obvious today. But no free democratic country was advocating for that wall to be built.

It was “sold” as a protective measure by those who built it.

Point here is that e v e n if a wall serve a purpose you have to take in to account the signal it sends. And then weight it’s practical value to that.

It was built to stop East Germans from escaping to freedom.
No one, other than a few idiots, wanted to go from freedom to communist slavery.

Alright.
I don’t know if this is worth it.

The wall served a purpose. Pretty obvious too. But it wasn’t presented as that, get it? They didn’t tell East Germans that they would be kept inside. They said this wall was - protection.

We know history. It’s not that. The wall went to pure symbolic action- it was all it did. The number of people, the drama, suffering is utterly marginal. That wall had no effect at all on a grand scale, order than that of symbol. An iron curtain.

Tell that to the E. Germans who died trying to cross it. Walls work, commies, not so much.

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That wall - tearing it down, symbolically ended the Cold War. You know I am right. The wall it self was not more than a local Phenomena. Utterly disgraceful and tragic. But what it represented was much more.

 

[ErikViking]

Well, it’s a matter of definition now, isn’t it? This wall was built by a communist dictatorship. In to the west or out from the east?

It’s pretty obvious today. But no free democratic country was advocating for that wall to be built.

It was “sold” as a protective measure by those who built it.

Point here is that e v e n if a wall serve a purpose you have to take in to account the signal it sends. And then weight it’s practical value to that.

It was built to stop East Germans from escaping to freedom.
No one, other than a few idiots, wanted to go from freedom to communist slavery.

Alright.
I don’t know if this is worth it.

The wall served a purpose. Pretty obvious too. But it wasn’t presented as that, get it? They didn’t tell East Germans that they would be kept inside. They said this wall was - protection.

We know history. It’s not that. The wall went to pure symbolic action- it was all it did. The number of people, the drama, suffering is utterly marginal. That wall had no effect at all on a grand scale, order than that of symbol. An iron curtain.

The wall served a purpose.

It kept Germans enslaved under Communism.

But it wasn’t presented as that, get it?

I get it, Commies couldn't admit that the people didn't want communism.

they didn’t tell East Germans that they would be kept inside

They didn't have to tell them they'd be kept inside, they just built the wall to KEEP them inside.

The wall went to pure symbolic action- it was all it did.

Before the Wall was built, 20% of the East German population, about 3.5 million people, had fled.

I knew you wouldn’t get it.

I got your idiocy the moment I saw it.
Only idiots believe the Berlin Wall was built to keep westerners out.

I’m sorry - you are not getting the point at all.

 

[basquebromance]

"in 2014 our government spent: -Swedish massages for rabbits ($387,000) -Subsidizing Alpaca Poop ($50,000) -Studying the gambling habits of monkeys ($171,000) Yet we can’t find the funding to protect our border with a wall"

 

[ErikViking]

It was built to stop East Germans from escaping to freedom.
No one, other than a few idiots, wanted to go from freedom to communist slavery.

Alright.
I don’t know if this is worth it.

The wall served a purpose. Pretty obvious too. But it wasn’t presented as that, get it? They didn’t tell East Germans that they would be kept inside. They said this wall was - protection.

We know history. It’s not that. The wall went to pure symbolic action- it was all it did. The number of people, the drama, suffering is utterly marginal. That wall had no effect at all on a grand scale, order than that of symbol. An iron curtain.

The wall served a purpose.

It kept Germans enslaved under Communism.

But it wasn’t presented as that, get it?

I get it, Commies couldn't admit that the people didn't want communism.

they didn’t tell East Germans that they would be kept inside

They didn't have to tell them they'd be kept inside, they just built the wall to KEEP them inside.

The wall went to pure symbolic action- it was all it did.

Before the Wall was built, 20% of the East German population, about 3.5 million people, had fled.

I knew you wouldn’t get it.

I got your idiocy the moment I saw it.
Only idiots believe the Berlin Wall was built to keep westerners out.

Yeah, because a lot of the guard towers had their guns pointing INTO the country.

And, then there's that little fact that many people died trying to cross the no mans land just before the wall.

You're right, only an idiot would think that E. Germany made the wall to keep people out. They built it to keep people IN.

Perhaps I thought it was too obvious. Yes. We know that. But the only official reason given for the construction of the wall was - protection. Nothing more.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

"Nobody has the intention of building a wall." - GDR head of state Walter Ulbricht, East Berlin, June 15th 1961


A few month later, in August 1961 he thanked the labour force for erecting this wall.


It’s purpose; protecting eastern Germany from western spies, insurgents and intrusion of undesirable elements.


A wall is always going to have two sides. Perhaps the actual, acute need for a wall, in reality, isn’t that desperate? More like a political trophy of some kind?

The wall is functional and it tells the world that America is a sovereign country with the right to control its border crossings.

Sweden has already been lost because they failed to defend their culture.

Liberals are COWARDS

 

[ErikViking]

"in 2014 our government spent: -Swedish massages for rabbits ($387,000) -Subsidizing Alpaca Poop ($50,000) -Studying the gambling habits of monkeys ($171,000) Yet we can’t find the funding to protect our border with a wall"

Or perhaps you just don’t really want that blunt object to cope with the relationship with your neighboring countries.

 

[OKTexas]

"Nobody has the intention of building a wall." - GDR head of state Walter Ulbricht, East Berlin, June 15th 1961


A few month later, in August 1961 he thanked the labour force for erecting this wall.


It’s purpose; protecting eastern Germany from western spies, insurgents and intrusion of undesirable elements.


A wall is always going to have two sides. Perhaps the actual, acute need for a wall, in reality, isn’t that desperate? More like a political trophy of some kind?

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So sorry!

Your link doesn't support your claim the wall was to keep the bad element out. That was a new one on me.

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[kyzr]

Trump promised us a wall, and he knows how important it is to keep voters motivated. DHS wants the wall. In video clips we see how it does stop all but the most athletic climbers. If you saw the 6,000 member caravans going to Tijuana to get into the US any way they can, you'd know that the new wall is really needed. We can't afford open borders.

Ain't gonna stop athletic tunnelers and swimmers.

The coyotes who help migrants cross into remote areas of Arizona and Texas will starting charging $5000 to go through a tunnel instead of crossing a desert. And the the drug cartels will build the tunnels because they need them to move drugs into the U.S.

A better solution would be something along the lines of the Marshall Plan: Instead of spending billions to build "steel slats" as Duh Donald now calls it, use the money to get crime and the cartels under control IN country, in Central America. Fucking A, if we can invade Iraq and Afghanistan, we can sure as hell send troops into Honduras and Guatemala and help the people of those countries STAY home instead of fleeing crime and coercion and worse.

A slat wall and enforcing e-verify would be cheaper than a Marshal Plan. We want good jobs here, not in Guatemala and Honduras. Besides, who wants the "plato o plomo" decision when that much largess is at stake. I'm a "good fences make good neighbors" kind of guy.

You don't understand just how much the final cost of the wall is going to be.

It's estimated for a final cost up to $70B according to ...Fox Noise: Trump's border wall -- how much it will actually cost according to a statistician

And guess what idiot? The misery and murders in Central America will continue and expand and then guess who's going to have to go in and fix it because they're going to start using tunnels and boats to get here?

You have never known desperation and fear for your life, you lily-livered pussy.

So you think a fucking fence is going to fix the problem.

The wall costs what is appropriated, not more and not less. It's only needed in certain high traffic areas, not in the middle of the deserts.
Who cares what murders happen in south and central America? That is not our problem, and we will never go there to "fix" it. We can find and close their tunnels, and sink their boats. We have better boats with guns.
Yes a fence will help fix the problem, the same way it stopped the caravans.
The Wall – Interactive map exploring U.S.-Mexico border
You're right I don't fear for my life, I carry, sweetie.

 

[ErikViking]

"Nobody has the intention of building a wall." - GDR head of state Walter Ulbricht, East Berlin, June 15th 1961


A few month later, in August 1961 he thanked the labour force for erecting this wall.


It’s purpose; protecting eastern Germany from western spies, insurgents and intrusion of undesirable elements.


A wall is always going to have two sides. Perhaps the actual, acute need for a wall, in reality, isn’t that desperate? More like a political trophy of some kind?

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So sorry!

Your link doesn't support your claim the wall was to keep the bad element out. That was a new one on me.

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Okay, I’m sure I can find it, but seriously - you seems smart. Of course the East German dictatorship didn’t present the wall as a prison, they lied and had it to represent protection. I just talked about the wall from it’s builders stand point.

 

[OKTexas]

Why oh why dew DemonRats want illegal rats stealing into this country? The fucking Berlin Wall kept people in! Escaping was hard. How many DemonRats want to escape the USA?

Purpose of the Berlin Wall was to keep people out. Their leaders told them so.

I’m not really arguing immigration as a concept, just that this wall is such a big issue. It has become more a symbol of a something than something really needed.

Walls have generally two fundamentally different purposes: either a siege defence installation or means to keep people under control. It does, however, send a pretty strong signal either way. I just think that this proposed wall is more about the signal than that of real practical value.

Purpose of the Berlin Wall was to keep people out. Their leaders told them so.

How many were sneaking in versus sneaking out?

Well, it’s a matter of definition now, isn’t it? This wall was built by a communist dictatorship. In to the west or out from the east?

It’s pretty obvious today. But no free democratic country was advocating for that wall to be built.

It was “sold” as a protective measure by those who built it.

Point here is that e v e n if a wall serve a purpose you have to take in to account the signal it sends. And then weight it’s practical value to that.

Dozens of border walls have been built in this world, and the only one you douchebags focus on is the Berlin wall. You're obviously not interested in objectivity. You're just spewing propaganda.

Even the Berlin wall was effective. Proves our commie regressives liars.

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[Mikeoxenormous]

Alright.
I don’t know if this is worth it.

The wall served a purpose. Pretty obvious too. But it wasn’t presented as that, get it? They didn’t tell East Germans that they would be kept inside. They said this wall was - protection.

We know history. It’s not that. The wall went to pure symbolic action- it was all it did. The number of people, the drama, suffering is utterly marginal. That wall had no effect at all on a grand scale, order than that of symbol. An iron curtain.

The wall served a purpose.

It kept Germans enslaved under Communism.

But it wasn’t presented as that, get it?

I get it, Commies couldn't admit that the people didn't want communism.

they didn’t tell East Germans that they would be kept inside

They didn't have to tell them they'd be kept inside, they just built the wall to KEEP them inside.

The wall went to pure symbolic action- it was all it did.

Before the Wall was built, 20% of the East German population, about 3.5 million people, had fled.

I knew you wouldn’t get it.

I got your idiocy the moment I saw it.
Only idiots believe the Berlin Wall was built to keep westerners out.

Yeah, because a lot of the guard towers had their guns pointing INTO the country.

And, then there's that little fact that many people died trying to cross the no mans land just before the wall.

You're right, only an idiot would think that E. Germany made the wall to keep people out. They built it to keep people IN.

Perhaps I thought it was too obvious. Yes. We know that. But the only official reason given for the construction of the wall was - protection. Nothing more.

You are so full of propaganda shit...

 

[ErikViking]

Why oh why dew DemonRats want illegal rats stealing into this country? The fucking Berlin Wall kept people in! Escaping was hard. How many DemonRats want to escape the USA?

Purpose of the Berlin Wall was to keep people out. Their leaders told them so.

I’m not really arguing immigration as a concept, just that this wall is such a big issue. It has become more a symbol of a something than something really needed.

Walls have generally two fundamentally different purposes: either a siege defence installation or means to keep people under control. It does, however, send a pretty strong signal either way. I just think that this proposed wall is more about the signal than that of real practical value.

Purpose of the Berlin Wall was to keep people out. Their leaders told them so.

How many were sneaking in versus sneaking out?

Well, it’s a matter of definition now, isn’t it? This wall was built by a communist dictatorship. In to the west or out from the east?

It’s pretty obvious today. But no free democratic country was advocating for that wall to be built.

It was “sold” as a protective measure by those who built it.

Point here is that e v e n if a wall serve a purpose you have to take in to account the signal it sends. And then weight it’s practical value to that.

Dozens of border walls have been built in this world, and the only one you douchebags focus on is the Berlin wall. You're obviously not interested in objectivity. You're just spewing propaganda.

Even the Berlin wall was effective. Proves our commie regressives liars.

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Effective locally. The Berlin Wall didn’t keep nuclear submarines from the Bering stretch or the ICBM looming over us. But it sent a clear political message.

Reagan demanded that wall to be teared down. The US president brought up a wall, surrounding half a city in no mans land - of no strategic value - to end the cold war.

How shall I put it? That wall didn’t really serve it’s master well.

 

[OKTexas]

Trump promised us a wall, and he knows how important it is to keep voters motivated. DHS wants the wall. In video clips we see how it does stop all but the most athletic climbers. If you saw the 6,000 member caravans going to Tijuana to get into the US any way they can, you'd know that the new wall is really needed. We can't afford open borders.

Ain't gonna stop athletic tunnelers and swimmers.

The coyotes who help migrants cross into remote areas of Arizona and Texas will starting charging $5000 to go through a tunnel instead of crossing a desert. And the the drug cartels will build the tunnels because they need them to move drugs into the U.S.

A better solution would be something along the lines of the Marshall Plan: Instead of spending billions to build "steel slats" as Duh Donald now calls it, use the money to get crime and the cartels under control IN country, in Central America. Fucking A, if we can invade Iraq and Afghanistan, we can sure as hell send troops into Honduras and Guatemala and help the people of those countries STAY home instead of fleeing crime and coercion and worse.

A slat wall and enforcing e-verify would be cheaper than a Marshal Plan. We want good jobs here, not in Guatemala and Honduras. Besides, who wants the "plato o plomo" decision when that much largess is at stake. I'm a "good fences make good neighbors" kind of guy.

You don't understand just how much the final cost of the wall is going to be.

It's estimated for a final cost up to $70B according to ...Fox Noise: Trump's border wall -- how much it will actually cost according to a statistician

And guess what idiot? The misery and murders in Central America will continue and expand and then guess who's going to have to go in and fix it because they're going to start using tunnels and boats to get here?

You have never known desperation and fear for your life, you lily-livered pussy.

So you think a fucking fence is going to fix the problem.

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So you're admitting the wall will work and force the illegals to use alternative methods to try to get here. BTW even the 70 billion is less than illegals are costing us every year.

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[Mikeoxenormous]

Purpose of the Berlin Wall was to keep people out. Their leaders told them so.

I’m not really arguing immigration as a concept, just that this wall is such a big issue. It has become more a symbol of a something than something really needed.

Walls have generally two fundamentally different purposes: either a siege defence installation or means to keep people under control. It does, however, send a pretty strong signal either way. I just think that this proposed wall is more about the signal than that of real practical value.

Purpose of the Berlin Wall was to keep people out. Their leaders told them so.

How many were sneaking in versus sneaking out?

Well, it’s a matter of definition now, isn’t it? This wall was built by a communist dictatorship. In to the west or out from the east?

It’s pretty obvious today. But no free democratic country was advocating for that wall to be built.

It was “sold” as a protective measure by those who built it.

Point here is that e v e n if a wall serve a purpose you have to take in to account the signal it sends. And then weight it’s practical value to that.

Dozens of border walls have been built in this world, and the only one you douchebags focus on is the Berlin wall. You're obviously not interested in objectivity. You're just spewing propaganda.

Even the Berlin wall was effective. Proves our commie regressives liars.

.

Effective locally. The Berlin Wall didn’t keep nuclear submarines from the Bering stretch or the ICBM looming over us. But it sent a clear political message.

Reagan demanded that wall to be teared down. The US president brought up a wall, surrounding half a city in no mans land - of no strategic value - to end the cold war.

How shall I put it? That wall didn’t really serve it’s master well.

Teared down?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Purpose of the Berlin Wall was to keep people out. Their leaders told them so.

I’m not really arguing immigration as a concept, just that this wall is such a big issue. It has become more a symbol of a something than something really needed.

Walls have generally two fundamentally different purposes: either a siege defence installation or means to keep people under control. It does, however, send a pretty strong signal either way. I just think that this proposed wall is more about the signal than that of real practical value.

Purpose of the Berlin Wall was to keep people out. Their leaders told them so.

How many were sneaking in versus sneaking out?

Well, it’s a matter of definition now, isn’t it? This wall was built by a communist dictatorship. In to the west or out from the east?

It’s pretty obvious today. But no free democratic country was advocating for that wall to be built.

It was “sold” as a protective measure by those who built it.

Point here is that e v e n if a wall serve a purpose you have to take in to account the signal it sends. And then weight it’s practical value to that.

Dozens of border walls have been built in this world, and the only one you douchebags focus on is the Berlin wall. You're obviously not interested in objectivity. You're just spewing propaganda.

Even the Berlin wall was effective. Proves our commie regressives liars.

.

Effective locally. The Berlin Wall didn’t keep nuclear submarines from the Bering stretch or the ICBM looming over us. But it sent a clear political message.

Reagan demanded that wall to be teared down. The US president brought up a wall, surrounding half a city in no mans land - of no strategic value - to end the cold war.

How shall I put it? That wall didn’t really serve it’s master well.

So Obozo building a brick wall around his million dollar house in Georgetown(very rich neighborhood of white people) District of Columbia, isnt going to keep people out?
UPDATE: Wall around Obama's DC home complete! - The American Mirror

 

[bullwinkle]

Trump promised us a wall, and he knows how important it is to keep voters motivated. DHS wants the wall. In video clips we see how it does stop all but the most athletic climbers. If you saw the 6,000 member caravans going to Tijuana to get into the US any way they can, you'd know that the new wall is really needed. We can't afford open borders.

You are citing only half of Thrump's promise of a wall. When he asked who will pay for the wall, what did you shout? And when he asked again, what did you shout even louder? And when, like an old time sawdust floored tent preacher, he primed you a third time, what did you screech at the top of your lungs? THAT's the half of the promise you seem to now think is not worth remembering...the lie part!

 

[OKTexas]

Trump promised us a wall, and he knows how important it is to keep voters motivated. DHS wants the wall. In video clips we see how it does stop all but the most athletic climbers. If you saw the 6,000 member caravans going to Tijuana to get into the US any way they can, you'd know that the new wall is really needed. We can't afford open borders.

He promised Mexico would pay for it . Y’all keep ignoring that major fact .

Trump can get Mexico to pay for it by implementing a tax on "remittances" when foreigners send money out of the US to their home country. We need that money spent here creating jobs and paying taxes. So a small tax can be easily justified. It won't only pay for the wall, but for foreign aid as well.

Screw it, let the whole damn world pay for it, by a fee in visas. $30.00 per head times 45 million a year, it wouldn't take long to pay for all border security.

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Is this really about money?

Shit don't build itself. The fees can be used to fund an effective visa tracking system as well. That would address the other 40% of illegals.

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[ErikViking]

Trump promised us a wall, and he knows how important it is to keep voters motivated. DHS wants the wall. In video clips we see how it does stop all but the most athletic climbers. If you saw the 6,000 member caravans going to Tijuana to get into the US any way they can, you'd know that the new wall is really needed. We can't afford open borders.

Ain't gonna stop athletic tunnelers and swimmers.

The coyotes who help migrants cross into remote areas of Arizona and Texas will starting charging $5000 to go through a tunnel instead of crossing a desert. And the the drug cartels will build the tunnels because they need them to move drugs into the U.S.

A better solution would be something along the lines of the Marshall Plan: Instead of spending billions to build "steel slats" as Duh Donald now calls it, use the money to get crime and the cartels under control IN country, in Central America. Fucking A, if we can invade Iraq and Afghanistan, we can sure as hell send troops into Honduras and Guatemala and help the people of those countries STAY home instead of fleeing crime and coercion and worse.

A slat wall and enforcing e-verify would be cheaper than a Marshal Plan. We want good jobs here, not in Guatemala and Honduras. Besides, who wants the "plato o plomo" decision when that much largess is at stake. I'm a "good fences make good neighbors" kind of guy.

You don't understand just how much the final cost of the wall is going to be.

It's estimated for a final cost up to $70B according to ...Fox Noise: Trump's border wall -- how much it will actually cost according to a statistician

And guess what idiot? The misery and murders in Central America will continue and expand and then guess who's going to have to go in and fix it because they're going to start using tunnels and boats to get here?

You have never known desperation and fear for your life, you lily-livered pussy.

So you think a fucking fence is going to fix the problem.

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So you're admitting the wall will work and force the illegals to use alternative methods to try to get here. BTW even the 70 billion is less than illegals are costing us every year.

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No idea about those numbers - but let’s say it does. Then perhaps the wall should be constructed. But it seems right now to be very exaggerated (the stress, like n o w before Christmas). Right now it seems to be more of a symbol than that of practical value.

 

[OKTexas]

You guys keep saying that a wall is gonna stop everyone from coming in.

Hate to tell you, but there are already many tunnels under the border, and even when they are found and filled in, the cartels just dig more.

That's why seismic sensors are part of the package. Plus tunnels are expensive and limit traffic.

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