FredVonFlash
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rtwngAvngr said:No. Open your damn eyes, monkeynut.
I read you to say you have no real evidence.
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rtwngAvngr said:No. Open your damn eyes, monkeynut.
FredVonFlash said:I read you to say you have no real evidence.
FVF
FredVonFlash said:I am a lawyer and a liberal and damn proud of both.
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FredVonFlash said:What is a liberal? What talking points?
Fred
rtwngAvngr said:You mean the various and sundry enemies of america and freedom? Talmudocorrupted jews, communists, and islamofascists?
FredVonFlash said:God has not imposed the duty for me to come here and post what ever I want. However, he has imposed a duty that I pray according to the dictates of my conscience and convictions. For any man to advise me regarding matters where I am forbidden to follow or even to consider his advice is a sin against God; and it is disrespectful of my duty to God; and it is an infringment upon my right to follow only the dictates of my conscience.
If you prayed for the victims of 9/11 or Katrina because the government advised you to so, your prayers went to the Devil, not to God. Asking someone to pray implies a duty to do so.
The President should ask us to pray only if he believes God directs him to do so and he makes that very clear when he makes the request. He should say something like this: "I speak to you now - not as your President - but as a civilian with no civil authority or power whatsover. God has told me to ask you to pray and I now ask you to pray for ...." (that I be impeached, convicted and removed from office for being a liar and sorry pathetic excuse for a human being
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FredVonFlash said:What is a liberal? What talking points?
Fred
FredVonFlash said:The people I represent find me extremely useful.
FredVonFlash said:In matters of government authority over religion, James Madison and Thomas Jefferson saw no difference between a government recommendation and a command, and neither do I, nor should any Christian Patriot.
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FredVonFlash said:I read you to say you have no real evidence.
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Jimmyeatworld said:You say you are a Liberal and then have to ask what a Liberal is...You tell us, Fred. What is a Liberal?
Jimmyeatworld said:And can you honestly say you have represented them with the same trust in God you claim you have? If God were in the courtroom, would you be able to use all the arguments you have used for these clients and not offend God?
FredVonFlash said:Ya got me there Slick...I just said it to piss you off.
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Pale Rider said:So I wasn't the only one you "just wanted to piss off".
Well, your true colors are known to all now. You're just a smartass, liberal quack, here to piss people off.
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rtwngAvngr said:FredVonFelch, do ALL liberals consider Baptists to be as enlightened as you consider them?
FredVonFlash said:How would I know?
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FredVonFlash said:Here is something you may find interesting.
Baptist Ministers Wanted Absolute Separation of Church and State In The Alabama Constitutional Convention of 1901
Petition from the Baptist Ministers Institute at Anniston, to the Alabama State Constitutional Convention:
Anniston, Ala., June 28th, 1901.
Whereas, The doctrine of soul liberty, not only for themselves, but for all men everywhere has been one of the fundamental principles of the Baptist people throughout their entire history, a doctrine for the establishment and maintenance of which our father, spared neither their property nor their lives : and,
Whereas, The actual membership of the white Baptist Churches in Alabama amounts to more than one hundred and thirty thousand (130,000) souls, representing not less than one half of the white family life in the State; and,
Whereas, Many other citizens in Alabama of all faiths and of no religious connection, believe in the above mentioned principle of complete separation between the church and State; and,
Whereas, If instead of this vast number, only a few of the people should claim the right of absolute religious freedom, they would still be entitled to its blessings, therefore be it
Resolved, by the Baptist Ministers' Institute, now in session at Anniston, Ala., that in the name of all parties concerned we do now most earnestly and respectfully petition the honorable members of the Alabama State Constitutional Convention, now recasting the organic laws of our State, to make the clause guaranteeing freedom of religion and the absolute separation of church and State, so clear that it will be impossible for any to misunderstand its provisions, and that public funds cannot under any circumstances be appropriated to any kind of ecclesiastical institution, thereby infringing on the rights and violating the conscience of a free people.
Resolved, further, That a committee consisting of L. O. Dawson, Charles A. Stakely and W. B. Crumpton, be appointed by this Institute to forward these resolutions to the Convention now in session at Montgomery, with the assurance that sincere prayer is made to God by the ministers in attendance upon the Institute in behalf of the members of the Convention that they may be divinely guided both individually and collectively, in the great and important task of framing a new Constitution for our beloved State.
Referred to the Committee on Legislative Department.
http://www.legislature.state.al.us/.../proceedings/1901_proceedings_vol1/day44.html
gop_jeff said:See the underlined paragraph. Apparently, the Alabama Baptists wanted to ensure that no money was ever given from the government to a church or other ecclesiastical organization. That was their definition of "separation of church and state." No one has any problems with that. The problems arise when organizations start to say things like 'There's a cross in the city seal, the cross is a Christian symbol, so the city obviously endorses Christianity over other religions - SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!' Such statements go far beyond what Madison, Jefferson, or even the Baptists Minister's Institute called for.