Nuc
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FredVonFlash said:Is that why they established a separation of church and state?
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No they did that because they were smart. Perhaps they envisioned a time when Christianity would no longer be dominant.
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FredVonFlash said:Is that why they established a separation of church and state?
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FredVonFlash said:It yet remains a problem to be solved in human affairs, whether any free government can be permanent, where the public worship of God, and the support of religion, constitute no part of the policy or duty of the state in any assignable shape. The future experience of Christendom, and chiefly of the American states, must settle this problem, as yet new in the history of the world, abundant, as it has been, in experiments in the theory of government.
Jimmyeatworld said:Probably at the time of the adoption of the constitution, and of the amendment to it, now under consideration, the general, if not the universal, sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the state, so far as it is not incompatible with the private rights of conscience, and the freedom of religious worship. An attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indifference, would have created universal disapprobation, if not universal indignation.
Ya gotta read the whole thing...
Nuc said:No they did that because they were smart. Perhaps they envisioned a time when Christianity would no longer be dominant.
FredVonFlash said:Please give some examples of what you believe was a part that Christianity played in the conception of American, so that I know exactly what you mean.
FredVonFlash said:Is that why they established a separation of church and state?
Pale Rider said:I've already done that on this board, more than once.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30006
Since you're new here, why don't we start with this...
Pale Rider said:Why don't you tell us what this "separation of church and state" is. Show me what that is.
FredVonFlash said:Fair enough. The first one you presented was the bogus prayer journal that the experts say is not in George Washington's handwriting. Is that the best you have?
James Madison said it is the exemption of the duty that owe to our Creator from the authority of the government.
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Pale Rider said:Bogus? You call religous quotes from our founding fathers bogus? Whatever... argue with yourself then. B'bye.
FredVonFlash said:The George Washington Prayer Journal is as bogus as Bush is honest. What else ya got Slick?
Let us leave prayer to be prompted by the devotion of the heart, and not to the bidding of the State. Quess who said that.
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Pale Rider said:Slick? "IS THAT THE BEST YOU GOT"?
I was the only one here that even gave you the time of day, and you come back with your smartass little liberal Bush bashing cake hole?
Put the magazine down, stop rubbing your johnson and get a fucking education and then a job. At thirty three you shouldn't be living with mommy and daddy anymore.
Fucking moron.
FredVonFlash said:How did Joe Story propose that the State encourage Christianity without infringing upon the private rights of conscience and the freedom of religious worship?
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FredVonFlash said:They established a separation of church and state because that's what Jesus said to do.
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Jimmyeatworld said:I can encourage someone to go to my church, but I don't show up at their door Sunday morning and drag them there.
Jimmyeatworld said:They established freedom of religion because of the way society was in England and through most of Europe at the time. The founding fathers did not establish what you and many others consider seperation of church and state today.
FredVonFlash said:Why do you encourge someone to go to your church and is it permissible for the government to do the same?
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FredVonFlash said:What was the fundamental principle of the freedom of religion the founders established; and how is it different from what I and many others consider separation of church and state today.
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Jimmyeatworld said:If I like my church and want to share the experience with someone, or if I think the experience would be good for them, I would encourage them to go.
As far as the government, you missed the point. It wasn't a specific example of going to a specific church, or anything to do with the government. Just an example of how there can be encouragement without requiring someone to do something. Nevertheless, I see nothing wrong or unconstitutional for the government to encourage participation in religion, or to encourage prayer.
Jimmyeatworld said:Why do you make statements and then ask people so many questions when they comment on them? Do you need your own position explained to you?
FredVonFlash said:How could the government encourage participation in religion or encourage prayer, but at the same time, not infringe upon the authority God to impose religious obligations upon an individual?
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FredVonFlash said:...and because I am trial lawyer and am in the habit of cross examining witnesses.
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