After The Fire

[PoliticalChic]

….will there be more than a pile of ashes?



1.Three millennia ago, due to the start of monotheism, humanity began to construct the ‘house’ we live in today, the palace known as Western Civilization. Genesis 1:26 suddenly made every individual special, and made the argument against slavery.
In 1215, the Magna Carta underscored the premise with this language:
“Know ye, that we, in the presence of God, and for the salvation of our soul, and the souls of all our ancestors and heirs,….”
1215: Magna Carta - Online Library of Liberty

2.We’ve built western civilization on two pillars: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
“If you believe that government has no right to intrude upon the exercise of your individual will, that you have a moral duty to be virtuous, that human beings are capable of bettering the world through the use of reason, you are a product of Jerusalem and Athens.”
Ben Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History.”





3. The Enlightenment shattered the congruence of the two aspects, science and reason replacing religion and morality. There could only be one outcome, and Dostoyevsky recognized it. He saw that reason and science were being touted as the only guides that mankind needed….and he didn’t accept same.
“Human beings are creatures that seek more than which reason and science purport to give them- and they are more than the self-interested animals reason and science seek to make them. ….freed from moral responsibility….[they] would burst forth in a conflagration that will set the whole world on fire, Dostoyevsky predicted.

God’s death, Dostoyevsky thought, was man’s death as well.”
Shapiro, Op.Cit., p.117


Between WWII and the ascendancy of socialism/communism, nearly 200 million men, women, and children perished.




4. Rather than a retrenchment in faith and religion, "The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“… the New Left shattered into a multitude of single-issue groups. We now have, to name a few, radical feminists, black extremists, animal rights groups, radical environmentalists, activist homosexual organizations, multiculturalists, organizations such as People for the American Way, the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL), the National Organization for Women (NOW), and Planned Parenthood.”
Robert H. Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 53


"Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner
...surpassing his rivals in early fundraising and establishing himself as an indisputable front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination."
Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner | RealClearPolitics


A Marxist as the Democrat standard-bearer???? Yup.





After the fire…..a pile of ashes. Real Americans are simply basking in the afterglow of a once great nation and civilization.

 

[kyzr]

The Las Vegas odds still show Biden leading, but Bernie is gaining!
Joe Biden +450
Bernie Sanders +500
Pete Buttigieg +900
Kamala Harris +1300

 

[Toronado3800]

….will there be more than a pile of ashes?



1.Three millennia ago, due to the start of monotheism, humanity began to construct the ‘house’ we live in today, the palace known as Western Civilization. Genesis 1:26 suddenly made every individual special, and made the argument against slavery.
In 1215, the Magna Carta underscored the premise with this language:
“Know ye, that we, in the presence of God, and for the salvation of our soul, and the souls of all our ancestors and heirs,….”
1215: Magna Carta - Online Library of Liberty

2.We’ve built western civilization on two pillars: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
“If you believe that government has no right to intrude upon the exercise of your individual will, that you have a moral duty to be virtuous, that human beings are capable of bettering the world through the use of reason, you are a product of Jerusalem and Athens.”
Ben Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History.”





3. The Enlightenment shattered the congruence of the two aspects, science and reason replacing religion and morality. There could only be one outcome, and Dostoyevsky recognized it. He saw that reason and science were being touted as the only guides that mankind needed….and he didn’t accept same.
“Human beings are creatures that seek more than which reason and science purport to give them- and they are more than the self-interested animals reason and science seek to make them. ….freed from moral responsibility….[they] would burst forth in a conflagration that will set the whole world on fire, Dostoyevsky predicted.

God’s death, Dostoyevsky thought, was man’s death as well.”
Shapiro, Op.Cit., p.117


Between WWII and the ascendancy of socialism/communism, nearly 200 million men, women, and children perished.




4. Rather than a retrenchment in faith and religion, "The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“… the New Left shattered into a multitude of single-issue groups. We now have, to name a few, radical feminists, black extremists, animal rights groups, radical environmentalists, activist homosexual organizations, multiculturalists, organizations such as People for the American Way, the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL), the National Organization for Women (NOW), and Planned Parenthood.”
Robert H. Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 53


"Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner
...surpassing his rivals in early fundraising and establishing himself as an indisputable front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination."
Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner | RealClearPolitics


A Marxist as the Democrat standard-bearer???? Yup.





After the fire…..a pile of ashes. Real Americans are simply basking in the afterglow of a once great nation and civilization.

Mlre devisive talk about "real Americans" and left vs right. Amazing in this world of fluid political beliefs anyone with longer than a snapshot attention span can do soo much team cheerleading.

 

[occupied]

Western civilization is built on dominance. We have all these high-sounding ideals that we pretty much ignore the moment they become inconvenient. Wholesale slaughter defines the story of western civilization. The "isms" have only ever been the ideology to get the poor fighting for the rich. It's why all truly populist movements are attacked without mercy, they break the dynamic that built all this glorious mindless consumerism we call western civilization.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What could be more appropriate for the forces of anti-civilization, than to be be led by witches.......



5. We began a journey following the paths of Moses and Jesus, and then, at some point had taken the wrong fork in the road, this one following the three witches, Freud, Marx and Darwin.

It is understandable. The Enlightenment offered science and reason in place of the more difficult path, one with personal responsibility, and ‘what is good’ could be replaced with ‘what is good for me.’ “Scientific discovery rapidly increased following the Enlightenment, with the average life expectancy in Europe in 1850 at 36.3 years old; by 1950, that number had nearly doubled, to 64.7. Life Expectancy


6. While Judeo-Christian values combined individual worth with reason and free will, Sigmund Freud denied free will, and posited a life of forced actions and neurosis based on childhood events.




Acceptance of all or any of ‘the three witches’ is based on believing lies....I'll prove this in this thread.

 

[midcan5]

Hi PC, how have you been? I see you changed your avatar, is that you? Cute. Hope all is well but I see you are beating the same dogs. Witches? I personally think Darwin has had the most influence on culture, science, and society. Freud's unconscious is interesting as we all recognize that aspect of mind but his three persons objectifies, but doesn't explain behaviors. Marx is usually misunderstood by most, but his insights deep and telling. I wonder what he would think of the control 'dark money' and social media propaganda has over citizens who assume they are free but rarely demonstrate that aspect of their lives.

"Although both love and knowledge are necessary, love is in a sense more fundamental, since it will lead intelligent people to seek knowledge, in order to find out how to benefit those whom they love. But if people are not intelligent, they will be content to believe what they have been told, and may do harm in spite of the most genuine benevolence." Bertrand Russell

 

[PoliticalChic]

….will there be more than a pile of ashes?



1.Three millennia ago, due to the start of monotheism, humanity began to construct the ‘house’ we live in today, the palace known as Western Civilization. Genesis 1:26 suddenly made every individual special, and made the argument against slavery.
In 1215, the Magna Carta underscored the premise with this language:
“Know ye, that we, in the presence of God, and for the salvation of our soul, and the souls of all our ancestors and heirs,….”
1215: Magna Carta - Online Library of Liberty

2.We’ve built western civilization on two pillars: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
“If you believe that government has no right to intrude upon the exercise of your individual will, that you have a moral duty to be virtuous, that human beings are capable of bettering the world through the use of reason, you are a product of Jerusalem and Athens.”
Ben Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History.”





3. The Enlightenment shattered the congruence of the two aspects, science and reason replacing religion and morality. There could only be one outcome, and Dostoyevsky recognized it. He saw that reason and science were being touted as the only guides that mankind needed….and he didn’t accept same.
“Human beings are creatures that seek more than which reason and science purport to give them- and they are more than the self-interested animals reason and science seek to make them. ….freed from moral responsibility….[they] would burst forth in a conflagration that will set the whole world on fire, Dostoyevsky predicted.

God’s death, Dostoyevsky thought, was man’s death as well.”
Shapiro, Op.Cit., p.117


Between WWII and the ascendancy of socialism/communism, nearly 200 million men, women, and children perished.




4. Rather than a retrenchment in faith and religion, "The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“… the New Left shattered into a multitude of single-issue groups. We now have, to name a few, radical feminists, black extremists, animal rights groups, radical environmentalists, activist homosexual organizations, multiculturalists, organizations such as People for the American Way, the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL), the National Organization for Women (NOW), and Planned Parenthood.”
Robert H. Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 53


"Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner
...surpassing his rivals in early fundraising and establishing himself as an indisputable front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination."
Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner | RealClearPolitics


A Marxist as the Democrat standard-bearer???? Yup.





After the fire…..a pile of ashes. Real Americans are simply basking in the afterglow of a once great nation and civilization.

Mlre devisive talk about "real Americans" and left vs right. Amazing in this world of fluid political beliefs anyone with longer than a snapshot attention span can do soo much team cheerleading.

Why would I wish to march shoulder to shoulder with evil????


After all, I'm not you.



Real Americans march with the Founders of this once great nation, and support their view: individualism, free markets and limited constitutional government.


The Left, which you'd rather suggest doesn't exist, champions this:
The collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

That would include Communists, Socialists, Liberals, Progressives, Nazis and Fascists.

Raise your paw.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hi PC, how have you been? I see you changed your avatar, is that you? Cute. Hope all is well but I see you are beating the same dogs. Witches? I personally think Darwin has had the most influence on culture, science, and society. Freud's unconscious is interesting as we all recognize that aspect of mind but his three persons objectifies, but doesn't explain behaviors. Marx is usually misunderstood by most, but his insights deep and telling. I wonder what he would think of the control 'dark money' and social media propaganda has over citizens who assume they are free but rarely demonstrate that aspect of their lives.

"Although both love and knowledge are necessary, love is in a sense more fundamental, since it will lead intelligent people to seek knowledge, in order to find out how to benefit those whom they love. But if people are not intelligent, they will be content to believe what they have been told, and may do harm in spite of the most genuine benevolence." Bertrand Russell

Always good to see you, middy.

Thank you for the kind words.

I hope you have the time and interest to view the entire thread.....I have about 6 posts planned.



"I personally think Darwin has had the most influence on culture, science, and society. Freud's unconscious is interesting as we all recognize that aspect of mind but his three persons objectifies, but doesn't explain behaviors. Marx is usually misunderstood by most, but his insights deep and telling."

I'll get to all of 'em...., but leave Marx, the cause of over 100 million human being slaughtered, with this:
“How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.”
~ Ronald Reagan




Be well, middy

 

[PoliticalChic]

Western civilization is built on dominance. We have all these high-sounding ideals that we pretty much ignore the moment they become inconvenient. Wholesale slaughter defines the story of western civilization. The "isms" have only ever been the ideology to get the poor fighting for the rich. It's why all truly populist movements are attacked without mercy, they break the dynamic that built all this glorious mindless consumerism we call western civilization.

If I had to single out one single reason for the dominance of Western Civilization, it would come down to this:

Science and reason tell us what we can do.....but not what we should do. This is the reason for the failure of the French, Russian, and other Leftist revolutions.
Our Western Civilization was based on reason and the Bible, specifically this:

Reason supports a lot of things, as for example, a very liberal position on abortion. If there is no God, "Love your neighbor as yourself" is just a good idea. That's why it is written, incidentally, in Leviticus, "Love your neighbor as yourself, I am God." I, God, tell you to be decent to other people.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If one needs to advance the idea of all powerful, beneficent, omniscient government will take care of all one's wants and needs, the Left's mantra, and that one need no morality nor self-responsibility, well then,....

....turn to Sigmund Freud as your spokesperson.





7. Valuable to the collectivists is Freud’s claim that people are not endowed with free will.

Here's what they don't want you to know:

“Freud was a charlatan, …He was a quack who routinely proscribed measuring to patients, then wrote fictional papers bragging about his phenomenal results. In one 1896 lecture, he claimed that by uncovering childhood sexual trauma he had healed some eighteen patients, he later admitted he hadn’t cured anyone.”
Ben Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History,” p. 166



Basing their ideas on science and reason.....is Freud 'science'?
Nope.....
Who says not?
He does.

“Freud's claims skirted falsifiability, the quality of being testable, a bedrock of the scientific method. Resistance to his lurid suggestions, he argued, meant only that he was onto something; heads I win, tails you really do want to fellate your father. He also conspired to excommunicate any analyst from the movement who dared to subject his ideas to critical scrutiny.

As Freud wrote to a close colleague, he was only "fantasizing, interpreting, and guessing" toward "bold but beautiful revelations." He claimed: "I am actually not at all a man of science, not an observer, not an experimenter, not a thinker. I am by temperament nothing but a conquistador." https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ad0011a4f70f




Freud….a pillar of Leftist doctrine.
Like Obama and Mueller.....a fraud.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The founders counted on citizens and elected officials to embrace virtues like honesty, respect, humility, and personal responsibility. The american republic was designed to encourage and depend on those citizen virtues. When honesty, respect, humility, and personal responsibility break down so does the constitutional republic.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The founders counted on citizens and elected officials to embrace virtues like honesty, respect, humility, and personal responsibility. The american republic was designed to encourage and depend on those citizen virtues. When honesty, respect, humility, and personal responsibility break down so does the constitutional republic.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams



Hence, we are basking in the afterglow of a once great nation.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The founders counted on citizens and elected officials to embrace virtues like honesty, respect, humility, and personal responsibility. The american republic was designed to encourage and depend on those citizen virtues. When honesty, respect, humility, and personal responsibility break down so does the constitutional republic.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams



Hence, we are basking in the afterglow of a once great nation.

Yes, unfortunately.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Left required a way to circumvent the idea that God created mankind........




8. Where would Leftism/Communism be without Charles Darwin???


If you were subject to the indoctrination of government schooling, you’ve probably come away believing Darwin’s theory is scientific fact. It isn't.

And Marx and Engel needed Darwin as the scientific basis for eliminating any need for religion.




“Charles Darwin’s On The Origin of Species (1859) provided the first scientific grounding in the notion of a world without God…”
Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History.”



Many, even today believe this to be proven….hence the danger of merely reading headlines. Darwin himself said he couldn’t prove it, and to this day, it has never been more than a useful theory. Darwin said that the only evidence of it would come from examining the fossil record : "... if my theory be true, numberless intermediate varieties, linking closely together all the species of the same group, must assuredly have existed; but the very process of natural selection constantly tends, as has been so often remarked, to exterminate the parent-forms and the intermediate links. Consequently evidence of their former existence could be found only amongst fossil remains ..."
Darwin, "Origin," chapter six

"To the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these assumedearliest periods prior to the Cambrian system I can give no satisfactory answer . . . Nevertheless, the difficulty of assigning any good reason for the absence of vast piles of strata rich in fossils beneath the Cambrian system is very great." Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, chapter Ten


In fact, the fossil record shows the very opposite.



Bet government school never told you that, did it.

 

[Moonglow]

What could be more appropriate for the forces of anti-civilization, than to be be led by witches.......



5. We began a journey following the paths of Moses and Jesus, and then, at some point had taken the wrong fork in the road, this one following the three witches, Freud, Marx and Darwin.

It is understandable. The Enlightenment offered science and reason in place of the more difficult path, one with personal responsibility, and ‘what is good’ could be replaced with ‘what is good for me.’ “Scientific discovery rapidly increased following the Enlightenment, with the average life expectancy in Europe in 1850 at 36.3 years old; by 1950, that number had nearly doubled, to 64.7. Life Expectancy


6. While Judeo-Christian values combined individual worth with reason and free will, Sigmund Freud denied free will, and posited a life of forced actions and neurosis based on childhood events.




Acceptance of all or any of ‘the three witches’ is based on believing lies....I'll prove this in this thread.

Invisible deity worship that does nothing for the human condition but manufacture fear and religious dogma.

 

[Moonglow]

The Left required a way to circumvent the idea that God created mankind........




8. Where would Leftism/Communism be without Charles Darwin???


If you were subject to the indoctrination of government schooling, you’ve probably come away believing Darwin’s theory is scientific fact. It isn't.

And Marx and Engel needed Darwin as the scientific basis for eliminating any need for religion.




“Charles Darwin’s On The Origin of Species (1859) provided the first scientific grounding in the notion of a world without God…”
Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History.”



Many, even today believe this to be proven….hence the danger of merely reading headlines. Darwin himself said he couldn’t prove it, and to this day, it has never been more than a useful theory. Darwin said that the only evidence of it would come from examining the fossil record : "... if my theory be true, numberless intermediate varieties, linking closely together all the species of the same group, must assuredly have existed; but the very process of natural selection constantly tends, as has been so often remarked, to exterminate the parent-forms and the intermediate links. Consequently evidence of their former existence could be found only amongst fossil remains ..."
Darwin, "Origin," chapter six

"To the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these assumedearliest periods prior to the Cambrian system I can give no satisfactory answer . . . Nevertheless, the difficulty of assigning any good reason for the absence of vast piles of strata rich in fossils beneath the Cambrian system is very great." Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, chapter Ten


In fact, the fossil record shows the very opposite.



Bet government school never told you that, did it.

No religious school told us that either..

 

[HenryBHough]

Don't sweat the small stuff.

Within 12 thousand years Earth will have been incinerated by some force of nature that no effort on the behalf of we puny humans could hope to thwart.

Does anyone really think that if dinosaurs had intelligence far beyond ours that Earth would look any different today? That dinosaurs would be the apex species?

 

[Soupnazi630]

….will there be more than a pile of ashes?



1.Three millennia ago, due to the start of monotheism, humanity began to construct the ‘house’ we live in today, the palace known as Western Civilization. Genesis 1:26 suddenly made every individual special, and made the argument against slavery.
In 1215, the Magna Carta underscored the premise with this language:
“Know ye, that we, in the presence of God, and for the salvation of our soul, and the souls of all our ancestors and heirs,….”
1215: Magna Carta - Online Library of Liberty

2.We’ve built western civilization on two pillars: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
“If you believe that government has no right to intrude upon the exercise of your individual will, that you have a moral duty to be virtuous, that human beings are capable of bettering the world through the use of reason, you are a product of Jerusalem and Athens.”
Ben Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History.”





3. The Enlightenment shattered the congruence of the two aspects, science and reason replacing religion and morality. There could only be one outcome, and Dostoyevsky recognized it. He saw that reason and science were being touted as the only guides that mankind needed….and he didn’t accept same.
“Human beings are creatures that seek more than which reason and science purport to give them- and they are more than the self-interested animals reason and science seek to make them. ….freed from moral responsibility….[they] would burst forth in a conflagration that will set the whole world on fire, Dostoyevsky predicted.

God’s death, Dostoyevsky thought, was man’s death as well.”
Shapiro, Op.Cit., p.117


Between WWII and the ascendancy of socialism/communism, nearly 200 million men, women, and children perished.




4. Rather than a retrenchment in faith and religion, "The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“… the New Left shattered into a multitude of single-issue groups. We now have, to name a few, radical feminists, black extremists, animal rights groups, radical environmentalists, activist homosexual organizations, multiculturalists, organizations such as People for the American Way, the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL), the National Organization for Women (NOW), and Planned Parenthood.”
Robert H. Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 53


"Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner
...surpassing his rivals in early fundraising and establishing himself as an indisputable front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination."
Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner | RealClearPolitics


A Marxist as the Democrat standard-bearer???? Yup.





After the fire…..a pile of ashes. Real Americans are simply basking in the afterglow of a once great nation and civilization.

One of them more interesting threads and ops I have seen in a while.

Consider this view point and how it relates.

Most religions give us creation myths.Usually or always these myths may be preposterous in the sense that they are unrealistic and incredible fiction. But in the days of pre modern science they gave people things that were needed such a as a starting point for civilization and a clear standard to build on. Most fictional myths give a standard of good and evil. As well as a sense of identification for self even if only the inner self.
Many flaws can be identified and seen in judeo christian creation myth.These myths are by no means true or perfect. However in the long run these myths may be better than what is replacing them.

Today creation myth is being replaced by real events which are not myth but which replace creation myth and fill the same basic roles to the detriment of those embracing them as a basis for religion.

In America this event is the civil war.We live in the post civil war era. Our country is now called THE United states as opposed to THESE united states. Anything pre civil war is seen as evil or tainted. Even the magnificent and glorious achievements of the founding fathers is seen as evil because they owned slaves. Historians may debate why the civil war was fought but the general idea on the left is that it was the starting point of the war against racism which still rages today. Racism is seen as the ultimate evil and any stand against it is the ultimate good.

Also in America and throughout Europe WWII is seen as a starting point replacing creation myth. The holocaust and hitler are the greatest of evils. They were evil of course but not the worst or biggest evil. We and europe view the current era as POST WWII with hitler and the holocaust being the starting point. All the achievements of western civilization pre WWII are ignored by most. Western Civilization is no longer the beacon or standard for the rest of the world to emulate unless it is post WWII, despite the fact that western civilization is demonstrably superior to any other civilization in many ways long before WWII. The crusades are considered racist and mistaken as aggressive wars against muslims despite the fact that the opposite is true.

Any opposition to hitler and nazism is good even decades later and even by marxists who are equally evil. The war against Japan is considered racist while the war against Hitler was a righteous cause even though the Japanese were as bad as the third reich and attacked the US.

Replacing old and bizarre creation myths is not necessarily a bad thing but what they have been replaced with is destructive. Europeans and Americans are now taught to hate themselves and their civilization because of historic events which are now considered the starting point for where we are.

Science may well dispell creation myths but in doing so it left a vacuum which we have allowed to be filled with some really terrible ideas.

 

[PoliticalChic]

….will there be more than a pile of ashes?



1.Three millennia ago, due to the start of monotheism, humanity began to construct the ‘house’ we live in today, the palace known as Western Civilization. Genesis 1:26 suddenly made every individual special, and made the argument against slavery.
In 1215, the Magna Carta underscored the premise with this language:
“Know ye, that we, in the presence of God, and for the salvation of our soul, and the souls of all our ancestors and heirs,….”
1215: Magna Carta - Online Library of Liberty

2.We’ve built western civilization on two pillars: God created every human in His image and human beings are able to investigate and make rational conclusions about the world. These two ideas were born in Jerusalem and Athens, respectively.
“If you believe that government has no right to intrude upon the exercise of your individual will, that you have a moral duty to be virtuous, that human beings are capable of bettering the world through the use of reason, you are a product of Jerusalem and Athens.”
Ben Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History.”





3. The Enlightenment shattered the congruence of the two aspects, science and reason replacing religion and morality. There could only be one outcome, and Dostoyevsky recognized it. He saw that reason and science were being touted as the only guides that mankind needed….and he didn’t accept same.
“Human beings are creatures that seek more than which reason and science purport to give them- and they are more than the self-interested animals reason and science seek to make them. ….freed from moral responsibility….[they] would burst forth in a conflagration that will set the whole world on fire, Dostoyevsky predicted.

God’s death, Dostoyevsky thought, was man’s death as well.”
Shapiro, Op.Cit., p.117


Between WWII and the ascendancy of socialism/communism, nearly 200 million men, women, and children perished.




4. Rather than a retrenchment in faith and religion, "The abandonment of the Christian tradition that created the West's most cherished ideal [with] a radical secularism evident in Europe's indifference to God and church- created a vacuum of belief into which many pseudo-religions have poured: scientism, fascism, communism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, sheer hedonism [and Islam] - all have attempted and failed....to provide Europeans with an alternative to Christianity that can show them what is worth living and dying for."
From "Decline and Fall: Europe's Slow-Motion Suicide," by Bruce Thornton


“… the New Left shattered into a multitude of single-issue groups. We now have, to name a few, radical feminists, black extremists, animal rights groups, radical environmentalists, activist homosexual organizations, multiculturalists, organizations such as People for the American Way, the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL), the National Organization for Women (NOW), and Planned Parenthood.”
Robert H. Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 53


"Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner
...surpassing his rivals in early fundraising and establishing himself as an indisputable front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination."
Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner | RealClearPolitics


A Marxist as the Democrat standard-bearer???? Yup.





After the fire…..a pile of ashes. Real Americans are simply basking in the afterglow of a once great nation and civilization.

One of them more interesting threads and ops I have seen in a while.

Consider this view point and how it relates.

Most religions give us creation myths.Usually or always these myths may be preposterous in the sense that they are unrealistic and incredible fiction. But in the days of pre modern science they gave people thing that were needed such a as a starting point for civilization and a clear standard to build on. Most fictional myths give a standard of good and evil. As well as a sense of identification for self even if only the inner self.
Many flaws can be identified and seen in judeo christian creation myth.These myths are by no means true or perfect. However in the long one these myths may be better than what is replacing them.

Today creation myth is being replaced by real events which are not myth but which replace creation myth and fill the same basic roles to the detriment of those embracing them as a basis for religion.

In America this event is the civil war.We live in the post civil war era. Our country is now called THE United states as opposed to THESE united states. Anything pre civil war is seen as evil or tainted. Even the magnificent and glorious achievements of the founding fathers is seen as evil because they owned slaves. Historians may debate why the civil war was fought but the general idea on the left is that it was the starting point of the war against racism which still rages today. Racism is seen as the ultimate evil and any stand against it is the ultimate good.

Also in America and throughout Europe WWII is seen as a starting point replacing creation myth. The holocaust and hitler are the greatest of evils. They were evil of course but not the worst or biggest evil. We and europe view the current era as POST WWII with hitler and the holocaust being the starting point. All the achievements of western civilization pre WWII are ignored by most. Western Civilization is no longer the beacon or standard for the rest of the world to emulate unless it is post WWII, despite the fact that western civilization is demonstrably superior to any other civilization in many ways long before WWII. The crusades are considered racist and mistaken as aggressive wars against muslims despite the fact that the opposite is true.

Any opposition to hitler and nazism is good even decades later and even by marxists who are equally evil. The war against Japan is considered racist while the war against Hitler was a righteous cause even though the Japanese were as bad as the third reich and attacked the US.

Replacing old and bizarre creation myths is not necessarily a bad thing but what they have been replaced with is destructive. Europeans and Americans are now taught to hate themselves and their civilization because of historic events which are now considered the starting point for where we are.

Science may well dispell creation myths but in doing so it left a vacuum which we have allowed to be filled with some really terrible ideas.

Thoughtful and well written.

 

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Darwin's never-proven theory is more useful to Marxism than it is to science.




9. One of the first readers of Darwin’s 'On the Origin of Species' was Friedrich Engels, then living in Manchester. He wrote to Karl Marx: "Darwin, by the way, whom I’m reading just now, is absolutely splendid. There was one aspect of teleology that had yet to be demolished, and that has now been done. Never before has so grandiose an attempt been made to demonstrate historical evolution in Nature, and certainly never to such good effect."
Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, "Marx-Engels Collected Works" , vol. 40, p. 441.


They were so very pleased that they could point to Darwin as an alternative to Genesis.


And Marxism had a particularly dark view of religion:


"Just because any religious idea, any idea of any god at all, any flirtation even with a god, is the most inexpressible foulness, particularly tolerantly (and often even favourably) accepted by the democratic bourgeoisie—for that very reason it is the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful “infection.” A million physical sins, dirty tricks, acts of violence and infections are much more easily discovered by the crowd, and therefore are much less dangerous, than the nubile, spiritual idea of god, dressed up in the most attractive “ideological” costumes." Letter from Lenin to Maxim Gorky, Written on November 13 or 14, 1913 Lenin 55. TO MAXIM GORKY




And, a century and a half after Darwin published his thesis, this is the fact:

"And let us dispose of a common misconception. The complete transmutation of even one animal species into a different species has never been directly observed either in the laboratory or in the field."
Dean H. Kenyon (Professor of Biology, San Francisco State University), affidavit presented to the U.S. Supreme Court, No. 85-1513, Brief of Appellants, prepared under the direction of William J. Guste, Jr., Attorney General of the State of Louisiana, October 1985, p. A-16.


And that nearly a century and a half after Darwin proposed it.