Alan Simpson Calls GOP Refusal To Raise Revenue ‘Absolute Bullshit’

[BenNatuf]

here dumbasses, the budget as passed in 2007 BEFORE budget amendments and supplentals

050 National defense:
Discretionary:
Department of Defense—Military:.....................2005........2006..........2007
Military personnel.......................................119,740....113,481....110,850
Proposed Legislation (non-PAYGO).....................................................-72
Subtotal, Military personnel.........................119,740 113,481 110,778
Operation and maintenance.........................178,566....177,737.....152,286
Proposed Legislation (non-PAYGO)...................................................-249
Subtotal, Operation and maintenance...........178,566.....177,737....152,037
Procurement................................................96,613......86,185......84,197
Anticipated funding for the GWoT..................................70,000......50,000
Research, development, test and evaluation....68,826.......71,046.....73,156
Military construction.......................................7,260.........8,936.....12,613
Family housing..............................................4,099.........4,439.......4,085
Revolving, management, and trusts.................3,807.........4,782.......2,436
Total, Department of Defense—Military.........478,911.....536,606....489,302

Notice 50B estimate for GWot and the FINAL budget authority of 489B



here are the outlays

050 National Defense:
051 Department of Defense-Military:
Military Personnel....................................................127,463........127,543........127,544
Operation and Maintenance.......................................188,118........203,789........216,631
Procurement.............................................................82,294..........89,757..........99,647
Research, Development, Test, and Evaluation...............65,694..........68,629..........73,136
Military Construction....................................................5,331............6,245...........7,899
Family Housing...........................................................3,720............3,717...........3,473
Other.........................................................................1,451.............-383..............218
051 Subtotal, Department of Defense-Military..............474,071.......499,297........528,548
053 Atomic energy defense activities............................18,042........17,468...........17,050
054 Defense-related activities........................................3,195..........5,062.............5,673
Total, National Defense.............................................495,308.......521,827.........551,271

Note the total spending before defence related spending is 528B. Now how could they spen more money they they were approtioned? There is only one way, the budget has to be ammended with supplemental appropriations which you'll find here.

Budget of the United States Government: Budget Amendments and Supplementals 109th Congress, 2d Session

as part of the final deficit with all supplements and amendments here

Budget of the United States Government: Browse Fiscal Year 2007

why is the 50B for "anticipated spending listed in the proposed budget important? Because the difference between the 489B authorized and the 528B soend is 39B which if you add the 50B to you get 89B which was the portion of the 98B appropriated to the DoD in the supplemental, and you can read for yourself in the supplemental how that 50B was not even new spending but was just extending SPECIFIC authority to actually spend the allready authorized (50B) but not speciffically appropriated funds.

Need more?

Compare the 110B originally appropriated for military personel to the 127B actually spent (green). the difference 17B is exactly what was appropriated for additional pay in the supplemental. Thats how it works, supplemental spending is ADDED to current budget authority in the computation of FINAL deficit numbers and anyone who says it's not is LYING to you. It is "off budget" for planning and projection purposes but "on budget" for final computation. If DoD is only given 110B in spending authority for military pay, thats all they can spend unless a supplemental is passed to increase the amount. If they're only appropriated 489B they cannot spend 528B unless the money is appropriated in a supplemental. Your fucking progressive leaders are, as usual, lying to your stupid asses.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

here dumbasses, the budget as passed in 2007 BEFORE budget amendments and supplentals

050 National defense:
Discretionary:
Department of Defense—Military:.....................2005........2006..........2007
Military personnel.......................................119,740....113,481....110,850
Proposed Legislation (non-PAYGO).....................................................-72
Subtotal, Military personnel.........................119,740 113,481 110,778
Operation and maintenance.........................178,566....177,737.....152,286
Proposed Legislation (non-PAYGO)...................................................-249
Subtotal, Operation and maintenance...........178,566.....177,737....152,037
Procurement................................................96,613......86,185......84,197
Anticipated funding for the GWoT..................................70,000......50,000
Research, development, test and evaluation....68,826.......71,046.....73,156
Military construction.......................................7,260.........8,936.....12,613
Family housing..............................................4,099.........4,439.......4,085
Revolving, management, and trusts.................3,807.........4,782.......2,436
Total, Department of Defense—Military.........478,911.....536,606....489,302

Notice 50B estimate for GWot and the FINAL budget authority of 489B



here are the outlays

050 National Defense:
051 Department of Defense-Military:
Military Personnel....................................................127,463........127,543........127,544
Operation and Maintenance.......................................188,118........203,789........216,631
Procurement.............................................................82,294..........89,757..........99,647
Research, Development, Test, and Evaluation...............65,694..........68,629..........73,136
Military Construction....................................................5,331............6,245...........7,899
Family Housing...........................................................3,720............3,717...........3,473
Other.........................................................................1,451.............-383..............218
051 Subtotal, Department of Defense-Military..............474,071.......499,297........528,548
053 Atomic energy defense activities............................18,042........17,468...........17,050
054 Defense-related activities........................................3,195..........5,062.............5,673
Total, National Defense.............................................495,308.......521,827.........551,271

Note the total spending before defence related spending is 528B. Now how could they spen more money they they were approtioned? There is only one way, the budget has to be ammended with supplemental appropriations which you'll find here.

Budget of the United States Government: Budget Amendments and Supplementals 109th Congress, 2d Session

as part of the final deficit with all supplements and amendments here

Budget of the United States Government: Browse Fiscal Year 2007

why is the 50B for "anticipated spending listed in the proposed budget important? Because the difference between the 489B authorized and the 528B soend is 39B which if you add the 50B to you get 89B which was the portion of the 98B appropriated to the DoD in the supplemental, and you can read for yourself in the supplemental how that 50B was not even new spending but was just extending SPECIFIC authority to actually spend the allready authorized (50B) but not speciffically appropriated funds.

Need more?

Compare the 110B originally appropriated for military personel to the 127B actually spent (green). the difference 17B is exactly what was appropriated for additional pay in the supplemental. Thats how it works, supplemental spending is ADDED to current budget authority in the computation of FINAL deficit numbers and anyone who says it's not is LYING to you. It is "off budget" for planning and projection purposes but "on budget" for final computation. If DoD is only given 110B in spending authority for military pay, thats all they can spend unless a supplemental is passed to increase the amount. If they're only appropriated 489B they cannot spend 528B unless the money is appropriated in a supplemental. Your fucking progressive leaders are, as usual, lying to your stupid asses.

Excellent explanation! The idiots still won't understnd, because it has all those big icky numbers.

 

[BenNatuf]

here dumbasses, the budget as passed in 2007 BEFORE budget amendments and supplentals

050 National defense:
Discretionary:
Department of Defense—Military:.....................2005........2006..........2007
Military personnel.......................................119,740....113,481....110,850
Proposed Legislation (non-PAYGO).....................................................-72
Subtotal, Military personnel.........................119,740 113,481 110,778
Operation and maintenance.........................178,566....177,737.....152,286
Proposed Legislation (non-PAYGO)...................................................-249
Subtotal, Operation and maintenance...........178,566.....177,737....152,037
Procurement................................................96,613......86,185......84,197
Anticipated funding for the GWoT..................................70,000......50,000
Research, development, test and evaluation....68,826.......71,046.....73,156
Military construction.......................................7,260.........8,936.....12,613
Family housing..............................................4,099.........4,439.......4,085
Revolving, management, and trusts.................3,807.........4,782.......2,436
Total, Department of Defense—Military.........478,911.....536,606....489,302

Notice 50B estimate for GWot and the FINAL budget authority of 489B



here are the outlays

050 National Defense:
051 Department of Defense-Military:
Military Personnel....................................................127,463........127,543........127,544
Operation and Maintenance.......................................188,118........203,789........216,631
Procurement.............................................................82,294..........89,757..........99,647
Research, Development, Test, and Evaluation...............65,694..........68,629..........73,136
Military Construction....................................................5,331............6,245...........7,899
Family Housing...........................................................3,720............3,717...........3,473
Other.........................................................................1,451.............-383..............218
051 Subtotal, Department of Defense-Military..............474,071.......499,297........528,548
053 Atomic energy defense activities............................18,042........17,468...........17,050
054 Defense-related activities........................................3,195..........5,062.............5,673
Total, National Defense.............................................495,308.......521,827.........551,271

Note the total spending before defence related spending is 528B. Now how could they spen more money they they were approtioned? There is only one way, the budget has to be ammended with supplemental appropriations which you'll find here.

Budget of the United States Government: Budget Amendments and Supplementals 109th Congress, 2d Session

as part of the final deficit with all supplements and amendments here

Budget of the United States Government: Browse Fiscal Year 2007

why is the 50B for "anticipated spending listed in the proposed budget important? Because the difference between the 489B authorized and the 528B soend is 39B which if you add the 50B to you get 89B which was the portion of the 98B appropriated to the DoD in the supplemental, and you can read for yourself in the supplemental how that 50B was not even new spending but was just extending SPECIFIC authority to actually spend the allready authorized (50B) but not speciffically appropriated funds.

Need more?

Compare the 110B originally appropriated for military personel to the 127B actually spent (green). the difference 17B is exactly what was appropriated for additional pay in the supplemental. Thats how it works, supplemental spending is ADDED to current budget authority in the computation of FINAL deficit numbers and anyone who says it's not is LYING to you. It is "off budget" for planning and projection purposes but "on budget" for final computation. If DoD is only given 110B in spending authority for military pay, thats all they can spend unless a supplemental is passed to increase the amount. If they're only appropriated 489B they cannot spend 528B unless the money is appropriated in a supplemental. Your fucking progressive leaders are, as usual, lying to your stupid asses.

Excellent explanation! The idiots still won't understnd, because it has all those big icky numbers.

even worse, it's linked to the actual legislation on the GAO "budget page" with explanations in the buill telling how it will effect current year appropriations. These idiots are too invested in progressive mythology and BDS to ever see the truth (or admit it if they do).

 

[edthecynic]

here dumbasses, the budget as passed in 2007 BEFORE budget amendments and supplentals

050 National defense:
Discretionary:
Department of Defense—Military:.....................2005........2006..........2007
Military personnel.......................................119,740....113,481....110,850
Proposed Legislation (non-PAYGO).....................................................-72
Subtotal, Military personnel.........................119,740 113,481 110,778
Operation and maintenance.........................178,566....177,737.....152,286
Proposed Legislation (non-PAYGO)...................................................-249
Subtotal, Operation and maintenance...........178,566.....177,737....152,037
Procurement................................................96,613......86,185......84,197
Anticipated funding for the GWoT..................................70,000......50,000
Research, development, test and evaluation....68,826.......71,046.....73,156
Military construction.......................................7,260.........8,936.....12,613
Family housing..............................................4,099.........4,439.......4,085
Revolving, management, and trusts.................3,807.........4,782.......2,436
Total, Department of Defense—Military.........478,911.....536,606....489,302

Notice 50B estimate for GWot and the FINAL budget authority of 489B



here are the outlays

050 National Defense:
051 Department of Defense-Military:
Military Personnel....................................................127,463........127,543........127,544
Operation and Maintenance.......................................188,118........203,789........216,631
Procurement.............................................................82,294..........89,757..........99,647
Research, Development, Test, and Evaluation...............65,694..........68,629..........73,136
Military Construction....................................................5,331............6,245...........7,899
Family Housing...........................................................3,720............3,717...........3,473
Other.........................................................................1,451.............-383..............218
051 Subtotal, Department of Defense-Military..............474,071.......499,297........528,548
053 Atomic energy defense activities............................18,042........17,468...........17,050
054 Defense-related activities........................................3,195..........5,062.............5,673
Total, National Defense.............................................495,308.......521,827.........551,271

Note the total spending before defence related spending is 528B. Now how could they spen more money they they were approtioned? There is only one way, the budget has to be ammended with supplemental appropriations which you'll find here.

Budget of the United States Government: Budget Amendments and Supplementals 109th Congress, 2d Session

as part of the final deficit with all supplements and amendments here

Budget of the United States Government: Browse Fiscal Year 2007

why is the 50B for "anticipated spending listed in the proposed budget important? Because the difference between the 489B authorized and the 528B soend is 39B which if you add the 50B to you get 89B which was the portion of the 98B appropriated to the DoD in the supplemental, and you can read for yourself in the supplemental how that 50B was not even new spending but was just extending SPECIFIC authority to actually spend the allready authorized (50B) but not speciffically appropriated funds.

Need more?

Compare the 110B originally appropriated for military personel to the 127B actually spent (green). the difference 17B is exactly what was appropriated for additional pay in the supplemental. Thats how it works, supplemental spending is ADDED to current budget authority in the computation of FINAL deficit numbers and anyone who says it's not is LYING to you. It is "off budget" for planning and projection purposes but "on budget" for final computation. If DoD is only given 110B in spending authority for military pay, thats all they can spend unless a supplemental is passed to increase the amount. If they're only appropriated 489B they cannot spend 528B unless the money is appropriated in a supplemental. Your fucking progressive leaders are, as usual, lying to your stupid asses.

Obviously you just plucked a bunch of random numbers and mixed and matched them to get whatever numbers you wanted.

First of all, there are no 2007 DoD supplemental appropriations in your link. Second, in FY 2007, the Defense Department base budget was $498 billion. Added to that was $70 billion in supplemental security spending, which was approved during that fiscal year. The budget for FY 2008 Budget added to that an additional $103.6 billion to be spent in the remainder of that fiscal year (January - October 2007). That meant Supplemental Spending for the WoT for FY 2007 was $173.6 billion. This brought total Military spending for FY 2007 to $671.6 billion. Third, obviously all this extra supplemental defense spending does not show up in your budget outlays numbers, and defense was not the only supplemental spending. So we are back to the fact that deficit spending in 2007 raised the total debt by 500 billion.

 

[BenNatuf]

here dumbasses, the budget as passed in 2007 BEFORE budget amendments and supplentals

050 National defense:
Discretionary:
Department of Defense—Military:.....................2005........2006..........2007
Military personnel.......................................119,740....113,481....110,850
Proposed Legislation (non-PAYGO).....................................................-72
Subtotal, Military personnel.........................119,740 113,481 110,778
Operation and maintenance.........................178,566....177,737.....152,286
Proposed Legislation (non-PAYGO)...................................................-249
Subtotal, Operation and maintenance...........178,566.....177,737....152,037
Procurement................................................96,613......86,185......84,197
Anticipated funding for the GWoT..................................70,000......50,000
Research, development, test and evaluation....68,826.......71,046.....73,156
Military construction.......................................7,260.........8,936.....12,613
Family housing..............................................4,099.........4,439.......4,085
Revolving, management, and trusts.................3,807.........4,782.......2,436
Total, Department of Defense—Military.........478,911.....536,606....489,302

Notice 50B estimate for GWot and the FINAL budget authority of 489B



here are the outlays

050 National Defense:
051 Department of Defense-Military:
Military Personnel....................................................127,463........127,543........127,544
Operation and Maintenance.......................................188,118........203,789........216,631
Procurement.............................................................82,294..........89,757..........99,647
Research, Development, Test, and Evaluation...............65,694..........68,629..........73,136
Military Construction....................................................5,331............6,245...........7,899
Family Housing...........................................................3,720............3,717...........3,473
Other.........................................................................1,451.............-383..............218
051 Subtotal, Department of Defense-Military..............474,071.......499,297........528,548
053 Atomic energy defense activities............................18,042........17,468...........17,050
054 Defense-related activities........................................3,195..........5,062.............5,673
Total, National Defense.............................................495,308.......521,827.........551,271

Note the total spending before defence related spending is 528B. Now how could they spen more money they they were approtioned? There is only one way, the budget has to be ammended with supplemental appropriations which you'll find here.

Budget of the United States Government: Budget Amendments and Supplementals 109th Congress, 2d Session

as part of the final deficit with all supplements and amendments here

Budget of the United States Government: Browse Fiscal Year 2007

why is the 50B for "anticipated spending listed in the proposed budget important? Because the difference between the 489B authorized and the 528B soend is 39B which if you add the 50B to you get 89B which was the portion of the 98B appropriated to the DoD in the supplemental, and you can read for yourself in the supplemental how that 50B was not even new spending but was just extending SPECIFIC authority to actually spend the allready authorized (50B) but not speciffically appropriated funds.

Need more?

Compare the 110B originally appropriated for military personel to the 127B actually spent (green). the difference 17B is exactly what was appropriated for additional pay in the supplemental. Thats how it works, supplemental spending is ADDED to current budget authority in the computation of FINAL deficit numbers and anyone who says it's not is LYING to you. It is "off budget" for planning and projection purposes but "on budget" for final computation. If DoD is only given 110B in spending authority for military pay, thats all they can spend unless a supplemental is passed to increase the amount. If they're only appropriated 489B they cannot spend 528B unless the money is appropriated in a supplemental. Your fucking progressive leaders are, as usual, lying to your stupid asses.

Obviously you just plucked a bunch of random numbers and mixed and matched them to get whatever numbers you wanted.

First of all, there are no 2007 DoD supplemental appropriations in your link. Second, in FY 2007, the Defense Department base budget was $498 billion. Added to that was $70 billion in supplemental security spending, which was approved during that fiscal year. The budget for FY 2008 Budget added to that an additional $103.6 billion to be spent in the remainder of that fiscal year (January - October 2007). That meant Supplemental Spending for the WoT for FY 2007 was $173.6 billion. This brought total Military spending for FY 2007 to $671.6 billion. Third, obviously all this extra supplemental defense spending does not show up in your budget outlays numbers, and defense was not the only supplemental spending. So we are back to the fact that deficit spending in 2007 raised the total debt by 500 billion.

LOL... how silly. The supplementals attached are for 2006 and that is what the 70B figure on "anticipated spending on the GWoT" reflects for 2006 (it was actually 72B, the other 2B went to the department of agriculture. Also dumbass, the supplemental with the 2008 budget for the rest of 2007 included NO NEW SPENDING and it says so in the FIRST FUCKING SENTENCE, it shuffled money allready allocated. I'm sure you read that and decided to see if you could get away with lying about it though. You'll find the addendum and supplentals for 2007 and 2008 here.

Supplementals, Amendments, and Releases | The White House

that would be because the 2007 supplemental was included with the 2008 budget addendum

and here is all the ones from 2006 and 2007 made durring the budget year

Supplementals, Amendments, and Releases | The White House

you'll note no supplental here, that would be because they already planned for 50B in the 2007 budget and only needed the specific appropriations and spending authority and the 2007 supplemental is included with the next years addendum.

The numbers, jackass, are the approved budget for 2007 including ALL spending authority without supplementals, and the actuall spending with supplementals. Yes dumbass, they are included. The entire 340B difference you are so obsessed with is government trust funds BUYING notional bonds from the treasury to secure the trust fund with an asset that pays interest intead of just letting the cash sit there and mold. That is what government trust funds do with surplusses, they INVEST them in BONDS (though they are no longer physical but notional; hence, the "IOU" designation). The money they pay for them is counted as "reciepts", because the treasury department does recieve it, but the bond they recieve is not counted as an "asset" in the accounting because when they figure "debt" the only thing they concern themselves with is the total amount of treasuries outstanding, not who holds them, and that is why the only deb figure that matters is the "debt owed to the public" and not intragovernmental debt.

I know this makes things hard for you because it kind of takes all the myths you had in your BDS afflicted mind and trashes them, but those are the FACTS, and there is nothing you can do to make them not facts. The deficit in 2007 was and will remain 161B including ALL receipts and outlays including supplementals. The publicly held debt under bush did not go up nearly as much as you think it did, and under Obama it is out of control. Obama has already surpassed all of the publicly held debt Bush added in 8 years in less than 3, he will have more than doubled it by the time he's done with his one term. Bush took 8 years to do that, and then just barely.

 

[edthecynic]

here dumbasses, the budget as passed in 2007 BEFORE budget amendments and supplentals

Notice 50B estimate for GWot and the FINAL budget authority of 489B



here are the outlays

Note the total spending before defence related spending is 528B. Now how could they spen more money they they were approtioned? There is only one way, the budget has to be ammended with supplemental appropriations which you'll find here.

Budget of the United States Government: Budget Amendments and Supplementals 109th Congress, 2d Session

as part of the final deficit with all supplements and amendments here

Budget of the United States Government: Browse Fiscal Year 2007

why is the 50B for "anticipated spending listed in the proposed budget important? Because the difference between the 489B authorized and the 528B soend is 39B which if you add the 50B to you get 89B which was the portion of the 98B appropriated to the DoD in the supplemental, and you can read for yourself in the supplemental how that 50B was not even new spending but was just extending SPECIFIC authority to actually spend the allready authorized (50B) but not speciffically appropriated funds.

Need more?

Compare the 110B originally appropriated for military personel to the 127B actually spent (green). the difference 17B is exactly what was appropriated for additional pay in the supplemental. Thats how it works, supplemental spending is ADDED to current budget authority in the computation of FINAL deficit numbers and anyone who says it's not is LYING to you. It is "off budget" for planning and projection purposes but "on budget" for final computation. If DoD is only given 110B in spending authority for military pay, thats all they can spend unless a supplemental is passed to increase the amount. If they're only appropriated 489B they cannot spend 528B unless the money is appropriated in a supplemental. Your fucking progressive leaders are, as usual, lying to your stupid asses.

Obviously you just plucked a bunch of random numbers and mixed and matched them to get whatever numbers you wanted.

First of all, there are no 2007 DoD supplemental appropriations in your link. Second, in FY 2007, the Defense Department base budget was $498 billion. Added to that was $70 billion in supplemental security spending, which was approved during that fiscal year. The budget for FY 2008 Budget added to that an additional $103.6 billion to be spent in the remainder of that fiscal year (January - October 2007). That meant Supplemental Spending for the WoT for FY 2007 was $173.6 billion. This brought total Military spending for FY 2007 to $671.6 billion. Third, obviously all this extra supplemental defense spending does not show up in your budget outlays numbers, and defense was not the only supplemental spending. So we are back to the fact that deficit spending in 2007 raised the total debt by 500 billion.

LOL... how silly. The supplementals attached are for 2006 and that is what the 70B figure on "anticipated spending on the GWoT" reflects for 2006 (it was actually 72B, the other 2B went to the department of agriculture. Also dumbass, the supplemental with the 2008 budget for the rest of 2007 included NO NEW SPENDING and it says so in the FIRST FUCKING SENTENCE, it shuffled money allready allocated. I'm sure you read that and decided to see if you could get away with lying about it though. You'll find the addendum and supplentals for 2007 and 2008 here.

Supplementals, Amendments, and Releases | The White House

that would be because the 2007 supplemental was included with the 2008 budget addendum

and here is all the ones from 2006 and 2007 made durring the budget year

Supplementals, Amendments, and Releases | The White House

you'll note no supplental here, that would be because they already planned for 50B in the 2007 budget and only needed the specific appropriations and spending authority and the 2007 supplemental is included with the next years addendum.

The numbers, jackass, are the approved budget for 2007 including ALL spending authority without supplementals, and the actuall spending with supplementals. Yes dumbass, they are included. The entire 340B difference you are so obsessed with is government trust funds BUYING notional bonds from the treasury to secure the trust fund with an asset that pays interest intead of just letting the cash sit there and mold. That is what government trust funds do with surplusses, they INVEST them in BONDS (though they are no longer physical but notional; hence, the "IOU" designation). The money they pay for them is counted as "reciepts", because the treasury department does recieve it, but the bond they recieve is not counted as an "asset" in the accounting because when they figure "debt" the only thing they concern themselves with is the total amount of treasuries outstanding, not who holds them, and that is why the only deb figure that matters is the "debt owed to the public" and not intragovernmental debt.

I know this makes things hard for you because it kind of takes all the myths you had in your BDS afflicted mind and trashes them, but those are the FACTS, and there is nothing you can do to make them not facts. The deficit in 2007 was and will remain 161B including ALL receipts and outlays including supplementals. The publicly held debt under bush did not go up nearly as much as you think it did, and under Obama it is out of control. Obama has already surpassed all of the publicly held debt Bush added in 8 years in less than 3, he will have more than doubled it by the time he's done with his one term. Bush took 8 years to do that, and then just barely.

When CON$ are caught lying they just keep on lying, attempting to swamp you in a deluge of lies.

The 2006 supplementals are for the 2006 budget, we are talking about the 2007 budget. The supplemental spending for the GWoT was in the regular 2008 budget proposal and there was NO first, middle or last "FUCKING" sentence that said there was no new spending, only shuffling money already allotted.

See for your "FUCKING" self, :

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy08/pdf/budget/defense.pdf

The President’s 2008 Budget:
• Provides $481.4 billion for the Department of Defense’s base budget—a 62-percent increase
over 2001—to ensure a high level of military readiness as the Department develops
capabilities to meet future threats, defends the homeland, and supports the all-volunteer
force and their families;
• Supports operations in the Global War on Terror by providing an additional $93.4 billion in
supplemental funds for 2007 and $141.7 billion for 2008, including funds to accelerate efforts
to train and equip Iraqi and Afghan Security Forces;

And Bush racked up $4.212 trillion in public debt in his 8 fiscal years and Obama has only racked up $2.203 up to now. Only an ignorant boob would call 2.2 trillion more than 4.2 trillion.
No wonder you can't tell that the total debt increased 500 billion in 2007 to cover the 2007 deficit spending!!!

 

[Uncensored2008]

And Bush racked up $4.212 trillion in public debt in his 8 fiscal years and Obama has only racked up $2.203 up to now. Only an ignorant boob would call 2.2 trillion more than 4.2 trillion.

The fucker has only been in office for two years. At this rate he will exceed Bush by the time he leaves office on Jan 20, 2013 - in half the amount of time.

 

[edthecynic]

And Bush racked up $4.212 trillion in public debt in his 8 fiscal years and Obama has only racked up $2.203 up to now. Only an ignorant boob would call 2.2 trillion more than 4.2 trillion.

The fucker has only been in office for two years. At this rate he will exceed Bush by the time he leaves office on Jan 20, 2013 - in half the amount of time.

That's because of all the carryover from the GOP's wasteful spending. You have 2 wars, the medicare part D, and interest on the 12 trillion GOP debt.

 

[BenNatuf]

Obviously you just plucked a bunch of random numbers and mixed and matched them to get whatever numbers you wanted.

First of all, there are no 2007 DoD supplemental appropriations in your link. Second, in FY 2007, the Defense Department base budget was $498 billion. Added to that was $70 billion in supplemental security spending, which was approved during that fiscal year. The budget for FY 2008 Budget added to that an additional $103.6 billion to be spent in the remainder of that fiscal year (January - October 2007). That meant Supplemental Spending for the WoT for FY 2007 was $173.6 billion. This brought total Military spending for FY 2007 to $671.6 billion. Third, obviously all this extra supplemental defense spending does not show up in your budget outlays numbers, and defense was not the only supplemental spending. So we are back to the fact that deficit spending in 2007 raised the total debt by 500 billion.

LOL... how silly. The supplementals attached are for 2006 and that is what the 70B figure on "anticipated spending on the GWoT" reflects for 2006 (it was actually 72B, the other 2B went to the department of agriculture. Also dumbass, the supplemental with the 2008 budget for the rest of 2007 included NO NEW SPENDING and it says so in the FIRST FUCKING SENTENCE, it shuffled money allready allocated. I'm sure you read that and decided to see if you could get away with lying about it though. You'll find the addendum and supplentals for 2007 and 2008 here.

Supplementals, Amendments, and Releases | The White House

that would be because the 2007 supplemental was included with the 2008 budget addendum

and here is all the ones from 2006 and 2007 made durring the budget year

Supplementals, Amendments, and Releases | The White House

you'll note no supplental here, that would be because they already planned for 50B in the 2007 budget and only needed the specific appropriations and spending authority and the 2007 supplemental is included with the next years addendum.

The numbers, jackass, are the approved budget for 2007 including ALL spending authority without supplementals, and the actuall spending with supplementals. Yes dumbass, they are included. The entire 340B difference you are so obsessed with is government trust funds BUYING notional bonds from the treasury to secure the trust fund with an asset that pays interest intead of just letting the cash sit there and mold. That is what government trust funds do with surplusses, they INVEST them in BONDS (though they are no longer physical but notional; hence, the "IOU" designation). The money they pay for them is counted as "reciepts", because the treasury department does recieve it, but the bond they recieve is not counted as an "asset" in the accounting because when they figure "debt" the only thing they concern themselves with is the total amount of treasuries outstanding, not who holds them, and that is why the only deb figure that matters is the "debt owed to the public" and not intragovernmental debt.

I know this makes things hard for you because it kind of takes all the myths you had in your BDS afflicted mind and trashes them, but those are the FACTS, and there is nothing you can do to make them not facts. The deficit in 2007 was and will remain 161B including ALL receipts and outlays including supplementals. The publicly held debt under bush did not go up nearly as much as you think it did, and under Obama it is out of control. Obama has already surpassed all of the publicly held debt Bush added in 8 years in less than 3, he will have more than doubled it by the time he's done with his one term. Bush took 8 years to do that, and then just barely.

When CON$ are caught lying they just keep on lying, attempting to swamp you in a deluge of lies.

The 2006 supplementals are for the 2006 budget, we are talking about the 2007 budget. The supplemental spending for the GWoT was in the regular 2008 budget proposal and there was NO first, middle or last "FUCKING" sentence that said there was no new spending, only shuffling money already allotted.

See for your "FUCKING" self, :

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy08/pdf/budget/defense.pdf

The President’s 2008 Budget:
• Provides $481.4 billion for the Department of Defense’s base budget—a 62-percent increase
over 2001—to ensure a high level of military readiness as the Department develops
capabilities to meet future threats, defends the homeland, and supports the all-volunteer
force and their families;
• Supports operations in the Global War on Terror by providing an additional $93.4 billion in
supplemental funds for 2007 and $141.7 billion for 2008, including funds to accelerate efforts
to train and equip Iraqi and Afghan Security Forces;

And Bush racked up $4.212 trillion in public debt in his 8 fiscal years and Obama has only racked up $2.203 up to now. Only an ignorant boob would call 2.2 trillion more than 4.2 trillion.
No wonder you can't tell that the total debt increased 500 billion in 2007 to cover the 2007 deficit spending!!!

you can't even read a fucking ballance sheet and your trying to tell me about debt? LOL. what a rube.

I already PROVED it was included in the final deficit numbers. PROVED, dumbass. Nothing you say is going to change that.

as for the debt publicly held debt rose from 3.5T to 6.9T on Bush signature (the other 600B in 2009 was on Obama's signature--not Bush's). Under Obama It's already 10.4T and counting dumbass. thats 3.4T under 8 years of Bush and 3.5T under 3 years of Obama.

You do know what 141B for FY 2008 means don't you moron? It means NOT 2007... fucking idiot.

yes, i already said there was a 98B supplemental (increased by the congress from the 93 Bush requested); however, as I've shown dumbass, the "anticipated spending for the GWoT" covered 50B of it and was included in the BUDGET authorization of 489B. "Anticipated", dumbass... words have meanings. Just like the 70B that was anticipated in 2006 and made a part of that estimate (ended up being 72B), they anticipated 50B for 2007 and it ended up being 98B... only 89B however went to the DoD, which is why the number at the end of the year is only 39B higher than the authorization.

Let us know when you develope any fucking sence at all.

 

[edthecynic]

LOL... how silly. The supplementals attached are for 2006 and that is what the 70B figure on "anticipated spending on the GWoT" reflects for 2006 (it was actually 72B, the other 2B went to the department of agriculture. Also dumbass, the supplemental with the 2008 budget for the rest of 2007 included NO NEW SPENDING and it says so in the FIRST FUCKING SENTENCE, it shuffled money allready allocated. I'm sure you read that and decided to see if you could get away with lying about it though. You'll find the addendum and supplentals for 2007 and 2008 here.

Supplementals, Amendments, and Releases | The White House

that would be because the 2007 supplemental was included with the 2008 budget addendum

and here is all the ones from 2006 and 2007 made durring the budget year

Supplementals, Amendments, and Releases | The White House

you'll note no supplental here, that would be because they already planned for 50B in the 2007 budget and only needed the specific appropriations and spending authority and the 2007 supplemental is included with the next years addendum.

The numbers, jackass, are the approved budget for 2007 including ALL spending authority without supplementals, and the actuall spending with supplementals. Yes dumbass, they are included. The entire 340B difference you are so obsessed with is government trust funds BUYING notional bonds from the treasury to secure the trust fund with an asset that pays interest intead of just letting the cash sit there and mold. That is what government trust funds do with surplusses, they INVEST them in BONDS (though they are no longer physical but notional; hence, the "IOU" designation). The money they pay for them is counted as "reciepts", because the treasury department does recieve it, but the bond they recieve is not counted as an "asset" in the accounting because when they figure "debt" the only thing they concern themselves with is the total amount of treasuries outstanding, not who holds them, and that is why the only deb figure that matters is the "debt owed to the public" and not intragovernmental debt.

I know this makes things hard for you because it kind of takes all the myths you had in your BDS afflicted mind and trashes them, but those are the FACTS, and there is nothing you can do to make them not facts. The deficit in 2007 was and will remain 161B including ALL receipts and outlays including supplementals. The publicly held debt under bush did not go up nearly as much as you think it did, and under Obama it is out of control. Obama has already surpassed all of the publicly held debt Bush added in 8 years in less than 3, he will have more than doubled it by the time he's done with his one term. Bush took 8 years to do that, and then just barely.

When CON$ are caught lying they just keep on lying, attempting to swamp you in a deluge of lies.

The 2006 supplementals are for the 2006 budget, we are talking about the 2007 budget. The supplemental spending for the GWoT was in the regular 2008 budget proposal and there was NO first, middle or last "FUCKING" sentence that said there was no new spending, only shuffling money already allotted.

See for your "FUCKING" self, :

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy08/pdf/budget/defense.pdf

The President’s 2008 Budget:
• Provides $481.4 billion for the Department of Defense’s base budget—a 62-percent increase
over 2001—to ensure a high level of military readiness as the Department develops
capabilities to meet future threats, defends the homeland, and supports the all-volunteer
force and their families;
• Supports operations in the Global War on Terror by providing an additional $93.4 billion in
supplemental funds for 2007 and $141.7 billion for 2008, including funds to accelerate efforts
to train and equip Iraqi and Afghan Security Forces;

And Bush racked up $4.212 trillion in public debt in his 8 fiscal years and Obama has only racked up $2.203 up to now. Only an ignorant boob would call 2.2 trillion more than 4.2 trillion.
No wonder you can't tell that the total debt increased 500 billion in 2007 to cover the 2007 deficit spending!!!

you can't even read a fucking ballance sheet and your trying to tell me about debt? LOL. what a rube.

I already PROVED it was included in the final deficit numbers. PROVED, dumbass. Nothing you say is going to change that.

as for the debt publicly held debt rose from 3.5T to 6.9T on Bush signature (the other 600B in 2009 was on Obama's signature--not Bush's). Under Obama It's already 10.4T and counting dumbass. thats 3.4T under 8 years of Bush and 3.5T under 3 years of Obama.

You do know what 141B for FY 2008 means don't you moron? It means NOT 2007... fucking idiot.

yes, i already said there was a 98B supplemental (increased by the congress from the 93 Bush requested); however, as I've shown dumbass, the "anticipated spending for the GWoT" covered 50B of it and was included in the BUDGET authorization of 489B. "Anticipated", dumbass... words have meanings. Just like the 70B that was anticipated in 2006 and made a part of that estimate (ended up being 72B), they anticipated 50B for 2007 and it ended up being 98B... only 89B however went to the DoD, which is why the number at the end of the year is only 39B higher than the authorization.

Let us know when you develope any fucking sence at all.

Another avalanche of lies.

You proved nothing, proved your "proof" numbers were bogus.

You said Bush's 8 years and now you backtrack to 7. Bush's public debt went from 3.339 trillion to 7.551 trillion. And the public debt as of 7/15/2011 is 9.754 trillion not 10.4 trillion. So even if we take 600 billion away from Bush's spending and put it on Obama you get 3.3 to 6.9 = 3.6 trillion Bush and 6.9 to 9.8 = 2.9 trillion Obama and even using your stupid rationalizations you are still lying about Obama spending more.

And you know what Supports operations in the Global War on Terror by providing an additional $93.4 billion in
supplemental funds for 2007 means don't you moron? It means NOT 2008... fucking

The total spending for the GWoT in 2007 was 173 billion which is a hell of a lot more than the "anticipated" 50 billion.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That's because of all the carryover from the GOP's wasteful spending. You have 2 wars, the medicare part D, and interest on the 12 trillion GOP debt.

So what you're saying is that your Messiah® hasn't incurred ANY debt?

ROFL

You mindless sycophants are sure funny.

 

[BenNatuf]

When CON$ are caught lying they just keep on lying, attempting to swamp you in a deluge of lies.

The 2006 supplementals are for the 2006 budget, we are talking about the 2007 budget. The supplemental spending for the GWoT was in the regular 2008 budget proposal and there was NO first, middle or last "FUCKING" sentence that said there was no new spending, only shuffling money already allotted.

See for your "FUCKING" self, :

And Bush racked up $4.212 trillion in public debt in his 8 fiscal years and Obama has only racked up $2.203 up to now. Only an ignorant boob would call 2.2 trillion more than 4.2 trillion.
No wonder you can't tell that the total debt increased 500 billion in 2007 to cover the 2007 deficit spending!!!

you can't even read a fucking ballance sheet and your trying to tell me about debt? LOL. what a rube.

I already PROVED it was included in the final deficit numbers. PROVED, dumbass. Nothing you say is going to change that.

as for the debt publicly held debt rose from 3.5T to 6.9T on Bush signature (the other 600B in 2009 was on Obama's signature--not Bush's). Under Obama It's already 10.4T and counting dumbass. thats 3.4T under 8 years of Bush and 3.5T under 3 years of Obama.

You do know what 141B for FY 2008 means don't you moron? It means NOT 2007... fucking idiot.

yes, i already said there was a 98B supplemental (increased by the congress from the 93 Bush requested); however, as I've shown dumbass, the "anticipated spending for the GWoT" covered 50B of it and was included in the BUDGET authorization of 489B. "Anticipated", dumbass... words have meanings. Just like the 70B that was anticipated in 2006 and made a part of that estimate (ended up being 72B), they anticipated 50B for 2007 and it ended up being 98B... only 89B however went to the DoD, which is why the number at the end of the year is only 39B higher than the authorization.

Let us know when you develope any fucking sence at all.

Another avalanche of lies.

You proved nothing, proved your "proof" numbers were bogus.

You said Bush's 8 years and now you backtrack to 7. Bush's public debt went from 3.339 trillion to 7.551 trillion. And the public debt as of 7/15/2011 is 9.754 trillion not 10.4 trillion. So even if we take 600 billion away from Bush's spending and put it on Obama you get 3.3 to 6.9 = 3.6 trillion Bush and 6.9 to 9.8 = 2.9 trillion Obama and even using your stupid rationalizations you are still lying about Obama spending more.

you still can't figure it out. Bush's first budget was for the 2002 FY his las=t wen half way through 2009, if you go back to 2001 dumbass your giving him 9 years.

And you know what Supports operations in the Global War on Terror by providing an additional $93.4 billion in
supplemental funds for 2007 means don't you moron? It means NOT 2008... fucking

no stupid fuck, it was the "anticipated spending of 50B + 39B, the rest of the supplemental did not go to DoD.

The total spending for the GWoT in 2007 was 173 billion which is a hell of a lot more than the "anticipated" 50 billion.

when will you stop lying? The total in 2007 was 89B (the rest of the 98B went to other agencies, he requested 93B dumbass, the congress increased it to 98B), the total in 2006 was 72B, the total in 2008 was 107B (that last is from memory).

You've managed to prove you can't read a ballance sheet, are too stupid to add, don't read well, and lie constantly. Congradualtions stupid fuck.

 

[edthecynic]

That's because of all the carryover from the GOP's wasteful spending. You have 2 wars, the medicare part D, and interest on the 12 trillion GOP debt.

So what you're saying is that your Messiah® hasn't incurred ANY debt?

ROFL

You mindless sycophants are sure funny.

You mindless drones are even funnier!
Obviously since 3 GOP presidents pissed away $12 trillion when you include the interest on their debt, then somebody else had to spend the other $2.5 trillion of debt.
But that is mathematically beyond a DittoTard.

 

[edthecynic]

you can't even read a fucking ballance sheet and your trying to tell me about debt? LOL. what a rube.

I already PROVED it was included in the final deficit numbers. PROVED, dumbass. Nothing you say is going to change that.

as for the debt publicly held debt rose from 3.5T to 6.9T on Bush signature (the other 600B in 2009 was on Obama's signature--not Bush's). Under Obama It's already 10.4T and counting dumbass. thats 3.4T under 8 years of Bush and 3.5T under 3 years of Obama.

You do know what 141B for FY 2008 means don't you moron? It means NOT 2007... fucking idiot.

yes, i already said there was a 98B supplemental (increased by the congress from the 93 Bush requested); however, as I've shown dumbass, the "anticipated spending for the GWoT" covered 50B of it and was included in the BUDGET authorization of 489B. "Anticipated", dumbass... words have meanings. Just like the 70B that was anticipated in 2006 and made a part of that estimate (ended up being 72B), they anticipated 50B for 2007 and it ended up being 98B... only 89B however went to the DoD, which is why the number at the end of the year is only 39B higher than the authorization.

Let us know when you develope any fucking sence at all.

Another avalanche of lies.

You proved nothing, proved your "proof" numbers were bogus.

You said Bush's 8 years and now you backtrack to 7. Bush's public debt went from 3.339 trillion to 7.551 trillion. And the public debt as of 7/15/2011 is 9.754 trillion not 10.4 trillion. So even if we take 600 billion away from Bush's spending and put it on Obama you get 3.3 to 6.9 = 3.6 trillion Bush and 6.9 to 9.8 = 2.9 trillion Obama and even using your stupid rationalizations you are still lying about Obama spending more.

you still can't figure it out. Bush's first budget was for the 2002 FY his las=t wen half way through 2009, if you go back to 2001 dumbass your giving him 9 years.

And you know what Supports operations in the Global War on Terror by providing an additional $93.4 billion in
supplemental funds for 2007 means don't you moron? It means NOT 2008... fucking

no stupid fuck, it was the "anticipated spending of 50B + 39B, the rest of the supplemental did not go to DoD.

The total spending for the GWoT in 2007 was 173 billion which is a hell of a lot more than the "anticipated" 50 billion.

when will you stop lying? The total in 2007 was 89B (the rest of the 98B went to other agencies, he requested 93B dumbass, the congress increased it to 98B), the total in 2006 was 72B, the total in 2008 was 107B (that last is from memory).

You've managed to prove you can't read a ballance sheet, are too stupid to add, don't read well, and lie constantly. Congradualtions stupid fuck.

The 2002 budget STARTS Oct 1, 2001 and the 2009 budget ends Sept 30, 2009, that's 8 years.

And you are not the lease bit embarrassed by your complete stupidity. BUT YOU SHOULD BE

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That's because of all the carryover from the GOP's wasteful spending. You have 2 wars, the medicare part D, and interest on the 12 trillion GOP debt.

So what you're saying is that your Messiah® hasn't incurred ANY debt?

ROFL

You mindless sycophants are sure funny.

And we have always been at war with Eastasia, Obama said so

 

[taichiliberal]

here dumbasses, the budget as passed in 2007 BEFORE budget amendments and supplentals

050 National defense:
Discretionary:
Department of Defense—Military:.....................2005........2006..........2007
Military personnel.......................................119,740....113,481....110,850
Proposed Legislation (non-PAYGO).....................................................-72
Subtotal, Military personnel.........................119,740 113,481 110,778
Operation and maintenance.........................178,566....177,737.....152,286
Proposed Legislation (non-PAYGO)...................................................-249
Subtotal, Operation and maintenance...........178,566.....177,737....152,037
Procurement................................................96,613......86,185......84,197
Anticipated funding for the GWoT..................................70,000......50,000
Research, development, test and evaluation....68,826.......71,046.....73,156
Military construction.......................................7,260.........8,936.....12,613
Family housing..............................................4,099.........4,439.......4,085
Revolving, management, and trusts.................3,807.........4,782.......2,436
Total, Department of Defense—Military.........478,911.....536,606....489,302

Notice 50B estimate for GWot and the FINAL budget authority of 489B



here are the outlays

050 National Defense:
051 Department of Defense-Military:
Military Personnel....................................................127,463........127,543........127,544
Operation and Maintenance.......................................188,118........203,789........216,631
Procurement.............................................................82,294..........89,757..........99,647
Research, Development, Test, and Evaluation...............65,694..........68,629..........73,136
Military Construction....................................................5,331............6,245...........7,899
Family Housing...........................................................3,720............3,717...........3,473
Other.........................................................................1,451.............-383..............218
051 Subtotal, Department of Defense-Military..............474,071.......499,297........528,548
053 Atomic energy defense activities............................18,042........17,468...........17,050
054 Defense-related activities........................................3,195..........5,062.............5,673
Total, National Defense.............................................495,308.......521,827.........551,271

Note the total spending before defence related spending is 528B. Now how could they spen more money they they were approtioned? There is only one way, the budget has to be ammended with supplemental appropriations which you'll find here.

Budget of the United States Government: Budget Amendments and Supplementals 109th Congress, 2d Session

as part of the final deficit with all supplements and amendments here

Budget of the United States Government: Browse Fiscal Year 2007

why is the 50B for "anticipated spending listed in the proposed budget important? Because the difference between the 489B authorized and the 528B soend is 39B which if you add the 50B to you get 89B which was the portion of the 98B appropriated to the DoD in the supplemental, and you can read for yourself in the supplemental how that 50B was not even new spending but was just extending SPECIFIC authority to actually spend the allready authorized (50B) but not speciffically appropriated funds.

Need more?

Compare the 110B originally appropriated for military personel to the 127B actually spent (green). the difference 17B is exactly what was appropriated for additional pay in the supplemental. Thats how it works, supplemental spending is ADDED to current budget authority in the computation of FINAL deficit numbers and anyone who says it's not is LYING to you. It is "off budget" for planning and projection purposes but "on budget" for final computation. If DoD is only given 110B in spending authority for military pay, thats all they can spend unless a supplemental is passed to increase the amount. If they're only appropriated 489B they cannot spend 528B unless the money is appropriated in a supplemental. Your fucking progressive leaders are, as usual, lying to your stupid asses.

Obviously you just plucked a bunch of random numbers and mixed and matched them to get whatever numbers you wanted.

First of all, there are no 2007 DoD supplemental appropriations in your link. Second, in FY 2007, the Defense Department base budget was $498 billion. Added to that was $70 billion in supplemental security spending, which was approved during that fiscal year. The budget for FY 2008 Budget added to that an additional $103.6 billion to be spent in the remainder of that fiscal year (January - October 2007). That meant Supplemental Spending for the WoT for FY 2007 was $173.6 billion. This brought total Military spending for FY 2007 to $671.6 billion. Third, obviously all this extra supplemental defense spending does not show up in your budget outlays numbers, and defense was not the only supplemental spending. So we are back to the fact that deficit spending in 2007 raised the total debt by 500 billion.

Bravo! Once again, careful and comprehensive reading exposes Benny for the myopic neocon BS artist that he is, and Toddy for being Benny's mindless parrot.

But watch them BOTH just ignore what you say and repeat themselves ad nauseum.

 

[taichiliberal]

And Bush racked up $4.212 trillion in public debt in his 8 fiscal years and Obama has only racked up $2.203 up to now. Only an ignorant boob would call 2.2 trillion more than 4.2 trillion.

The fucker has only been in office for two years. At this rate he will exceed Bush by the time he leaves office on Jan 20, 2013 - in half the amount of time.

Note to the Uncensored asshole from 2008......the closing for the Bush budget policies ended in October of 2009. Obama inherited that shit pile when he became President, but has been only working on it since November of 2009....with the Party of NO filibustering and stonewalling all the way!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

here dumbasses, the budget as passed in 2007 BEFORE budget amendments and supplentals

Notice 50B estimate for GWot and the FINAL budget authority of 489B



here are the outlays

Note the total spending before defence related spending is 528B. Now how could they spen more money they they were approtioned? There is only one way, the budget has to be ammended with supplemental appropriations which you'll find here.

Budget of the United States Government: Budget Amendments and Supplementals 109th Congress, 2d Session

as part of the final deficit with all supplements and amendments here

Budget of the United States Government: Browse Fiscal Year 2007

why is the 50B for "anticipated spending listed in the proposed budget important? Because the difference between the 489B authorized and the 528B soend is 39B which if you add the 50B to you get 89B which was the portion of the 98B appropriated to the DoD in the supplemental, and you can read for yourself in the supplemental how that 50B was not even new spending but was just extending SPECIFIC authority to actually spend the allready authorized (50B) but not speciffically appropriated funds.

Need more?

Compare the 110B originally appropriated for military personel to the 127B actually spent (green). the difference 17B is exactly what was appropriated for additional pay in the supplemental. Thats how it works, supplemental spending is ADDED to current budget authority in the computation of FINAL deficit numbers and anyone who says it's not is LYING to you. It is "off budget" for planning and projection purposes but "on budget" for final computation. If DoD is only given 110B in spending authority for military pay, thats all they can spend unless a supplemental is passed to increase the amount. If they're only appropriated 489B they cannot spend 528B unless the money is appropriated in a supplemental. Your fucking progressive leaders are, as usual, lying to your stupid asses.

Obviously you just plucked a bunch of random numbers and mixed and matched them to get whatever numbers you wanted.

First of all, there are no 2007 DoD supplemental appropriations in your link. Second, in FY 2007, the Defense Department base budget was $498 billion. Added to that was $70 billion in supplemental security spending, which was approved during that fiscal year. The budget for FY 2008 Budget added to that an additional $103.6 billion to be spent in the remainder of that fiscal year (January - October 2007). That meant Supplemental Spending for the WoT for FY 2007 was $173.6 billion. This brought total Military spending for FY 2007 to $671.6 billion. Third, obviously all this extra supplemental defense spending does not show up in your budget outlays numbers, and defense was not the only supplemental spending. So we are back to the fact that deficit spending in 2007 raised the total debt by 500 billion.

Bravo! Once again, careful and comprehensive reading exposes Benny for the myopic neocon BS artist that he is, and Toddy for being Benny's mindless parrot.

But watch them BOTH just ignore what you say and repeat themselves ad nauseum.

Do you know how to read a balance sheet, or are you as dumb as your buddy?

 

[BenNatuf]

hey

When CON$ are caught lying they just keep on lying, attempting to swamp you in a deluge of lies.

The 2006 supplementals are for the 2006 budget, we are talking about the 2007 budget. The supplemental spending for the GWoT was in the regular 2008 budget proposal and there was NO first, middle or last "FUCKING" sentence that said there was no new spending, only shuffling money already allotted.

See for your "FUCKING" self, :

And Bush racked up $4.212 trillion in public debt in his 8 fiscal years and Obama has only racked up $2.203 up to now. Only an ignorant boob would call 2.2 trillion more than 4.2 trillion.
No wonder you can't tell that the total debt increased 500 billion in 2007 to cover the 2007 deficit spending!!!

you can't even read a fucking ballance sheet and your trying to tell me about debt? LOL. what a rube.

I already PROVED it was included in the final deficit numbers. PROVED, dumbass. Nothing you say is going to change that.

as for the debt publicly held debt rose from 3.5T to 6.9T on Bush signature (the other 600B in 2009 was on Obama's signature--not Bush's). Under Obama It's already 10.4T and counting dumbass. thats 3.4T under 8 years of Bush and 3.5T under 3 years of Obama.

You do know what 141B for FY 2008 means don't you moron? It means NOT 2007... fucking idiot.

yes, i already said there was a 98B supplemental (increased by the congress from the 93 Bush requested); however, as I've shown dumbass, the "anticipated spending for the GWoT" covered 50B of it and was included in the BUDGET authorization of 489B. "Anticipated", dumbass... words have meanings. Just like the 70B that was anticipated in 2006 and made a part of that estimate (ended up being 72B), they anticipated 50B for 2007 and it ended up being 98B... only 89B however went to the DoD, which is why the number at the end of the year is only 39B higher than the authorization.

Let us know when you develope any fucking sence at all.

Another avalanche of lies.

You proved nothing, proved your "proof" numbers were bogus.

You said Bush's 8 years and now you backtrack to 7. Bush's public debt went from 3.339 trillion to 7.551 trillion. And the public debt as of 7/15/2011 is 9.754 trillion not 10.4 trillion. So even if we take 600 billion away from Bush's spending and put it on Obama you get 3.3 to 6.9 = 3.6 trillion Bush and 6.9 to 9.8 = 2.9 trillion Obama and even using your stupid rationalizations you are still lying about Obama spending more.

And you know what Supports operations in the Global War on Terror by providing an additional $93.4 billion in
supplemental funds for 2007 means don't you moron? It means NOT 2008... fucking

The total spending for the GWoT in 2007 was 173 billion which is a hell of a lot more than the "anticipated" 50 billion.

hey stupid ass, if you include 2001 and 2009 thats 9 years.

what a fucking moron.

Pick the 8 years you want to count

end of 2001 through the end of 2008

end of 2002 through about 2/3 of 2009 (Obama signed the second half budget and stimulack and spent more TRAP money.)

I'm going with the WORSE case scenario for Bush 2002 (his first budget year) through about 2/3 of 2009.

But since you want to start in 2001 (Clinton's last Budget year) we can

and the 93B dumbass, was increased to 98B by the congress (as you've already been told) and INCLUDES the 50B that was previously "anticipated" in budget authority but not authorized in appropriations.

I'm done with you, you are far too stupid to bother with.

 

[BenNatuf]

here dumbasses, the budget as passed in 2007 BEFORE budget amendments and supplentals

Notice 50B estimate for GWot and the FINAL budget authority of 489B



here are the outlays

Note the total spending before defence related spending is 528B. Now how could they spen more money they they were approtioned? There is only one way, the budget has to be ammended with supplemental appropriations which you'll find here.

Budget of the United States Government: Budget Amendments and Supplementals 109th Congress, 2d Session

as part of the final deficit with all supplements and amendments here

Budget of the United States Government: Browse Fiscal Year 2007

why is the 50B for "anticipated spending listed in the proposed budget important? Because the difference between the 489B authorized and the 528B soend is 39B which if you add the 50B to you get 89B which was the portion of the 98B appropriated to the DoD in the supplemental, and you can read for yourself in the supplemental how that 50B was not even new spending but was just extending SPECIFIC authority to actually spend the allready authorized (50B) but not speciffically appropriated funds.

Need more?

Compare the 110B originally appropriated for military personel to the 127B actually spent (green). the difference 17B is exactly what was appropriated for additional pay in the supplemental. Thats how it works, supplemental spending is ADDED to current budget authority in the computation of FINAL deficit numbers and anyone who says it's not is LYING to you. It is "off budget" for planning and projection purposes but "on budget" for final computation. If DoD is only given 110B in spending authority for military pay, thats all they can spend unless a supplemental is passed to increase the amount. If they're only appropriated 489B they cannot spend 528B unless the money is appropriated in a supplemental. Your fucking progressive leaders are, as usual, lying to your stupid asses.

Obviously you just plucked a bunch of random numbers and mixed and matched them to get whatever numbers you wanted.

First of all, there are no 2007 DoD supplemental appropriations in your link. Second, in FY 2007, the Defense Department base budget was $498 billion. Added to that was $70 billion in supplemental security spending, which was approved during that fiscal year. The budget for FY 2008 Budget added to that an additional $103.6 billion to be spent in the remainder of that fiscal year (January - October 2007). That meant Supplemental Spending for the WoT for FY 2007 was $173.6 billion. This brought total Military spending for FY 2007 to $671.6 billion. Third, obviously all this extra supplemental defense spending does not show up in your budget outlays numbers, and defense was not the only supplemental spending. So we are back to the fact that deficit spending in 2007 raised the total debt by 500 billion.

Bravo! Once again, careful and comprehensive reading exposes Benny for the myopic neocon BS artist that he is, and Toddy for being Benny's mindless parrot.

But watch them BOTH just ignore what you say and repeat themselves ad nauseum.

Why would I ignore his errors?

The 70B was actually approriated for the 2006 budget year and the 103B for 2008. The TOTAL spending for GWoT in 2007 was 98B that was appropriated in the supplemental and includes 50B in budget authority that was previously unappropriated.

The TOTAL deficit for 2007 including ALL spending was 161B. That fact is not going to change no matter how much you wish to believe lies.

The both of you together not having a brain cell to rub together is nothing anyone needs to avoid.