Albert Einstein: Up Close and Personal!

[hobelim]

One God. Period. No "coequals." Note the name "Jesus Christ." Jesus is a perfect Man. Christ is God. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. Same God as the Father only revealing Himself in the Person of Jesus.

This is where you have wandered into silliness.

There has never been and never shall be a human being who was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

God is incorporeal, he has no physical shape or material form. Jesus said that God is the source of his existence. Any being whose source is God cannot be God.

If God revealed himself in the person of Jesus Christ it was through his word that Jesus received like manna from heaven that became his own flesh, a body of teaching, given for the life of the world, a revelation about the only right way to understand and comply with the divine commands that leads to the eternal life promised for obedience that had been lost to time ever since the death of Moses..

The key is given in the first chapter of John where it clearly states that the word of God became flesh, a metaphor for teaching, in the person of Jesus Christ.

This did not make Jesus God anymore than receiving the words of God made Moses or any of the other prophets who learned from God and spoke for him God..

John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

A God Who is able to create an entire universe and all life on it can visit His creation in a vessel of His own creation. Not hard to understand.

That is simply untrue.

God is incorporeal and has no material shape or physical form. It is impossible that God would become something that he is not and what a human being could never be.

The word became flesh is simply the author establishing that flesh is a metaphor for teaching from God in words that are both spirit and life that came into the world through Jesus in what he said was his own flesh, a metaphor for the body of teaching that was from God and received in him.

and as far as 'he shall be called mighty god', being called mighty god is not the same thing as actually being God.

There never was and never shall be a human being that was God or became God either before, during or after their human existence.

The entire teaching of the torah is a testimony against the lie prevalent in the ancient world that a human being could also be a god.

If you don't know that you don't know your A, B, C's.

 

[Hollie]

One God. Period. No "coequals." Note the name "Jesus Christ." Jesus is a perfect Man. Christ is God. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. Same God as the Father only revealing Himself in the Person of Jesus.

This is where you have wandered into silliness.

There has never been and never shall be a human being who was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

God is incorporeal, he has no physical shape or material form. Jesus said that God is the source of his existence. Any being whose source is God cannot be God.

If God revealed himself in the person of Jesus Christ it was through his word that Jesus received like manna from heaven that became his own flesh, a body of teaching, given for the life of the world, a revelation about the only right way to understand and comply with the divine commands that leads to the eternal life promised for obedience that had been lost to time ever since the death of Moses..

The key is given in the first chapter of John where it clearly states that the word of God became flesh, a metaphor for teaching, in the person of Jesus Christ.

This did not make Jesus God anymore than receiving the words of God made Moses or any of the other prophets who learned from God and spoke for him God..

John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

A God Who is able to create an entire universe and all life on it can visit His creation in a vessel of His own creation. Not hard to understand.

While some arguments are circular, you offer not just circular, nonsensical arguments but viciously circular, nonsensical arguments and of course, those like you won't challenge them.

Using the bibles to prove your gods are true is a viciously circular argument. If you drill down on this, of what use or need are gods who are uninvolved? Why the requirement to opt for sentient, intelligent, and somehow "alive" beings-- what's the point? To satisfy some anthropomorphic desire? Human egotism?

 

[DriftingSand]

Sure. Just that simple.
So simple, in fact, that it took 400 years to come up with this theology that was accepted on a split vote and which many still reject to this day.
Clear as mud.

Clear as mud to YOU. Clear as spring water to me.

But historically a theological cluster.

All under God's control. The finished product is all that counts. The Bible provides the believer everything he or she needs to know to be saved. In the end ... that's all that matters.

 

[DriftingSand]

This is where you have wandered into silliness.

There has never been and never shall be a human being who was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

God is incorporeal, he has no physical shape or material form. Jesus said that God is the source of his existence. Any being whose source is God cannot be God.

If God revealed himself in the person of Jesus Christ it was through his word that Jesus received like manna from heaven that became his own flesh, a body of teaching, given for the life of the world, a revelation about the only right way to understand and comply with the divine commands that leads to the eternal life promised for obedience that had been lost to time ever since the death of Moses..

The key is given in the first chapter of John where it clearly states that the word of God became flesh, a metaphor for teaching, in the person of Jesus Christ.

This did not make Jesus God anymore than receiving the words of God made Moses or any of the other prophets who learned from God and spoke for him God..

John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

A God Who is able to create an entire universe and all life on it can visit His creation in a vessel of His own creation. Not hard to understand.

While some arguments are circular, you offer not just circular, nonsensical arguments but viciously circular, nonsensical arguments and of course, those like you won't challenge them.

Using the bibles to prove your gods are true is a viciously circular argument. If you drill down on this, of what use or need are gods who are uninvolved? Why the requirement to opt for sentient, intelligent, and somehow "alive" beings-- what's the point? To satisfy some anthropomorphic desire? Human egotism?

If someone -- anyone could prove that the Bible is NOT God's message to His creation then I would stop using it immediately. But, alas, nobody can.

 

[DriftingSand]

This is where you have wandered into silliness.

There has never been and never shall be a human being who was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

God is incorporeal, he has no physical shape or material form. Jesus said that God is the source of his existence. Any being whose source is God cannot be God.

If God revealed himself in the person of Jesus Christ it was through his word that Jesus received like manna from heaven that became his own flesh, a body of teaching, given for the life of the world, a revelation about the only right way to understand and comply with the divine commands that leads to the eternal life promised for obedience that had been lost to time ever since the death of Moses..

The key is given in the first chapter of John where it clearly states that the word of God became flesh, a metaphor for teaching, in the person of Jesus Christ.

This did not make Jesus God anymore than receiving the words of God made Moses or any of the other prophets who learned from God and spoke for him God..

John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

A God Who is able to create an entire universe and all life on it can visit His creation in a vessel of His own creation. Not hard to understand.

That is simply untrue.

God is incorporeal and has no material shape or physical form. It is impossible that God would become something that he is not and what a human being could never be.

The word became flesh is simply the author establishing that flesh is a metaphor for teaching from God in words that are both spirit and life that came into the world through Jesus in what he said was his own flesh, a metaphor for the body of teaching that was from God and received in him.

and as far as 'he shall be called mighty god', being called mighty god is not the same thing as actually being God.

There never was and never shall be a human being that was God or became God either before, during or after their human existence.

The entire teaching of the torah is a testimony against the lie prevalent in the ancient world that a human being could also be a god.

If you don't know that you don't know your A, B, C's.

It's true if you believe in God and believe that He's able to communicate with His creation. If you can't come to an understanding of God then clearly you'll never come to an understanding of His Word. It's really that simple.

 

[Hollie]

John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

A God Who is able to create an entire universe and all life on it can visit His creation in a vessel of His own creation. Not hard to understand.

While some arguments are circular, you offer not just circular, nonsensical arguments but viciously circular, nonsensical arguments and of course, those like you won't challenge them.

Using the bibles to prove your gods are true is a viciously circular argument. If you drill down on this, of what use or need are gods who are uninvolved? Why the requirement to opt for sentient, intelligent, and somehow "alive" beings-- what's the point? To satisfy some anthropomorphic desire? Human egotism?

If someone -- anyone could prove that the Bible is NOT God's message to His creation then I would stop using it immediately. But, alas, nobody can.

You are comfortable with a viciously circular argument in support of your gods. I'm happy for you. I don't see crushes of people looking to prove other "holy texts" are NOT the messages of competing gods so your "prove it isn't" argument is really with other religions and other gods. Remember, the argument for whose gods are bigger and badder is usually decided by caliber of weapon and volume of fire.

I will make one other point. I actually can prove that the Bible is NOT God's message. Prove I can't.

 

[Steven_R]

John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

A God Who is able to create an entire universe and all life on it can visit His creation in a vessel of His own creation. Not hard to understand.

While some arguments are circular, you offer not just circular, nonsensical arguments but viciously circular, nonsensical arguments and of course, those like you won't challenge them.

Using the bibles to prove your gods are true is a viciously circular argument. If you drill down on this, of what use or need are gods who are uninvolved? Why the requirement to opt for sentient, intelligent, and somehow "alive" beings-- what's the point? To satisfy some anthropomorphic desire? Human egotism?

If someone -- anyone could prove that the Bible is NOT God's message to His creation then I would stop using it immediately. But, alas, nobody can.

Given the sheer number of contradictions and factual errors either God needs a better editor or man has so completely screwed the Bible up to make it a complete mess. Or God could come down Himself and give us the errata.

 

[Hollie]

John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

A God Who is able to create an entire universe and all life on it can visit His creation in a vessel of His own creation. Not hard to understand.

That is simply untrue.

God is incorporeal and has no material shape or physical form. It is impossible that God would become something that he is not and what a human being could never be.

The word became flesh is simply the author establishing that flesh is a metaphor for teaching from God in words that are both spirit and life that came into the world through Jesus in what he said was his own flesh, a metaphor for the body of teaching that was from God and received in him.

and as far as 'he shall be called mighty god', being called mighty god is not the same thing as actually being God.

There never was and never shall be a human being that was God or became God either before, during or after their human existence.

The entire teaching of the torah is a testimony against the lie prevalent in the ancient world that a human being could also be a god.

If you don't know that you don't know your A, B, C's.

It's true if you believe in God and believe that He's able to communicate with His creation. If you can't come to an understanding of God then clearly you'll never come to an understanding of His Word. It's really that simple.

I communicate with several of the gods on a regular basis. They all tell me that the gods of Christianity long ago quit their jobs or were fired.

It's really that simple.

 

[DriftingSand]

While some arguments are circular, you offer not just circular, nonsensical arguments but viciously circular, nonsensical arguments and of course, those like you won't challenge them.

Using the bibles to prove your gods are true is a viciously circular argument. If you drill down on this, of what use or need are gods who are uninvolved? Why the requirement to opt for sentient, intelligent, and somehow "alive" beings-- what's the point? To satisfy some anthropomorphic desire? Human egotism?

If someone -- anyone could prove that the Bible is NOT God's message to His creation then I would stop using it immediately. But, alas, nobody can.

Given the sheer number of contradictions and factual errors either God needs a better editor or man has so completely screwed the Bible up to make it a complete mess. Or God could come down Himself and give us the errata.

I hear that argument often but nobody ever provides any convincing evidence -- including you.

 

[DriftingSand]

That is simply untrue.

God is incorporeal and has no material shape or physical form. It is impossible that God would become something that he is not and what a human being could never be.

The word became flesh is simply the author establishing that flesh is a metaphor for teaching from God in words that are both spirit and life that came into the world through Jesus in what he said was his own flesh, a metaphor for the body of teaching that was from God and received in him.

and as far as 'he shall be called mighty god', being called mighty god is not the same thing as actually being God.

There never was and never shall be a human being that was God or became God either before, during or after their human existence.

The entire teaching of the torah is a testimony against the lie prevalent in the ancient world that a human being could also be a god.

If you don't know that you don't know your A, B, C's.

It's true if you believe in God and believe that He's able to communicate with His creation. If you can't come to an understanding of God then clearly you'll never come to an understanding of His Word. It's really that simple.

I communicate with several of the gods on a regular basis. They all tell me that the gods of Christianity long ago quit their jobs or were fired.

It's really that simple.

The Bible warns us to make sure the "spirit" are from Him:

1 John 4:1, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

Looks like you may have fallen for the false doctrines of the false prophets. There's still time to cast aside any falsehoods and accept Christ's truth.

 

[DriftingSand]

This thread deals with Einstein and his acceptance of the possibility of God's existence. As hard as you've all tried you have yet to deny the proper conclusion -- Einstein was closer to a belief in God than any of you are.

 

[Political Junky]

Religious views of Albert Einstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
<excerpt>
On the question of an afterlife Einstein stated to a Baptist pastor, "I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."[17] This sentiment was also expressed in Einstein's The World as I See It, stating: "I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls. Enough for me the mystery of the eternity of life, and the inkling of the marvellous structure of reality, together with the single-hearted endeavour to comprehend a portion, be it never so tiny, of the reason that manifests itself in nature."[18]

 

[SmedlyButler]

Religious views of Albert Einstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
<excerpt>
On the question of an afterlife Einstein stated to a Baptist pastor, "I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."[17] This sentiment was also expressed in Einstein's The World as I See It, stating: "I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls. Enough for me the mystery of the eternity of life, and the inkling of the marvellous structure of reality, together with the single-hearted endeavour to comprehend a portion, be it never so tiny, of the reason that manifests itself in nature."[18]

reverence for the mysteries of nature. Some call Feynman the second greatest scientific mind of the 20th century. Maybe it's a case of "great minds think alike". He said;

"But I don't have to know an answer. I don't feel frightened by not knowing things, by being lost in a mysterious universe without any purpose, which is the way it really is, so far as I can tell. It doesn't frighten me."

And I love this quote of his about Einstein;

"Einstein was a giant. His head was in the clouds, but his feet were on the ground. Those of us who are not so tall have to choose!"

 

[SmedlyButler]

When I started working, I worked with a guy who had met Einstein in the 50s. He was working for RCA in NJ and was installing some equipment in Einsteins lab in Princeton

So I asked him what it was like to meet one of the greatest geniuses in history. He told me.....God, did that guy stink. I could not stand being in the same room as him.

I read this post! I will not allow one jot or tittle to defile the image of transendent perfection I hold so dear.

 

[Steven_R]

If someone -- anyone could prove that the Bible is NOT God's message to His creation then I would stop using it immediately. But, alas, nobody can.

Given the sheer number of contradictions and factual errors either God needs a better editor or man has so completely screwed the Bible up to make it a complete mess. Or God could come down Himself and give us the errata.

I hear that argument often but nobody ever provides any convincing evidence -- including you.

Let me google that for you

A List Of Biblical Contradictions
Biblical Contradictions
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...interactive-chart-of-biblical-contradictions/
The Thinking Atheist - | Bible Contradictions

 

[Hollie]

It's true if you believe in God and believe that He's able to communicate with His creation. If you can't come to an understanding of God then clearly you'll never come to an understanding of His Word. It's really that simple.

I communicate with several of the gods on a regular basis. They all tell me that the gods of Christianity long ago quit their jobs or were fired.

It's really that simple.

The Bible warns us to make sure the "spirit" are from Him:

1 John 4:1, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

Looks like you may have fallen for the false doctrines of the false prophets. There's still time to cast aside any falsehoods and accept Christ's truth.

Using a false doctrine, the bibles, to prove the bibles true is an old ploy of religionists and a waste of time.

You cast aside Christianity and accept Islam which is the final revelation from the gods. We know this to be true because Mo' said so.

 

[DriftingSand]

Given the sheer number of contradictions and factual errors either God needs a better editor or man has so completely screwed the Bible up to make it a complete mess. Or God could come down Himself and give us the errata.

I hear that argument often but nobody ever provides any convincing evidence -- including you.

Let me google that for you

A List Of Biblical Contradictions
Biblical Contradictions
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...interactive-chart-of-biblical-contradictions/
The Thinking Atheist - | Bible Contradictions

I could post a list of links positing the opposite viewpoint. But since YOU have no arguments or evidence I must conclude that you're too lazy to think for yourself. Enjoy your bliss.

 

[DriftingSand]

Given the sheer number of contradictions and factual errors either God needs a better editor or man has so completely screwed the Bible up to make it a complete mess. Or God could come down Himself and give us the errata.

I hear that argument often but nobody ever provides any convincing evidence -- including you.

Let me google that for you

A List Of Biblical Contradictions
Biblical Contradictions
An Incredible Interactive Chart of Biblical Contradictions
The Thinking Atheist - | Bible Contradictions

I could post a list of links positing the opposite viewpoint. But since YOU have no arguments or evidence I must conclude that you're too lazy to think for yourself. Enjoy your bliss.

Double posted for some reason???

 

[Steven_R]

You can produce links explaining how obvious contradictions really aren't contradictions? Please do. I really need to see how Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John each had Jesus giving different last statements, but how they actually said exactly the same thing.

 

[DriftingSand]

I communicate with several of the gods on a regular basis. They all tell me that the gods of Christianity long ago quit their jobs or were fired.

It's really that simple.

The Bible warns us to make sure the "spirit" are from Him:

1 John 4:1, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

Looks like you may have fallen for the false doctrines of the false prophets. There's still time to cast aside any falsehoods and accept Christ's truth.

Using a false doctrine, the bibles, to prove the bibles true is an old ploy of religionists and a waste of time.

You cast aside Christianity and accept Islam which is the final revelation from the gods. We know this to be true because Mo' said so.

You want them to be false doctrine but you don't know if they are or not. You're just guessing based on your hatred for all things Christian. I see that Buddhism, Islam, Taoism, Hinduism, Judaism, and many other religious beliefs lack the total control and power that Christianity has over you. Every time I see you in the religious section I know that it's because Christianity eats at you with great fervor. You're deeply attracted to the topic.