All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

[rylah]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I don't know what you mean by this.

That means that Palestine remained undivided.

Nothing else about resolution 181 matters.

(FACTS)

The UN action was taken pursuant to the Charter.

The Arab Palestinians absolutely refused to cooperate; just as they have done so many times before.

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine. The territory that the Trustee Program, through the recommendation of the UN Special Committee for Palestine, was outlined in the approved recommendations outlined in A/RES/181 (II). The Arab Palestinians were not satisfied with that.

The Arab League, opposing the establishment of a Jewish State, attempted to illegally intervene (unsuccessfully). A series of poor decisions on the part of the Arab League, the adjacent Arab States and the various criminal and militant factions within the Arab Palestinian Community has lead the Arab Palestinians to the unhappy conditions and environment we have today.

(COMMENT)

Whether or not the Arab Palestinians accept the decisions of decades past, and whether or not the actions taken that have developed into the situation now in the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, are what they are. Israel (the Jerusalem Government) has an absolute and uncompromising fiduciary responsibility to the citizens of the State of Israel, as well as the Jewish people world-wide in the Aliyah process; now and into the future. There is no reason to believe that the Israelis are going to make any sacrifice in any negotiated effort with the Arab Palestinians that would endanger the Jewish population.

........View attachment 283195
Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine.

Who says? Link?

Customary international law supports the concept of self-determination of peoples. When tested, this concept of self-determination of peoples takes precedence over territorial integrity.

This means, regardless of who you think has sovereign territorial control over the whole, or who you think should have sovereign territorial control over the whole, each of the two peoples has has a right to self-determination over some territory. The only question is where the border(s) are going to go.

There weren't two peoples. Colonial settlers are not "a people."

Except of course when they're Arabs, right?
Oh wait...

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I don't know what you mean by this.

That means that Palestine remained undivided.

Nothing else about resolution 181 matters.

(FACTS)

The UN action was taken pursuant to the Charter.

The Arab Palestinians absolutely refused to cooperate; just as they have done so many times before.

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine. The territory that the Trustee Program, through the recommendation of the UN Special Committee for Palestine, was outlined in the approved recommendations outlined in A/RES/181 (II). The Arab Palestinians were not satisfied with that.

The Arab League, opposing the establishment of a Jewish State, attempted to illegally intervene (unsuccessfully). A series of poor decisions on the part of the Arab League, the adjacent Arab States and the various criminal and militant factions within the Arab Palestinian Community has lead the Arab Palestinians to the unhappy conditions and environment we have today.

(COMMENT)

Whether or not the Arab Palestinians accept the decisions of decades past, and whether or not the actions taken that have developed into the situation now in the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, are what they are. Israel (the Jerusalem Government) has an absolute and uncompromising fiduciary responsibility to the citizens of the State of Israel, as well as the Jewish people world-wide in the Aliyah process; now and into the future. There is no reason to believe that the Israelis are going to make any sacrifice in any negotiated effort with the Arab Palestinians that would endanger the Jewish population.

........View attachment 283195
Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine.

Who says? Link?

Customary international law supports the concept of self-determination of peoples. When tested, this concept of self-determination of peoples takes precedence over territorial integrity.

This means, regardless of who you think has sovereign territorial control over the whole, or who you think should have sovereign territorial control over the whole, each of the two peoples has has a right to self-determination over some territory. The only question is where the border(s) are going to go.

There weren't two peoples. Colonial settlers are not "a people."

Yep. I’ve debated this subject for decades and ultimately everyone who argues against Israel holds this idea that the Jewish people don’t really exist at their foundation. It’s the END point of every discussion and every argument is built upon and around this fundamental ideology. And, of course, not one of them can come up with an objective, universal definition of “people”.

Btw, you’ve just argued that Americans, among others, have no right to self-determination because they are colonial settlers. Did you really want to go with that?

everyone who argues against Israel holds this idea that the Jewish people don’t really exist at their foundation.

When have I ever mentioned Jews?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Just as a matter of notice, Ambassador Jerry Matjila is the rotation President of the Council for the month of October. And Ambassador Matjila is from "South Africa." South Africa ranks 113th on the Human Development Index (HDI); and Palestine ranks 119th on the HDI. In contrast, Israel ranks 22d on the HDI.

Why would anyone take the recommendation of South Africa and apply it to a country which has a very high level of human development. GET REAL!

Of all the Arab League Nations, only Oman (Ranking 48th)(GDP ≈ $80B) and Kuwait (Ranking 56th)(GDP ≈ $113B and an Oil Reserve of < 100B Barrels) hold a status of being very high in human development, and yet Israel still out-streches the both of them (GDP ≈ $360B). Of the Arab Countries, only the UAE and Saudi Arabia have a higher GDP.

Matjila: UN did not implement any of its resolutions on Palestine

South Africa’s ambassador to the UN Jerry Matjila has criticized the UN for not implementing any of its 72 resolutions which it has adopted on Palestine since 1948.

Matjila, president of the Security Council for the month of October, made his remarks to al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper about the international community’s failure to help the Palestinian people achieve their aspirations for independence and freedom.

As a representative of his country, Matjila described South Africa’s position on the Palestinian cause and its support for the Palestinian people and their legitimate rights as “well-known and unquestionable.”

Matjila: UN did not implement any of its resolutions on Palestine

(COMMENT)

I am not surprised that someone like Ambassador Matjila would make such a remark to the Palestinian expatriates News Outlet - al-Quds al-Arabi. It is a propaganda machine.

What I am surprized at is that you (P F Tinmore) would seem to support intervention by external forces.

I ask again, when did the Ramallah Government have control over the West Bank or Jerusalem?

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:

b ) a defined territory; The Ramallah Government has no control over a defined territory.
​

The big broad point is that the UN has nothing to offer to the situation. The only thing they can do is impair the most successfull country in the entire region for the sake of the most courrupt and terrorist laden country in the region. What purpose does that serve the inhabitants of the region.

Remember, the donor nations support for the UN Refugee and Works Agency (UNRWA), knowing just how strong the allegations of corruption are against the leadership's of its top officials, demonstrates that they are willing to perpetuate such behaviors on the part of the Arab Palestinians.

........View attachment 282989
Most Respectfully,
R

Holy deflection, Batman!

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:

b ) a defined territory; The Ramallah Government has no control over a defined territory.

Israel never had a defined territory. What is your point?

Israel never had a defined territory.

Has one now, eh?

 

[Shusha]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I don't know what you mean by this.

(FACTS)

The UN action was taken pursuant to the Charter.

The Arab Palestinians absolutely refused to cooperate; just as they have done so many times before.

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine. The territory that the Trustee Program, through the recommendation of the UN Special Committee for Palestine, was outlined in the approved recommendations outlined in A/RES/181 (II). The Arab Palestinians were not satisfied with that.

The Arab League, opposing the establishment of a Jewish State, attempted to illegally intervene (unsuccessfully). A series of poor decisions on the part of the Arab League, the adjacent Arab States and the various criminal and militant factions within the Arab Palestinian Community has lead the Arab Palestinians to the unhappy conditions and environment we have today.

(COMMENT)

Whether or not the Arab Palestinians accept the decisions of decades past, and whether or not the actions taken that have developed into the situation now in the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, are what they are. Israel (the Jerusalem Government) has an absolute and uncompromising fiduciary responsibility to the citizens of the State of Israel, as well as the Jewish people world-wide in the Aliyah process; now and into the future. There is no reason to believe that the Israelis are going to make any sacrifice in any negotiated effort with the Arab Palestinians that would endanger the Jewish population.

........View attachment 283195
Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine.

Who says? Link?

Customary international law supports the concept of self-determination of peoples. When tested, this concept of self-determination of peoples takes precedence over territorial integrity.

This means, regardless of who you think has sovereign territorial control over the whole, or who you think should have sovereign territorial control over the whole, each of the two peoples has has a right to self-determination over some territory. The only question is where the border(s) are going to go.

There weren't two peoples. Colonial settlers are not "a people."

Yep. I’ve debated this subject for decades and ultimately everyone who argues against Israel holds this idea that the Jewish people don’t really exist at their foundation. It’s the END point of every discussion and every argument is built upon and around this fundamental ideology. And, of course, not one of them can come up with an objective, universal definition of “people”.

Btw, you’ve just argued that Americans, among others, have no right to self-determination because they are colonial settlers. Did you really want to go with that?

everyone who argues against Israel holds this idea that the Jewish people don’t really exist at their foundation.

When have I ever mentioned Jews?

When you said there was not a second people with respect to self-determination.

 

[Hollie]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Just as a matter of notice, Ambassador Jerry Matjila is the rotation President of the Council for the month of October. And Ambassador Matjila is from "South Africa." South Africa ranks 113th on the Human Development Index (HDI); and Palestine ranks 119th on the HDI. In contrast, Israel ranks 22d on the HDI.

Why would anyone take the recommendation of South Africa and apply it to a country which has a very high level of human development. GET REAL!

Of all the Arab League Nations, only Oman (Ranking 48th)(GDP ≈ $80B) and Kuwait (Ranking 56th)(GDP ≈ $113B and an Oil Reserve of < 100B Barrels) hold a status of being very high in human development, and yet Israel still out-streches the both of them (GDP ≈ $360B). Of the Arab Countries, only the UAE and Saudi Arabia have a higher GDP.

Matjila: UN did not implement any of its resolutions on Palestine

South Africa’s ambassador to the UN Jerry Matjila has criticized the UN for not implementing any of its 72 resolutions which it has adopted on Palestine since 1948.

Matjila, president of the Security Council for the month of October, made his remarks to al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper about the international community’s failure to help the Palestinian people achieve their aspirations for independence and freedom.

As a representative of his country, Matjila described South Africa’s position on the Palestinian cause and its support for the Palestinian people and their legitimate rights as “well-known and unquestionable.”

Matjila: UN did not implement any of its resolutions on Palestine

(COMMENT)

I am not surprised that someone like Ambassador Matjila would make such a remark to the Palestinian expatriates News Outlet - al-Quds al-Arabi. It is a propaganda machine.

What I am surprized at is that you (P F Tinmore) would seem to support intervention by external forces.

I ask again, when did the Ramallah Government have control over the West Bank or Jerusalem?

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:

b ) a defined territory; The Ramallah Government has no control over a defined territory.
​

The big broad point is that the UN has nothing to offer to the situation. The only thing they can do is impair the most successfull country in the entire region for the sake of the most courrupt and terrorist laden country in the region. What purpose does that serve the inhabitants of the region.

Remember, the donor nations support for the UN Refugee and Works Agency (UNRWA), knowing just how strong the allegations of corruption are against the leadership's of its top officials, demonstrates that they are willing to perpetuate such behaviors on the part of the Arab Palestinians.

........View attachment 282989
Most Respectfully,
R

Holy deflection, Batman!

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:

b ) a defined territory; The Ramallah Government has no control over a defined territory.

Israel never had a defined territory. What is your point?

Israel never had a defined territory.

Has one now, eh?

I suppose P F Tinmore is just in denial about the wars fought and won by Israel in response to Arab-Moslem aggression. Israel repeatedly defended a defined territory.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who says? Link?

Customary international law supports the concept of self-determination of peoples. When tested, this concept of self-determination of peoples takes precedence over territorial integrity.

This means, regardless of who you think has sovereign territorial control over the whole, or who you think should have sovereign territorial control over the whole, each of the two peoples has has a right to self-determination over some territory. The only question is where the border(s) are going to go.

There weren't two peoples. Colonial settlers are not "a people."

Yep. I’ve debated this subject for decades and ultimately everyone who argues against Israel holds this idea that the Jewish people don’t really exist at their foundation. It’s the END point of every discussion and every argument is built upon and around this fundamental ideology. And, of course, not one of them can come up with an objective, universal definition of “people”.

Btw, you’ve just argued that Americans, among others, have no right to self-determination because they are colonial settlers. Did you really want to go with that?

everyone who argues against Israel holds this idea that the Jewish people don’t really exist at their foundation.

When have I ever mentioned Jews?

When you said there was not a second people with respect to self-determination.

Could apply to anyone. Religion is irrelevant.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Just as a matter of notice, Ambassador Jerry Matjila is the rotation President of the Council for the month of October. And Ambassador Matjila is from "South Africa." South Africa ranks 113th on the Human Development Index (HDI); and Palestine ranks 119th on the HDI. In contrast, Israel ranks 22d on the HDI.

Why would anyone take the recommendation of South Africa and apply it to a country which has a very high level of human development. GET REAL!

Of all the Arab League Nations, only Oman (Ranking 48th)(GDP ≈ $80B) and Kuwait (Ranking 56th)(GDP ≈ $113B and an Oil Reserve of < 100B Barrels) hold a status of being very high in human development, and yet Israel still out-streches the both of them (GDP ≈ $360B). Of the Arab Countries, only the UAE and Saudi Arabia have a higher GDP.

Matjila: UN did not implement any of its resolutions on Palestine

South Africa’s ambassador to the UN Jerry Matjila has criticized the UN for not implementing any of its 72 resolutions which it has adopted on Palestine since 1948.

Matjila, president of the Security Council for the month of October, made his remarks to al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper about the international community’s failure to help the Palestinian people achieve their aspirations for independence and freedom.

As a representative of his country, Matjila described South Africa’s position on the Palestinian cause and its support for the Palestinian people and their legitimate rights as “well-known and unquestionable.”

Matjila: UN did not implement any of its resolutions on Palestine

(COMMENT)

I am not surprised that someone like Ambassador Matjila would make such a remark to the Palestinian expatriates News Outlet - al-Quds al-Arabi. It is a propaganda machine.

What I am surprized at is that you (P F Tinmore) would seem to support intervention by external forces.

I ask again, when did the Ramallah Government have control over the West Bank or Jerusalem?

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:

b ) a defined territory; The Ramallah Government has no control over a defined territory.
​

The big broad point is that the UN has nothing to offer to the situation. The only thing they can do is impair the most successfull country in the entire region for the sake of the most courrupt and terrorist laden country in the region. What purpose does that serve the inhabitants of the region.

Remember, the donor nations support for the UN Refugee and Works Agency (UNRWA), knowing just how strong the allegations of corruption are against the leadership's of its top officials, demonstrates that they are willing to perpetuate such behaviors on the part of the Arab Palestinians.

........View attachment 282989
Most Respectfully,
R

Holy deflection, Batman!

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:

b ) a defined territory; The Ramallah Government has no control over a defined territory.

Israel never had a defined territory. What is your point?

Israel never had a defined territory.

Has one now, eh?

I suppose P F Tinmore is just in denial about the wars fought and won by Israel in response to Arab-Moslem aggression. Israel repeatedly defended a defined territory.

Palestine has never had a military. They have never been at war with anyone.

 

[Shusha]

Customary international law supports the concept of self-determination of peoples. When tested, this concept of self-determination of peoples takes precedence over territorial integrity.

This means, regardless of who you think has sovereign territorial control over the whole, or who you think should have sovereign territorial control over the whole, each of the two peoples has has a right to self-determination over some territory. The only question is where the border(s) are going to go.

There weren't two peoples. Colonial settlers are not "a people."

Yep. I’ve debated this subject for decades and ultimately everyone who argues against Israel holds this idea that the Jewish people don’t really exist at their foundation. It’s the END point of every discussion and every argument is built upon and around this fundamental ideology. And, of course, not one of them can come up with an objective, universal definition of “people”.

Btw, you’ve just argued that Americans, among others, have no right to self-determination because they are colonial settlers. Did you really want to go with that?

everyone who argues against Israel holds this idea that the Jewish people don’t really exist at their foundation.

When have I ever mentioned Jews?

When you said there was not a second people with respect to self-determination.

Could apply to anyone. Religion is irrelevant.

We are not discussing religion. We are discussing the two peoples seeking self-determination.

Your denial that there are not two peoples is silly.

 

[Hollie]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Just as a matter of notice, Ambassador Jerry Matjila is the rotation President of the Council for the month of October. And Ambassador Matjila is from "South Africa." South Africa ranks 113th on the Human Development Index (HDI); and Palestine ranks 119th on the HDI. In contrast, Israel ranks 22d on the HDI.

Why would anyone take the recommendation of South Africa and apply it to a country which has a very high level of human development. GET REAL!

Of all the Arab League Nations, only Oman (Ranking 48th)(GDP ≈ $80B) and Kuwait (Ranking 56th)(GDP ≈ $113B and an Oil Reserve of < 100B Barrels) hold a status of being very high in human development, and yet Israel still out-streches the both of them (GDP ≈ $360B). Of the Arab Countries, only the UAE and Saudi Arabia have a higher GDP.

Matjila: UN did not implement any of its resolutions on Palestine

South Africa’s ambassador to the UN Jerry Matjila has criticized the UN for not implementing any of its 72 resolutions which it has adopted on Palestine since 1948.

Matjila, president of the Security Council for the month of October, made his remarks to al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper about the international community’s failure to help the Palestinian people achieve their aspirations for independence and freedom.

As a representative of his country, Matjila described South Africa’s position on the Palestinian cause and its support for the Palestinian people and their legitimate rights as “well-known and unquestionable.”

Matjila: UN did not implement any of its resolutions on Palestine

(COMMENT)

I am not surprised that someone like Ambassador Matjila would make such a remark to the Palestinian expatriates News Outlet - al-Quds al-Arabi. It is a propaganda machine.

What I am surprized at is that you (P F Tinmore) would seem to support intervention by external forces.

I ask again, when did the Ramallah Government have control over the West Bank or Jerusalem?

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:

b ) a defined territory; The Ramallah Government has no control over a defined territory.
​

The big broad point is that the UN has nothing to offer to the situation. The only thing they can do is impair the most successfull country in the entire region for the sake of the most courrupt and terrorist laden country in the region. What purpose does that serve the inhabitants of the region.

Remember, the donor nations support for the UN Refugee and Works Agency (UNRWA), knowing just how strong the allegations of corruption are against the leadership's of its top officials, demonstrates that they are willing to perpetuate such behaviors on the part of the Arab Palestinians.

........View attachment 282989
Most Respectfully,
R

Holy deflection, Batman!

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:

b ) a defined territory; The Ramallah Government has no control over a defined territory.

Israel never had a defined territory. What is your point?

Israel never had a defined territory.

Has one now, eh?

I suppose P F Tinmore is just in denial about the wars fought and won by Israel in response to Arab-Moslem aggression. Israel repeatedly defended a defined territory.

Palestine has never had a military. They have never been at war with anyone.

There is no reason to expect an indefinite geographic area with no formal government and no sovereign territory to have an army.

Otherwise, your response does nothing to address the defined territory that Israel has repeatedly defended,

So, thanks for your irrelevant response.

 

[Hollie]

Customary international law supports the concept of self-determination of peoples. When tested, this concept of self-determination of peoples takes precedence over territorial integrity.

This means, regardless of who you think has sovereign territorial control over the whole, or who you think should have sovereign territorial control over the whole, each of the two peoples has has a right to self-determination over some territory. The only question is where the border(s) are going to go.

There weren't two peoples. Colonial settlers are not "a people."

Yep. I’ve debated this subject for decades and ultimately everyone who argues against Israel holds this idea that the Jewish people don’t really exist at their foundation. It’s the END point of every discussion and every argument is built upon and around this fundamental ideology. And, of course, not one of them can come up with an objective, universal definition of “people”.

Btw, you’ve just argued that Americans, among others, have no right to self-determination because they are colonial settlers. Did you really want to go with that?

everyone who argues against Israel holds this idea that the Jewish people don’t really exist at their foundation.

When have I ever mentioned Jews?

When you said there was not a second people with respect to self-determination.

Could apply to anyone. Religion is irrelevant.

False. From the perspective of the Arab-Moslem, religion, and a perceived religious entitlement, is the core issue of the conflict they create.

 

[rylah]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Just as a matter of notice, Ambassador Jerry Matjila is the rotation President of the Council for the month of October. And Ambassador Matjila is from "South Africa." South Africa ranks 113th on the Human Development Index (HDI); and Palestine ranks 119th on the HDI. In contrast, Israel ranks 22d on the HDI.

Why would anyone take the recommendation of South Africa and apply it to a country which has a very high level of human development. GET REAL!

Of all the Arab League Nations, only Oman (Ranking 48th)(GDP ≈ $80B) and Kuwait (Ranking 56th)(GDP ≈ $113B and an Oil Reserve of < 100B Barrels) hold a status of being very high in human development, and yet Israel still out-streches the both of them (GDP ≈ $360B). Of the Arab Countries, only the UAE and Saudi Arabia have a higher GDP.

Matjila: UN did not implement any of its resolutions on Palestine

South Africa’s ambassador to the UN Jerry Matjila has criticized the UN for not implementing any of its 72 resolutions which it has adopted on Palestine since 1948.

Matjila, president of the Security Council for the month of October, made his remarks to al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper about the international community’s failure to help the Palestinian people achieve their aspirations for independence and freedom.

As a representative of his country, Matjila described South Africa’s position on the Palestinian cause and its support for the Palestinian people and their legitimate rights as “well-known and unquestionable.”

Matjila: UN did not implement any of its resolutions on Palestine

(COMMENT)

I am not surprised that someone like Ambassador Matjila would make such a remark to the Palestinian expatriates News Outlet - al-Quds al-Arabi. It is a propaganda machine.

What I am surprized at is that you (P F Tinmore) would seem to support intervention by external forces.

I ask again, when did the Ramallah Government have control over the West Bank or Jerusalem?

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:

b ) a defined territory; The Ramallah Government has no control over a defined territory.
​

The big broad point is that the UN has nothing to offer to the situation. The only thing they can do is impair the most successfull country in the entire region for the sake of the most courrupt and terrorist laden country in the region. What purpose does that serve the inhabitants of the region.

Remember, the donor nations support for the UN Refugee and Works Agency (UNRWA), knowing just how strong the allegations of corruption are against the leadership's of its top officials, demonstrates that they are willing to perpetuate such behaviors on the part of the Arab Palestinians.

........View attachment 282989
Most Respectfully,
R

Holy deflection, Batman!

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:

b ) a defined territory; The Ramallah Government has no control over a defined territory.

Israel never had a defined territory. What is your point?

Israel never had a defined territory.

Has one now, eh?

I suppose P F Tinmore is just in denial about the wars fought and won by Israel in response to Arab-Moslem aggression. Israel repeatedly defended a defined territory.

Palestine has never had a military. They have never been at war with anyone.

Gaza Strip: Military parade of al-Quds Brigades,
Islamic Jihad's military wing

Sure darling, and Your Jihadi brides didn't recently organize a military parade in Gaza.
You just have a compulsion to knowingly lie about anything

 

[Hollie]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Just as a matter of notice, Ambassador Jerry Matjila is the rotation President of the Council for the month of October. And Ambassador Matjila is from "South Africa." South Africa ranks 113th on the Human Development Index (HDI); and Palestine ranks 119th on the HDI. In contrast, Israel ranks 22d on the HDI.

Why would anyone take the recommendation of South Africa and apply it to a country which has a very high level of human development. GET REAL!

Of all the Arab League Nations, only Oman (Ranking 48th)(GDP ≈ $80B) and Kuwait (Ranking 56th)(GDP ≈ $113B and an Oil Reserve of < 100B Barrels) hold a status of being very high in human development, and yet Israel still out-streches the both of them (GDP ≈ $360B). Of the Arab Countries, only the UAE and Saudi Arabia have a higher GDP.

(COMMENT)

I am not surprised that someone like Ambassador Matjila would make such a remark to the Palestinian expatriates News Outlet - al-Quds al-Arabi. It is a propaganda machine.

What I am surprized at is that you (P F Tinmore) would seem to support intervention by external forces.

I ask again, when did the Ramallah Government have control over the West Bank or Jerusalem?

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:

b ) a defined territory; The Ramallah Government has no control over a defined territory.
​

The big broad point is that the UN has nothing to offer to the situation. The only thing they can do is impair the most successfull country in the entire region for the sake of the most courrupt and terrorist laden country in the region. What purpose does that serve the inhabitants of the region.

Remember, the donor nations support for the UN Refugee and Works Agency (UNRWA), knowing just how strong the allegations of corruption are against the leadership's of its top officials, demonstrates that they are willing to perpetuate such behaviors on the part of the Arab Palestinians.

........View attachment 282989
Most Respectfully,
R

Holy deflection, Batman!

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:

b ) a defined territory; The Ramallah Government has no control over a defined territory.

Israel never had a defined territory. What is your point?

Israel never had a defined territory.

Has one now, eh?

I suppose P F Tinmore is just in denial about the wars fought and won by Israel in response to Arab-Moslem aggression. Israel repeatedly defended a defined territory.

Palestine has never had a military. They have never been at war with anyone.

Gaza Strip: Military parade of al-Quds Brigades,
Islamic Jihad's military wing

Sure darling and Your Jihadi brides didn't recently organize a military parade in Gaza
You just have compulsion to lie about anything.

I think the boy just gets confused.
hamas military wing - Google Search

Description
The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades is the military wing of the Palestinian Hamas organization. Created in mid-1991, it was at the time concerned with blocking the Oslo Accords negotiations. From 1994 to 2000, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades carried out a number of attacks against Israelis.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Just as a matter of notice, Ambassador Jerry Matjila is the rotation President of the Council for the month of October. And Ambassador Matjila is from "South Africa." South Africa ranks 113th on the Human Development Index (HDI); and Palestine ranks 119th on the HDI. In contrast, Israel ranks 22d on the HDI.

Why would anyone take the recommendation of South Africa and apply it to a country which has a very high level of human development. GET REAL!

Of all the Arab League Nations, only Oman (Ranking 48th)(GDP ≈ $80B) and Kuwait (Ranking 56th)(GDP ≈ $113B and an Oil Reserve of < 100B Barrels) hold a status of being very high in human development, and yet Israel still out-streches the both of them (GDP ≈ $360B). Of the Arab Countries, only the UAE and Saudi Arabia have a higher GDP.

Matjila: UN did not implement any of its resolutions on Palestine

South Africa’s ambassador to the UN Jerry Matjila has criticized the UN for not implementing any of its 72 resolutions which it has adopted on Palestine since 1948.

Matjila, president of the Security Council for the month of October, made his remarks to al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper about the international community’s failure to help the Palestinian people achieve their aspirations for independence and freedom.

As a representative of his country, Matjila described South Africa’s position on the Palestinian cause and its support for the Palestinian people and their legitimate rights as “well-known and unquestionable.”

Matjila: UN did not implement any of its resolutions on Palestine

(COMMENT)

I am not surprised that someone like Ambassador Matjila would make such a remark to the Palestinian expatriates News Outlet - al-Quds al-Arabi. It is a propaganda machine.

What I am surprized at is that you (P F Tinmore) would seem to support intervention by external forces.

I ask again, when did the Ramallah Government have control over the West Bank or Jerusalem?

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:

b ) a defined territory; The Ramallah Government has no control over a defined territory.
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The big broad point is that the UN has nothing to offer to the situation. The only thing they can do is impair the most successfull country in the entire region for the sake of the most courrupt and terrorist laden country in the region. What purpose does that serve the inhabitants of the region.

Remember, the donor nations support for the UN Refugee and Works Agency (UNRWA), knowing just how strong the allegations of corruption are against the leadership's of its top officials, demonstrates that they are willing to perpetuate such behaviors on the part of the Arab Palestinians.

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Most Respectfully,
R

Holy deflection, Batman!

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications:

b ) a defined territory; The Ramallah Government has no control over a defined territory.

Israel never had a defined territory. What is your point?

Israel never had a defined territory.

Has one now, eh?

I suppose P F Tinmore is just in denial about the wars fought and won by Israel in response to Arab-Moslem aggression. Israel repeatedly defended a defined territory.

Palestine has never had a military. They have never been at war with anyone.

For never being at war....they keep losing pretty good.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This is one of those Arab Palestinian bumper sticker sound bites I hate.

Palestine has never had a military. They have never been at war with anyone.

(COMMENT)

In our discussions here in this group, the term "war" ("armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups") is actually layman's terminology and has no true political meaning that is not unambiguous. War is about "armed conflict." For the purposes of Customary and International Humanitarian Law (IHL), the term "war" is not used; but instead, "Armed Conflict is used. And There are two generalized types of conflicts for IHL purposes and they are defined and distinguished as either an "international armed conflict (IAC)" or a "non-international armed conflict (NIAC)" under IHL (the branch of international law which governs armed conflicts).

◈ international armed conflicts (AIC), opposing two or more States,

◈ non-international armed conflicts (NIAC), between governmental forces and non-governmental armed groups, or between such groups only. IHL treaty law also establishes a distinction between non-international armed conflicts in the meaning of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and non-international armed conflicts falling within the definition provided in Article 1 of Additional Protocol II (supplements Article 3 common to the Geneva Conventions).​

You can think of it this way: A NIAC is described as the engagements between the "Israeli Defence Force [(IDF)(Government Forces)] and the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP)(Non-governmental Forces). The non-governmental of supporting the Ramallah (Fatah) and Gaza Governments (HAMAS) include, but are not limited to Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters.

(APPLICATION)

In this respect, the armed conflict between the IDF and the Arab League Forces was an IAC. And while there is a treaty between Israel and the respective governments of Jordan and Egypt, the AIC of 1948 lives on in the tension between Israel and the Armed Forces of Lebanon and Syria.

The engagements between the IDF and Iran's covert foreign operations (Iranian Revolutionary Guards Force - Quds Force) is an example of a NIAC when the engagement is between the IDF proper and any non-governmental forces only supported by the Quds Force. It is also proper to describe these engagements as an IAC by proxy with Iran. Thus, to a degree, the engagement between the IDF and those non-state actors supported by the Quds Force (including Lebanese Hezbollah, Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad in the Gaza Strip) may be properly described as an IAC by proxy.

Engagements between the IDF and non-governmental forces that are completely independent of covert foreign military support (example: Quds Force) are NIAC; unless the non-governmental force operates from bases outside Israeli Sovereign Territory. When a force of any kind crosses a demarcation of one territory into Israeli Territory, it is an IAC.

(BOTTOM LINE)

It only demonstrates a lack of understanding when pro-HoAP activist implies that the HoAP "has never had a military" or that the HoAP has "never been at war with anyone." Such claims are naive.

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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ Hollie, P F Tinmore, et al,

Our friend "Hollie" is correct.

False. From the perspective of the Arab-Moslem, religion, and a perceived religious entitlement, is the core issue of the conflict they create.

(COMMENT)

Only a shallow-minded approach would think that the Middle East Conflict on the Question of Palestine does not have a "religious component" to it. While much of the conflict is about wealth and power behind a political mask, no one could look at Arab Palestinian policies and events and miss the "Islamic" connotation in HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement), or today's disputes on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. What is meant by Jihad in the Arab Palestinian claim that "Nationalism, from the point of view of the Islamic Resistance Movement, is part of the religious creed" AND "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad." There is clearly a religious overtone in these pledges.

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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I cannot show you something that is not there. But you can show me the "entitlement" you claim the Arab Palestinians have.

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine.

Who says? Link?

(COMMENT)

I claim there is NO Entitlement. You claim there is an Entitlement. Prove me wrong by showing me the Entitlement that gives the Arab Palestinian the entirety of the territory formerly subject to the Mandate.


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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I cannot show you something that is not there. But you can show me the "entitlement" you claim the Arab Palestinians have.

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine.

Who says? Link?

(COMMENT)

I claim there is NO Entitlement. You claim there is an Entitlement. Prove me wrong by showing me the Entitlement that gives the Arab Palestinian the entirety of the territory formerly subject to the Mandate.


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Most Respectfully,
R

The Mandate was irrelevant to the status of Palestine. The Mandate had power, but it did not have sovereignty, territory, or borders. If the territory of Palestine was under the sovereignty of the Mandate, and Britain wanted to create a homeland for the Jews, they could have just given the territory to the Zionists and called it a day. However, it was not Britain's to give away.

The same for the UN. The UN proposed to divide Palestine. The Palestinians rejected the plan, as they had the sovereign right to do, and there was no more Resolution 181. Palestine was not the UN's to partition.

Even today, the Palestinians have the right to negotiate their territory and borders, but there is no legal requirement to do so. Palestine's territory and borders are the same as they were in 1924.

 

[rylah]

Even today, the Palestinians have the right to negotiate their territory and borders, but there is no legal requirement to do so. Palestine's territory and borders are the same as they were in 1924.

What You call their "right to negotiate territory" solely comes from the generous decision of the sole sovereign over the entire land, as defined by international law - the Jewish Nation of Israel.

What will they negotiate and what legal legitimacy will they have, when Israel's next young generation scrap their recognition of the Arab squatters and reverse to full sovereignty over the entire land?
Mecca?

They're on borrowed time.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Even today, the Palestinians have the right to negotiate their territory and borders, but there is no legal requirement to do so. Palestine's territory and borders are the same as they were in 1924.

What You call their "right to negotiate territory" solely comes from the sovereign decision of the Jewish Nation of Israel.

What will they negotiate and what legal legitimacy will they have, when Israel's next young generation scrap their recognition of the Arab squatters, and reverse to full sovereignty over the entire land?
Mecca?

They're on borrowed time.

They're on borrowed time.

Interesting opinion.

 

[Mindful]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I cannot show you something that is not there. But you can show me the "entitlement" you claim the Arab Palestinians have.

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine.

Who says? Link?

(COMMENT)

I claim there is NO Entitlement. You claim there is an Entitlement. Prove me wrong by showing me the Entitlement that gives the Arab Palestinian the entirety of the territory formerly subject to the Mandate.


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Most Respectfully,
R

The Mandate was irrelevant to the status of Palestine. The Mandate had power, but it did not have sovereignty, territory, or borders. If the territory of Palestine was under the sovereignty of the Mandate, and Britain wanted to create a homeland for the Jews, they could have just given the territory to the Zionists and called it a day. However, it was not Britain's to give away.

The same for the UN. The UN proposed to divide Palestine. The Palestinians rejected the plan, as they had the sovereign right to do, and there was no more Resolution 181. Palestine was not the UN's to partition.

Even today, the Palestinians have the right to negotiate their territory and borders, but there is no legal requirement to do so. Palestine's territory and borders are the same as they were in 1924.

Wiki says:


The border segment between Jordan and the West Bank was left undefined pending a definitive agreement on the status of the territory. The southern limit of the Gaza Strip is the border with Egypt. Egypt renounced all claims to land north of the international border, including the Gaza Strip.