All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al

Yeah, I wonder what you are defining as "name calling?"

Not unlike all of the one side reports from Israeli sources that are regularly linked on this board.

At least you don't get all of the name calling that you get from the Israeli sites.

(COMMENT)

It would be very hard to define and describe the Arab Palestinians in any and not say:

Arab Palestinians like to think of themselves as victims. They most certainly are not. There is No (absolutely none) excuse for the commission of Criminal Acts directed against Israel with the intention of → or calculated to → cause death or serious bodily injury to the civilian population, or to any other person not taking an active part in the hostilities. Nor is there any justification for such acts → the purpose of such act, by its nature or context, being to intimidate a population or attempt to compel the Israeli government to do (or to abstain from doing) some act that furthers the criminal objective. To commit these actions is to commit direct violations of Customary and International Humanitarian Law, as well as on or more of the 19 international legal instruments to prevent terrorist acts.

Nor are the actions of the Arab Palestinian, and the long past pattern of Criminal Behaviors in keeping with the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. Nor is the partial or total disruption of territorial integrity in keeping with the purposes and principles of the Charter.

To describe the Arab Palestinians in these terms is neither fallacious or an inappropriate argumentative strategy, or an ad hominem fallacy. No matter what a General Assembly non-binding Resolution might say or suggest, in your mind, they do not override the Hague Regulation, the Geneva Conventions, the Additional Protocols, or International Treaties and Conventions that have been enacted.

◈ Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.

◈ There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.

◈ Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

◈ The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and everything that has been based upon them, are deemed null and void.

◈ "Palestine is Islamic, and not an Islamic emirate, from the river to the sea, that unites the Palestinians. Jews have no right in it, with the exception of those who lived on the land of Palestine before World War I."

◈ "This is the time for the third uprising... Resistance will continue through suicide missions."​

◈ We have come here to say that the weapons of the resistance that you see here will remain, Allah willing, so that we can liberate Palestine – all of Palestine – from the Sea to the River, whether they like it or not."​

I think you should consider what you have read with the following law. One more point that I would like to render.

Article 20 Has been in force since before the PLO Declared Independence.

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.

2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

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Most Respectfully,
R​

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al

Yeah, I wonder what you are defining as "name calling?"

Not unlike all of the one side reports from Israeli sources that are regularly linked on this board.

At least you don't get all of the name calling that you get from the Israeli sites.

(COMMENT)

It would be very hard to define and describe the Arab Palestinians in any and not say:

Arab Palestinians like to think of themselves as victims. They most certainly are not. There is No (absolutely none) excuse for the commission of Criminal Acts directed against Israel with the intention of → or calculated to → cause death or serious bodily injury to the civilian population, or to any other person not taking an active part in the hostilities. Nor is there any justification for such acts → the purpose of such act, by its nature or context, being to intimidate a population or attempt to compel the Israeli government to do (or to abstain from doing) some act that furthers the criminal objective. To commit these actions is to commit direct violations of Customary and International Humanitarian Law, as well as on or more of the 19 international legal instruments to prevent terrorist acts.

Nor are the actions of the Arab Palestinian, and the long past pattern of Criminal Behaviors in keeping with the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. Nor is the partial or total disruption of territorial integrity in keeping with the purposes and principles of the Charter.

To describe the Arab Palestinians in these terms is neither fallacious or an inappropriate argumentative strategy, or an ad hominem fallacy. No matter what a General Assembly non-binding Resolution might say or suggest, in your mind, they do not override the Hague Regulation, the Geneva Conventions, the Additional Protocols, or International Treaties and Conventions that have been enacted.

◈ Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.

◈ There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.

◈ Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

◈ The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and everything that has been based upon them, are deemed null and void.

◈ "Palestine is Islamic, and not an Islamic emirate, from the river to the sea, that unites the Palestinians. Jews have no right in it, with the exception of those who lived on the land of Palestine before World War I."

◈ "This is the time for the third uprising... Resistance will continue through suicide missions."​

◈ We have come here to say that the weapons of the resistance that you see here will remain, Allah willing, so that we can liberate Palestine – all of Palestine – from the Sea to the River, whether they like it or not."​

I think you should consider what you have read with the following law. One more point that I would like to render.

Article 20 Has been in force since before the PLO Declared Independence.

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.

2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

​

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Most Respectfully,
R​

You have a very simplistic and Zionist view of the situation in Palestine. Everything you say is premised on the racist opinion that the Palestinians have no rights

2019 Edward Said Memorial Lecture with Dr. Ussama S. Makdisi

 

[rylah]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al

Yeah, I wonder what you are defining as "name calling?"

Not unlike all of the one side reports from Israeli sources that are regularly linked on this board.

At least you don't get all of the name calling that you get from the Israeli sites.

(COMMENT)

It would be very hard to define and describe the Arab Palestinians in any and not say:

Arab Palestinians like to think of themselves as victims. They most certainly are not. There is No (absolutely none) excuse for the commission of Criminal Acts directed against Israel with the intention of → or calculated to → cause death or serious bodily injury to the civilian population, or to any other person not taking an active part in the hostilities. Nor is there any justification for such acts → the purpose of such act, by its nature or context, being to intimidate a population or attempt to compel the Israeli government to do (or to abstain from doing) some act that furthers the criminal objective. To commit these actions is to commit direct violations of Customary and International Humanitarian Law, as well as on or more of the 19 international legal instruments to prevent terrorist acts.

Nor are the actions of the Arab Palestinian, and the long past pattern of Criminal Behaviors in keeping with the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. Nor is the partial or total disruption of territorial integrity in keeping with the purposes and principles of the Charter.

To describe the Arab Palestinians in these terms is neither fallacious or an inappropriate argumentative strategy, or an ad hominem fallacy. No matter what a General Assembly non-binding Resolution might say or suggest, in your mind, they do not override the Hague Regulation, the Geneva Conventions, the Additional Protocols, or International Treaties and Conventions that have been enacted.

◈ Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.

◈ There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.

◈ Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

◈ The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and everything that has been based upon them, are deemed null and void.

◈ "Palestine is Islamic, and not an Islamic emirate, from the river to the sea, that unites the Palestinians. Jews have no right in it, with the exception of those who lived on the land of Palestine before World War I."

◈ "This is the time for the third uprising... Resistance will continue through suicide missions."​

◈ We have come here to say that the weapons of the resistance that you see here will remain, Allah willing, so that we can liberate Palestine – all of Palestine – from the Sea to the River, whether they like it or not."​

I think you should consider what you have read with the following law. One more point that I would like to render.

Article 20 Has been in force since before the PLO Declared Independence.

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.

2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

​

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Most Respectfully,
R​

You have a very simplistic and Zionist view of the situation in Palestine. Everything you say is premised on the racist opinion that the Palestinians have no rights

2019 Edward Said Memorial Lecture with Dr. Ussama S. Makdisi

Let me guess, You think resorting to hours of mindless propaganda videos, without actually addressing anything in the detailed answer given by Roccor, is not a "simplistic view of the situation"?

Or that denying the Jewish minority their right to self determination, while inciting to their murder is not racism?

 

[Indeependent]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al

Yeah, I wonder what you are defining as "name calling?"

Not unlike all of the one side reports from Israeli sources that are regularly linked on this board.

At least you don't get all of the name calling that you get from the Israeli sites.

(COMMENT)

It would be very hard to define and describe the Arab Palestinians in any and not say:

Arab Palestinians like to think of themselves as victims. They most certainly are not. There is No (absolutely none) excuse for the commission of Criminal Acts directed against Israel with the intention of → or calculated to → cause death or serious bodily injury to the civilian population, or to any other person not taking an active part in the hostilities. Nor is there any justification for such acts → the purpose of such act, by its nature or context, being to intimidate a population or attempt to compel the Israeli government to do (or to abstain from doing) some act that furthers the criminal objective. To commit these actions is to commit direct violations of Customary and International Humanitarian Law, as well as on or more of the 19 international legal instruments to prevent terrorist acts.

Nor are the actions of the Arab Palestinian, and the long past pattern of Criminal Behaviors in keeping with the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. Nor is the partial or total disruption of territorial integrity in keeping with the purposes and principles of the Charter.

To describe the Arab Palestinians in these terms is neither fallacious or an inappropriate argumentative strategy, or an ad hominem fallacy. No matter what a General Assembly non-binding Resolution might say or suggest, in your mind, they do not override the Hague Regulation, the Geneva Conventions, the Additional Protocols, or International Treaties and Conventions that have been enacted.

◈ Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.

◈ There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.

◈ Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

◈ The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and everything that has been based upon them, are deemed null and void.

◈ "Palestine is Islamic, and not an Islamic emirate, from the river to the sea, that unites the Palestinians. Jews have no right in it, with the exception of those who lived on the land of Palestine before World War I."

◈ "This is the time for the third uprising... Resistance will continue through suicide missions."​

◈ We have come here to say that the weapons of the resistance that you see here will remain, Allah willing, so that we can liberate Palestine – all of Palestine – from the Sea to the River, whether they like it or not."​

I think you should consider what you have read with the following law. One more point that I would like to render.

Article 20 Has been in force since before the PLO Declared Independence.

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.

2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
​

​

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Most Respectfully,
R​

You have a very simplistic and Zionist view of the situation in Palestine. Everything you say is premised on the racist opinion that the Palestinians have no rights

2019 Edward Said Memorial Lecture with Dr. Ussama S. Makdisi

Go to Quora and get your lying ass handed to you by Arabs who live in Israel.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al

This is nonsense. I neither said or implied such.

You have a very simplistic and Zionist view of the situation in Palestine. Everything you say is premised on the racist opinion that the Palestinians have no rights

(COMMENT)

The Civilization, including the Arab Palestinians, have a number of rights. The majority of those rights are stipulated here:

◈ International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR)

Entry into Force 23 March 1976​

◈ International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR)

Entry into Force 3 January 1976​

◈ International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD)

Entry into Force 4 January 1969​

◈ Convention relating to the Status of Refugees (CRSR)

Entry into Force 22 April 1954​

◈ International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombing (ICSTB)

Entry into Force 23 May 2001​

This shortlist is not all-inclusive, but is a compilation of many of the "rights.". Each one is currently in force as International Law. The Customary and International Humanitarian Law includes:

◈ Customary IHL - RULES •
◈ Geneva Convention I •
◈ Geneva Convention II •
◈ Geneva Convention III •
◈ Geneva Convention IV •
◈ Additional Protocol i to GCIV •
◈ Additional Protocol II GCIV •
◈ Additional Protocol III •​

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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al

This is nonsense. I neither said or implied such.

You have a very simplistic and Zionist view of the situation in Palestine. Everything you say is premised on the racist opinion that the Palestinians have no rights

(COMMENT)

The Civilization, including the Arab Palestinians, have a number of rights. The majority of those rights are stipulated here:

◈ International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR)

Entry into Force 23 March 1976​

◈ International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR)

Entry into Force 3 January 1976​

◈ International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD)

Entry into Force 4 January 1969​

◈ Convention relating to the Status of Refugees (CRSR)

Entry into Force 22 April 1954​

◈ International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombing (ICSTB)

Entry into Force 23 May 2001​

This shortlist is not all-inclusive, but is a compilation of many of the "rights.". Each one is currently in force as International Law. The Customary and International Humanitarian Law includes:

◈ Customary IHL - RULES •
◈ Geneva Convention I •
◈ Geneva Convention II •
◈ Geneva Convention III •
◈ Geneva Convention IV •
◈ Additional Protocol i to GCIV •
◈ Additional Protocol II GCIV •
◈ Additional Protocol III •​

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Most Respectfully,
R

◈ International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR)
Entry into Force 23 March 1976

I agree with this, however, we disagree on the applicability.

You believe that the foreign colonial powers have all of the rights while the attacked, expelled, and killed native civilian population have none.

Where do you get this opinion?

 

[Hollie]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al

This is nonsense. I neither said or implied such.

You have a very simplistic and Zionist view of the situation in Palestine. Everything you say is premised on the racist opinion that the Palestinians have no rights

(COMMENT)

The Civilization, including the Arab Palestinians, have a number of rights. The majority of those rights are stipulated here:

◈ International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR)

Entry into Force 23 March 1976​

◈ International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR)

Entry into Force 3 January 1976​

◈ International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD)

Entry into Force 4 January 1969​

◈ Convention relating to the Status of Refugees (CRSR)

Entry into Force 22 April 1954​

◈ International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombing (ICSTB)

Entry into Force 23 May 2001​

This shortlist is not all-inclusive, but is a compilation of many of the "rights.". Each one is currently in force as International Law. The Customary and International Humanitarian Law includes:

◈ Customary IHL - RULES •
◈ Geneva Convention I •
◈ Geneva Convention II •
◈ Geneva Convention III •
◈ Geneva Convention IV •
◈ Additional Protocol i to GCIV •
◈ Additional Protocol II GCIV •
◈ Additional Protocol III •​

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Most Respectfully,
R

◈ International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR)
Entry into Force 23 March 1976

I agree with this, however, we disagree on the applicability.

You believe that the foreign colonial powers have all of the rights while the attacked, expelled, and killed native civilian population have none.

Where do you get this opinion?

Sorry. The Turkish caliphate collapsed under the dead weight of its own failures just like the Arab caliphates.

The former dhimmis now surpass you in every measurable social, economic and political yardstick.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ are Tinmore, et al,

The applicability and enforcement of International Laws are only limited by the law itself. The Arab Palestinians have no exclusive rights to any given situation, to the exclusion of any other culture. And the Arab Palestinians are NOT the raison d’être for the development of Customary and International Humanitarian Law and continued existence. You should consider the previous list of examples of laws as erga omnes.

I agree with this, however, we disagree on the applicability.

You believe that the foreign colonial powers have all of the rights while the attacked, expelled, and killed native civilian population have none.

Where do you get this opinion?

(COMMENT #1)

In terms of the Middle East, there are no non-self-governing institutions (although Syria and the Palestinians are peoples are examples of governments in chaos). There is NO territory that is under the sovereignty of a foreign state (‘parent state’) and as such, is a territory that only appears to be self-governing. In short, there is no colonial power exercising its sovereignty relative to the Question of Palestine.

There are only four or five countries that are considered by the UN as holding non-self-governing territories.

Clearly, the statement "colonial powers have all of the rights while the attacked, expelled, and killed native civilian population" is a total misrepresentation of my commentary.

(COMMENT #2)

Real questions must address real situations and not hypotheticals stirring towards an invalid response (as the quotation from P F Tinmore makes). And the real question goes back to • Posting #1721 • where we explore just where the Arab Palestinians finds justification for their real-world activities, policies, and practices within the International Laws and their hostilities in Foreign Relations and Cooperation with Israel. Most every action of consequence the Arab Palestinian take violates one or more of the 19 international legal instruments to prevent terrorist acts.

Additionally, there is the Question of Palestine pertaining to the time that the Hashemite Kingdom abandon the West Bank and Jerusalem into the hands of the already present Israel control. The Hashemite Kingdom cut all ties with the West Bank and Jerusalem. Terra nullius is vacant land that belongs to no state. Or more specific: Terra nullius is an example of abandon Hashemite Kingdom land that was not inherited to any state and left in the hands of the Israelis.

QUESTION: Using International Law → WHAT do the Arab Palestinian use to justify the claim that the West Bank and Jerusalem are occupied territory when the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan implemented the "Disengagement from the West Bank;" and severed all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank.

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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ are Tinmore, et al,

The applicability and enforcement of International Laws are only limited by the law itself. The Arab Palestinians have no exclusive rights to any given situation, to the exclusion of any other culture. And the Arab Palestinians are NOT the raison d’être for the development of Customary and International Humanitarian Law and continued existence. You should consider the previous list of examples of laws as erga omnes.

I agree with this, however, we disagree on the applicability.

You believe that the foreign colonial powers have all of the rights while the attacked, expelled, and killed native civilian population have none.

Where do you get this opinion?

(COMMENT #1)

In terms of the Middle East, there are no non-self-governing institutions (although Syria and the Palestinians are peoples are examples of governments in chaos). There is NO territory that is under the sovereignty of a foreign state (‘parent state’) and as such, is a territory that only appears to be self-governing. In short, there is no colonial power exercising its sovereignty relative to the Question of Palestine.

There are only four or five countries that are considered by the UN as holding non-self-governing territories.

Clearly, the statement "colonial powers have all of the rights while the attacked, expelled, and killed native civilian population" is a total misrepresentation of my commentary.

(COMMENT #2)

Real questions must address real situations and not hypotheticals stirring towards an invalid response (as the quotation from P F Tinmore makes). And the real question goes back to • Posting #1721 • where we explore just where the Arab Palestinians finds justification for their real-world activities, policies, and practices within the International Laws and their hostilities in Foreign Relations and Cooperation with Israel. Most every action of consequence the Arab Palestinian take violates one or more of the 19 international legal instruments to prevent terrorist acts.

Additionally, there is the Question of Palestine pertaining to the time that the Hashemite Kingdom abandon the West Bank and Jerusalem into the hands of the already present Israel control. The Hashemite Kingdom cut all ties with the West Bank and Jerusalem. Terra nullius is vacant land that belongs to no state. Or more specific: Terra nullius is an example of abandon Hashemite Kingdom land that was not inherited to any state and left in the hands of the Israelis.

QUESTION: Using International Law → WHAT do the Arab Palestinian use to justify the claim that the West Bank and Jerusalem are occupied territory when the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan implemented the "Disengagement from the West Bank;" and severed all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank.

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Most Respectfully,
R

Real questions must address real situations and not hypotheticals stirring towards an invalid response (as the quotation from P F Tinmore makes). And the real question goes back to • Posting #1721 • where we explore just where the Arab Palestinians finds justification for their real-world activities, policies, and practices within the International Laws and their hostilities in Foreign Relations and Cooperation with Israel. Most every action of consequence the Arab Palestinian take violates one or more of the 19 international legal instruments to prevent terrorist acts.

Here again you are bouncing back to the premise that the Palestinians have no rights. They have no right to their homeland or personal property. They have no right to defend their homeland and property. Any attempt by the Palestinians to defend themselves in their own territory is called terrorism.

You seem to be reading out of Israel's propaganda handbook.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ are Tinmore, et al,

Nonsense!

Real questions must address real situations and not hypotheticals stirring towards an invalid response (as the quotation from P F Tinmore makes). And the real question goes back to • Posting #1721 • where we explore just where the Arab Palestinians find justification for their real-world activities, policies, and practices within the International Laws and their hostilities in Foreign Relations and Cooperation with Israel. Most every action of consequence the Arab Palestinian take violates one or more of the 19 international legal instruments to prevent terrorist acts.

Here again, you are bouncing back to the premise that the Palestinians have no rights. They have no right to their homeland or personal property. They have no right to defend their homeland and property. Any attempt by the Palestinians to defend themselves in their own territory is called terrorism.

You seem to be reading out of Israel's propaganda handbook.

(COMMENT)

And again, I did not say that the "Palestinians have no rights." I just gave you a compilation of over 50 Political, Economic, Social, and Civil Rights; and more 100 Humanitarian Rights that are applicable to both the Israelis and the Arab Palestinian. And I cited the restrictions applicable to both the Israelis and the Arab Palestinian.

If you have a copy of that "propaganda handbook" → I would appreciate it.

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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ are Tinmore, et al,

Nonsense!

Real questions must address real situations and not hypotheticals stirring towards an invalid response (as the quotation from P F Tinmore makes). And the real question goes back to • Posting #1721 • where we explore just where the Arab Palestinians find justification for their real-world activities, policies, and practices within the International Laws and their hostilities in Foreign Relations and Cooperation with Israel. Most every action of consequence the Arab Palestinian take violates one or more of the 19 international legal instruments to prevent terrorist acts.

Here again, you are bouncing back to the premise that the Palestinians have no rights. They have no right to their homeland or personal property. They have no right to defend their homeland and property. Any attempt by the Palestinians to defend themselves in their own territory is called terrorism.

You seem to be reading out of Israel's propaganda handbook.

(COMMENT)

And again, I did not say that the "Palestinians have no rights." I just gave you a compilation of over 50 Political, Economic, Social, and Civil Rights; and more 100 Humanitarian Rights that are applicable to both the Israelis and the Arab Palestinian. And I cited the restrictions applicable to both the Israelis and the Arab Palestinian.

If you have a copy of that "propaganda handbook" → I would appreciate it.

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Most Respectfully,
R

Balderdash!

Where are you on the Palestinian's right to return to their homes and properties including the internally displaced Palestinian citizens of Israel who have had their lands stolen from them?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ are Tinmore, et al,

I cannot give you something that does not exist.

Where are you on the Palestinian's right to return to their homes and properties including the internally displaced Palestinian citizens of Israel who have had their lands stolen from them?

(REFERENCE)

The pro-Arab Palestinian group (see) "http://itisapartheid.org/" in their fact sheet attributes your complaint to:

Article 2

The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.

(4) All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.​

(COMMENT)

I would like to make two observations on your complaint and on the "It is Apartheid:"

◈ A/RES/25/2625 - Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States (1970) IS NOT "law."

◈ In 1947 and early 1948, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) "DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM."

◈ The use of the UN criteria of the "threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state," IS NOT applicable since the AHC (Arab Palestinians) neighter had a designated territory (the recommendation being rejected) or "political independence."

◈ The UN Charter prohibits an outside influence that: "intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction."​

So I ask again, what right is being violated.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ are Tinmore, et al,

I cannot give you something that does not exist.

Where are you on the Palestinian's right to return to their homes and properties including the internally displaced Palestinian citizens of Israel who have had their lands stolen from them?

(REFERENCE)

The pro-Arab Palestinian group (see) "http://itisapartheid.org/" in their fact sheet attributes your complaint to:

View attachment 283167

Article 2​

The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.

​

(4) All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.​

(COMMENT)

I would like to make two observations on your complaint and on the "It is Apartheid:"

◈ A/RES/25/2625 - Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States (1970) IS NOT "law."

◈ In 1947 and early 1948, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) "DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM."

◈ The use of the UN criteria of the "threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state," IS NOT applicable since the AHC (Arab Palestinians) neighter had a designated territory (the recommendation being rejected) or "political independence."

◈ The UN Charter prohibits an outside influence that: "intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction."​

So I ask again, what right is being violated.

Most Respectfully,
R

◈ In 1947 and early 1948, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) "DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM."

That means that Palestine remained undivided.

Nothing else about resolution 181 matters.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I don't know what you mean by this.

That means that Palestine remained undivided.

Nothing else about resolution 181 matters.

(FACTS)

The UN action was taken pursuant to the Charter.

The Arab Palestinians absolutely refused to cooperate; just as they have done so many times before.

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine. The territory that the Trustee Program, through the recommendation of the UN Special Committee for Palestine, was outlined in the approved recommendations outlined in A/RES/181 (II). The Arab Palestinians were not satisfied with that.

The Arab League, opposing the establishment of a Jewish State, attempted to illegally intervene (unsuccessfully). A series of poor decisions on the part of the Arab League, the adjacent Arab States and the various criminal and militant factions within the Arab Palestinian Community has lead the Arab Palestinians to the unhappy conditions and environment we have today.

(COMMENT)

Whether or not the Arab Palestinians accept the decisions of decades past, and whether or not the actions taken that have developed into the situation now in the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, are what they are. Israel (the Jerusalem Government) has an absolute and uncompromising fiduciary responsibility to the citizens of the State of Israel, as well as the Jewish people world-wide in the Aliyah process; now and into the future. There is no reason to believe that the Israelis are going to make any sacrifice in any negotiated effort with the Arab Palestinians that would endanger the Jewish population.

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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I don't know what you mean by this.

That means that Palestine remained undivided.

Nothing else about resolution 181 matters.

(FACTS)

The UN action was taken pursuant to the Charter.

The Arab Palestinians absolutely refused to cooperate; just as they have done so many times before.

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine. The territory that the Trustee Program, through the recommendation of the UN Special Committee for Palestine, was outlined in the approved recommendations outlined in A/RES/181 (II). The Arab Palestinians were not satisfied with that.

The Arab League, opposing the establishment of a Jewish State, attempted to illegally intervene (unsuccessfully). A series of poor decisions on the part of the Arab League, the adjacent Arab States and the various criminal and militant factions within the Arab Palestinian Community has lead the Arab Palestinians to the unhappy conditions and environment we have today.

(COMMENT)

Whether or not the Arab Palestinians accept the decisions of decades past, and whether or not the actions taken that have developed into the situation now in the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, are what they are. Israel (the Jerusalem Government) has an absolute and uncompromising fiduciary responsibility to the citizens of the State of Israel, as well as the Jewish people world-wide in the Aliyah process; now and into the future. There is no reason to believe that the Israelis are going to make any sacrifice in any negotiated effort with the Arab Palestinians that would endanger the Jewish population.

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Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine.

Who says? Link?

 

[rylah]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ are Tinmore, et al,

I cannot give you something that does not exist.

Where are you on the Palestinian's right to return to their homes and properties including the internally displaced Palestinian citizens of Israel who have had their lands stolen from them?

(REFERENCE)

The pro-Arab Palestinian group (see) "http://itisapartheid.org/" in their fact sheet attributes your complaint to:

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Article 2​

The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.

​

(4) All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.​

(COMMENT)

I would like to make two observations on your complaint and on the "It is Apartheid:"

◈ A/RES/25/2625 - Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States (1970) IS NOT "law."

◈ In 1947 and early 1948, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) "DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM."

◈ The use of the UN criteria of the "threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state," IS NOT applicable since the AHC (Arab Palestinians) neighter had a designated territory (the recommendation being rejected) or "political independence."

◈ The UN Charter prohibits an outside influence that: "intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction."​

So I ask again, what right is being violated.

Most Respectfully,
R

◈ In 1947 and early 1948, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) "DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM."

That means that Palestine remained undivided.

Nothing else about resolution 181 matters.

Because only if Jews get a slice it's called 'division',
but when the Arabs take most of it, the cake magically stays full ...

 

[Shusha]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I don't know what you mean by this.

That means that Palestine remained undivided.

Nothing else about resolution 181 matters.

(FACTS)

The UN action was taken pursuant to the Charter.

The Arab Palestinians absolutely refused to cooperate; just as they have done so many times before.

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine. The territory that the Trustee Program, through the recommendation of the UN Special Committee for Palestine, was outlined in the approved recommendations outlined in A/RES/181 (II). The Arab Palestinians were not satisfied with that.

The Arab League, opposing the establishment of a Jewish State, attempted to illegally intervene (unsuccessfully). A series of poor decisions on the part of the Arab League, the adjacent Arab States and the various criminal and militant factions within the Arab Palestinian Community has lead the Arab Palestinians to the unhappy conditions and environment we have today.

(COMMENT)

Whether or not the Arab Palestinians accept the decisions of decades past, and whether or not the actions taken that have developed into the situation now in the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, are what they are. Israel (the Jerusalem Government) has an absolute and uncompromising fiduciary responsibility to the citizens of the State of Israel, as well as the Jewish people world-wide in the Aliyah process; now and into the future. There is no reason to believe that the Israelis are going to make any sacrifice in any negotiated effort with the Arab Palestinians that would endanger the Jewish population.

........View attachment 283195
Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine.

Who says? Link?

Customary international law supports the concept of self-determination of peoples. When tested, this concept of self-determination of peoples takes precedence over territorial integrity.

This means, regardless of who you think has sovereign territorial control over the whole, or who you think should have sovereign territorial control over the whole, each of the two peoples has has a right to self-determination over some territory. The only question is where the border(s) are going to go.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I don't know what you mean by this.

That means that Palestine remained undivided.

Nothing else about resolution 181 matters.

(FACTS)

The UN action was taken pursuant to the Charter.

The Arab Palestinians absolutely refused to cooperate; just as they have done so many times before.

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine. The territory that the Trustee Program, through the recommendation of the UN Special Committee for Palestine, was outlined in the approved recommendations outlined in A/RES/181 (II). The Arab Palestinians were not satisfied with that.

The Arab League, opposing the establishment of a Jewish State, attempted to illegally intervene (unsuccessfully). A series of poor decisions on the part of the Arab League, the adjacent Arab States and the various criminal and militant factions within the Arab Palestinian Community has lead the Arab Palestinians to the unhappy conditions and environment we have today.

(COMMENT)

Whether or not the Arab Palestinians accept the decisions of decades past, and whether or not the actions taken that have developed into the situation now in the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, are what they are. Israel (the Jerusalem Government) has an absolute and uncompromising fiduciary responsibility to the citizens of the State of Israel, as well as the Jewish people world-wide in the Aliyah process; now and into the future. There is no reason to believe that the Israelis are going to make any sacrifice in any negotiated effort with the Arab Palestinians that would endanger the Jewish population.

........View attachment 283195
Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine.

Who says? Link?

Customary international law supports the concept of self-determination of peoples. When tested, this concept of self-determination of peoples takes precedence over territorial integrity.

This means, regardless of who you think has sovereign territorial control over the whole, or who you think should have sovereign territorial control over the whole, each of the two peoples has has a right to self-determination over some territory. The only question is where the border(s) are going to go.

There weren't two peoples. Colonial settlers are not "a people."

 

[Shusha]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I don't know what you mean by this.

That means that Palestine remained undivided.

Nothing else about resolution 181 matters.

(FACTS)

The UN action was taken pursuant to the Charter.

The Arab Palestinians absolutely refused to cooperate; just as they have done so many times before.

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine. The territory that the Trustee Program, through the recommendation of the UN Special Committee for Palestine, was outlined in the approved recommendations outlined in A/RES/181 (II). The Arab Palestinians were not satisfied with that.

The Arab League, opposing the establishment of a Jewish State, attempted to illegally intervene (unsuccessfully). A series of poor decisions on the part of the Arab League, the adjacent Arab States and the various criminal and militant factions within the Arab Palestinian Community has lead the Arab Palestinians to the unhappy conditions and environment we have today.

(COMMENT)

Whether or not the Arab Palestinians accept the decisions of decades past, and whether or not the actions taken that have developed into the situation now in the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, are what they are. Israel (the Jerusalem Government) has an absolute and uncompromising fiduciary responsibility to the citizens of the State of Israel, as well as the Jewish people world-wide in the Aliyah process; now and into the future. There is no reason to believe that the Israelis are going to make any sacrifice in any negotiated effort with the Arab Palestinians that would endanger the Jewish population.

........View attachment 283195
Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine.

Who says? Link?

Customary international law supports the concept of self-determination of peoples. When tested, this concept of self-determination of peoples takes precedence over territorial integrity.

This means, regardless of who you think has sovereign territorial control over the whole, or who you think should have sovereign territorial control over the whole, each of the two peoples has has a right to self-determination over some territory. The only question is where the border(s) are going to go.

There weren't two peoples. Colonial settlers are not "a people."

Yep. I’ve debated this subject for decades and ultimately everyone who argues against Israel holds this idea that the Jewish people don’t really exist at their foundation. It’s the END point of every discussion and every argument is built upon and around this fundamental ideology. And, of course, not one of them can come up with an objective, universal definition of “people”.

Btw, you’ve just argued that Americans, among others, have no right to self-determination because they are colonial settlers. Did you really want to go with that?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I don't know what you mean by this.

That means that Palestine remained undivided.

Nothing else about resolution 181 matters.

(FACTS)

The UN action was taken pursuant to the Charter.

The Arab Palestinians absolutely refused to cooperate; just as they have done so many times before.

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine. The territory that the Trustee Program, through the recommendation of the UN Special Committee for Palestine, was outlined in the approved recommendations outlined in A/RES/181 (II). The Arab Palestinians were not satisfied with that.

The Arab League, opposing the establishment of a Jewish State, attempted to illegally intervene (unsuccessfully). A series of poor decisions on the part of the Arab League, the adjacent Arab States and the various criminal and militant factions within the Arab Palestinian Community has lead the Arab Palestinians to the unhappy conditions and environment we have today.

(COMMENT)

Whether or not the Arab Palestinians accept the decisions of decades past, and whether or not the actions taken that have developed into the situation now in the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, are what they are. Israel (the Jerusalem Government) has an absolute and uncompromising fiduciary responsibility to the citizens of the State of Israel, as well as the Jewish people world-wide in the Aliyah process; now and into the future. There is no reason to believe that the Israelis are going to make any sacrifice in any negotiated effort with the Arab Palestinians that would endanger the Jewish population.

........View attachment 283195
Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians were not entitled to the entirety of the Territory administered under the Mandate for Palestine.

Who says? Link?

Customary international law supports the concept of self-determination of peoples. When tested, this concept of self-determination of peoples takes precedence over territorial integrity.

This means, regardless of who you think has sovereign territorial control over the whole, or who you think should have sovereign territorial control over the whole, each of the two peoples has has a right to self-determination over some territory. The only question is where the border(s) are going to go.

There weren't two peoples. Colonial settlers are not "a people."

Yep. I’ve debated this subject for decades and ultimately everyone who argues against Israel holds this idea that the Jewish people don’t really exist at their foundation. It’s the END point of every discussion and every argument is built upon and around this fundamental ideology. And, of course, not one of them can come up with an objective, universal definition of “people”.

Btw, you’ve just argued that Americans, among others, have no right to self-determination because they are colonial settlers. Did you really want to go with that?

And if he really wants to go with that, then to be intellectually honest with himself, he should pack up and move to Scandinavia immediately. Otherwise he's a hypocrite. Besides, my uncles and grandparents were forced out of Europe after the Holocaust, and they were denied visas to America.